| Sometimes I seriously question the taste of the Japanese audience, no offense intended. How else can you explain this? One of the worst anime of Spring 2025, TBATE, ends up being one of the most popular in Japan. And unsurprisingly, it'll also receive multiple sequels. The same goes for shows like- Reborn as a Vending Machine and In Another World With My Smartphone. Despite their questionable quality, they keep getting sequels, while many genuinely decent anime are put on hold or never even considered, just because they’re not “popular” enough in Japan. It’s honestly frustrating. |
  ℓαυgнтєя мαкєѕ тнє ωσяℓ∂ ѕραякℓє!  » Yoko Honna - Country Road « 0:01 ─〇────── 4:25 ↺ |◁ II ▷| ♡ |
| If you thought japan had bad taste wait until you see the abomination of the western entertainment industry. |
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| I'm genuinely surprised relatively few people watch Hyperdimension Neptunia and Senran Kagura. |
nirererin said: TBATE, ends up being one of the most popular in Japan I see it's ranked 4th on MAL's seasonal list by popularity, so it must be reasonably popular in the English-speaking world, too. Unless you have solid information that shows it's massive in Japan and only in Japan? |
| i've got news for you op, if you think Japanese audiences are the only ones who like trashy isekai |
| Never forget that Boss Baby beat A Silent Voice in the 2017 Oscars. |
| The Japanese audience does seem to enjoy plenty of average isekai anime a bit too much, but it's not like things are any better in the West (e.g. Solo Leveling, which flopped in Japan). P.S. The Vending Machine isekai is fun and fairly unique, the MC actually remains a vending machine unlike the many isekai that abandon their premise after the first few episodes. |
| I tend to hold Japanese taste in higher esteem, with Gundam SEED as a noteworthy exception. It really shouldn't be surprising that Japanese people have a better understanding of their own country's industry, on average. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| i think the old joke is that Japanese audiences loved SEED way too much, and western audiences loved Wing way too much |
| Yeah, anime is meant for japanese people, you think they care about your bozo opinions??? |
| Mainstream is mainstream for a reason,in any country For example GoT is one of the most popular tv series worldwide,how is it different from the average isekai ? |
| Can I Still Go To Heaven If I Kill Myself? |
perseii said: nirererin said: TBATE, ends up being one of the most popular in Japan I see it's ranked 4th on MAL's seasonal list by popularity, so it must be reasonably popular in the English-speaking world, too. Unless you have solid information that shows it's massive in Japan and only in Japan? Check out this- https://www.animesenpai.net/the-beginning-after-the-end-anime-is-surprisingly-a-hit-in-japan-despite-backlash-overseas/ On Netflix Japan, TBATE has been the third most-watched currently airing anime for three weeks straight, only behind One Piece and Fire Force. On d Anime Store, which caters to dedicated anime fans, it ranks #2, with only The Apothecary Diaries ahead. On ABEMA, a major simulcast platform, it holds the same position, #2. Despite the animation massacre, things are still running smoothly with mainstream hits like One Piece and Fire Force; both of which were highly anticipated this season after a long hiatus. So, I think the popularity of TBATE in Japan is absolutely insane. |
ℓαυgнтєя мαкєѕ тнє ωσяℓ∂ ѕραякℓє! » Yoko Honna - Country Road « 0:01 ─〇────── 4:25 ↺ |◁ II ▷| ♡ |
| there also have been shows which get sequels specifically because of being big hits overseas. not every media market is identical, stuff can flop or become a hit for any number of reasons, be it cultural, to marketing, to distribution. |
Lentus1 said: Yeah, anime is meant for japanese people, you think they care about your bozo opinions??? Why not, right? When a show goes mainstream, you'd think it should cater to a broad, diverse audience; not just a small circle of domestic fans who treat mediocre plots like hidden gems. But sadly, logic takes the backseat. Instead, we get flooded with sequels nobody asked for, all because a comparatively small but loud fanbase in Japan decided it was peak storytelling. Meanwhile, a genuinely good series with solid writing, character development, and originality are left gathering dust. It’s almost like quality is optional as long as the merch sells and the Blu-rays move. |
ℓαυgнтєя мαкєѕ тнє ωσяℓ∂ ѕραякℓє! » Yoko Honna - Country Road « 0:01 ─〇────── 4:25 ↺ |◁ II ▷| ♡ |
Reply to nirererin
Lentus1 said:
Yeah, anime is meant for japanese people, you think they care about your bozo opinions???
