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Apr 28, 6:52 AM
#1
| Are there any anime that you don't like on a message level? Not necessarily because of how well it was delivered, you just don't like the idea. Although cases where (in your opinion) the message is generally fine, but completely breaks down because of the way and manner in which the show does it, would also be interesting to hear. For example, I still remember Jun Maeda being widely criticized for Charlotte, as the anime's final idea was considered by many to be simply disrespectful for such shows. And since such a question is often related to the ending, or at least an important development, it is advisable to use spoiler tags for things that are not obvious. |
Apr 28, 6:56 AM
#2
| First thing that comes to mind is Trigun. Vash's main theme is pacifism, which does not work at all in real life. |
Apr 28, 7:09 AM
#3
| Wonder Egg Priority. Major content warning for this one. Suicidal girls are probably liars just doing it for attention and trying to seduce innocent older men because statutory rape? What statutory rape? I'm a misogynistic hack writer. |
Apr 28, 7:14 AM
#4
| Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai - Because being schizophrenic is not fun at all, it's actually a terrible mental illness. |
Apr 28, 7:19 AM
#5
| I almost feel like you possibly read my comments last night on Senko-san as inspiration for the question..... that anime, Japan's office culture... ugh After how much I wrote I even surprised myself how much I objected to its message. But I could be wrong about it; even though this isa rewatch; I have to see the last episode and make a final judgment. Basically, the show is about a guy working at a Black Company and he probably spends 20 hours at work. He often SLEEPS OVERNIGHT in the office. He is often the only one doing this. He then gets yelled at by the boss anyway, telling him to work harder, finish anyway, and apparently he's doing all this overtime FOR NO PAY. He has gotten so overworked and messed up by it, that a black miasma is shown building around him; and the fox goddesses observing him notice he's going to DIE if they don't intervene- which leads to Senko the fox goddess going to his apartment to cook him meals and let him pet her fluffy tail etc..... that's the premise She ends up staying with him, almost as a live-in wife, for a whole year. And at the end of that length of time; he's NO BETTER OFF THAN WHEN SHE ARRIVED. At no point does she suggest he should find another job; or get a girlfriend, or move back to his home village. At no point does he take any actions to make his situation better; in fact she at least helps him sleep in on a Sunday so he'll not go into the office on a day of!! But he never fixes his situation. She just says "Oh don't feel sad!" and "Gee that must be really difficult!" multiple times; but not once do they ever fix THE PROBLEM. He gets home each day looking like hell; and she says "Thank you for your hard work today Nakano!" Yep, that's the message- 'thank you for working yourself to death peasant- keep it up!' It enrages me. I stated in my comment last night that I was shocked, that Japan has an epidemic of men refusing to go outside (hikkikomori) or kids refusing to go to school (futoko) and even in China- young people are pushing back against slavery-style working conditions (laying flat). But Japanese salarymen and women appear to have taken zero steps to push back on society's insane expectations on them. And the anime doesn't even hint that such a thing should happen. That pisses me off. Sorry for the rant. |
SuperAdventureApr 28, 7:22 AM
Apr 28, 7:20 AM
#6
Reply to Gator
First thing that comes to mind is Trigun. Vash's main theme is pacifism, which does not work at all in real life.
| @Gator Pacifism works. Non-violence is stupid. See tit for tat strategy. From what I remember there's kind of a confusion in Trigun between both, and I remember Vash annoying me towards the end, but in general while he doesn't like violence he still uses it when he has no choice. |
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
Apr 28, 7:22 AM
#7
| https://myanimelist.net/anime/2765/Momotaro |
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
Apr 28, 7:31 AM
#8
Apr 28, 7:37 AM
#9
Reply to MelodyOfMemory
Wonder Egg Priority. Major content warning for this one.
Suicidal girls are probably liars just doing it for attention and trying to seduce innocent older men because statutory rape? What statutory rape? I'm a misogynistic hack writer.
Suicidal girls are probably liars just doing it for attention and trying to seduce innocent older men because statutory rape? What statutory rape? I'm a misogynistic hack writer.
| @MelodyOfMemory that's sounds fucked up you might've made just made me very interested in that show lol |
Apr 28, 7:49 AM
#10
Reply to Yotsuba84
Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai - Because being schizophrenic is not fun at all, it's actually a terrible mental illness.
| @Yotsuba84 the show does treat it like an illness that needs to be cured |
Apr 28, 8:02 AM
#11
| Kaze no Stigma had an arc about a short manlet trying to take panty shots. The women gang up on him and beat him with a bat.(wtf) and break his expensive camera He gets hospitalized Short manlet unlocks hypnosis powers. Some gals get yeeted by cars MC having no sympathy yeets the guy. Rare that I ever bat an eye over misandry, but this definitely sticks out. I was enjoying the anime a fair amount until I reached this point. I rarely get upset by edgy plots, but this one irritated me a bit. Imagine if the gender roles were reversed. The girl would be the hero. |
rohan121Apr 28, 8:10 AM
Apr 28, 8:05 AM
#12
Reply to Deathko
@Gator Pacifism works. Non-violence is stupid. See tit for tat strategy. From what I remember there's kind of a confusion in Trigun between both, and I remember Vash annoying me towards the end, but in general while he doesn't like violence he still uses it when he has no choice.
| @Deathko Vash uses violence, he just refuses to kill. Remember this is a guy that can kill that ENTIRE planet, if he wanted too. That puts it into perspective. |
Apr 28, 8:08 AM
#13
Reply to SuperAdventure
I almost feel like you possibly read my comments last night on Senko-san as inspiration for the question..... that anime, Japan's office culture... ugh
After how much I wrote I even surprised myself how much I objected to its message. But I could be wrong about it; even though this isa rewatch; I have to see the last episode and make a final judgment.
