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Apr 22, 5:03 PM
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AOT is a morally complex show with nuanced morals. But who is the hero? Who is the most heroic?
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It is Floch and it is not close. How is he not here. Did you even read the story 💀
Apr 22, 6:39 PM
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Is it possible to show the results without voting? All the options are stupid it is definitely Floch
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All of them ended up doing things for themselves. Onyankopon tried to remain neutral.
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It is Floch and it is not close. How is he not here. Did you even read the story 💀
@riqmoran Did you?
Apr 22, 7:03 PM
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It's Floch. Why is Connie even here. 💀
Apr 22, 7:40 PM
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King Fritz, obviously
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riqmoran said:
It is Floch and it is not close. How is he not here. Did you even read the story 💀

he is the real hero🔥
Apr 22, 8:51 PM
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Dunno how you can choose anyone but Erwin after seeing his final charge.

Apr 23, 1:09 AM
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voted Levi but forgot about Erwin. Him with out a doubt. He did more for humanity in his time serving than literally any soldier.
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Kampos said:
King Fritz, obviously

Respectable take
Apr 23, 5:11 AM
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I find mikasa as heroic figure in the whole aot
Eren is a egoistic maniac i do like tht
levi is coolest character
erwin is a soldier who gave everything to protect everyone
hange and sasha are the turning point of the storyline and gave the weight to the series

i don't remember others tht much.....
its been years since i saw those first seasons
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Mikasa beheaded the one and only love of her life for the good of everyone else, doesn't get much more heroic than that.
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It is obviously floch. He wanted to protect and improve his race. He remained loyal to Eren and did not allied with Reiner,Annie,Gabi and Falco and did not killed his own people.
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simplescare said:
It is obviously floch. He wanted to protect and improve his race. He remained loyal to Eren and did not allied with Reiner,Annie,Gabi and Falco and did not killed his own people.

That's called tribalistic, not heroic.
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riqmoran said:
It is Floch and it is not close. How is he not here. Did you even read the story 💀

he is not a hero, he is one of the most villainous characters of the show. did you even read the story?
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simplescare said:
It is obviously floch. He wanted to protect and improve his race. He remained loyal to Eren and did not allied with Reiner,Annie,Gabi and Falco and did not killed his own people.

so did A.H. … so what are you trying to say?
Apr 23, 11:13 AM
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The great thing about AoT is that you have so many characters that are amazing, I was thinking of answering this immediately (Levi, Erwin, Reiner..), but each time I tried to think of a character, it has all the grounds to be a hero in its role and capabilities..
If I were to pick, it would probably be Armin, he wasn't unique in a special way (obviously he's intelligent, but that's not necessarily enough), he was filled with doubt, and he wasn't good at combat either, and yet, to overcome all of this, to be trusted by Erwin in the female titan plan, by Levi due to his vision of the future thus rescuing him instead of Erwin, by Mikasa when it comes to Eren (considering that she wouldn't let anyone near him 😂), by Hange to be the 15th commander, and by Eren himself with his plan, and finally by everyone at the end, to be their leader against Eren.. That's just an amazing story of an unpopular hero
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Guys the heroes of the story are literally armin and Mikasa. But Armin is 100% the hero. Erwins the goat but he did what he did for selfish reasons, levi chose armin because of the fact that armin sees the world with hope. Hero.
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Zarutaku said:
simplescare said:
It is obviously floch. He wanted to protect and improve his race. He remained loyal to Eren and did not allied with Reiner,Annie,Gabi and Falco and did not killed his own people.

That's called tribalistic, not heroic.

Fellas, is it tribalistic to refuse to lay down and die when the entire world declares their intention to commit gebocide against you? 💀

So if the entire world says your whole race needs to die and you respond with no, i dont think i will... Then that is tribalism to you?
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To me it’s Erwin
If I had to choose between One Piece and a girlfriend...I think I'll go with One Piece
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Weird that Floch was not an option, but the answer is still Erwin by a mile.
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erwin but why is onyakopon here bro like what
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Zarutaku said:
simplescare said:
It is obviously floch. He wanted to protect and improve his race. He remained loyal to Eren and did not allied with Reiner,Annie,Gabi and Falco and did not killed his own people.

