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Gundam seed, the message that every conflict can be fixed by not being scared simply doesn't work, especially when both sides have a very good reason to be afraid
That being said it might just be how horribly they tried to ignore real questions the story raises in order to get to the message they want and their insistence that fear of genetic engineering and superhumans is the same as racism (and yes I know they attempt to say that there are things that only naturals can do... They never show it) instead of having an actual interesting and compelling discussion about the topic
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@MelodyOfMemory that's sounds fucked up you might've made just made me very interested in that show lol
@BigMac7 Same, it didn't look interesting from afar, and people really hated the ending too, but I might consider watching it for spoiler reasons.

Edit: Never mind, I can't watch this show.
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Usagi Drop because it says getting with and banging your adopted child is okay.
@aweebwhoexists I happen to be on chapter 7 of that manga right now.
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SuperAdventure said:
No I don't agree this at all. WTF do you mean "relativity" you say that 4 times and your entire take hinges on that word and I've never seen anyone comment on an anime by saying that.


Yeah, no shit nobody is saying that because no Japanese salaryman Senko-san was made for lurks these forums to share their opinions. But let me tell you, if they did you would realize what I meant when I said "relatability" (that's what I was trying to say, read my comment correctly, please) and why I put so much emphasis on that word.

The fact you can't see something doesn't necessarly mean it doesn't exist, you should know that by this point.

SuperAdventure said:
I think you misread my comment- I explained what my issue with it was.
Senko has a passive role. But could have used her influence to point him in the right direction.


But then the show would have lost its purpose as a simple, relatable piece of media overworked salaryman can watch and feel comforted by seeign a main character that's SIMILAR to them in situations they would like to be in. And, as I stated before, many of these salaryman can't get out of their jobs for a variety of reasons, and as such, making Senko pull Nakano out of his work would make him less similar and as such relatable to the core audience of the show.

I repeat one more time, in case I didn't make myself clear: Senko-san is an anime created to comfort a certain audience by showing difficult situations they can't relate to and them beign (the situations) beign aliviated. Many of them can't get out of those situations IRL so making the show do so would make it less relatable and betray the core principle it was created for. That's why it is a bad idea to so.

I am sorry if I didn't make myself clear on my previous comment, but I think you are the one who misread my text, man...
The_Blue_Lotus said:
But then the show would have lost its purpose as a simple, relatable piece of media overworked salaryman can watch and feel comforted by seeign a main character that's SIMILAR to them in situations they would like to be in. And, as I stated before, many of these salaryman can't get out of their jobs for a variety of reasons, and as such, making Senko pull Nakano out of his work would make him less similar and as such relatable to the core audience of the show.


But see this here^ is why one of the reasons I have a problem with the show's ethics.... the fact that salarymen might watch this and relate to it. That's more of a problem than it sounds- because obviously most likely a fox spirit is not going to visit them and cure their ills or make dinner for them; meanwhile Nakano's life problems are screaming out for a resolution of some kind. The message of the anime then is- "Here enjoy wishing you were in this situation; just keep working at that dead-end job til it kills you; have a nice day."


And I know that many people can't exactly get out of these situations easily- but it's not true that they can't change their situation. As I said earlier- there are clearly instances of people pushing back on society EVEN IN JAPAN (futoko, hikkikomori) and China (laying flat) and so obviously it's not completely unthinkable that Japanese people have, and could, push back. But making an anime that basically just shows this guy being miserable and offering no Real World hope to him; is actually very tragic. I think it fails at being a good iyashikei for that reason.
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vinland saga, though i was actually on board with it until i saw the fanbase be the exact opposite.
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Cardcaptor Sakura manga endorses grooming and pedophilia. The anime has less grooming and no pedophilia.

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@BigMac7 Same, it didn't look interesting from afar, and people really hated the ending too, but I might consider watching it for spoiler reasons.

