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Apr 21, 7:44 PM
#51
| Really wish there was an option to hide that annoying shit. |
Apr 21, 7:47 PM
#52
Reply to RobertBobert
It's a bottleneck effect. These shows are watched by either relatively few people, or by too many people from a narrow community. So either the rating is initially too high, or there are too few votes, so the high rating does not change for a long time. Remember Solo Leveling.
| @RobertBobert This is the best answer here, look at the low number of members. |
Apr 21, 7:55 PM
#53
Reply to Old_School_Akira
@LotteGiants
Goku is a monkey with a staff like Wukong. He is the Japanese rip off of wukong.
Even the Nine-tailed fox was originally Chinese mythology.
Goku is a monkey with a staff like Wukong. He is the Japanese rip off of wukong.
Even the Nine-tailed fox was originally Chinese mythology.
| @Old_School_Akira Do you just not understand what the term "rip off" means? It isn't a secret that Toriyama's original inspiration for Dragon Ball was Journey to the West. 孫悟空 is Sun Wukong in Chinese and Son Goku in Japanese. Saying Dragon Ball "rips off" Journey to the West is like saying Gankutsuo is a ripoff of Count of Monte Cristo except even stupider because Dragon Ball's similarity to Journey to the West is almost completely superficial. |
Apr 21, 8:58 PM
#54
Reply to LotteGiants
@Old_School_Akira Dragon Ball was originally sort of based off Journey to the West but showing that picture and saying "Goku is just a ripoff of this" is really dumb, dude. Look at a picture of Goku and tell me they're the same thing. See literally anything that Goku does in DB and show me where Wukong does substantively the same thing.
| @LotteGiants The person you're responding to didn't say anything about Dragon Ball. She mentioned Goku, a name Toriyama didn't invent. |
| その目だれの目? |
Apr 21, 10:33 PM
#55
| Two important things to note on those is that a lot of them are very long running as well as having pretty small viewer counts. For shorter anime usually low viewer counts make the ratings worse, but for something like a 157 episode series that has 4 other seasons to watch first I think most of the people rating it are big fans of it. If donghua was truly taking over then more people would flock to these shows to call the bluff of the people rating them so high. |
Apr 21, 10:59 PM
#56
| No matter how you slice it, in this moment the donghua fans are more dedicated than the tourist inundated anime ones, which are even late tp the fact that the current season is actually good (since they are waiting for some figure of authority to say it out at loud). Also the double-dealer tactic of CrunchyRoll pushing To Be Hero X as anime is working, which is the biggest shame in this situation. |
alshuApr 21, 11:04 PM
Apr 22, 3:38 AM
#57
| I think blocking annoying dumb people without responding to them is such a great feeling. |
Apr 22, 4:26 AM
#58
| i am not watching any of those chinese cartoons so whatever. |
Serfort30Apr 22, 7:09 AM
Apr 22, 4:53 AM
#59
Reply to Serfort30
i am not watching any of those chinese cartoons so whatever.
| @Serfort30 but donghua is peak fiction |
| HACKs! 🤢🤮 |
Apr 22, 5:17 AM
#60
Reply to Lucifrost
@LotteGiants
The person you're responding to didn't say anything about Dragon Ball. She mentioned Goku, a name Toriyama didn't invent.
The person you're responding to didn't say anything about Dragon Ball. She mentioned Goku, a name Toriyama didn't invent.
| @Lucifrost Yeah this was clearly about Midnight Eye Goku OT: Maybe if Japan stopped releasing the same shitty fantasy shows over and over again and showed some originality. |
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
Apr 22, 7:13 AM
#61
Reply to Old_School_Akira
@Serfort30 but donghua is peak fiction
| @Old_School_Akira guess what? i don't give a shit. i wouldn't touch those with a ten foot pole no matter how popular they become. also you need to leave this place since you clearly don't like anime. last time i checked it's called my anime list not my western/chinese cartoon list |
Apr 22, 7:27 AM
#62
Reply to Serfort30
@Old_School_Akira
guess what? i don't give a shit.
i wouldn't touch those with a ten foot pole no matter how popular they become.
also you need to leave this place since you clearly don't like anime. last time i checked it's called my anime list not my western/chinese cartoon list
guess what? i don't give a shit.
i wouldn't touch those with a ten foot pole no matter how popular they become.