Yeah, anime is meant for japanese people, you think they care about your bozo opinions???
Why not, right? When a show goes mainstream, you'd think it should cater to a broad, diverse audience; not just a small circle of domestic fans who treat mediocre plots like hidden gems. But sadly, logic takes the backseat. Instead, we get flooded with sequels nobody asked for, all because a comparatively small but loud fanbase in Japan decided it was peak storytelling. Meanwhile, a genuinely good series with solid writing, character development, and originality are left gathering dust. It’s almost like quality is optional as long as the merch sells and the Blu-rays move.
nirererin said: it should cater to a broad, diverse audience; You just wrote the exact recipe for disaster here and you expect me to agree with you? |
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Lentus1 said:
Yeah, anime is meant for japanese people, you think they care about your bozo opinions???
Yeah, anime is meant for japanese people, you think they care about your bozo opinions???
Why not, right? When a show goes mainstream, you'd think it should cater to a broad, diverse audience; not just a small circle of domestic fans who treat mediocre plots like hidden gems. But sadly, logic takes the backseat. Instead, we get flooded with sequels nobody asked for, all because a comparatively small but loud fanbase in Japan decided it was peak storytelling. Meanwhile, a genuinely good series with solid writing, character development, and originality are left gathering dust. It’s almost like quality is optional as long as the merch sells and the Blu-rays move.
| @nirererin nirererin said: Absolutely FUCKING not! The whole reason I watch anime is because it doesn't cater to a shitty western viewpoint and doesn't contain western propaganda. The problem with anime going mainstream is now we have bandwagoners like you joining in and trying to change shit to fit your and only your shitty tastes. God I hate normies like you 🤮🤮🤮cater to a broad, diverse audience; |
Lentus1 said: nirererin said: it should cater to a broad, diverse audience; You just wrote the exact recipe for disaster here and you expect me to agree with you? I am just sharing my opinion, it's up to you if you agree with it or not. |
ℓαυgнтєя мαкєѕ тнє ωσяℓ∂ ѕραякℓє! » Yoko Honna - Country Road « 0:01 ─〇────── 4:25 ↺ |◁ II ▷| ♡ |
| i have been hearing this kind of thing ever since people got mad that SOL/CGDCT shows were popular. "the show i liked wasn't a hit" is not a reason to blame an entire nation for not sharing your taste |
| No they have more advance taste we just don't understand yet that Doraemon and Pokémon are actually the best anime of all time. |
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| actually i agree with the op because I like spicy food and you can't really get that from a lot of Japanese dishes, Korea wins again |
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@nirererin
nirererin said:
cater to a broad, diverse audience;
Absolutely FUCKING not! The whole reason I watch anime is because it doesn't cater to a shitty western viewpoint and doesn't contain western propaganda. The problem with anime going mainstream is now we have bandwagoners like you joining in and trying to change shit to fit your and only your shitty tastes. God I hate normies like you 🤮🤮🤮cater to a broad, diverse audience;
| @phantom346 You clearly missed the point. Nobody's asking for anime to be flooded with Western values or propaganda; just that good stories with broader appeal shouldn’t be ignored in favor of safe, formulaic cash grabs what is recently turn into a trend. It’s wild how you scream about "normies" while gatekeeping a medium that’s literally global now. Anime’s popularity outside of the Japan is one of the big reason it even gets the funding it does today. If that offends you that deeply, then maybe the problem isn’t with the audience but with your fragile sense of identity tied to a cartoon hobby. |
ℓαυgнтєя мαкєѕ тнє ωσяℓ∂ ѕραякℓє! » Yoko Honna - Country Road « 0:01 ─〇────── 4:25 ↺ |◁ II ▷| ♡ |
| Why do you think we have an abundance of borderline AI generated isekai garbage and bottom of the barrel like Spirit Cronicles, Gorilla Isekai or Smartphone Isekai even received sequels? |
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| Yyyyyyyyyup. Way too many lifeless isekai year in and year out (among other tropes that get way overused). nirererin said: Why not, right? When a show goes mainstream, you'd think it should cater to a broad, diverse audience; not just a small circle of domestic fans who treat mediocre plots like hidden gems. But sadly, logic takes the backseat. Instead, we get flooded with sequels nobody asked for, all because a comparatively small but loud fanbase in Japan decided it was peak storytelling. Meanwhile, a genuinely good series with solid writing, character development, and originality are left gathering dust. It’s almost like quality is optional as long as the merch sells and the Blu-rays move. I also agree here. Too many anime seem to just want to pander to a small number of shut ins. They are outnumbered heavily by average joes, and it could serve studios well to try targeting them instead. And it doesn't even need to be aimed at foreigners - just make something for the Japanese folks who have hobbies and personalities that extend beyond anime and video games and it would certainly have some success overseas, too. I think part of the issue is they can cut costs on staffing by just adapting a completed work of a light novel or manga, and those materials are themselves just aiming at the loner types, and the fact that their target audience doesn't seem to have any sort of standards other than wish fulfillment main characters. |
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perseii said:
I see it's ranked 4th on MAL's seasonal list by popularity, so it must be reasonably popular in the English-speaking world, too.