Edit: Never mind, I can't watch this show.
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I'm shocked it took everyone 12 episodes to figure out the show isn't very good. I don't even think it gets worse over time.
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I almost feel like you possibly read my comments last night on Senko-san as inspiration for the question..... that anime, Japan's office culture... ugh
After how much I wrote I even surprised myself how much I objected to its message. But I could be wrong about it; even though this isa rewatch; I have to see the last episode and make a final judgment.

Basically, the show is about a guy working at a Black Company and he probably spends 20 hours at work. He often SLEEPS OVERNIGHT in the office. He is often the only one doing this. He then gets yelled at by the boss anyway, telling him to work harder, finish anyway, and apparently he's doing all this overtime FOR NO PAY.
He has gotten so overworked and messed up by it, that a black miasma is shown building around him; and the fox goddesses observing him notice he's going to DIE if they don't intervene- which leads to Senko the fox goddess going to his apartment to cook him meals and let him pet her fluffy tail etc..... that's the premise


He gets home each day looking like hell; and she says "Thank you for your hard work today Nakano!"

Yep, that's the message- 'thank you for working yourself to death peasant- keep it up!'
It enrages me. I stated in my comment last night that I was shocked, that Japan has an epidemic of men refusing to go outside (hikkikomori) or kids refusing to go to school (futoko) and even in China- young people are pushing back against slavery-style working conditions (laying flat). But Japanese salarymen and women appear to have taken zero steps to push back on society's insane expectations on them. And the anime doesn't even hint that such a thing should happen. That pisses me off. Sorry for the rant.
@SuperAdventure I had similar thoughts when I watched it not too long ago.

We have this corporate slave guy who is supposed to feel relatable to many in the Japanese audience. And then as fantasy wish fulfillment he gets a cute little thing to take care of him at home. "Ah, wouldn't this be nice," the viewer thinks. "I'd still have to work the same shitty job for the same long hours and the same horrid pay, but at least I have a loli kitsune waiting for me at home." Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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Wonder Egg Priority. Major content warning for this one.
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Wait, what?
No, I'm pretty sure that the "Boys kill themselves because of objectives and girls kill themselves because of feelings" was referencing Emile Durkheim's different types of suicides, no?

Wait, are you talking about Koito? She was never suicidal, just manipulative, she died because she slipped.
The fact that the show has a large number of suicidal girls and the one you chose to defend was the one that wasn't suicidal and tried to seduce not one, but two adults is kinda wild.
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Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai - Because being schizophrenic is not fun at all, it's actually a terrible mental illness.
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thewiru said:
Wait, are you talking about Koito?


Are you really accepting
without thinking about how absolutely stupid that is? Like, if a detective revealed that, you'd think they're making a bad joke, right?

And yes, I'm defending her, because her puppet master writer turned into a misogynistic stereotype that perpetrates dangerous
myths in a way that's completely nonsensical and a complete betrayal of those in the audience that expected this show to actually care about women's issues. The kind of girl Koito turned into only exists in the wretched misogynistic fantasies of creepy older men.
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Kanashimi no Belladonna: It's not that I disagree with it's ideas, but rather that it is based on a 19th century book that, due to being itself based on sources that were themselves historically inaccurate, ends up being anachronistic and almost revisionist.
Like, no, witches weren't proto-feminists, but the idea itself is actually very cool for a movie, and considering that I do like the movie because I just apply "suspension of disbelief" to it, it might not be what you want here.

Inuyashiki: I found the "Our protagonist wants to save people because it makes it feel alive and our villain wants to kill people for the same reason, meaning that they're the same thing" message... dumb. This and the overall cynical edginess of the author.

Fractale:It feels like "Phone Bad: The Anime". Look, I'm all for a work of art on the importance of experience, but that one just felt like Yamakan being a boomer.

Mob Psycho 100: I do like the anime, I just don't like the interpretation a lot of people have of it of it being a "conformist" anime which equates accepting the status quo with "maturity" and wanting to change it with "childishness". IDK, videos like this SCREAM self-hate for the medium and the community.