also you need to leave this place since you clearly don't like anime. last time i checked it's called my anime list not my western/chinese cartoon list
Serfort30 said: it's called my anime list not my western/chinese cartoon list Last time I checked MAL allows donghua here. |
| HACKs! 🤢🤮 |
Apr 22, 7:34 AM
#63
| Well I don't follow modern anime. |
Apr 22, 7:52 AM
#64
| inflated scores by diehard fans. nobody actually watches them. |
Apr 22, 8:21 AM
#65
Donghua is still in its infancy but popularity has increased over the past couple years. I don't think it will overtake anime anytime soon. A couple reasons off the top of my head are poor subtitles, lack of accessibility (some donghua are geo-blocked and you need a vpn) and the biggest of them all is censorship. To put it shortly, donghua needs something like crunchyroll for people in the west. Japanese streaming sites are geo-blocked as well so i'm aware it's not just a chinese thing. |
_MazinoApr 22, 8:25 AM
Apr 22, 9:19 AM
#66
| Why don’t you have anything relating to donghua in your profile, OP? Should I assume that you don’t even like donghua in the first place? |
Apr 22, 9:29 AM
#67
| No, it's so high in rankings, particularly because it's such a niche. Number 4 has been watched by 2500 people. Doupou Cangqiong which has been airing for 3 years, and used to have a very popular webcomic a while ago, is watched by some 7000 peoples. Apotecary is being watched currently by 171 000 peoples. Donhua has small and passionate communities, a small score poll, which results in higher averages. Anime is being watched by anime fans who watch everything during a season, and score things more critically. @Valyrian1124 Oh, this is such an edgy take to have? Are you stuck in 2010? Or are you from another Universe, where the anime industry is dying and China has 2 billion peoples? Because here in my universe, those 2 statements are definitely false. I am so tired of foolish kids acting as if the 80's and 90's where some golden age in animation, just because Japan produced a handful of high quality animated shows, most of whom had such high budgets that they nearly bankrupted their studio's - so let's ignore than more than half of what they produced back them it was Powerpoit presentations and Gif's with voiceovers. Today, you get more high-quality animation in one year, than we got in the entire decade of 1980 my dude. Just because something is old, doesn't mean that you can ignore it's flaws. Most anime from the 80's wouldn't pass the quality test today. You kids have no idea how good we have it today, and are willingly ignorant of the technical advancements we saw over the past 20 years in animation. Today, even in the most average anime, you have moving backgrounds, when in the 80's and 90's, in most anime, it was an achievement if the characters where not still images for half of the episode. The anime industry is far from being in decline. You talk data that is 15 years old. The anime industry has never made more money than today, and never had anime been more mainstream and appealing either. Additionally, you have no clue about how the industry works. Anime didn't go from having +24 episodes in the early 2000's to half that, due the move from cell animation, nor is it a proof of decline, but simply a change in media trends and the decline of television. Anime had dozens of episodes back then, because they had good slots on TV, at the afternoon and primetime. Anime was on demand on TV and TV stations would commission lot's of episodes. When Japanese television started to move anime to midnight, the industry shifted, towards shorter formats fit for home release. The anime didn't went in decline, the world simply changed. First TV lost interest due to lowering ratings and cost shifts, then the VHS/DVD home renting industry collapsed - each time the anime industry had to find new ways to market itself and sell it's goods, and every time they had a few bumpy years while it adapted. But as someone who became an otaku in mid-2000's, we never had it as good as today. I remember clearly how rare it used to be to have a second or third season of something, and today, half of a season's chart is sequels. I remember how rare great animation was, and how everyone was using the same dozen sakuga's to make AMV's, while today anime shows are getting criticized for poor animation when they are great but not exceptional. And I must say, I've been having a lot of time lately at my job, to watch anime, I've been going trough new and old shows, and there is nothing that makes me stop and rewind scenes just to see a random bit of animation that impressed me, like anime produced in the past 10 years. 2000's animation is definitely nothing to write home about. It's just entertainment, not art. But good animation from the 90's and 80's, especially, is even rarer. Stop acting as if everything from the 90s was Cowboy Bebop and Ghost in the Shell, or that everything from the 80s was Akira. There have been thousands of shows produced in those 2 decades, and yet we only talk about a couple dozen anymore, and many of those aren't even talked for their animation. |
Apr 22, 9:57 AM
#68
Reply to Geark77
Why don’t you have anything relating to donghua in your profile, OP? Should I assume that you don’t even like donghua in the first place?
| @Geark77 I need to have donghua in my profile to like donghua? Do you like penguins? |
| HACKs! 🤢🤮 |
Apr 22, 12:44 PM
#69
Reply to kronopy
No, it's so high in rankings, particularly because it's such a niche. Number 4 has been watched by 2500 people. Doupou Cangqiong which has been airing for 3 years, and used to have a very popular webcomic a while ago, is watched by some 7000 peoples. Apotecary is being watched currently by 171 000 peoples. Donhua has small and passionate communities, a small score poll, which results in higher averages. Anime is being watched by anime fans who watch everything during a season, and score things more critically.
@Valyrian1124 Oh, this is such an edgy take to have? Are you stuck in 2010? Or are you from another Universe, where the anime industry is dying and China has 2 billion peoples? Because here in my universe, those 2 statements are definitely false.
I am so tired of foolish kids acting as if the 80's and 90's where some golden age in animation, just because Japan produced a handful of high quality animated shows, most of whom had such high budgets that they nearly bankrupted their studio's - so let's ignore than more than half of what they produced back them it was Powerpoit presentations and Gif's with voiceovers. Today, you get more high-quality animation in one year, than we got in the entire decade of 1980 my dude. Just because something is old, doesn't mean that you can ignore it's flaws. Most anime from the 80's wouldn't pass the quality test today. You kids have no idea how good we have it today, and are willingly ignorant of the technical advancements we saw over the past 20 years in animation. Today, even in the most average anime, you have moving backgrounds, when in the 80's and 90's, in most anime, it was an achievement if the characters where not still images for half of the episode.
The anime industry is far from being in decline. You talk data that is 15 years old. The anime industry has never made more money than today, and never had anime been more mainstream and appealing either.
Additionally, you have no clue about how the industry works. Anime didn't go from having +24 episodes in the early 2000's to half that, due the move from cell animation, nor is it a proof of decline, but simply a change in media trends and the decline of television. Anime had dozens of episodes back then, because they had good slots on TV, at the afternoon and primetime. Anime was on demand on TV and TV stations would commission lot's of episodes. When Japanese television started to move anime to midnight, the industry shifted, towards shorter formats fit for home release. The anime didn't went in decline, the world simply changed. First TV lost interest due to lowering ratings and cost shifts, then the VHS/DVD home renting industry collapsed - each time the anime industry had to find new ways to market itself and sell it's goods, and every time they had a few bumpy years while it adapted. But as someone who became an otaku in mid-2000's, we never had it as good as today. I remember clearly how rare it used to be to have a second or third season of something, and today, half of a season's chart is sequels. I remember how rare great animation was, and how everyone was using the same dozen sakuga's to make AMV's, while today anime shows are getting criticized for poor animation when they are great but not exceptional. And I must say, I've been having a lot of time lately at my job, to watch anime, I've been going trough new and old shows, and there is nothing that makes me stop and rewind scenes just to see a random bit of animation that impressed me, like anime produced in the past 10 years. 2000's animation is definitely nothing to write home about. It's just entertainment, not art. But good animation from the 90's and 80's, especially, is even rarer. Stop acting as if everything from the 90s was Cowboy Bebop and Ghost in the Shell, or that everything from the 80s was Akira. There have been thousands of shows produced in those 2 decades, and yet we only talk about a couple dozen anymore, and many of those aren't even talked for their animation.
