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Apr 12, 8:25 PM

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Lolis are just speed bumps.


Credit to @yoltasi for this image, which I found really funny. I don't know if he made it, or if not where he got it, but I somehow found it from him, so senin komik memen için teşekkür ederim!

Now for the non-joke one. This is the quiet part I'm saying out loud. Key anime... they all suck ass, and are only good when they aren't trying to be overly tragic. This is why Clannad is the only good Key anime (Not After Story, After Story is also ass).

Sorry yoltasi for flipping off your opinions on Key anime literally three sentences after thanking you. 😶
My heart can't take that image. 😭😭😭😭

Daviljoe193 said:
Now for the non-joke one. This is the quiet part I'm saying out loud. Key anime... they all suck ass, and are only good when they aren't trying to be overly tragic. This is why Clannad is the only good Key anime (Not After Story, After Story is also ass).

You've only watched adaptations of 2 games. Can you really be sure Clannad is better than the others?

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Apr 12, 8:36 PM

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My heart can't take that image. 😭😭😭😭

Daviljoe193 said:
Now for the non-joke one. This is the quiet part I'm saying out loud. Key anime... they all suck ass, and are only good when they aren't trying to be overly tragic. This is why Clannad is the only good Key anime (Not After Story, After Story is also ass).

You've only watched adaptations of 2 games. Can you really be sure Clannad is better than the others?

Air
Planetarian
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Rewrite
@Lucifrost I'll give them a chance sometime this summer. I just don't think I'll find them any less insufferable than AS, Angel Beats, or both adaptations of Kanon. I seriously don't expect my opinion to change, even slightly. At most, I might find Little Busters to be just okay, which will put it above After Story. After Story was an anime that just pissed me off with how much they ruined everything with the forced feels. And the ending with how it's all "Oh it's all better, smile and be happy", fuck off. There are ways to do tragedy, and so far, Key has only ever done it the wrong way.

EDIT: Damn, I got way too heated there, just remembering how much After Story angered me.
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Apr 12, 9:11 PM

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- The Ghost Stories dub is an affront to anime and everyone involved should've been blacklisted. The only reason it didn't get shit on is because they picked a show nobody gave a shit about. I'd be fine if it was an abridged but an OFFICIAL dub? Fuck that noise.

- While it only works for certain shows, I would like more shows that look like the Flowers of Evil anime.
Apr 12, 9:58 PM
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Zero G should bankrupt after what they did with Grand Blue..., and still doing it. Also Takamatsu Shinji is at best a mediocre director, who only can make well acclaimed stuff from already existing jokes.
Apr 12, 10:35 PM

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I dropped so many sacred cows.
Seasons 4 and 5 of Date A Live look worse than 3.
The Deer King is the best adaptation of an Uehashi book.
Vegeta and Freeza are the worst characters in Dragon Ball.
Impmon is boring. I can see a lot of effort went into his development. I don't care.
Wonder Egg Priority ending is no worse than the rest of the show.
Battle Tendency is no better than Phantom Blood.
Gundam Narrative is an improvement over Unicorn.
Rewrite season 1 is good.
Digimon Young Hunters Who Leapt Through Time is good, albeit worse than the previous season.
Cardcaptors is a great albeit unfaithful dub.
I have some pretty bad Sailor Moon takes as well.
LucifrostApr 12, 10:50 PM
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Apr 13, 12:40 AM

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The vast majority of people posting about anime online can't analyze media worth shit. This and other related degeneracies is the single biggest factor turning people away from the anime fandom. This includes:


  • Alt-right culture war peddlers who spout bullshit to pander to people's prejudices.
  • People having no good references for what makes for compelling storytelling because they consume anime and nothing else.
  • People having barely any real world experience and thus mistake stock caricatures for compelling characters, especially when it comes to female characters. Related, mistaking anime Japan for the real thing, thus glossing over the country's real domestic and (to put it very lightly) foreign relations problems or caricaturing real East Asians as anime stereotypes.
  • Nonce apologists and their enablers who prioritize their repulsive views and misogynistic harassment over the safety and health of the community.
MelodyOfMemoryApr 13, 12:45 AM
Apr 13, 1:05 AM

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Hametsu no Oukoku - WORST of the 2020s so far.

Tokyo Revengers - Arguably the worse anime franchise of the 2020s, so far.

NieR:Automata Ver1.1a - Beautiful, but BORING.

Mashle - As funny & entertaining shows go, this had potential, but failed.

Horimiya: Piece - Season two was disappointing as expected, how sad.

