Attack on Titan
The hero of AOT is...
| King Fritz, obviously |
| Dunno how you can choose anyone but Erwin after seeing his final charge. |
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| Mikasa beheaded the one and only love of her life for the good of everyone else, doesn't get much more heroic than that. |
simplescare said: It is obviously floch. He wanted to protect and improve his race. He remained loyal to Eren and did not allied with Reiner,Annie,Gabi and Falco and did not killed his own people. That's called tribalistic, not heroic. |
| To me it’s Erwin |
| If I had to choose between One Piece and a girlfriend...I think I'll go with One Piece |
Reply to riqmoran
Zarutaku said:
That's called tribalistic, not heroic.
simplescare said:
It is obviously floch. He wanted to protect and improve his race. He remained loyal to Eren and did not allied with Reiner,Annie,Gabi and Falco and did not killed his own people.
It is obviously floch. He wanted to protect and improve his race. He remained loyal to Eren and did not allied with Reiner,Annie,Gabi and Falco and did not killed his own people.
That's called tribalistic, not heroic.
Fellas, is it tribalistic to refuse to lay down and die when the entire world declares their intention to commit gebocide against you? 💀
So if the entire world says your whole race needs to die and you respond with no, i dont think i will... Then that is tribalism to you?
| @riqmoran Floch willingly turned a blind eye to the atrocities of his ancestors that lead to this animosity, and he even supported the exact same thing he accused his enemies of, it doesn't get much more tribalistic than that. I'm not saying his enemies weren't tribalistic, they were too, but not as obstinately. |
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Zarutaku said:
@riqmoran Floch willingly turned a blind eye to the atrocities of his ancestors that lead to this animosity, and he even supported the exact same thing he accused his enemies of, it doesn't get much more tribalistic than that. I'm not saying his enemies weren't tribalistic, they were too, but not as obstinately.
@riqmoran Floch willingly turned a blind eye to the atrocities of his ancestors that lead to this animosity, and he even supported the exact same thing he accused his enemies of, it doesn't get much more tribalistic than that. I'm not saying his enemies weren't tribalistic, they were too, but not as obstinately.
First of all, believing that a population who has zero connection to actions done in the past (bc all of the people responsible are long dead) is still guilty of said actions is the height of tribalistic thinking. This idea that sin is inherited is just evil, the people who believe in it in the story are not the good guys, and neither are the people who believe in it in real life.
Secondly, there are a lot of real life issues where identity is the focus of discussion when it shouldn't be. It would be fair to say in those instances that that is tribalism. This isn't such a case. The conflict in this story literally comes down to the very genetic makeup of people, where in one group is saying that another group who is genetically different has to be completely eradicated. Tribalism is when the "us vs them" mentality is forced where it need not apply. The situation in the story is one where one group literally tells a genetically distinct group that they will kill every single one of them. If someome holds a gun to your head and forces you to say a slur, are you then racist? That is the situation in the story. They either unite behind their identity and fight or get killed. That's not much of a choice. To call that prioritization of survival "tribalism" is just stupid.
| @riqmoran Of course there's a connection to the actions of their ancestors, but I didn't say they're guilty of these actions, just that Floch and the Yeagerists willingly turned a blind eye on them, instead of feeling responsible to not repeat similar actions. Speaking of holding people responsible for things they aren't responsible for: not the entire population of non-Eldians wanted the Eldian genocide, there were lots of innocent civilians who just wanted to live in peace, so supporting a complete counter genocide was no less evil and indicates that Floch only cared about his own tribe, indiscriminately disregarded any other casualties, and obstinately tried to prevent an alternative conflict resolution, which even got him killed. |
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Zarutaku said:
@riqmoran Of course there's a connection to the actions of their ancestors, but I didn't say they're guilty of these actions, just that Floch and the Yeagerists willingly turned a blind eye on them, instead of feeling responsible to not repeat similar actions. Speaking of holding people responsible for things they aren't responsible for: not the entire population of non-Eldians wanted the Eldian genocide, there were lots of innocent civilians who just wanted to live in peace, so supporting a complete counter genocide was no less evil and indicates that Floch only cared about his own tribe, indiscriminately disregarded any other casualties, and obstinately tried to prevent an alternative conflict resolution, which even got him killed.
@riqmoran Of course there's a connection to the actions of their ancestors, but I didn't say they're guilty of these actions, just that Floch and the Yeagerists willingly turned a blind eye on them, instead of feeling responsible to not repeat similar actions. Speaking of holding people responsible for things they aren't responsible for: not the entire population of non-Eldians wanted the Eldian genocide, there were lots of innocent civilians who just wanted to live in peace, so supporting a complete counter genocide was no less evil and indicates that Floch only cared about his own tribe, indiscriminately disregarded any other casualties, and obstinately tried to prevent an alternative conflict resolution, which even got him killed.
Yeah, You massacred the soldiers or countrymen of others and expecting them not to counter you in near future despite of their reluctancy of war or battles in some point which makes them innocent somehow as you are saying, isn't a wise idea. Floch mayn't fulfill idealistic standards but his approach was correct at least from the perspective of his countrymen.
As he was continuously thinking about his motherland & his people & scarficed himself for the same. It's indeed a heroic event.
| @Creepy_Realm_ No, retributive genocide isn't "correct", and neither is a preemptive one, both sides were in the wrong, only the tiny group that decided to stop Eren was insightful enough to realize that and acted accordingly, they were the true heroes of the story. |
ZarutakuApr 25, 3:50 AM
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