@Valyrian1124 Oh, this is such an edgy take to have? Are you stuck in 2010? Or are you from another Universe, where the anime industry is dying and China has 2 billion peoples? Because here in my universe, those 2 statements are definitely false.
I am so tired of foolish kids acting as if the 80's and 90's where some golden age in animation, just because Japan produced a handful of high quality animated shows, most of whom had such high budgets that they nearly bankrupted their studio's - so let's ignore than more than half of what they produced back them it was Powerpoit presentations and Gif's with voiceovers. Today, you get more high-quality animation in one year, than we got in the entire decade of 1980 my dude. Just because something is old, doesn't mean that you can ignore it's flaws. Most anime from the 80's wouldn't pass the quality test today. You kids have no idea how good we have it today, and are willingly ignorant of the technical advancements we saw over the past 20 years in animation. Today, even in the most average anime, you have moving backgrounds, when in the 80's and 90's, in most anime, it was an achievement if the characters where not still images for half of the episode.
The anime industry is far from being in decline. You talk data that is 15 years old. The anime industry has never made more money than today, and never had anime been more mainstream and appealing either.
Additionally, you have no clue about how the industry works. Anime didn't go from having +24 episodes in the early 2000's to half that, due the move from cell animation, nor is it a proof of decline, but simply a change in media trends and the decline of television. Anime had dozens of episodes back then, because they had good slots on TV, at the afternoon and primetime. Anime was on demand on TV and TV stations would commission lot's of episodes. When Japanese television started to move anime to midnight, the industry shifted, towards shorter formats fit for home release. The anime didn't went in decline, the world simply changed. First TV lost interest due to lowering ratings and cost shifts, then the VHS/DVD home renting industry collapsed - each time the anime industry had to find new ways to market itself and sell it's goods, and every time they had a few bumpy years while it adapted. But as someone who became an otaku in mid-2000's, we never had it as good as today. I remember clearly how rare it used to be to have a second or third season of something, and today, half of a season's chart is sequels. I remember how rare great animation was, and how everyone was using the same dozen sakuga's to make AMV's, while today anime shows are getting criticized for poor animation when they are great but not exceptional. And I must say, I've been having a lot of time lately at my job, to watch anime, I've been going trough new and old shows, and there is nothing that makes me stop and rewind scenes just to see a random bit of animation that impressed me, like anime produced in the past 10 years. 2000's animation is definitely nothing to write home about. It's just entertainment, not art. But good animation from the 90's and 80's, especially, is even rarer. Stop acting as if everything from the 90s was Cowboy Bebop and Ghost in the Shell, or that everything from the 80s was Akira. There have been thousands of shows produced in those 2 decades, and yet we only talk about a couple dozen anymore, and many of those aren't even talked for their animation.
| @kronopy I like how shallow some people think that good anime only equals to good animation and pretty much nothing else. And unlike your hateboner-for-old-anime self thinks a lot of older anime used more frames compared to modern anime, where a lot of scenes have standing characters doing nothing just because of not to exceed budget limit. Another thing what older anime did better than the modern anime was to adapt the source material in full rather than in a summarized version of it. Compare Akage no Anne remake to the original one for example, or Urusei Yatsura remake to the original adaptation, just because "MUHANIMATION" looks better does not mean it's a better adaptation. There is a reason why a lot of mecha anime came in the 80s and the modern animators are having a hard time to draw mecha anime since it's harder and more specialized than regular anime but I don't expect from someone who has anime like Code Geass and No Game no Life to understand that. And let's not forget the most laughable part of this wall of sperging text where it says "There have been thousands of shows produced in those 2 decades, and yet we only talk about a couple dozen anymore, and many of those aren't even talked for their animation." "You" aka the modern anime fans who don't watch older anime of course don't talk about old anime BECAUSE MOST MODERN ANIME FANS DON'T WATCH OLD ANIME other than popular ones. It's got nothing to do with quality of old anime. |
JoeChipApr 23, 10:20 AM
Apr 22, 1:23 PM
#70
Reply to alshu
No matter how you slice it, in this moment the donghua fans are more dedicated than the tourist inundated anime ones, which are even late tp the fact that the current season is actually good (since they are waiting for some figure of authority to say it out at loud).
Also the double-dealer tactic of CrunchyRoll pushing To Be Hero X as anime is working, which is the biggest shame in this situation.
Also the double-dealer tactic of CrunchyRoll pushing To Be Hero X as anime is working, which is the biggest shame in this situation.
| @alshu I can be the authority figure if people are looking. This season is the best in a long time |
Apr 22, 1:33 PM
#71
Reply to kronopy
No, it's so high in rankings, particularly because it's such a niche. Number 4 has been watched by 2500 people. Doupou Cangqiong which has been airing for 3 years, and used to have a very popular webcomic a while ago, is watched by some 7000 peoples. Apotecary is being watched currently by 171 000 peoples. Donhua has small and passionate communities, a small score poll, which results in higher averages. Anime is being watched by anime fans who watch everything during a season, and score things more critically.