Basically, the show is about a guy working at a Black Company and he probably spends 20 hours at work. He often SLEEPS OVERNIGHT in the office. He is often the only one doing this. He then gets yelled at by the boss anyway, telling him to work harder, finish anyway, and apparently he's doing all this overtime FOR NO PAY.
He has gotten so overworked and messed up by it, that a black miasma is shown building around him; and the fox goddesses observing him notice he's going to DIE if they don't intervene- which leads to Senko the fox goddess going to his apartment to cook him meals and let him pet her fluffy tail etc..... that's the premise
She ends up staying with him, almost as a live-in wife, for a whole year. And at the end of that length of time; he's NO BETTER OFF THAN WHEN SHE ARRIVED.
At no point does she suggest he should find another job; or get a girlfriend, or move back to his home village. At no point does he take any actions to make his situation better; in fact she at least helps him sleep in on a Sunday so he'll not go into the office on a day of!! But he never fixes his situation. She just says "Oh don't feel sad!" and "Gee that must be really difficult!" multiple times; but not once do they ever fix THE PROBLEM.
He gets home each day looking like hell; and she says "Thank you for your hard work today Nakano!"
Yep, that's the message- 'thank you for working yourself to death peasant- keep it up!'
It enrages me. I stated in my comment last night that I was shocked, that Japan has an epidemic of men refusing to go outside (hikkikomori) or kids refusing to go to school (futoko) and even in China- young people are pushing back against slavery-style working conditions (laying flat). But Japanese salarymen and women appear to have taken zero steps to push back on society's insane expectations on them. And the anime doesn't even hint that such a thing should happen. That pisses me off. Sorry for the rant.
After how much I wrote I even surprised myself how much I objected to its message. But I could be wrong about it; even though this isa rewatch; I have to see the last episode and make a final judgment.
Basically, the show is about a guy working at a Black Company and he probably spends 20 hours at work. He often SLEEPS OVERNIGHT in the office. He is often the only one doing this. He then gets yelled at by the boss anyway, telling him to work harder, finish anyway, and apparently he's doing all this overtime FOR NO PAY.
He has gotten so overworked and messed up by it, that a black miasma is shown building around him; and the fox goddesses observing him notice he's going to DIE if they don't intervene- which leads to Senko the fox goddess going to his apartment to cook him meals and let him pet her fluffy tail etc..... that's the premise
She ends up staying with him, almost as a live-in wife, for a whole year. And at the end of that length of time; he's NO BETTER OFF THAN WHEN SHE ARRIVED.
At no point does she suggest he should find another job; or get a girlfriend, or move back to his home village. At no point does he take any actions to make his situation better; in fact she at least helps him sleep in on a Sunday so he'll not go into the office on a day of!! But he never fixes his situation. She just says "Oh don't feel sad!" and "Gee that must be really difficult!" multiple times; but not once do they ever fix THE PROBLEM.
He gets home each day looking like hell; and she says "Thank you for your hard work today Nakano!"
Yep, that's the message- 'thank you for working yourself to death peasant- keep it up!'
It enrages me. I stated in my comment last night that I was shocked, that Japan has an epidemic of men refusing to go outside (hikkikomori) or kids refusing to go to school (futoko) and even in China- young people are pushing back against slavery-style working conditions (laying flat). But Japanese salarymen and women appear to have taken zero steps to push back on society's insane expectations on them. And the anime doesn't even hint that such a thing should happen. That pisses me off. Sorry for the rant.
| @SuperAdventure Man, you got no idea what Senko-san is even about if you genuinly think that's what the anime tries to convey in any way, shape or form. Senko-san is, primordially, a comfort anime (hence its Iyashikei tag on this website). It is made for working-age men stuck in abusive workplaces such as Nakano himself in mind and as such, the main character has to be similar to them for its target audience to relate to him. It is not that the show "endorses" Nakano's lifestyle by mantaining his status-quo from beginning to end, quite the contrary, in fact. It is just that, as I mentioned before, the show seeks relatability from its audience, recognizes many of them IRL are stuck in such harsh conditions, be it for personal or economic reasons, and chooses to mantain Nakano that way through in order to mantain relatibility. Sure, the author could have choose to make Nakano quit his job and return to his village, such as you stated, but where would be the relatavility in that? How would the audience the show was made for in the first place identify with him if he suddently makes something the vast majority of them couldn't even begin think of for a vast array of reasons? Wouldn't that be betraying the core audience of the show when doing so? That's precisely why Senko-san never takes steps what you suggested it should have done in your comment. And in no way does the show "glamorize" Nakano's workplace nonetheless; an anime that tried to do so indeed would NEVER dare the show the daily problems and misery Nakano has to go through in order to please a boss that doesn't even care about him to begin with. Senko-san dissaproves of that kind of enviroment, but it chooses to preserve it in order to mantain relatibility with the audience it was made for, as I stated previously. I don't know, man, I think you are applying a very Western perspective to a show you would have to know its local context in order to properly understand it and wildly missing its point by doing so. I think you should reevaluate the way you see that series, lol |
The_Blue_LotusApr 28, 9:02 AM
Apr 28, 8:16 AM
#14
Reply to The_Blue_Lotus
@SuperAdventure
Man, you got no idea what Senko-san is even about if you genuinly think that's what the anime tries to convey in any way, shape or form.