Charlotte: Protagonist gains a way of going back to the past and save his friend, but chooses not to use it. Why? I DON'T FUCKING KNOW. Protagonist will nearly kill delinquents in order to get their cocaine, but suddenly "a small scare" is enough for the girl who tried to kill his sister.

Mob Psycho 100 II: I actually do like the anime, but I feel that the anime never could prove that Mogami Keiji's logic was wrong, they just had the protagonist respond "If you had no friends, you would be like me" with "Yeah, I would, but I do have friends".

Shigofumi: Sore kara: In the main anime we had the protagonist let a guy be killed for killing his pregnant wife, but in the OVA anything more than "a small scare" FOR BULLIES WHO DROVE A GUY TO SUICIDE AND TRIED TO DRIVE ANOTHER "was just too much".
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thewiru said:
Wait, are you talking about Koito?


Are you really accepting
without thinking about how absolutely stupid that is? Like, if a detective revealed that, you'd think they're making a bad joke, right?

And yes, I'm defending her, because her puppet master writer turned into a misogynistic stereotype that perpetrates dangerous
myths in a way that's completely nonsensical and a complete betrayal of those in the audience that expected this show to actually care about women's issues. The kind of girl Koito turned into only exists in the wretched misogynistic fantasies of creepy older men.
MelodyOfMemory said:
without thinking about how absolutely stupid that is?

This anime has quite a couple stupid things, I'm surprised that THIS is your breaking point.
For her to "kill herself for attention" would truly be the stupid thing to me.
Either way, why do you take that as a commentary about women in general when she's the only character who does something like that?
MelodyOfMemory said:
she was asking to get raped

No? I'm pretty sure that her objective was to have consensual sex, hence she was trying to seduce him.
If something, the fact that she was trying to blackmail the teacher in order to get that would make HER the rapist.
MelodyOfMemory said:
and is just lying for attention

I'm not sure what this is referring to, but the character was shown to be a manipulator.
MelodyOfMemory said:
myths in a way that's completely nonsensical and a complete betrayal of those in the audience that expected this show to actually care about women's issues. The kind of girl Koito turned into only exists in the wretched misogynistic fantasies of creepy older men.

This feels like not being able to separate fiction from reality.
In a way, this reminds me of the Frieren demon's debate: People treat "intrinsic evil groups" as such an impossible and taboo idea in reality (And that isn't necessarily a bad thing) that they can't fathom the idea that someone could write a fictional fantasy where that could happen.
You show them "No, in this anime they are ACTUALLY intrinsic incompatible with humanity, like, ACTUALLY ACTUALLY" and people just can't comprehend that. It's like that part in Inception where Leonardo DiCaprio's character puts in his wife's subconscious the idea that she's living in a dream, so even when she wakes up she still thinks she's in a dream.
Same logic behind people who have a problem with lolicon: They feel something is wrong for some metaphysical reason and not because mensurable material harm, hence for them something made in fiction has the same value as something made in reality.

Likewise here, the author literally goes "I wrote a story where this happened" and you go "No, this would never happen in reality, this is all a myth", and the he goes "OK, maybe you're write, but in this story this actually happened because I though it would result in an interesting plot-line and-" so you respond with "No, that just can't happen".

I really do feel that you made a massive boogeyman out of this by imagining that it is trying to say something fundamental about all women... when it isn't?
That feels like not understanding this kind of media criticism to a fundamental level: It makes no sense to criticize any SPECIFIC movie for, say, not passing the Bechdel test or having a black character be the first to be killed. Those are criticisms you make at a SYSTEMIC level: When a large percentage of movies have those things, then we can really say that we have a large problem.

Likewise, that criticism would make sense if you could name a large number of other works that do something similar, THEN we could talk about misogynistic tropes being reflected in media.
To only name a single one and from a stretched interpretation accuse it of doing this is just... silly.
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I love Symphogear, but it's ending message, that irredeemable villains deserve more sympathy than their innocent victims is disgusting.

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thewiru said:
Likewise, that criticism would make sense if you could name a large number of other works that do something similar,


You know, there's a Wikipedia article with your name on it.