@Valyrian1124 Oh, this is such an edgy take to have? Are you stuck in 2010? Or are you from another Universe, where the anime industry is dying and China has 2 billion peoples? Because here in my universe, those 2 statements are definitely false.
I am so tired of foolish kids acting as if the 80's and 90's where some golden age in animation, just because Japan produced a handful of high quality animated shows, most of whom had such high budgets that they nearly bankrupted their studio's - so let's ignore than more than half of what they produced back them it was Powerpoit presentations and Gif's with voiceovers. Today, you get more high-quality animation in one year, than we got in the entire decade of 1980 my dude. Just because something is old, doesn't mean that you can ignore it's flaws. Most anime from the 80's wouldn't pass the quality test today. You kids have no idea how good we have it today, and are willingly ignorant of the technical advancements we saw over the past 20 years in animation. Today, even in the most average anime, you have moving backgrounds, when in the 80's and 90's, in most anime, it was an achievement if the characters where not still images for half of the episode.
The anime industry is far from being in decline. You talk data that is 15 years old. The anime industry has never made more money than today, and never had anime been more mainstream and appealing either.
Additionally, you have no clue about how the industry works. Anime didn't go from having +24 episodes in the early 2000's to half that, due the move from cell animation, nor is it a proof of decline, but simply a change in media trends and the decline of television. Anime had dozens of episodes back then, because they had good slots on TV, at the afternoon and primetime. Anime was on demand on TV and TV stations would commission lot's of episodes. When Japanese television started to move anime to midnight, the industry shifted, towards shorter formats fit for home release. The anime didn't went in decline, the world simply changed. First TV lost interest due to lowering ratings and cost shifts, then the VHS/DVD home renting industry collapsed - each time the anime industry had to find new ways to market itself and sell it's goods, and every time they had a few bumpy years while it adapted. But as someone who became an otaku in mid-2000's, we never had it as good as today. I remember clearly how rare it used to be to have a second or third season of something, and today, half of a season's chart is sequels. I remember how rare great animation was, and how everyone was using the same dozen sakuga's to make AMV's, while today anime shows are getting criticized for poor animation when they are great but not exceptional. And I must say, I've been having a lot of time lately at my job, to watch anime, I've been going trough new and old shows, and there is nothing that makes me stop and rewind scenes just to see a random bit of animation that impressed me, like anime produced in the past 10 years. 2000's animation is definitely nothing to write home about. It's just entertainment, not art. But good animation from the 90's and 80's, especially, is even rarer. Stop acting as if everything from the 90s was Cowboy Bebop and Ghost in the Shell, or that everything from the 80s was Akira. There have been thousands of shows produced in those 2 decades, and yet we only talk about a couple dozen anymore, and many of those aren't even talked for their animation.
@Valyrian1124 Oh, this is such an edgy take to have? Are you stuck in 2010? Or are you from another Universe, where the anime industry is dying and China has 2 billion peoples? Because here in my universe, those 2 statements are definitely false.
I am so tired of foolish kids acting as if the 80's and 90's where some golden age in animation, just because Japan produced a handful of high quality animated shows, most of whom had such high budgets that they nearly bankrupted their studio's - so let's ignore than more than half of what they produced back them it was Powerpoit presentations and Gif's with voiceovers. Today, you get more high-quality animation in one year, than we got in the entire decade of 1980 my dude. Just because something is old, doesn't mean that you can ignore it's flaws. Most anime from the 80's wouldn't pass the quality test today. You kids have no idea how good we have it today, and are willingly ignorant of the technical advancements we saw over the past 20 years in animation. Today, even in the most average anime, you have moving backgrounds, when in the 80's and 90's, in most anime, it was an achievement if the characters where not still images for half of the episode.
The anime industry is far from being in decline. You talk data that is 15 years old. The anime industry has never made more money than today, and never had anime been more mainstream and appealing either.
Additionally, you have no clue about how the industry works. Anime didn't go from having +24 episodes in the early 2000's to half that, due the move from cell animation, nor is it a proof of decline, but simply a change in media trends and the decline of television. Anime had dozens of episodes back then, because they had good slots on TV, at the afternoon and primetime. Anime was on demand on TV and TV stations would commission lot's of episodes. When Japanese television started to move anime to midnight, the industry shifted, towards shorter formats fit for home release. The anime didn't went in decline, the world simply changed. First TV lost interest due to lowering ratings and cost shifts, then the VHS/DVD home renting industry collapsed - each time the anime industry had to find new ways to market itself and sell it's goods, and every time they had a few bumpy years while it adapted. But as someone who became an otaku in mid-2000's, we never had it as good as today. I remember clearly how rare it used to be to have a second or third season of something, and today, half of a season's chart is sequels. I remember how rare great animation was, and how everyone was using the same dozen sakuga's to make AMV's, while today anime shows are getting criticized for poor animation when they are great but not exceptional. And I must say, I've been having a lot of time lately at my job, to watch anime, I've been going trough new and old shows, and there is nothing that makes me stop and rewind scenes just to see a random bit of animation that impressed me, like anime produced in the past 10 years. 2000's animation is definitely nothing to write home about. It's just entertainment, not art. But good animation from the 90's and 80's, especially, is even rarer. Stop acting as if everything from the 90s was Cowboy Bebop and Ghost in the Shell, or that everything from the 80s was Akira. There have been thousands of shows produced in those 2 decades, and yet we only talk about a couple dozen anymore, and many of those aren't even talked for their animation.