Senko-san is, primordially, a comfort anime (hence its Iyashikei tag on this website). It is made for working-age men stuck in abusive workplaces such as Nakano himself in mind and as such, the main character has to be similar to them for its target audience to relate to him.
It is not that the show "endorses" Nakano's lifestyle by mantaining his status-quo from beginning to end, quite the contrary, in fact. It is just that, as I mentioned before, the show seeks relatability from its audience, recognizes many of them IRL are stuck in such harsh conditions, be it for personal or economic reasons, and chooses to mantain Nakano that way through in order to mantain relatibility.
Sure, the author could have choose to make Nakano quit his job and return to his village, such as you stated, but where would be the relatavility in that? How would the audience the show was made for in the first place identify with him if he suddently makes something the vast majority of them couldn't even begin think of for a vast array of reasons? Wouldn't that be betraying the core audience of the show when doing so? That's precisely why Senko-san never takes steps what you suggested it should have done in your comment.
And in no way does the show "glamorize" Nakano's workplace nonetheless; an anime that tried to do so indeed would NEVER dare the show the daily problems and misery Nakano has to go through in order to please a boss that doesn't even care about him to begin with. Senko-san dissaproves of that kind of enviroment, but it chooses to preserve it in order to mantain relatibility with the audience it was made for, as I stated previously.
I don't know, man, I think you are applying a very Western perspective to a show you would have to know its local context in order to properly understand it and wildly missing its point by doing so. I think you should reevaluate the way you see that series, lol
Man, you got no idea what Senko-san is even about if you genuinly think that's what the anime tries to convey in any way, shape or form.
Senko-san is, primordially, a comfort anime (hence its Iyashikei tag on this website). It is made for working-age men stuck in abusive workplaces such as Nakano himself in mind and as such, the main character has to be similar to them for its target audience to relate to him.
It is not that the show "endorses" Nakano's lifestyle by mantaining his status-quo from beginning to end, quite the contrary, in fact. It is just that, as I mentioned before, the show seeks relatability from its audience, recognizes many of them IRL are stuck in such harsh conditions, be it for personal or economic reasons, and chooses to mantain Nakano that way through in order to mantain relatibility.
Sure, the author could have choose to make Nakano quit his job and return to his village, such as you stated, but where would be the relatavility in that? How would the audience the show was made for in the first place identify with him if he suddently makes something the vast majority of them couldn't even begin think of for a vast array of reasons? Wouldn't that be betraying the core audience of the show when doing so? That's precisely why Senko-san never takes steps what you suggested it should have done in your comment.
And in no way does the show "glamorize" Nakano's workplace nonetheless; an anime that tried to do so indeed would NEVER dare the show the daily problems and misery Nakano has to go through in order to please a boss that doesn't even care about him to begin with. Senko-san dissaproves of that kind of enviroment, but it chooses to preserve it in order to mantain relatibility with the audience it was made for, as I stated previously.
I don't know, man, I think you are applying a very Western perspective to a show you would have to know its local context in order to properly understand it and wildly missing its point by doing so. I think you should reevaluate the way you see that series, lol
| @The_Blue_Lotus No I don't agree this at all. WTF do you mean "relativity" you say that 4 times and your entire take hinges on that word and I've never seen anyone comment on an anime by saying that. Nowhere did I say the anime "glamorizes" Nagano's workplace; nowhere did I say it "endorses" the lifestyle. Of course I have a western perspective; that's whereI'm from and so are you- there's no escaping that. I think you misread my comment- I explained what my issue with it was. Senko has a passive role. But could have used her influence to point him in the right direction. |
Apr 28, 8:17 AM
#15
| I remember getting pretty irked back then when Seven Seeds made a remark against patriotism. Altough that was a pretty brief moment overall and the anime dealed with others theme primordially aswell, so maybe I am just overreacting about something that isn't really worth that anger at the end of the day. Any anime that promotes Pacifism is also a big no-no for me. The Japanese almost uninamously embraced that school of tought after the end of WW2 and it goes to show on almost any show they make that deals with more serious topis. Which is regretable, to me, at least.... |
Apr 28, 8:27 AM
#16
| Higurashi no Naku Koro ni I had tried a few times to watch it for someone, but I just can't get hooked by the impotency of the characters. It's like saying the anime message is this world is crazy, the characters are powerless, they are also as crazy as the world. ... Wow I actually have an unpopular opinion on something ♪ |
There is only one truth in this world かわいいは正義 Also, robots are your friends ✿❀(*ᴗ͈ˬᴗ͈)ꕤ*.゚⋆˚✿˖° Check our anime affinity, Senpai! Fellow cute girl lovers FR accepted. Watch NGNL, ฅ^•ﻌ•^ฅ you bastard~~desu Yuri is life. Now, break a sweat. ★May the stars shine upon you.★ |
Apr 28, 8:37 AM
#17
Reply to SuperAdventure
@The_Blue_Lotus No I don't agree this at all. WTF do you mean "relativity" you say that 4 times and your entire take hinges on that word and I've never seen anyone comment on an anime by saying that.