Unless you have solid information that shows it's massive in Japan and only in Japan?
nirererin said:
TBATE, ends up being one of the most popular in Japan
TBATE, ends up being one of the most popular in Japan
I see it's ranked 4th on MAL's seasonal list by popularity, so it must be reasonably popular in the English-speaking world, too.
Unless you have solid information that shows it's massive in Japan and only in Japan?
Check out this-
https://www.animesenpai.net/the-beginning-after-the-end-anime-is-surprisingly-a-hit-in-japan-despite-backlash-overseas/
On Netflix Japan, TBATE has been the third most-watched currently airing anime for three weeks straight, only behind One Piece and Fire Force.
On d Anime Store, which caters to dedicated anime fans, it ranks #2, with only The Apothecary Diaries ahead.
On ABEMA, a major simulcast platform, it holds the same position, #2.
On d Anime Store, which caters to dedicated anime fans, it ranks #2, with only The Apothecary Diaries ahead.
On ABEMA, a major simulcast platform, it holds the same position, #2.
Despite the animation massacre, things are still running smoothly with mainstream hits like One Piece and Fire Force; both of which were highly anticipated this season after a long hiatus. So, I think the popularity of TBATE in Japan is absolutely insane.
On Netflix Japan, TBATE has been the third most-watched currently airing anime for three weeks straight, only behind One Piece and Fire Force. On d Anime Store, which caters to dedicated anime fans, it ranks #2, with only The Apothecary Diaries ahead. On ABEMA, a major simulcast platform, it holds the same position, #2. It does seem pretty good. (BTW, I see TBATE in 8th place right now on ABEMA; maybe it fluctuates) But like I said, it's 4th here on MAL by popularity, too. Isekai/reincarnation still seems popular these days, whichever country we're in. |
| There was a link to a Japanese site similar to MAL and their top 10 anime was much better than MAL's, well, with the exception of Tom and Jerry. If anyone have that link it would be nice if they can post it. |
JoeChipApr 25, 12:00 PM
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@nirererin Geeze. More like not catered to you, in this case. I guess logic works if the world only appeases what you like.
| @HokutoMumyoZan Wow, not sure how you managed to twist that into a 'me' problem, but alright. Hate to break it to you, though, it’s not just me whining into the void. Over 50k people have already signed the petition to cancel TBATE. |
ℓαυgнтєя мαкєѕ тнє ωσяℓ∂ ѕραякℓє! » Yoko Honna - Country Road « 0:01 ─〇────── 4:25 ↺ |◁ II ▷| ♡ |
Reply to JoeChip
There was a link to a Japanese site similar to MAL and their top 10 anime was much better than MAL's, well, with the exception of Tom and Jerry. If anyone have that link it would be nice if they can post it.
| @JoeChip the 2ch/4ch top-10 lists are usually pretty similar. there's some big 4ch hits that weren't hugely successful in JP (Flip Flappers being one of the ones off the top of my head) and vice versa, but they're usually really good. |
| Japanese audiences have basically the same taste as Western audiences. Thanks to globalization, every place in the world is basically the same. There are no "regional" cultures anymore. Not that it matters, because humans are headed towards complete extinction, relatively soon. |
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@phantom346 You clearly missed the point. Nobody's asking for anime to be flooded with Western values or propaganda; just that good stories with broader appeal shouldn’t be ignored in favor of safe, formulaic cash grabs what is recently turn into a trend. It’s wild how you scream about "normies" while gatekeeping a medium that’s literally global now. Anime’s popularity outside of the Japan is one of the big reason it even gets the funding it does today. If that offends you that deeply, then maybe the problem isn’t with the audience but with your fragile sense of identity tied to a cartoon hobby.