It's a well known trope. Real life is even worse. Many raped women are scared to go to court because it's likely the prosecutor will accuse them of being liars and the rapist gets away scot free.

But whatever. I already know you don't give a shit about women.
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thewiru said:
Likewise, that criticism would make sense if you could name a large number of other works that do something similar,


You know, there's a Wikipedia article with your name on it.

It's a well known trope. Real life is even worse. Many raped women are scared to go to court because it's likely the prosecutor will accuse them of being liars and the rapist gets away scot free.

But whatever. I already know you don't give a shit about women.
MelodyOfMemory said:
It's a goddamn TV Trope.

Using TVTropes as a source to say "It's a well established trope" is like using Urban Dictionary to prove the validity of a word.
Literally anyone can make a page there about something they found in three works.

But for the sake of argument, let's accept it is (It might as well be, it's just that having a TVTropes page doesn't prove it).
I assume your argument is that media presenting the concept of a false rape accusation so much will give people the false impression that it happens way more often than it actually does, correct?
So it is safe for me to assume that you don't like a piece of art having a false rape accusation in it because you feel it will add to this effect and have negative repercussions IRL, correct?

I'm still a staunch defender of artistic liberty regardless, but if that's your argument (One that is based in material harm) I can understand it and respect it.
MelodyOfMemory said:
Real life is even worse. Many raped women are scared to go to court because it's likely the prosecutor will accuse them of being liars and the rapist gets away scot free.

You might think I'm a heartless monster for saying this... actually, you already do, so I have nothing to lose:
I mean, so far I only have your word for it, and in the "Death of the Monoculture" world we live in, that's not much.
If I go to some incel MGTOW group they'll tell me that it's the opposite and that there are droves of innocent men going to jail without proof solely based on unreliable gossip, that the whole system is gynocentric and yadayadayada.

The only way to know which side is correct is by data and stats.
For instance, I am acquainted with the data that the percentage of men convicted out of a false rape accusation is actually pretty low, hence why I could deduce that your problem with it would be that the anime would give a wrong image of reality.
MelodyOfMemory said:
But whatever. I already know you don't give a shit about women.

Once again: If believing that will make you sleep better at night, I'll humor it.
I could even play a character, if you like.

Edit: Reading the TV Tropes article, it presents it as a trope the same way "Characters eating breakfast" is a trope, as in "it presents it in the most 'neutral' way possible", therefore you really can't use this page to try to prove that such is necessarily done so by "malicious reasons" and out of misogyny.
Once again, my point isn't that "It is impossible", but rather that "It could very well be possible, but you have to prove that".
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The closest I can think of is Granbelm, which I enjoyed watching but I wasn't a fan of the message

Two Sides of Seiyuu Radio also comes up because while again,


Neither of these issues were enough to outright kill my interest in the stories but they did bring down the scores of otherwise strong anime.
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I'm shocked it took everyone 12 episodes to figure out the show isn't very good. I don't even think it gets worse over time.
@Lucifrost Well, I can't say much about that having dropped it after 2 episodes, but my cringe and pretentiousness detector have been going off really hard.
I just can't deal with these weird metaphorical stories.
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I mean, so far I only have your word for it, and in the "Death of the Monoculture" world we live in, that's not much.


So many words just to say "I don't watch the news, therefore it does not happen." I could reference the Jian Ghomeshi case or the many other cases where the perpetrator got away or had a minimal sentence while the women who were sexually assaulted got character assassinated, and you will still find a way to deny it. This is something nearly all women have to be wary of. You get to abstract and pseudo-intellectualize this topic because it doesn't affect you and you clearly don't have close female friends.
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For me, this is definitely the second season of Vinland Saga. It's very easy to say stupid things like "you have no enemies" when you're the one killing everyone around you, but if someone killed my entire family, I would have them and I would definitely never ever forgive that.
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thewiru said:
I mean, so far I only have your word for it, and in the "Death of the Monoculture" world we live in, that's not much.