Nowhere did I say the anime "glamorizes" Nagano's workplace; nowhere did I say it "endorses" the lifestyle. Of course I have a western perspective; that's whereI'm from and so are you- there's no escaping that. I think you misread my comment- I explained what my issue with it was.
Senko has a passive role. But could have used her influence to point him in the right direction.
Nowhere did I say the anime "glamorizes" Nagano's workplace; nowhere did I say it "endorses" the lifestyle. Of course I have a western perspective; that's whereI'm from and so are you- there's no escaping that. I think you misread my comment- I explained what my issue with it was.
Senko has a passive role. But could have used her influence to point him in the right direction.
| @SuperAdventure If I might add something, anime is fiction. You play on purpose on a real life trope and exaggerate it for comedic effects. Senko-san is so cute it plays on the contrast it brings to the overworked protagonist. Of course, in real world Japan had a cancerous work culture, everyone knows that, but it is migrating more toward Western style work hours. There have even been laws being passed to avoid abusive extra hours and "don't leave before your boss" rules. Now, it's going to take a whole generation or two, but things are changing there, depending on the sector and area. And who wouldn't want a cute Senko-san afterwork? And you don't need to be a relatively abused slave corporate to enjoy Iyashikei. You can enjoy it after more regular shift hours too. And Senko-san is so cute~♥ Did I mention how FREAKING ADORABLE SHE IS? |
There is only one truth in this world かわいいは正義 Also, robots are your friends ✿❀(*ᴗ͈ˬᴗ͈)ꕤ*.゚⋆˚✿˖° Check our anime affinity, Senpai! Fellow cute girl lovers FR accepted. Watch NGNL, ฅ^•ﻌ•^ฅ you bastard~~desu Yuri is life. Now, break a sweat. ★May the stars shine upon you.★ |
Apr 28, 8:38 AM
#18
Reply to mshfqtny
@Yotsuba84 the show does treat it like an illness that needs to be cured
| @mshfqtny i never saw Rikka taking her meds, and everyone is just playing along with her hallucinations, what is probably the worst thing, what you can do with someone, who has schizophrenia. |
Apr 28, 9:01 AM
#19
Reply to SuperAdventure
@The_Blue_Lotus No I don't agree this at all. WTF do you mean "relativity" you say that 4 times and your entire take hinges on that word and I've never seen anyone comment on an anime by saying that.
Nowhere did I say the anime "glamorizes" Nagano's workplace; nowhere did I say it "endorses" the lifestyle. Of course I have a western perspective; that's whereI'm from and so are you- there's no escaping that. I think you misread my comment- I explained what my issue with it was.
Senko has a passive role. But could have used her influence to point him in the right direction.
Nowhere did I say the anime "glamorizes" Nagano's workplace; nowhere did I say it "endorses" the lifestyle. Of course I have a western perspective; that's whereI'm from and so are you- there's no escaping that. I think you misread my comment- I explained what my issue with it was.
Senko has a passive role. But could have used her influence to point him in the right direction.
| @SuperAdventure SuperAdventure said: No I don't agree this at all. WTF do you mean "relativity" you say that 4 times and your entire take hinges on that word and I've never seen anyone comment on an anime by saying that. Yeah, no shit nobody is saying that because no Japanese salaryman Senko-san was made for lurks these forums to share their opinions. But let me tell you, if they did you would realize what I meant when I said "relatability" (that's what I was trying to say, read my comment correctly, please) and why I put so much emphasis on that word. The fact you can't see something doesn't necessarly mean it doesn't exist, you should know that by this point. SuperAdventure said: I think you misread my comment- I explained what my issue with it was. Senko has a passive role. But could have used her influence to point him in the right direction. But then the show would have lost its purpose as a simple, relatable piece of media overworked salaryman can watch and feel comforted by seeign a main character that's SIMILAR to them in situations they would like to be in. And, as I stated before, many of these salaryman can't get out of their jobs for a variety of reasons, and as such, making Senko pull Nakano out of his work would make him less similar and as such relatable to the core audience of the show. I repeat one more time, in case I didn't make myself clear: Senko-san is an anime created to comfort a certain audience by showing difficult situations they can't relate to and them beign (the situations) beign aliviated. Many of them can't get out of those situations IRL so making the show do so would make it less relatable and betray the core principle it was created for. That's why it is a bad idea to so. I am sorry if I didn't make myself clear on my previous comment, but I think you are the one who misread my text, man... |
Apr 28, 9:08 AM
#20
Reply to Eldinis
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni
I had tried a few times to watch it for someone, but I just can't get hooked by the impotency of the characters.
It's like saying the anime message is this world is crazy, the characters are powerless, they are also as crazy as the world.
...
Wow I actually have an unpopular opinion on something ♪
I had tried a few times to watch it for someone, but I just can't get hooked by the impotency of the characters.
It's like saying the anime message is this world is crazy, the characters are powerless, they are also as crazy as the world.
...