kronopy said: Today, you get more high-quality animation in one year, than we got in the entire decade of 1980 my dude. LMAO. You know, I just opened your Malgraph. You have exactly 2 entries for the 80s, DB and DBZ. DBZ is memed to death for having some of the most atrocious, dragged out animation out there. It's hard to take your stance seriously when it seems to be the result of a lack of knowledge on the subject. @JoeChip My man only has seen DBZ from the 80s and judges every 80s show based on that... Gotta agree with your points regarding animation =/= good show (the original Macross crushes most anime, and it's a solid D- in terms of animation), and mechanical designs. I like the super robot style of the remaining 2D mecha shows (Gurren Lagann, DitF), but we're never going to see this again: Simply because it's a lost art. Modern animators don't practice it, it's not valued anymore. The same could be said about animals too. The animation of Rose of Versailles isn't ground-breaking, but that 70s show has some of the most anatomically accurate horses in anime. Modern fantasy manga/anime either have characters travelling on foot (... okay), or do something like this: It's hard to blame them, those animators probably grew up watching anime instead of going outside, and never looked at a horse. People like to meme grumpy ol' Miyazaki to death, but he ain't wrong when he says a good animator needs to be curious and look at nature rather than be an otaku who only knows the world through manga/anime (or something like that, I ain't going to look for that interview again) |
DeathkoApr 22, 1:44 PM
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
Apr 22, 1:35 PM
#72
Reply to ForgotEyeWasHere
@Serafos It's going to happen if anime continues to shy away from taking risks, and if China loosens up restrictions of ecchi.
| @ForgotEyeWasHere and if China loosens up restrictions of ecchi. Nice Joke. Their content gets censored by their government. Just take a look of all controversy surrounding Chinese gachag games getting censored by the CCP. |
Apr 22, 1:37 PM
#73
| Bruh, none of them (except To be Hero X) exceed 6 thousand members so it doesn't matter xD |
Apr 22, 1:43 PM
#74
| Only one of those started airing this season. I would say it shows more about this site's general opinion of the season rather than any donghua passing anime business. |
Apr 22, 4:35 PM
#75
Old_School_Akira said: Do you like penguins? Of course, enough to make them my avatar. Old_School_Akira said: I need to have donghua in my profile to like donghua? In this case, YES. Considering how much you want to advertise that donghua is the greatest shit ever. Having nothing relating to donghua instead of typical anime stuff in your profile isn’t convincing. Maybe your love for donghua is just too shallow that you don’t even bother customizing your profile? |
Apr 22, 4:39 PM
#76
Reply to Geark77
Old_School_Akira said:
Do you like penguins?
Do you like penguins?
Of course, enough to make them my avatar.
Old_School_Akira said:
I need to have donghua in my profile to like donghua?
I need to have donghua in my profile to like donghua?
In this case, YES. Considering how much you want to advertise that donghua is the greatest shit ever. Having nothing relating to donghua instead of typical anime stuff in your profile isn’t convincing. Maybe your love for donghua is just too shallow that you don’t even bother customizing your profile?
Geark77 said: don’t even bother customizing your profile? So my profile has to have every donghua and anime I like? I guess penguin eren is better than anime eren |
| HACKs! 🤢🤮 |
Apr 22, 4:42 PM
#77
| Let's do this!!! Powered by AI, Chinese will win this race inshallah, and humble the Japanese once and for all 😎 |
Apr 22, 4:58 PM
#78
Reply to animegamer245
@ForgotEyeWasHere and if China loosens up restrictions of ecchi.
Nice Joke. Their content gets censored by their government. Just take a look of all controversy surrounding Chinese gachag games getting censored by the CCP.
Nice Joke. Their content gets censored by their government. Just take a look of all controversy surrounding Chinese gachag games getting censored by the CCP.
| @animegamer245 I'm just saying, if China loosens their restrictions on this stuff, donghua will easily surpass anime in popularity. |
Apr 22, 5:28 PM
#79
Reply to ForgotEyeWasHere
@animegamer245 I'm just saying, if China loosens their restrictions on this stuff, donghua will easily surpass anime in popularity.
| @ForgotEyeWasHere And I'm saying they never will because their government controls everything. Also, no because the most popular anime of all time aren't even centered around fanservice. It may surprise you to believe this, but not everyone watches anime for fanservice. |
Apr 22, 6:30 PM
#80
| Just because I like lists and data and stuff... Here's the current Top 10 with the donghua removed. Also excluding continuously airing anime from the ranking. 1. 1. Kusuriya no Hitorigoto S2* -. 2. One Piece 2. 9. Kuroshitsuji: Midori no Majo-hen -. 10. Meitantei Conan 3. 11. Uma Musume: Cinderella Gray -. 12. Holo no Graffiti 4. 13. Wind Breaker S2 5. 15. Enen no Shouboutai: San no Shou -. 17. Chiikawa 6. 21. Anne Shirley -. 22. Crayon Shin-chan 7. 23. Kowloon Generic Romance -. 25. Doraemon (2005) 8. 26. Sentai Daishikkaku S2 9. 27. Shoushimin Series S2 10. 29. Shin Samurai-den Yaiba 11. 30. Kidou Senshi Gundam: GQuuuuuuX Between #1-#30 there are -10 anime starting this season -1 continuing anime from last season* -6 continuously airing anime -13 donghua |
Apr 23, 1:07 PM
#81
Reply to MochiGyoza
@Valyrian1124
The unique part comes from the culture, most donghuas are historical and talk about their legends.
An example of unique stories could be Wu Shan Wu Xing (Fog Hill of Five Elements) about the legend of officials that gain elemental powers, the main character is a banished official that "steals" a beast putting in danger the world. It's very cool, I hope I could say more but that would be full spoiler.
If you preffer a modern setting Link Click has also a great story with mistery and time travel, the main characters have the ability to travel in time through pictures but as the person that took the picture, all the stories revolve around one big mystery, it's amazing.