So many words just to say "I don't watch the news, therefore it does not happen." I could reference the Jian Ghomeshi case or the many other cases where the perpetrator got away or had a minimal sentence while the women who were sexually assaulted got character assassinated, and you will still find a way to deny it. This is something nearly all women have to be wary of. You get to abstract and pseudo-intellectualize this topic because it doesn't affect you and you clearly don't have close female friends.
MelodyOfMemory said:
So many words just to say "I don't watch the news, therefore it does not happen."

You will be far happier if you quit relying on the news to tell you what to think. Seriously ask yourself, how exactly does hearing about rape on TV benefit you?
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whenever sci fi anime represent the galaxy colonising humans as heckin multicultural and so on. literally every single ethnic group hates each other and kick off against each other all the time (there is no racial unity in anti white struggle or whatever). the only example of a real multicultural society is the USA and that is rife with ethnic tension and so on. it also achieved pretty much everything it did whilst being a white supremacy nation.
also there is no way minorities would be fine with their government spending money enough to establish a galactic civilisation when they were mad that NASA during the Space Race weren't giving all that money to blax.
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thewiru said:
I mean, so far I only have your word for it, and in the "Death of the Monoculture" world we live in, that's not much.


So many words just to say "I don't watch the news, therefore it does not happen." I could reference the Jian Ghomeshi case or the many other cases where the perpetrator got away or had a minimal sentence while the women who were sexually assaulted got character assassinated, and you will still find a way to deny it. This is something nearly all women have to be wary of. You get to abstract and pseudo-intellectualize this topic because it doesn't affect you and you clearly don't have close female friends.
MelodyOfMemory said:
So many words just to say "I don't watch the news, therefore it does not happen."

Motte & Bailey fallacy.
We're never talking about if it happens or not, but HOW MUCH.
MelodyOfMemory said:
I could reference the Jian Ghomeshi case or the many other cases where the perpetrator got away or had a minimal sentence while the women who were sexually assaulted got character assassinated, and you will still find a way to deny it.

Once again: I'm not talking about any individual case, I'm talk about it as a systemic issue.
Mentioning any individual case would simply be survivorship bias, I want the data of how much it happens.

Actually, do I? At that point we've strayed pretty far from the initial discussion, which is whether the depiction of real "false rape accusations" in fictional media do influence reality negatively.
MelodyOfMemory said:
This is something nearly all women have to be wary of.

Once again: If I went to some random incel MGTOW group (Which would be a very unpleasant experience) they would all be telling me that "being falsely accused of rape 'is something nearly all women have to be wary of'". The only way for me to know which side talking essentially opposite things is correct is via data.
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You get to abstract and pseudo-intellectualize this topic because it doesn't affect you and you clearly don't have close female friends.

Ad hominem + Appeal to Emotion + I don't have close male friends either
COME ON, I literally wrote in one of my other posts how being shown stats and data changed my view of a certain subject to the point that I proposed an argument that actually supports your points (But so far I'll have to assume you don't even use that argument).
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MelodyOfMemory said:
So many words just to say "I don't watch the news, therefore it does not happen."

You will be far happier if you quit relying on the news to tell you what to think. Seriously ask yourself, how exactly does hearing about rape on TV benefit you?
@Lucifrost
"Muh news" is probably the worse argument to use if we're talking about media distorting the popular view of how often something happens in reality, because that's exactly what news do with things like murder or negative things in general (Negativity bias).
My country is especially guilty of this since we have a kind of heavily-sensationalized "ragebait-news" programs that many academics have linked as a source for the support of "punitivist" and "though-on-crime" stances in the general population here.