Wow I actually have an unpopular opinion on something ♪
| @Eldinis Eldinis said: It's like saying the anime message is this world is crazy, the characters are powerless, they are also as crazy as the world. I mean, isn't this how things work IRL, tho? The world goes forward, often in a direction we don't personally aprove of, and we just have to go with it. Neither of us are realistically significant enough to do any significant change for that matter and let the world do whatever it wants with us in order to stay afloat. I bit disheartening, I know, but it isn't the fault of the anime that things are that way... |
Apr 28, 9:15 AM
#21
Reply to The_Blue_Lotus
@Eldinis
I mean, isn't this how things work IRL, tho?
The world goes forward, often in a direction we don't personally aprove of, and we just have to go with it. Neither of us are realistically significant enough to do any significant change for that matter and let the world do whatever it wants with us in order to stay afloat.
I bit disheartening, I know, but it isn't the fault of the anime that things are that way...
Eldinis said:
It's like saying the anime message is this world is crazy, the characters are powerless, they are also as crazy as the world.
It's like saying the anime message is this world is crazy, the characters are powerless, they are also as crazy as the world.
I mean, isn't this how things work IRL, tho?
The world goes forward, often in a direction we don't personally aprove of, and we just have to go with it. Neither of us are realistically significant enough to do any significant change for that matter and let the world do whatever it wants with us in order to stay afloat.
I bit disheartening, I know, but it isn't the fault of the anime that things are that way...
| @The_Blue_Lotus Oh hum I meant the series world. It is set in MyAnimeList said: the quiet little village of Hinamizawa in the summer of 1983 But, yea, on top of my head, I can't think of an anime with a deep message I don't like. |
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Apr 28, 9:26 AM
#22
Reply to Eldinis
@The_Blue_Lotus Oh hum I meant the series world. It is set in
But, yea, on top of my head, I can't think of an anime with a deep message I don't like.
MyAnimeList said:
the quiet little village of Hinamizawa in the summer of 1983
the quiet little village of Hinamizawa in the summer of 1983
But, yea, on top of my head, I can't think of an anime with a deep message I don't like.
| @Eldinis But isn't Higurashi supposed to be our own world but with supernatural stuff and the such? I think treating the two as the same isn't that far off, you know. |
Apr 28, 9:30 AM
#23
Reply to The_Blue_Lotus
@Eldinis
But isn't Higurashi supposed to be our own world but with supernatural stuff and the such? I think treating the two as the same isn't that far off, you know.
But isn't Higurashi supposed to be our own world but with supernatural stuff and the such? I think treating the two as the same isn't that far off, you know.
| @The_Blue_Lotus I'm not sure you could or should extend that village setting to the whole planet... but anything goes with a little extrapolation if you want to. |
There is only one truth in this world かわいいは正義 Also, robots are your friends ✿❀(*ᴗ͈ˬᴗ͈)ꕤ*.゚⋆˚✿˖° Check our anime affinity, Senpai! Fellow cute girl lovers FR accepted. Watch NGNL, ฅ^•ﻌ•^ฅ you bastard~~desu Yuri is life. Now, break a sweat. ★May the stars shine upon you.★ |
Apr 28, 9:31 AM
#24
| Redo of Healer. I have not watched it... yet, but i don't like how the main character acts in his revenge. I have nothing against revenge or anything, i like revenge focosud stories and i have nothing against people/characters who fight back, but this kinda revenge is inhumen. ( My rod or this rod.) |
Apr 28, 9:34 AM
#25
Reply to Yotsuba84
@mshfqtny i never saw Rikka taking her meds, and everyone is just playing along with her hallucinations, what is probably the worst thing, what you can do with someone, who has schizophrenia.
| @Yotsuba84 bruh the whole anime is literally them trying to deal with her problem. Whenever her sister appears she's all about curing her. |
Apr 28, 9:36 AM
#26
Reply to Eldinis
@The_Blue_Lotus I'm not sure you could or should extend that village setting to the whole planet... but anything goes with a little extrapolation if you want to.