I also would like to recommend All Saint Street ans Scissor Seven for something more comedic.
Sadly, most old donghuas aren't that interesting or easy to understand without knowing about chinese culture, the newest are far better and have a great animation, but it will be a long way for donghuas to surpass anime, we all know anime is always reinventing itself, we always get some anime that is not like the others, the problem is that we get one unique anime from a sea of hundreds of generic ones.
As @alshu said, it's mostly because it's a different culture, for me it's refreshing getting to see a different type of characters interacting in a new enviroment, hope you get interested!
(sorry for my limited vocabulary, I 'm not a native english speaker) `(*>﹏<*)′
The unique part comes from the culture, most donghuas are historical and talk about their legends.
An example of unique stories could be Wu Shan Wu Xing (Fog Hill of Five Elements) about the legend of officials that gain elemental powers, the main character is a banished official that "steals" a beast putting in danger the world. It's very cool, I hope I could say more but that would be full spoiler.
If you preffer a modern setting Link Click has also a great story with mistery and time travel, the main characters have the ability to travel in time through pictures but as the person that took the picture, all the stories revolve around one big mystery, it's amazing.
I also would like to recommend All Saint Street ans Scissor Seven for something more comedic.
Sadly, most old donghuas aren't that interesting or easy to understand without knowing about chinese culture, the newest are far better and have a great animation, but it will be a long way for donghuas to surpass anime, we all know anime is always reinventing itself, we always get some anime that is not like the others, the problem is that we get one unique anime from a sea of hundreds of generic ones.
As @alshu said, it's mostly because it's a different culture, for me it's refreshing getting to see a different type of characters interacting in a new enviroment, hope you get interested!
(sorry for my limited vocabulary, I 'm not a native english speaker) `(*>﹏<*)′
MochiGyoza said: This is what I love about donghua the most, a lot of them are fantastical/historical/traditional/mythological and as a huge fan of those genres, I am grateful for donghua for giving me many new shows to watch. I am very happy to see Ne Zha 2 popped off at the box office and it would be absolutely amazing if we get donghua for Journey to the West as well.The unique part comes from the culture, most donghuas are historical and talk about their legends. I also love Japanese fantastical/historical/mythological anime, I wish there are more anime like Gintama or Rurouni Kenshin. I love Nobunaga Concerto, wish it had a second season. It's very fascinating to watch something closely related to Japanese or Chinese traditional culture, that's why I also loved Saiunkoku Monogatari. I haven't watch The Apothecary Diaries yet, but I have a feeling I will love the show as well. But yeah I agree with you that donghua is more interesting than most anime nowadays. |
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Apr 23, 3:27 PM
#82
Reply to Deathko
kronopy said:
Today, you get more high-quality animation in one year, than we got in the entire decade of 1980 my dude.
Today, you get more high-quality animation in one year, than we got in the entire decade of 1980 my dude.
LMAO.
You know, I just opened your Malgraph. You have exactly 2 entries for the 80s, DB and DBZ. DBZ is memed to death for having some of the most atrocious, dragged out animation out there.
It's hard to take your stance seriously when it seems to be the result of a lack of knowledge on the subject.
@JoeChip
My man only has seen DBZ from the 80s and judges every 80s show based on that...
Gotta agree with your points regarding animation =/= good show (the original Macross crushes most anime, and it's a solid D- in terms of animation), and mechanical designs. I like the super robot style of the remaining 2D mecha shows (Gurren Lagann, DitF), but we're never going to see this again:
Simply because it's a lost art. Modern animators don't practice it, it's not valued anymore. The same could be said about animals too. The animation of Rose of Versailles isn't ground-breaking, but that 70s show has some of the most anatomically accurate horses in anime. Modern fantasy manga/anime either have characters travelling on foot (... okay), or do something like this:
It's hard to blame them, those animators probably grew up watching anime instead of going outside, and never looked at a horse. People like to meme grumpy ol' Miyazaki to death, but he ain't wrong when he says a good animator needs to be curious and look at nature rather than be an otaku who only knows the world through manga/anime (or something like that, I ain't going to look for that interview again)
Deathko said: While true I mean you kinda point this out. Rose of Versailles' animation wouldn't be accepted today. The fight scenes are very basic. It's artistically beautiful however, the animation itself is quite limited, which isn't shocking for a 70s anime. The animation of Rose of Versailles isn't ground-breaking, but that 70s show has some of the most anatomically accurate horses in anime. Deathko said: Macross has notable animation errors that would get memed to death today. I really like the animation/art style in that show though if anything it resembles the modern industry in many ways. It hardly crushes some of the incredibly well animated shows, we see in the medium on average. (the original Macross crushes most anime, Deathko said: While true, that is largely because it's just not of interest of animators today, to make anime like this. It wore out it's welcome, and now yeah you lose the talent to draw it. I would love a return of mecha anime to its former position however, that ain't happening. People largely don't care enough about sci fi, in this medium anymore. I like the super robot style of the remaining 2D mecha shows (Gurren Lagann, DitF), but we're never going to see this again: Also I mean it's getting old too however, you had very nice looking mecha in the 2010s, like Gundam Thunderbolt. Witch From Mercury, of what I watched had some really nice sequences, and even if I prefer 2D mecha, Sunrise did a great job with 3D in Hathaway's Flash. Deathko said: I don't think it has to do with otaku. Pretty sure it has to do with cost. It's hard to animate, CG is easier. Literally the same reason as mecha. What is going to be used more in your average show character animation? Or horse animation? It's a niche skill. In an ideal world sure, we should cultivate those skills however, this is a low cost, fast production industry, and it has operated that way since its inception. It's hard to blame them, those animators probably grew up watching anime instead of going outside, and never looked at a horse. People like to meme grumpy ol' Miyazaki to death, but he ain't wrong when he says a good animator needs to be curious and look at nature rather than be an otaku who only knows the world through manga/anime (or something like that, I ain't going to look for that interview again) The only way your argument works, is if otaku stopped anime from being bigger than it is now. Even then, how the industry is setup, would make that pointless anyway. Also I hate Miyazaki for his political opinions and views on Western media. His anime opinions, are meh. I mean sure, the industry is very otaku based, and yeah the industry could use more outside influence. On the other had, of what I have seen from Miyazaki his narratives aren't that revolutionary whereas some of the more otaku based media, in this medium have felt more "original'. Good writers, will be able to stick out, regardless. Plus pretty sure Miyazaki hated mecha anime too. Deathko said: Well yeah it's equally reactionary to the person he was responding. It's easy to cherry pick the good and bad, from any era, if you only highlight animation highs and lows. IDK, I see good animation from every decade. If you prefer one era over the other for artistic reasons, thematic/writing reasons whatever, though frankly it can be kinda insulting to the animators if you argue people aren't putting in a lot of hard work, to make very impressive animation. You know, I just opened your Malgraph. You have exactly 2 entries for the 80s, DB and DBZ. DBZ is memed to death for having some of the most atrocious, dragged out animation out there. |
BilboBaggins365Apr 23, 3:36 PM
Apr 23, 3:53 PM
#83
Reply to ToG25thBaam
MochiGyoza said:
The unique part comes from the culture, most donghuas are historical and talk about their legends.