That's called tribalistic, not heroic.

Fellas, is it tribalistic to refuse to lay down and die when the entire world declares their intention to commit gebocide against you? 💀

So if the entire world says your whole race needs to die and you respond with no, i dont think i will... Then that is tribalism to you?
@riqmoran Floch willingly turned a blind eye to the atrocities of his ancestors that lead to this animosity, and he even supported the exact same thing he accused his enemies of, it doesn't get much more tribalistic than that. I'm not saying his enemies weren't tribalistic, they were too, but not as obstinately.
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Hange's sacrifice was the most heroic act in the entire story. No amount of "Floch" or "Erwin" arguments will change my mind.
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simplescare said:
It is obviously floch. He wanted to protect and improve his race. He remained loyal to Eren and did not allied with Reiner,Annie,Gabi and Falco and did not killed his own people.

Ye and let's remember he tried to kill Mikasa and Armin and all their friends.
Floch is a "Jeagerist" without even understanding Eren's plan. More dumb than eroic to me
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Zarutaku said:
@riqmoran Floch willingly turned a blind eye to the atrocities of his ancestors that lead to this animosity, and he even supported the exact same thing he accused his enemies of, it doesn't get much more tribalistic than that. I'm not saying his enemies weren't tribalistic, they were too, but not as obstinately.

First of all, believing that a population who has zero connection to actions done in the past (bc all of the people responsible are long dead) is still guilty of said actions is the height of tribalistic thinking. This idea that sin is inherited is just evil, the people who believe in it in the story are not the good guys, and neither are the people who believe in it in real life.

Secondly, there are a lot of real life issues where identity is the focus of discussion when it shouldn't be. It would be fair to say in those instances that that is tribalism. This isn't such a case. The conflict in this story literally comes down to the very genetic makeup of people, where in one group is saying that another group who is genetically different has to be completely eradicated. Tribalism is when the "us vs them" mentality is forced where it need not apply. The situation in the story is one where one group literally tells a genetically distinct group that they will kill every single one of them. If someome holds a gun to your head and forces you to say a slur, are you then racist? That is the situation in the story. They either unite behind their identity and fight or get killed. That's not much of a choice. To call that prioritization of survival "tribalism" is just stupid.
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@riqmoran Floch willingly turned a blind eye to the atrocities of his ancestors that lead to this animosity, and he even supported the exact same thing he accused his enemies of, it doesn't get much more tribalistic than that. I'm not saying his enemies weren't tribalistic, they were too, but not as obstinately.

First of all, believing that a population who has zero connection to actions done in the past (bc all of the people responsible are long dead) is still guilty of said actions is the height of tribalistic thinking. This idea that sin is inherited is just evil, the people who believe in it in the story are not the good guys, and neither are the people who believe in it in real life.

Secondly, there are a lot of real life issues where identity is the focus of discussion when it shouldn't be. It would be fair to say in those instances that that is tribalism. This isn't such a case. The conflict in this story literally comes down to the very genetic makeup of people, where in one group is saying that another group who is genetically different has to be completely eradicated. Tribalism is when the "us vs them" mentality is forced where it need not apply. The situation in the story is one where one group literally tells a genetically distinct group that they will kill every single one of them. If someome holds a gun to your head and forces you to say a slur, are you then racist? That is the situation in the story. They either unite behind their identity and fight or get killed. That's not much of a choice. To call that prioritization of survival "tribalism" is just stupid.
@riqmoran Of course there's a connection to the actions of their ancestors, but I didn't say they're guilty of these actions, just that Floch and the Yeagerists willingly turned a blind eye on them, instead of feeling responsible to not repeat similar actions. Speaking of holding people responsible for things they aren't responsible for: not the entire population of non-Eldians wanted the Eldian genocide, there were lots of innocent civilians who just wanted to live in peace, so supporting a complete counter genocide was no less evil and indicates that Floch only cared about his own tribe, indiscriminately disregarded any other casualties, and obstinately tried to prevent an alternative conflict resolution, which even got him killed.
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Zarutaku said:
@riqmoran Of course there's a connection to the actions of their ancestors, but I didn't say they're guilty of these actions, just that Floch and the Yeagerists willingly turned a blind eye on them, instead of feeling responsible to not repeat similar actions. Speaking of holding people responsible for things they aren't responsible for: not the entire population of non-Eldians wanted the Eldian genocide, there were lots of innocent civilians who just wanted to live in peace, so supporting a complete counter genocide was no less evil and indicates that Floch only cared about his own tribe, indiscriminately disregarded any other casualties, and obstinately tried to prevent an alternative conflict resolution, which even got him killed.