| @nirererin Anime's popularity outside of Japan has nothing to do with it receiving funding. The only things that receive funding are the things that western companies want to make to sell outside of Japan. Even when those didn't exist, the industry was thriving. So, wrong! Also, if you can't handle criticism without attacking your 'hobby' and degrading it, then you're the one with a fragile ego. " good stories with broader appeal" TBATE has the broad appeal that you're complaining about and how it's too popular. Like I said, the only thing you care about is the garbage that's made for you!! AND you want someone else to stop making products for their own people to appease your own worthless taste. What an arrogant and greedy little man. Just because YOU don't think it's a good story doesn't mean it's not a good story. Your opinion is worthless to anyone but yourself! Do you not see the hypocrisy?!!!! |
| When shit like Rent a Girlfriend has what, 3 or 4 seasons and the author has a cuck fetish, I think should answer the question. Heck, look at most of their hentai, ugly bastard ntr rape shit composes most of it. Really makes you think. |
| "Well, she's flatter than a pancake" -Mimi Alpacas |
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@nirererin Anime's popularity outside of Japan has nothing to do with it receiving funding. The only things that receive funding are the things that western companies want to make to sell outside of Japan. Even when those didn't exist, the industry was thriving. So, wrong! Also, if you can't handle criticism without attacking your 'hobby' and degrading it, then you're the one with a fragile ego.
" good stories with broader appeal" TBATE has the broad appeal that you're complaining about and how it's too popular. Like I said, the only thing you care about is the garbage that's made for you!! AND you want someone else to stop making products for their own people to appease your own worthless taste. What an arrogant and greedy little man. Just because YOU don't think it's a good story doesn't mean it's not a good story. Your opinion is worthless to anyone but yourself!
Do you not see the hypocrisy?!!!!
" good stories with broader appeal" TBATE has the broad appeal that you're complaining about and how it's too popular. Like I said, the only thing you care about is the garbage that's made for you!! AND you want someone else to stop making products for their own people to appease your own worthless taste. What an arrogant and greedy little man. Just because YOU don't think it's a good story doesn't mean it's not a good story. Your opinion is worthless to anyone but yourself!
Do you not see the hypocrisy?!!!!
| @phantom346 Ah, so the global popularity of anime has nothing to do with its success? That’s cute. You really think studios don’t factor in international streaming deals, merch sales, and Blu-ray purchases when deciding what to greenlight? The industry isn’t surviving on Japanese DVD sales alone anymore, welcome to reality. And lol calling me arrogant while yelling at others to shut up and accept your taste as gospel. If TBATE is your gold standard for “broad appeal,” then yeah, I’m happy being on the side that demands better. Criticism isn’t an attack, it’s a standard. Sorry if that rattles your comfort zone of mid storytelling wrapped in hype. But hey, keep shouting “your opinion is worthless” while foaming at the mouth over mine. Totally not ironic at all. |
ℓαυgнтєя мαкєѕ тнє ωσяℓ∂ ѕραякℓє! » Yoko Honna - Country Road « 0:01 ─〇────── 4:25 ↺ |◁ II ▷| ♡ |
| I simply respect Japan's taste for liking Joker Game when majority of MAL found it boring for being episodic and serious. |
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@phantom346 Ah, so the global popularity of anime has nothing to do with its success? That’s cute. You really think studios don’t factor in international streaming deals, merch sales, and Blu-ray purchases when deciding what to greenlight? The industry isn’t surviving on Japanese DVD sales alone anymore, welcome to reality.
And lol calling me arrogant while yelling at others to shut up and accept your taste as gospel. If TBATE is your gold standard for “broad appeal,” then yeah, I’m happy being on the side that demands better. Criticism isn’t an attack, it’s a standard. Sorry if that rattles your comfort zone of mid storytelling wrapped in hype.
But hey, keep shouting “your opinion is worthless” while foaming at the mouth over mine. Totally not ironic at all.
And lol calling me arrogant while yelling at others to shut up and accept your taste as gospel. If TBATE is your gold standard for “broad appeal,” then yeah, I’m happy being on the side that demands better. Criticism isn’t an attack, it’s a standard. Sorry if that rattles your comfort zone of mid storytelling wrapped in hype.