This is what I love about donghua the most, a lot of them are fantastical/historical/traditional/mythological and as a huge fan of those genres, I am grateful for donghua for giving me many new shows to watch. I am very happy to see Ne Zha 2 popped off at the box office and it would be absolutely amazing if we get donghua for Journey to the West as well.The unique part comes from the culture, most donghuas are historical and talk about their legends.
I also love Japanese fantastical/historical/mythological anime, I wish there are more anime like Gintama or Rurouni Kenshin. I love Nobunaga Concerto, wish it had a second season.
It's very fascinating to watch something closely related to Japanese or Chinese traditional culture, that's why I also loved Saiunkoku Monogatari. I haven't watch The Apothecary Diaries yet, but I have a feeling I will love the show as well.
But yeah I agree with you that donghua is more interesting than most anime nowadays.
| @ToG25thBaam You should check out some of these movies. https://myanimelist.net/stacks/48634 I recommend "Saiyuuki" and "Wanpaku Ouji no Orochi Taiji." Golden Kamuy is amazing as well. |
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Apr 23, 4:43 PM
#84
| @BilboBaggins365 Yes, Macross' animation gets wonky, but at some points it's... not even animated anymore. They go full slide-show mode for at least 5-6 episodes because they're absolutely behind their schedule. The show's still awesome tho, because A+ story and characters > D- animation ;) Mechanical design in general is a lost art. it used to be a god damn position like character design in some shows. Just a super talented otaku paid to make pages and pages of sci-fi mecha and planes and tanks and cars in every detail, drawing complex joints and shit >.> I think it went away because it's hard and time-consuming to design, and even harder and more expensive to be consistent with it, rather than because taste changed. Yukito Kishiro for example blessed us with so many incredible cyborg bodies in Gunnm: yet in the sequels this tends to disappear in favor of organic-looking bodies (or copious amount of clothes to hide the mechanical bodies) Your argument regarding cost is true, but in the context of mecha. Horses would be a nightmare to animate convincingly with 3D. The strength of old, high quality cartoons (think Disney or Ghibli) is that they had extremely talented animators that could not only animate people, but also all kinds of animals, in very convincing ways. This... thing trotting: I find it very hard to make it sound like a "niche skill" in the context of, 50% modern anime are high fantasy where everybody's travelling on foot because mangaka and animators have never seen or drawn a horse in their lives. And the "industry got big so it's not a problem" doesn't really work. Hollywood got really big, the video game industry got really big. Is it because movies and video games got better with time? Or is it because the entertainment industry as a whole became a giant? I'm certainly not saying otaku making manga are a bad thing or Miyazaki is right about everything. I'm a Gainax/Trigger fan before being a Miyazaki fan, and they're the epitome of otaku making anime. I just don't understand the visceral hatred most of the western community is showing for a guy who has 4 decades of god-tier anime under his belt, made the industry as big as it is nowadays, and is probably responsible for a good half of its western popularity. I'm not sure if your last paragraph concerns me, tho I will say I'm not accusing any mangaka or japanese animator of being lazy. They're overworked to death. Japan is a very urbanized country, and most of them probably went from school straight to working 14h/day 7 day/week for studios, where nobody's asking them to do good mechanical design or animals, and they wouldn't be given the time to do it anyway. Of course they've never seen or learnt to draw a horse. That's a problem I have with the industry, not with the skills of said animators. In general I have a real love for animators. Lots of my fav people in this industry are directors/animation directors/key animators. Anno, Imaishi, Kawajiri, You Yoshinari, when I see those names in any key role in terms of animation, it's never a disappointing show. Anno learnt the trade with Miyazaki, Imaishi and Yoshinari learnt it with Gainax (sorta), and I love that Trigger is perpetuating this tradition of giving new talented folks a chance. When I looked at Dungeon Meshi's staff, I was absolutely impressed to see that the show had tons of new faces directing episodes and doing storyboard and key animation. I'm pretty sure we'll see more from those guys in the future :3. |
DeathkoApr 23, 4:52 PM
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
Apr 23, 5:07 PM
#85
Apr 23, 6:56 PM
#86
Reply to JaniSIr
@Serafos There is a good chance China will be leading in gaming soon enough.