I honestly don't even know what type of argument they're using at this point, because if it isn't "The systemic existence of the trope in media might distort people's view of reality" — which could really be argued about, either in favor or against — then I have no idea what it is.
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Any plot line where "fate" or "destiny" is fixed and people are destined for terrible ends which can't be changed.
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Jin Roh: The Wolf Brigade


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Any plot line where "fate" or "destiny" is fixed and people are destined for terrible ends which can't be changed.
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Jin Roh: The Wolf Brigade

That's... that's the point of the movie, on how fascism sells a sense of belonging to outcasts only to kill any chance of they ever being able to live in society, essentially an abusive relationship where they end up prisoners to it.
It's an analogy to the original "The Red Riding Hood", which DIDN'T have a happy ending, it was supposed to be a cautionary tale, just like this one is also supposed to be, it's made for you to suffer with the ending.
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Kruszer said:
Jin Roh: The Wolf Brigade

That's... that's the point of the movie, on how fascism sells a sense of belonging to outcasts only to kill any chance of they ever being able to live in society, essentially an abusive relationship where they end up prisoners to it.
It's an analogy to the original "The Red Riding Hood", which DIDN'T have a happy ending, it was supposed to be a cautionary tale, just like this one is also supposed to be, it's made for you to suffer with the ending.
I don't get why I'm supposed to enjoy any of that though, or like being emotionally manipulated for that matter. Not my cup of tea.
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I love Symphogear, but it's ending message, that irredeemable villains deserve more sympathy than their innocent victims is disgusting.
@Piromysl Bethesda ethics lol.

>Murders 50 persons who were just doing their job: no problem

>Doesn't spare the actual villain who's behind the carnage: -10000 aura you're a monster no cap fr
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i don't like bocchi the rock. i don't want to integrate to society and listen tiktokslop like what kiturd do to bocchi i want to be like kurt cobain
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Хайде, хайде, хайде, това е първата зона, брато, първа зона, първа зона, добре, добре, добре, това става тук горе, отива тук горе, само спокойно, само спокойно... Ха, отдясно е, навсякъде отдясно отдясно къде е дясното ти о да добре добре добре тихо мълчаливо не успях да се съсредоточа върху това ЕХ ТЪПАК КОГАТО СИ БАВНО БАВНО ... ой е путката на моето момиче прасе куче, аз Чувствам се добре, о, мамо, *шамар*, какво е това госпожице татко-
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The cardcaptor manga because of the grooming and ped0philia (I’m sorry I hate typing out that word). The anime is better since from what I remember, haven’t watched it in a long time, it’s a student teacher dynamic where the teacher doesn’t romanticly love the kid, but come on, a 30 YEAR OLD BEING ENGAGED TO A 9 YEAR OLD?!?!?!? The fact CLAMP tries to cover it up with “oh but love is love” is horrible too. NOT WHEN ITS ILLEGAL. Thats why I refuse to continue the manga, because of how it portrays grooming as a good and romantic thing.
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All anime that incite a relationship between adults and children, they are very Sick 🤢🤢
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LOLOz said:

All anime that incite a relationship between adults and children, they are very Sick 🤢🤢

That happens to be very rare, thankfully.

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I kind of have a problem with the messaging and the fanbase around Welcome to the NHK. Generally, there's always an issue with the comments under this kind of anime. Even under a seemingly simple topic like amnesia, people tend to think like this: "I went through that, so everyone else must have experienced it the exact same way, and now I can be some kind of mentor," instead of just watching the anime for what it is. Personally, I find this anime naive and full of stereotypes. In reality, no one is going to show up and help you through hard times like a knight in shining armor. The whole “civilizational disease” angle feels like the creators had a sudden realization that things like depression or schizophrenia only started existing with this generation as if people in the past didn’t hang themselves or struggle with mental health. Unfortunately, I have to disappoint you they absolutely did. It's just that no one paid attention to it back then, or it was treated with electroshock therapy. Any sign of being "different," even things we now consider normal, were treated as problems. It's a very shallow take on a serious topic, sadly
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I kind of have a problem with the messaging and the fanbase around Welcome to the NHK. Generally, there's always an issue with the comments under this kind of anime. Even under a seemingly simple topic like amnesia, people tend to think like this: "I went through that, so everyone else must have experienced it the exact same way, and now I can be some kind of mentor," instead of just watching the anime for what it is. Personally, I find this anime naive and full of stereotypes. In reality, no one is going to show up and help you through hard times like a knight in shining armor. The whole “civilizational disease” angle feels like the creators had a sudden realization that things like depression or schizophrenia only started existing with this generation as if people in the past didn’t hang themselves or struggle with mental health. Unfortunately, I have to disappoint you they absolutely did. It's just that no one paid attention to it back then, or it was treated with electroshock therapy. Any sign of being "different," even things we now consider normal, were treated as problems. It's a very shallow take on a serious topic, sadly
NoLongerAtsushi said:
Any sign of being "different," even things we now consider normal, were treated as problems.