But hey, keep shouting “your opinion is worthless” while foaming at the mouth over mine. Totally not ironic at all.
| @nirererin I couldn't care less what you think about the industry since you won't be doing anything about it besides complaining about it on a forum. I just want you to acknowledge the hypocrisy in asking for 'good' content and positioning yourself as a mainstream anime enjoyer while simultaneously complaining about an anime being too popular. Do you get it now? |
| i have a very loose stereotype that says general audience tastes between JP and the west are more different than "Enthusiast" tastes between JP and the west |
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@nirererin I couldn't care less what you think about the industry since you won't be doing anything about it besides complaining about it on a forum. I just want you to acknowledge the hypocrisy in asking for 'good' content and positioning yourself as a mainstream anime enjoyer while simultaneously complaining about an anime being too popular. Do you get it now?
| @phantom346 Oh, you are finally back to the "normal" 100 size font xD. Anyway, I get it, you think calling out overhyped content means I’m against popularity itself. No, I’m against bad shows being popular for the wrong reasons. You can be mainstream and still have taste; it’s not that deep. |
ℓαυgнтєя мαкєѕ тнє ωσяℓ∂ ѕραякℓє! » Yoko Honna - Country Road « 0:01 ─〇────── 4:25 ↺ |◁ II ▷| ♡ |
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Never forget that Boss Baby beat A Silent Voice in the 2017 Oscars.
| @Paul yeah I never really cared about the Oscars but the fact that they had the audacity to do something that insanely stupid just hammered home how out of touch they are. |
| Well, I think Japanese tastes are very good. It is not like they promote anything illegal. Nor do they promote anything immoral. I find anime very enjoyable to watch. |
| No. I trust Japanese audience tastes over any Western audience tastes. The Western audience is too annoying. They hate everything. Edit: this thread is racist against Japanese people. Someone pls lock this thread. |
ToumaTachibanaApr 26, 8:45 PM
| BANZAI NIPPON. Nippon is the Land of freedom. Nippon is the Land of Peace. Nippon is the Land of Justice and Prosperity. In Nippon, we trust. We love Nippon, we love Anime. Anime love us, Nippon love us. 日本 |
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There was a link to a Japanese site similar to MAL and their top 10 anime was much better than MAL's, well, with the exception of Tom and Jerry. If anyone have that link it would be nice if they can post it.
| @JoeChip what is the name of the Japanese site you are talking about? |
| BANZAI NIPPON. Nippon is the Land of freedom. Nippon is the Land of Peace. Nippon is the Land of Justice and Prosperity. In Nippon, we trust. We love Nippon, we love Anime. Anime love us, Nippon love us. 日本 |
| Yes, Japanese tastes could certainly be improved upon, but you can find worst tastes in individuals from other places. |
Nirinbo said: P.S. The Vending Machine isekai is fun and fairly unique, the MC actually remains a vending machine unlike the many isekai that abandon their premise after the first few episodes. Just wanted to second this. I had never heard of the original web novel or its light novel adaptation which came out long before the creation of the anime, just as I haven't heard of the source material for most anime until I watch them or at least learn of the existence of the anime itself. But when it was announced to be turned into an anime I did read the thread in the news and announcement sub-forum and it did sound too outlandish to be worth a thought in an "Anime industry and artists desperately running out of ideas" kind of way. But that series is a good example and case in point of why I try to give everything a shot if it seems like it will even have the tiniest chance to be interesting. Very refreshing to have a series, a 2020s isekai fantasy one at that, where it actually feels like the main character is challenged to think on their feet nearly every episode to survive and brave dangerous situations. They actually have to use their non-existent head instead of just charging in and swinging their sword or waving their wand to overcome all problems instantly. And wherein they actually commit to handicapping and restricting his abilities like speech/communication and mobility as opposed to doing the opposite, where they usually massively over-power them. It even gets a little introspective at times. The premise may sound too silly to be worthwhile or something, but when you stop to think about it, how many stories have you seen where the main character reincarnates as or otherwise comes to inhabit a normally inanimate object, other than a doll/dummy/puppet which can move and walk and usually speak? There are genies and their lamps, but that's just a house and they're two separate entities. I actually can't think of any and I've seen a hell of a lot of stuff. I may be missing or overlooking something, but it's just that rare at least. And that creates new territory. Ended up being one of my favorite series of 2023. |
WatchTillTandavaApr 25, 2:01 PM
| This sort of shit Isekai gives the genre bad rep🥲. This shits get sequel but it takes years for Konosuba, Re: Zero, Emmince in shadow. And some greats like NGNL straight up gets abandoned. Ah and for the question. Definitely No. I live in India so can tell. And lately the shits that hollywood is spamming out. Compared to them Japanese people have far superior to taste to my liking. There some garbage that goes unfiltered like the examples given. TBATE geniuly shocked me I mean why. Only exaplation is too much hype. Saw somewhere it's rated very poorly in japanese anime sites aswell. So maybe it will drop steadily. |
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