| @Eldinis Yeah, that's what I was trying to say; it might not be a 1:1 correlation but with a little jib jab here and there you can see how it could extrapolate to the whole human race. |
Apr 28, 9:37 AM
#27
| Whenever fantasy anime do the shtick of different races getting along are going to solve all political problems, completely ignoring the conflict of interest that led to the tension in the first place. |
Apr 28, 9:46 AM
#28
| No - First of all, I would say that virtually all have some "message" in the sense of transmitting some basic ideas and beliefs about the way "things are" and the world does or ideally should work. That tends to happen even without a knowing deliberate intention, often implicitly and unconsciously and coming out in art, as many people with beliefs don't even necessarily recognize them as "beliefs". That's the first issue. Many people take their most deeply-held beliefs as an automatic and natural given, even when it factually isn't the case. Some have a very vague and loose message extremely subject to multiple varying interpretations. Some have a more highly specific, concrete, and explicitly spelled out one voiced by lines of monologue or dialogue by the characters themselves in the cases where it's implied to be the voice of the show itself (i.e. the writer/original author), which doesn't correlate with most characters' speech. Sometimes that can be a bit jarring or immersion-breaking if it's executed in a clumsy and hamfisted manner. Sometimes there is one, sometimes there are three or five or many, almost uncountable different "messages". But in any case, while like most cognizant and thinking people with an opinion, I do have some political, religious/spiritual, and more specific personal idiosyncratic ethical-type views, I don't necessitate the show or film I'm watching to share or reflect them at all as a prerequisite to watching and enjoying. There will always be some I agree with more than others and some I disagree with slightly or even strongly and vehemently, but it won't cause me to dislike the show or lower my overall rating or general estimation and view of it, as I don't adhere to a universalist view and conception of the world where everyone and everything must be an extension and emulation of my own personal subjective beliefs. Eldinis said: Higurashi no Naku Koro ni I had tried a few times to watch it for someone, but I just can't get hooked by the impotency of the characters. It's like saying the anime message is this world is crazy, the characters are powerless, they are also as crazy as the world. How far into it have you watched? Because the reason some characters seem and some characters act "crazy" is all very much explained. |
WatchTillTandavaApr 28, 10:26 AM
Apr 28, 9:54 AM
#29
| Quite a bit to mention,but messages that I hate and sometimes turn me off entirely -"Life isn't that bad"-IN A FUCKING post-apocalyptic world or a dystopia aight fam -Characters that can't kill when the anime is centered completely around violence -"There is always hope"-When the setting clearly shows the opposite,that's a speedrun drop -"Friendship overcomes anything"-Do I even have to say smth here? And that list kinda goes on |
| Can I Still Go To Heaven If I Kill Myself? |
Apr 28, 10:02 AM
#30
Reply to WatchTillTandava
No - First of all, I would say that virtually all have some "message" in the sense of transmitting some basic ideas and beliefs about the way "things are" and the world does or ideally should work. That tends to happen even without a knowing deliberate intention, often implicitly and unconsciously and coming out in art, as many people with beliefs don't even necessarily recognize them as "beliefs". That's the first issue. Many people take their most deeply-held beliefs as an automatic and natural given, even when it factually isn't the case.
Some have a very vague and loose message extremely subject to multiple varying interpretations. Some have a more highly specific, concrete, and explicitly spelled out one voiced by lines of monologue or dialogue by the characters themselves in the cases where it's implied to be the voice of the show itself (i.e. the writer/original author), which doesn't correlate with most characters' speech. Sometimes that can be a bit jarring or immersion-breaking if it's executed in a clumsy and hamfisted manner. Sometimes there is one, sometimes there are three or five or many, almost uncountable different "messages".
But in any case, while like most cognizant and thinking people with an opinion, I do have some political, religious/spiritual, and more specific personal idiosyncratic ethical-type views, I don't necessitate the show or film I'm watching to share or reflect them at all as a prerequisite to watching and enjoying.
There will always be some I agree with more than others and some I disagree with slightly or even strongly and vehemently, but it won't cause me to dislike the show or lower my overall rating or general estimation and view of it, as I don't adhere to a universalist view and conception of the world where everyone and everything must be an extension and emulation of my own personal subjective beliefs.
How far into it have you watched? Because the reason some characters seem and some characters act "crazy" is all very much explained.
Some have a very vague and loose message extremely subject to multiple varying interpretations. Some have a more highly specific, concrete, and explicitly spelled out one voiced by lines of monologue or dialogue by the characters themselves in the cases where it's implied to be the voice of the show itself (i.e. the writer/original author), which doesn't correlate with most characters' speech. Sometimes that can be a bit jarring or immersion-breaking if it's executed in a clumsy and hamfisted manner. Sometimes there is one, sometimes there are three or five or many, almost uncountable different "messages".
But in any case, while like most cognizant and thinking people with an opinion, I do have some political, religious/spiritual, and more specific personal idiosyncratic ethical-type views, I don't necessitate the show or film I'm watching to share or reflect them at all as a prerequisite to watching and enjoying.
There will always be some I agree with more than others and some I disagree with slightly or even strongly and vehemently, but it won't cause me to dislike the show or lower my overall rating or general estimation and view of it, as I don't adhere to a universalist view and conception of the world where everyone and everything must be an extension and emulation of my own personal subjective beliefs.
Eldinis said:
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni
I had tried a few times to watch it for someone, but I just can't get hooked by the impotency of the characters.
It's like saying the anime message is this world is crazy, the characters are powerless, they are also as crazy as the world.
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni
I had tried a few times to watch it for someone, but I just can't get hooked by the impotency of the characters.
It's like saying the anime message is this world is crazy, the characters are powerless, they are also as crazy as the world.
How far into it have you watched? Because the reason some characters seem and some characters act "crazy" is all very much explained.
| @WatchTillTandava Like 1 and 1.5 episode? I guess it's just too spooky chilly for me lol. |
There is only one truth in this world かわいいは正義 Also, robots are your friends ✿❀(*ᴗ͈ˬᴗ͈)ꕤ*.゚⋆˚✿˖° Check our anime affinity, Senpai! Fellow cute girl lovers FR accepted. Watch NGNL, ฅ^•ﻌ•^ฅ you bastard~~desu Yuri is life. Now, break a sweat. ★May the stars shine upon you.★ |
Apr 28, 10:07 AM
#31
Reply to mshfqtny
@Yotsuba84 bruh the whole anime is literally them trying to deal with her problem. Whenever her sister appears she's all about curing her.