Watashi no Shiawase na Kekkon - Frustratingly generic. The timeline is awesome, but the story telling was appealing.
Apr 13, 1:25 AM

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oversexualizing and using high pitch voice is killing anime industry
Apr 13, 2:07 AM

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I don't have a worst take. "Boldest" takes rather.
Apr 13, 2:12 AM

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These takes here man, smh.Batalla, Batalla
Apr 13, 2:15 AM

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I think this is my worst take in the sense that it'd be very unpopular given how many people like them at the moment, but I don't think Frieren and Maomao are very well-written characters. If they were put on a list of best written anime girls, I would heavily disagree.
@bucciest their anime aren't that well-written tbw.
Apr 13, 2:23 AM

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The vast majority of people posting about anime online can't analyze media worth shit. This and other related degeneracies is the single biggest factor turning people away from the anime fandom. This includes:


  • Alt-right culture war peddlers who spout bullshit to pander to people's prejudices.
  • People having no good references for what makes for compelling storytelling because they consume anime and nothing else.
  • People having barely any real world experience and thus mistake stock caricatures for compelling characters, especially when it comes to female characters. Related, mistaking anime Japan for the real thing, thus glossing over the country's real domestic and (to put it very lightly) foreign relations problems or caricaturing real East Asians as anime stereotypes.
  • Nonce apologists and their enablers who prioritize their repulsive views and misogynistic harassment over the safety and health of the community.
@MelodyOfMemory Honestly, all of this.

And here's the sad thing... I actually agree with the anti-woke that some companies are simply pandering. But tbh, it's on both sides. I've seen games and shows shove a ton of fanservice and sex, simply because it's bad and they're hoping that appealing to gooners will make up for it. Likewise, there are some bad games and shows that people hope to make up for by shoving in diversity. Such shows never take care to write the diverse characters, and actually shove them aside and center straight white people. And doubly so if they have offensive and harmful stereotypes and do the worst thing ever. One show actually tried to redeem a slave catcher that killed several runaways. Actually trash. And they wonder why their ratings plummeted, among other issues. Or the black female characters who are only there to help and prop up the white main character. And other terrible tropes. I can write a paper, a book, make a long PowerPoint, etc., about this.

The issue is, the anti-woke just simply don't want those characters. And you can't discuss anything with people who simply hate Hollywood because they're giving dark skinned POC more roles. And that's the real reason they come to anime. Once anime adds darker skinned people more consistently, they'll say anime is going downhill as well.
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Isekai is becoming extremely oversaturated, I mean the whole fantasy genre as a whole is becoming a bit much with 12 anime airing all with I got reincarnated in the title, It's time we moved onto something new people :Sob:
Apr 13, 5:39 AM
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I dropped so many sacred cows.
Seasons 4 and 5 of Date A Live look worse than 3.
The Deer King is the best adaptation of an Uehashi book.
Vegeta and Freeza are the worst characters in Dragon Ball.
Impmon is boring. I can see a lot of effort went into his development. I don't care.
Wonder Egg Priority ending is no worse than the rest of the show.
Battle Tendency is no better than Phantom Blood.
Gundam Narrative is an improvement over Unicorn.
Rewrite season 1 is good.
Digimon Young Hunters Who Leapt Through Time is good, albeit worse than the previous season.
Cardcaptors is a great albeit unfaithful dub.
I have some pretty bad Sailor Moon takes as well.
Lucifrost said:
Gundam Narrative is an improvement over Unicorn.


It's not a bad take, when you look at narrative as a story of how different people in UC feel about newtypes and what newtypes represent it's pretty good


Now for my bad opinion-good directing>good animation
Apr 13, 6:24 AM

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Many anime that are now considered absolute classics and masterpieces were similarly overhyped seasonal shows at one time and may have even had a bunch of elitists criticizing it due to popularity or fan annoyance. The fact that many people are trying to declare Code Geass an absolute classic right now in real time and even trying to deny that the show had many haters during its time only confirms this.
Apr 13, 7:09 AM

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@MelodyOfMemory Honestly, all of this.

And here's the sad thing... I actually agree with the anti-woke that some companies are simply pandering. But tbh, it's on both sides. I've seen games and shows shove a ton of fanservice and sex, simply because it's bad and they're hoping that appealing to gooners will make up for it. Likewise, there are some bad games and shows that people hope to make up for by shoving in diversity. Such shows never take care to write the diverse characters, and actually shove them aside and center straight white people. And doubly so if they have offensive and harmful stereotypes and do the worst thing ever. One show actually tried to redeem a slave catcher that killed several runaways. Actually trash. And they wonder why their ratings plummeted, among other issues. Or the black female characters who are only there to help and prop up the white main character. And other terrible tropes. I can write a paper, a book, make a long PowerPoint, etc., about this.