Of course by any realistic standard, and including this story, every conflict has peaceful noncombatants which bar complete annihilation from being a reasonable or morally justifiable approach. This is why I think Itachi is a bad character in Naruto by the way.

The problem however is that the story explicitly rules out the possibility of peaceful coexistence. And this unfortunately turns things into an all or nothing proposition for both sides. The rumbling was stopped and the outcome from that was Paradis got nuked into oblivion. I don't think thats a realistic outcome, but that's what happened in the story. And it retroactively vindicates Floch as well as all the Yeagerists.

The fact that Paradis gets nuked means that the reader is forced to conclude that in order for the Eldeans to survive they needed to complete the rumbling. I don't think that is good writing and I don't think that is a message the author meant to convey, but it is the logical extension of the plot as it is written.
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Listen, I can see why Erwin is 1st. BUTT 🍑, in terms of leadership ability and actual combat skills/kills Levi is the highest on the list no doubt.
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Zarutaku said:
@riqmoran Of course there's a connection to the actions of their ancestors, but I didn't say they're guilty of these actions, just that Floch and the Yeagerists willingly turned a blind eye on them, instead of feeling responsible to not repeat similar actions. Speaking of holding people responsible for things they aren't responsible for: not the entire population of non-Eldians wanted the Eldian genocide, there were lots of innocent civilians who just wanted to live in peace, so supporting a complete counter genocide was no less evil and indicates that Floch only cared about his own tribe, indiscriminately disregarded any other casualties, and obstinately tried to prevent an alternative conflict resolution, which even got him killed.

Yeah, You massacred the soldiers or countrymen of others and expecting them not to counter you in near future despite of their reluctancy of war or battles in some point which makes them innocent somehow as you are saying, isn't a wise idea. Floch mayn't fulfill idealistic standards but his approach was correct at least from the perspective of his countrymen.

As he was continuously thinking about his motherland & his people & scarficed himself for the same. It's indeed a heroic event.
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Miry4316 said:
simplescare said:
It is obviously floch. He wanted to protect and improve his race. He remained loyal to Eren and did not allied with Reiner,Annie,Gabi and Falco and did not killed his own people.

Ye and let's remember he tried to kill Mikasa and Armin and all their friends.
Floch is a "Jeagerist" without even understanding Eren's plan. More dumb than eroic to me

Mikasa, Armin and others were the one who started to kill the yeagerists, first.
In the retaliation, yeagerists charged against the rebels and got massacred.
Even, the target of the bullets which was fired by floch, was the engine of that vehicle to stop them from intervening the rumbling process.
But, Mikasa was the one who killed him instead.

He is one of the most well written character and You people hate him 'cause he was giving priority to his motherland & his people above everything.
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Erwin no question
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@riqmoran Of course there's a connection to the actions of their ancestors, but I didn't say they're guilty of these actions, just that Floch and the Yeagerists willingly turned a blind eye on them, instead of feeling responsible to not repeat similar actions. Speaking of holding people responsible for things they aren't responsible for: not the entire population of non-Eldians wanted the Eldian genocide, there were lots of innocent civilians who just wanted to live in peace, so supporting a complete counter genocide was no less evil and indicates that Floch only cared about his own tribe, indiscriminately disregarded any other casualties, and obstinately tried to prevent an alternative conflict resolution, which even got him killed.

Yeah, You massacred the soldiers or countrymen of others and expecting them not to counter you in near future despite of their reluctancy of war or battles in some point which makes them innocent somehow as you are saying, isn't a wise idea. Floch mayn't fulfill idealistic standards but his approach was correct at least from the perspective of his countrymen.