| @mshfqtny they are trying to "cope" with "chuunibyou" and not with "schizophrenia", and schizophrenia is incurable according to current science, so this whole premise is misleading and harmless. ... my main problem is that this anime is trying to romanticize an illness, after all. |
Yotsuba84Apr 28, 10:11 AM
Apr 28, 10:13 AM
#32
| I don't think it's necessarily the main point of the show but one of the arcs for Welcome to the NHK had a full-on monologue about a pet peeve of mine that killed my enjoyment for the series. I absolutely despise when people are like "erm, if you kill yourself, you're a selfish piece of shit!" Especially when in the same episode the people trying to kill themselves got what they wanted. For example, Hitomi tries to kill herself and is rewarded by her boyfriend/fiancee taking the next step in the relationship with her. I'm not saying that this part is what they intended to say but I mean, you gave me 2 points and a Sharpie. I've never been completely turned off an anime for this but I also hate characters who (in the context of a battle shounen/battle-oriented series) refuse to hit women. It just comes off as condescending when a woman could have the Nuke-Nuke Fruit and Sanji will just go "yeah, but she's hot!" Obviously, in real life, you shouldn't be hitting anyone, but if you won't fight half of the human race in a series oriented on fighting people, you deserve to get your ass whooped. |
Apr 28, 10:17 AM
#33
Reply to Supersonic_Pain
I don't think it's necessarily the main point of the show but one of the arcs for Welcome to the NHK had a full-on monologue about a pet peeve of mine that killed my enjoyment for the series. I absolutely despise when people are like
"erm, if you kill yourself, you're a selfish piece of shit!"
Especially when in the same episode
the people trying to kill themselves got what they wanted. For example, Hitomi tries to kill herself and is rewarded by her boyfriend/fiancee taking the next step in the relationship with her. I'm not saying that this part is what they intended to say but I mean, you gave me 2 points and a Sharpie.
I've never been completely turned off an anime for this but I also hate characters who (in the context of a battle shounen/battle-oriented series) refuse to hit women. It just comes off as condescending when a woman could have the Nuke-Nuke Fruit and Sanji will just go "yeah, but she's hot!"
Obviously, in real life, you shouldn't be hitting anyone, but if you won't fight half of the human race in a series oriented on fighting people, you deserve to get your ass whooped.
"erm, if you kill yourself, you're a selfish piece of shit!"
Especially when in the same episode
the people trying to kill themselves got what they wanted. For example, Hitomi tries to kill herself and is rewarded by her boyfriend/fiancee taking the next step in the relationship with her. I'm not saying that this part is what they intended to say but I mean, you gave me 2 points and a Sharpie.
I've never been completely turned off an anime for this but I also hate characters who (in the context of a battle shounen/battle-oriented series) refuse to hit women. It just comes off as condescending when a woman could have the Nuke-Nuke Fruit and Sanji will just go "yeah, but she's hot!"
Obviously, in real life, you shouldn't be hitting anyone, but if you won't fight half of the human race in a series oriented on fighting people, you deserve to get your ass whooped.
| @Supersonic_Pain I had already forgotten about it, but you are absolutely right about NHK. |
Apr 28, 10:17 AM
#34
Eldinis said: Like 1 and 1.5 episode? I guess it's just too spooky chilly for me lol. Oh yeah - The first season has 26 episodes and it isn't explained in an understandable manner until past that into the second season, so a lot of people give up in frustration or disgust long before that. It's pretty non-viewer-friendly in that way. |
Apr 28, 10:17 AM
#35
| It doesn't happen very often, since messages tend to get muddled when they're challenging or complicated... MelodyOfMemory said: Wonder Egg Priority. Yeah, this show said some stuff I was deeply uncomfortable with. It wasn't just what you said, either. There was some insinuation that teen suicides are "a problem that girls have," because they're too emotional and can't think clearly... Even mechanical girls are like this, apparently, with the jealous, murderous AI girl. I can't remember in what context that was said (I think it was the mannequins in the garden), but I did interpret it as the show saying that genuinely. I went, yikes. |
Apr 28, 10:24 AM
#36
Reply to mshfqtny
@Yotsuba84 the show does treat it like an illness that needs to be cured
| @mshfqtny The problem is forcing the person into it. If anything, the real message is that everybody grieves in their own way. |
Apr 28, 10:25 AM
#37
Reply to perseii
It doesn't happen very often, since messages tend to get muddled when they're challenging or complicated...
Yeah, this show said some stuff I was deeply uncomfortable with.
It wasn't just what you said, either.
There was some insinuation that teen suicides are "a problem that girls have," because they're too emotional and can't think clearly... Even mechanical girls are like this, apparently, with the jealous, murderous AI girl.
I can't remember in what context that was said (I think it was the mannequins in the garden), but I did interpret it as the show saying that genuinely.
I went, yikes.
MelodyOfMemory said:
Wonder Egg Priority.
Wonder Egg Priority.
Yeah, this show said some stuff I was deeply uncomfortable with.
It wasn't just what you said, either.
There was some insinuation that teen suicides are "a problem that girls have," because they're too emotional and can't think clearly... Even mechanical girls are like this, apparently, with the jealous, murderous AI girl.
I can't remember in what context that was said (I think it was the mannequins in the garden), but I did interpret it as the show saying that genuinely.