Those are the sorts of people they used to accuse of witchcraft.
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@Piromysl Bethesda ethics lol.

>Murders 50 persons who were just doing their job: no problem

>Doesn't spare the actual villain who's behind the carnage: -10000 aura you're a monster no cap fr
@Deathko It's actually way worse than you describe.

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Tokyo Revengers - Literally they're romanticizing delinquence. (And let's not begin with Takemichi's motivations, dear lord, he's the worst protagonist I have ever seen in a nekketsu (and the bar for making a decent protagonist relative to that genre isn't really that high)

Ijime: It's an OVA that after watching it you can see how much it didn't do anything to solve bullying.

Now there are a few other stuff I disagree with but didn't dislike it just because of that.

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All anime that incite a relationship between adults and children, they are very Sick 🤢🤢
@LOLOz

That's got nothing to do with giving a message though.
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I kind of have a problem with the messaging and the fanbase around Welcome to the NHK. Generally, there's always an issue with the comments under this kind of anime. Even under a seemingly simple topic like amnesia, people tend to think like this: "I went through that, so everyone else must have experienced it the exact same way, and now I can be some kind of mentor," instead of just watching the anime for what it is. Personally, I find this anime naive and full of stereotypes. In reality, no one is going to show up and help you through hard times like a knight in shining armor. The whole “civilizational disease” angle feels like the creators had a sudden realization that things like depression or schizophrenia only started existing with this generation as if people in the past didn’t hang themselves or struggle with mental health. Unfortunately, I have to disappoint you they absolutely did. It's just that no one paid attention to it back then, or it was treated with electroshock therapy. Any sign of being "different," even things we now consider normal, were treated as problems. It's a very shallow take on a serious topic, sadly
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You should watch Colorful movie I think you'll like it.
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TsumaSho because

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@MelodyOfMemory that's sounds fucked up you might've made just made me very interested in that show lol
@BigMac7 If anything, the show didn't have any conclusive message and even if it did, it was the opposite of that.

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@NoLongerAtsushi

You should watch Colorful movie I think you'll like it.
@JoeChip thx for recommendation really good movie
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Every anime where violent tsundere wins in the end because it gives the message that if someone is abusing you just tolerate it and be extra nice to them they'll eventually change for the better

BL anime where hot gay guy rapes and abuses a the MC who initially claims to be straight but eventually turns gay for his abuser.

Kyo Kara Maoh deserves a special mention because it combined both of the above added to which I hate how Wolfram gets away with things just because of his pretty privilege which is even worse in the LNs, Yuuri discriminates people based on looks and gives harsher punishment to those that are not pretty, a very bad quality for the king to have.

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Code Geass - MC Suzaku being collaborator and traitor of Japan, not only he had sick believes, but he also fought and rat on those who fought against occupation, in Poland during WWII he would be primary target for Home Army...
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Ao no Hako.

I won't say that my dislike for the work is solely due to how I feel about the message conveyed by the author. I mean, I absolutely detest Chinatsu's writing, I find the work quite cliché, and there are dozens of other details that irritate me. However, I am a skeptic and tend towards nihilism, and I am, more than ever, tired of works, communications or any form of art that are boring motivational, odes to positivity and parrot speeches of "try hard, you will surely succeed" and "meritocracy". This also goes for many Shonens and helps explain why I tend to be harder for that demographic.
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