The issue is, the anti-woke just simply don't want those characters. And you can't discuss anything with people who simply hate Hollywood because they're giving dark skinned POC more roles. And that's the real reason they come to anime. Once anime adds darker skinned people more consistently, they'll say anime is going downhill as well.
@LuxuriousHeart Already, you have stuff like Michiko and Hatchin which caters to the huge Brazilian audience (fittingly, the country with the largest Japanese diaspora).

As for your first point, most of us realize that corporations are fundamentally doing inclusion as a cynical marketing ploy and will retract it the minute they feel the slightest bit threatened, like how many corporations stopped featuring pride flags in response to Trump. Disney keeps trying to put out POC characters like in Star Wars, only to give them minimal screen time that isn't them being shallow and humiliated (as John Boyega famously chewed them out for). But that doesn't mean we shouldn't have media that genuinely reflects the diversity of the human experience and has creatives from a bunch of different backgrounds, because our stories become a lot more shallow otherwise.

The anti-woke crowd only wants stuff that caters to their prejudices. It's like how they constantly frame the medieval era as this white supremacist fantasy when in reality, people are constantly moving, mixing, and interacting with each other. Europe borders North Africa and had the Silk Road connecting it to Asia.
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I think it is better when a localization plays with the words a little instead of doing an extremely bland, 1-to-1 (or as close as one can get with Japanese) Translation. Yes, even when they inject "woke"/"cringe" jokes and slang into it. I vastly prefer that that over something that reads like how sawdust tastes.
@BubblegumPatty

This is actually my preferred method of localization too and is considered one of the better ways to translate a foreign work over in a professional context. Its better to have something that reads naturally and gets across the original intended feelings rather than being stiff for the sake of "accuracy" and losing out on intended feelings, character traits, and comedic elements. I really enjoy when professional translators for Japanese media such as video games, TV, manga etc. talk about their methodology since it can not only share a better appreciation for their job, but for the Japanese language as well since you can learn some interesting things based on how these translators come to their final decisions. While it may not be updated all that frequently anymore, I would highly recommend checking out Clyde Mandelin's blog Legends of Localization for some insight as there's a lot of interesting information about how some popular video games were translated, alongside some educational resources about specific tricky things that come up when translating Japanese media.
LSSJ_GamingApr 13, 3:08 PM
This post is brought to you by your local transfem gamer goblin. Will not tolerate bigotry and will fight against "anti-woke" sentiment to make the anime community a safer place.
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@NS2D Agreed. I didn't like the lightning-fast pacing at the beginning, but SAO overall is an above average anime, and is way better than most battle shonen anime. Also, it helped gatekeep the tourists with the fanservice.
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@bucciest their anime aren't that well-written tbw.
@TRC_Randy Yeah, that too. I just focused on their characters with my comment since there's already plenty of people talking about the series (especially "Frieren").
Apr 13, 2:47 PM

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- The Ghost Stories dub is an affront to anime and everyone involved should've been blacklisted. The only reason it didn't get shit on is because they picked a show nobody gave a shit about. I'd be fine if it was an abridged but an OFFICIAL dub? Fuck that noise.

- While it only works for certain shows, I would like more shows that look like the Flowers of Evil anime.
Supersonic_Pain said:
- While it only works for certain shows, I would like more shows that look like the Flowers of Evil anime.

True, it wouldn't be a look that's applicable to every anime but I can think of series that would complement it. Then again, I liked the direction they took with the anime.
Apr 13, 2:49 PM

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@LuxuriousHeart Already, you have stuff like Michiko and Hatchin which caters to the huge Brazilian audience (fittingly, the country with the largest Japanese diaspora).

As for your first point, most of us realize that corporations are fundamentally doing inclusion as a cynical marketing ploy and will retract it the minute they feel the slightest bit threatened, like how many corporations stopped featuring pride flags in response to Trump. Disney keeps trying to put out POC characters like in Star Wars, only to give them minimal screen time that isn't them being shallow and humiliated (as John Boyega famously chewed them out for). But that doesn't mean we shouldn't have media that genuinely reflects the diversity of the human experience and has creatives from a bunch of different backgrounds, because our stories become a lot more shallow otherwise.