I went, yikes.
| @perseii The creators outright said that you weren't meant to take that seriously. |
Apr 28, 10:27 AM
#38
| Usagi Drop because it says getting with and banging your adopted child is okay. |
Apr 28, 10:30 AM
#39
Reply to Joe_Devaney
@mshfqtny The problem is forcing the person into it. If anything, the real message is that everybody grieves in their own way.
| @Joe_Devaney No, the show tries to portray schizophrenia as something fun in the guise of chuunibyou... But it's not. It's a mental disorder, a horrible illness.. |
Apr 28, 10:30 AM
#40
Apr 28, 10:36 AM
#41
Reply to Yotsuba84
@Joe_Devaney No, the show tries to portray schizophrenia as something fun in the guise of chuunibyou... But it's not. It's a mental disorder, a horrible illness..
| @Yotsuba84 When was it ever said that anyone has schizophrenia? You seem to have misinterpreted it. |
Apr 28, 10:39 AM
#42
Reply to ApfelMyName
Redo of Healer. I have not watched it... yet, but i don't like how the main character acts in his revenge. I have nothing against revenge or anything, i like revenge focosud stories and i have nothing against people/characters who fight back, but this kinda revenge is inhumen. ( My rod or this rod.)
| @ApfelMyName Completely agree. If revenge makes you as bad as the one you're getting revenge on, it's not worth it. That's why I like Gun x Sword i.e. it has a protagonist who approaches revenge the right way. |
Apr 28, 10:39 AM
#43
aweebwhoexists said: Usagi Drop because it says getting with and banging your adopted child is okay. The anime doesn't say that because nothing like that ever even happens in the anime. The anime ends with Rin as an elementary school-aged child. That only happens in the manga. Two different works. And even as such, just depiction of something alone isn't necessarily an endorsement of it (not saying it is or it isn't in the manga's case as I haven't read it in order to judge). |
Apr 28, 10:45 AM
#44
Reply to Joe_Devaney
@Yotsuba84 When was it ever said that anyone has schizophrenia? You seem to have misinterpreted it.
| @Joe_Devaney Rikka had a lot of audiovisual hallucinations, which is the most common symptom of schizophrenia. This whole chuunibyou thing is just a metaphor for schizophrenia, but in real life it's much worse... |
Apr 28, 10:48 AM
#45
Reply to Joe_Devaney
@perseii The creators outright said that you weren't meant to take that seriously.
| @Joe_Devaney Really? It just meshed really well with the vaguely misogynistic tone... To be generous, a case of muddled messages, then. It might be why the writers felt the need to come out and clarify it. |
Apr 28, 10:52 AM
#46
Reply to WatchTillTandava
aweebwhoexists said:
Usagi Drop because it says getting with and banging your adopted child is okay.
Usagi Drop because it says getting with and banging your adopted child is okay.
The anime doesn't say that because nothing like that ever even happens in the anime. The anime ends with Rin as an elementary school-aged child. That only happens in the manga. Two different works.
And even as such, just depiction of something alone isn't necessarily an endorsement of it (not saying it is or it isn't in the manga's case as I haven't read it in order to judge).
| @WatchTillTandava I meant the manga sadly, yeah. That's true that they cut that out of the anime adaptation. And yeah technically the post was talking about anime specifically, but I kinda see anime and manga as two halves of the same whole so that's what I meant. |
Apr 28, 11:00 AM
#47
Reply to aweebwhoexists
@WatchTillTandava I meant the manga sadly, yeah. That's true that they cut that out of the anime adaptation. And yeah technically the post was talking about anime specifically, but I kinda see anime and manga as two halves of the same whole so that's what I meant.
aweebwhoexists said: Usagi Drop because it says getting with and banging your adopted child is okay. aweebwhoexists said: I meant the manga sadly, yeah. That's true that they cut that out of the anime adaptation. And yeah technically the post was talking about anime specifically, but I kinda see anime and manga as two halves of the same whole so that's what I meant. @aweebwhoexists I learnt something about one of my favorite anime today... MY EYEEEEEEEEEEEES |
There is only one truth in this world かわいいは正義 Also, robots are your friends ✿❀(*ᴗ͈ˬᴗ͈)ꕤ*.゚⋆˚✿˖° Check our anime affinity, Senpai! Fellow cute girl lovers FR accepted. Watch NGNL, ฅ^•ﻌ•^ฅ you bastard~~desu Yuri is life. Now, break a sweat. ★May the stars shine upon you.★ |
Apr 28, 11:08 AM
#48
| Heroine Tarumono! "It's okay if you're a toxic batshit crazy idol fan, you're essential to the popularity of 2 guys who are mean to me" the premise was that this girl who knew nothing about boy bands get an assistant job and suddenly harrassed by the closed doors attitude of the 2 guys who doesn't like her. you'd think their attitude would change because they're overreliant and can't do shit without her. nah they're still egotistic and tells her to do shit for them and she happily agrees. the worst part is that the FMC was a really good character and would stand up for herself, and knew what's right and wrong, didn't care about the boy band. Then they "developed" her into another fan who excuses their behavior and she was the one who apologized for the toxic fan stalking, harassing, and scandalizing her life all because she's a fan and that's just what fans do adoy. |
Apr 28, 11:18 AM
#49
| Idk, Platinum End I guess XD. I never finished the anime (because I hated it) but I know the ending and that shit just sounds plainly idiotic. |
| "Those words are meant for those that dare defy god's final warning... An epigraph of their stubbornness" - Maho Hiyajo (Steins;Gate 0) |
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