As he was continuously thinking about his motherland & his people & scarficed himself for the same. It's indeed a heroic event.
@Creepy_Realm_ No, retributive genocide isn't "correct", and neither is a preemptive one, both sides were in the wrong, only the tiny group that decided to stop Eren was insightful enough to realize that and acted accordingly, they were the true heroes of the story.
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Why is the AoT fanbase so fond of fascist characters? It's deeply concerning.
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Creepy_Realm_ said:
Miry4316 said:

Ye and let's remember he tried to kill Mikasa and Armin and all their friends.
Floch is a "Jeagerist" without even understanding Eren's plan. More dumb than eroic to me

Mikasa, Armin and others were the one who started to kill the yeagerists, first.
In the retaliation, yeagerists charged against the rebels and got massacred.
Even, the target of the bullets which was fired by floch, was the engine of that vehicle to stop them from intervening the rumbling process.
But, Mikasa was the one who killed him instead.

He is one of the most well written character and You people hate him 'cause he was giving priority to his motherland & his people above everything.

This is correct. Having a problem with Floch prioritizing his own people and his own country is indicative of not just the reader's incapacity to govern but also a deeply disturbing inverted moral framework.

Saying "hey we will probably all die but at least fewer people in the rest of the world will suffer" is not exactly an appealing proposition. It also defies many of the lessons learned from the historical context this story borrows from.
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Zarutaku said:
@Creepy_Realm_ No, retributive genocide isn't "correct", and neither is a preemptive one, both sides were in the wrong, only the tiny group that decided to stop Eren was insightful enough to realize that and acted accordingly, they were the true heroes of the story.

I am open to the interpretation that had the rumbling been stopped sooner the chance of peaceful coexistence goes up, vindicating Armin and co.'s intervention. But as I said before, you cannot ignore that the implied genocide in the epilogue scene also implies that the Eldean's longterm survival was contingent on eradicating the humans beyond the walls. We know laying down their arms meant their demise, that is a given. That hypothetical is out the window. What we got was an incomplete rumbling, and it is for sure debatable whether an X percent completion of the rumbling would have had an impact on longterm peace prospects. What is not debatable is that a completed rumbling would have allowed the Eldeans to survive.

It is hard to make complete sense of the bizarro AoT world that doesn't exactly conform to our own world's logic or expectations. I just chalk that up to the author not being the most knowledgeable foreign policy or historian the world has ever seen.
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Holy shit dawg, no one is the hero. There is no antagonist, wanting to commit genocide is wrong, but so is killing 87% of humanity to prevent genocide, that's also mass killing. Eugenics is wrong. Sending people to die for your gain is wrong. Being an ultranationalist is wrong. An eye for an eye and black and white thinking can lead you to such wrong ideas. SNK is so nuanced and gray.
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vampybonez said:
Holy shit dawg, no one is the hero. There is no antagonist, wanting to commit genocide is wrong, but so is killing 87% of humanity to prevent genocide, that's also mass killing. Eugenics is wrong. Sending people to die for your gain is wrong. Being an ultranationalist is wrong. An eye for an eye and black and white thinking can lead you to such wrong ideas. SNK is so nuanced and gray.

But ironically, the story in AoT is an extreme edge case scenario that is therefore much less nuanced and more black and white than you realize. To its detriment, in my opinion. As i think it would have benefitted from being more open ended and more balanced in its portrayal of the many parties involved.

It is very easy so parrot platitudes about the real world (which I agree are true), but the events in this story clearly paint a more black and white picture that challenge your preconceived idea of what is just.
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to me, it's every single one of those people that marched towards the beast titan while knowing they'll die
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to me, it's every single one of those people that marched towards the beast titan while knowing they'll die

Agree. That was such a good and powerful moment of the series, truly the peak of the show. I also really liked the conversation erwin had with levi before it. Adds up to how levi has to bear the weight of the losses of those that died and that he has to carry on for them
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Erwin gave up his dream to progress the story. There’s nothing more heroic than that. You could argue armin is the ‘Hero’ but only in the literal sense, as a figure in history.

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