The anti-woke crowd only wants stuff that caters to their prejudices. It's like how they constantly frame the medieval era as this white supremacist fantasy when in reality, people are constantly moving, mixing, and interacting with each other. Europe borders North Africa and had the Silk Road connecting it to Asia.
@MelodyOfMemory Yep! A lot of movies back then white washed history, so when a movie reflects the accurate history, they call it DEI.
Apr 13, 2:51 PM

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Creepy Nuts is mid, or at best pretty good. I can't wrap my head around why the OPs they've put out are so insanely popular.
@kta_99 I agree. The opening song they did for "Dandadan" was the closest I got to understanding the craze around them, but that song still loses me at some parts.
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I don't respect your opinion on anime if you only watch Shounen and Seinen.
@LuxuriousHeart I feel similarly - and even more so if the person only watches shounen. There are a few shounens that I would be down to have a good conversation on, but I don't think it'd be common that the average shounen fan would want to talk about what I'd be interested in (the politics of certain battle shounen or Denji's entire character in "Chainsaw Man" for example). I also personally gravitate to anime fans who have a more varied anime/manga list.
Apr 13, 3:13 PM

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@LuxuriousHeart I feel similarly - and even more so if the person only watches shounen. There are a few shounens that I would be down to have a good conversation on, but I don't think it'd be common that the average shounen fan would want to talk about what I'd be interested in (the politics of certain battle shounen or Denji's entire character in "Chainsaw Man" for example). I also personally gravitate to anime fans who have a more varied anime/manga list.
@bucciest Same for me. But this is true regardless of demographic. I have series that I like talking about and those I ignore.
Apr 13, 5:03 PM

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The vast majority of people posting about anime online can't analyze media worth shit. This and other related degeneracies is the single biggest factor turning people away from the anime fandom. This includes:


  • Alt-right culture war peddlers who spout bullshit to pander to people's prejudices.
  • People having no good references for what makes for compelling storytelling because they consume anime and nothing else.
  • People having barely any real world experience and thus mistake stock caricatures for compelling characters, especially when it comes to female characters. Related, mistaking anime Japan for the real thing, thus glossing over the country's real domestic and (to put it very lightly) foreign relations problems or caricaturing real East Asians as anime stereotypes.
  • Nonce apologists and their enablers who prioritize their repulsive views and misogynistic harassment over the safety and health of the community.
MelodyOfMemory said:
People having no good references for what makes for compelling storytelling because they consume anime and nothing else.
People having barely any real world experience and thus mistake stock caricatures for compelling characters, especially when it comes to female characters.

You should be saving these for when someone makes a "best anime takes" thread. I agree with all of the above, but especially the ones I highlighted in the quote.
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Yuri baiting and not completing yuri manga should be illegal under worldwide Trumpy law and you should be deported to El Salvador if you commit this heinous sin. Complete all yuri adaptions, release no apparent bait. Kyoto Animation in shambles...

Every isekai should have to be a LITTLE bit different than anything else before, to the point where we should be in post-modernism now and nothing but Picasso/Dali faces.

The Japanese have shit taste in anime, but not as shit a taste as Twitter meangirls in the west.

Incest is wincest.

Hentai is an artform.

All A1 anime have to end in tragedy from now on, I don't care how you get there just get it done. Too many silly things happen (deus ex machina), somebody gotta' die every time. And it should be a main character.

FMA 2003 Hitler arc needs to be concluded, we never finished the story.
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I gave low scores to both Serial Experiments Lain and FLCL.
If you want anything else, then... well, I really despised Vivy: Fluorite Eyes Song and to this day I'm unable to understand why the community loved something that in my head would be in the low 6.xx's here.
thewiru said:
I really despised Vivy: Fluorite Eyes Song and to this day I'm unable to understand why the community loved something that in my head would be in the low 6.xx's here.

I don't despise it since I'm so impartial to it, but I'm also surprised by how positive the reception is to "Vivy." It's not a very memorable series. I watched it without knowing how others had reacted to it, so I didn't expect to find out afterwards how much it was liked. Then again, that's happen to me with a number of other series: "Anohana," "Bunny Girl Senpai," "Youjo Senki," "Grand Blue," "Katanagatari," and even "Fate/Zero."
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thewiru said:
I really despised Vivy: Fluorite Eyes Song and to this day I'm unable to understand why the community loved something that in my head would be in the low 6.xx's here.

I don't despise it since I'm so impartial to it, but I'm also surprised by how positive the reception is to "Vivy." It's not a very memorable series. I watched it without knowing how others had reacted to it, so I didn't expect to find out afterwards how much it was liked. Then again, that's happen to me with a number of other series: "Anohana," "Bunny Girl Senpai," "Youjo Senki," "Grand Blue," "Katanagatari," and even "Fate/Zero."
@bucciest @thewiru
I like Vivy but dislike both of its writers' previous stories. Somehow.
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