Anime is a bit more far fetched that's for sure...
Anime is a bit more far fetched that's for sure...
| @JaniSIr they will pass Japan in both mediums very soon. Some of the best freelance animators working on anime in Japan are from China. https://www.crunchyroll.com/news/latest/2023/5/1/madhouse-mappa-founder-masao-maruyama-warns-chinese-animation-could-outshine-japanese-anime-soon?srsltid=AfmBOooaVZ_AnKIsYLDw-WNtemwWreC5smS2GE7b9DslORzNGfUGswJ1 https://www.reddit.com/r/Donghua/comments/1gymdwh/chinese_donghua_has_surpassed_all_other_animations/ |
| HACKs! 🤢🤮 |
Apr 23, 7:41 PM
#87
| Not really mainstream given its low member numbers even here or passing anime (definitely not here). Donghua has come a long way for sure since the days when the stuff I saw coming from China looked Flash animated. |
Apr 23, 7:57 PM
#88
Deathko said: I mean I really liked it, and I honestly liked it's aesthetic. In my limited time, the early 80s feels a bit aesthetically different from the later 80s and I do really enjoy how anime from that period looked. @BilboBaggins365 Yes, Macross' animation gets wonky, but at some points it's... not even animated anymore. They go full slide-show mode for at least 5-6 episodes because they're absolutely behind their schedule. The show's still awesome tho, because A+ story and characters > D- animation ;) Deathko said: Well I mean you kinda hit the point here, they were otaku too. It's just the otaku in the community aren't obsessed with that stuff anymore. It is sad and unfortunate, as seeing fictional mecha cockpits fully realized is a really cool thing. Small details like that matter. Mechanical design in general is a lost art. it used to be a god damn position like character design in some shows. Just a super talented otaku paid to make pages and pages of sci-fi mecha and planes and tanks and cars in every detail, drawing complex joints and shit >.> I think it went away because it's hard and time-consuming to design, and even harder and more expensive to be consistent with it, rather than because taste changed. Yukito Kishiro for example blessed us with so many incredible cyborg bodies in Gunnm: Deathko said: Oh I know, which is going to be interesting to see how JoJo Part 7 is going to be adapted. Your argument regarding cost is true, but in the context of mecha. Horses would be a nightmare to animate convincingly with 3D. The strength of old, high quality cartoons (think Disney or Ghibli) is that they had extremely talented animators that could not only animate people, but also all kinds of animals, in very convincing ways. This... thing trotting: Deathko said: Yeah, i mean that is a fair point, however, you can get away with it still in Fantasy. I find it very hard to make it sound like a "niche skill" in the context of, 50% modern anime are high fantasy where everybody's travelling on foot because mangaka and animators have never seen or drawn a horse in their lives. Deathko said: I don't think those points aid your argument though. Videos games got big, and that leads to more issues. What is demanded from a AAA game is far different, than what was demanded from a big budget release in the early mid 2000s.And the "industry got big so it's not a problem" doesn't really work. Hollywood got really big, the video game industry got really big. Is it because movies and video games got better with time? Or is it because the entertainment industry as a whole became a giant? The cost to justify films going to theaters, is leading to more direct to streaming films, and less risk with blockbusters. What is going on in the anime industry, has to do with cost, and lack of trained animators, partially due to demand and all those things contribute to creating issues for the industry. They are still able to create tons of impressive stuff; however, they are facing new challenges, and that partially is how do they keep up with the production demands spurred on by the influx of money? I don't get what you mean by it doesn't work. Deathko said: Hate? The reason I hate him (outside of what he seems to be as a person, and his horrendous takes on contemporary events), and why certain segments of the anime fandom hate him is that his word is taken as gospel, by a ton of people in the Western community. Often it's just used by people who like a few anime that "aren't like the others" to bash the entire industry's writing. Anyone who has a bone to pick with the industry love the dude. I'm certainly not saying otaku making manga are a bad thing or Miyazaki is right about everything. I'm a Gainax/Trigger fan before being a Miyazaki fan, and they're the epitome of otaku making anime. I just don't understand the visceral hatred most of the western community is showing for a guy who has 4 decades of god-tier anime under his belt, made the industry as big as it is nowadays, and is probably responsible for a good half of its western popularity. I mean if he wanted to just focus on the animation side of things, I actually probably would take most of his words as gospel because yeah he doesn't have a lot of equals there. The problem is his ideas, are mostly used to criticized the writing itself, and I am going TBH, Miyazaki and Ghilbi works stand out because of their production, animation and directorial decisions, not the writing itself. They are solid works, even in regards to the writing; however, not impressive even by the standards of this medium, and again I wouldn't say anime is the pinnacle of writing out there, as much as I love it. It gets even more under my skin when people then start using Miyazaki's opinions to talk about fiction outside of anime. Like his opinions on American films, are straight up dumb and self righteous (yeah Hollywood never makes films about moral nuances lol). If you are going to be used as some critique on writing generally, you have to write something beyond a solid enough film. You have to actually really stand out. I mean again I have seen Spirited Away and Nausicaa and they just didn't really stand out for me. Future Boy Conan was good however, I don't know how much of that comes from Miyazaki's own ideas and even then, it's just a good adventure story. Deathko said: Yeah however, just saying oh yeah it's because otaku, that is why they don't try to do other stuff, I mean it really isn't. Frankly if they could have gotten away with it, I think the industry would have done CG horses earlier. The tech wasn't there. I mean partially why we got so many space and sci fi anime, was because you don't have to do much in the way of backgrounds which is also time consuming. Outside of rare works, most works have always sought out to make animation look amazing, on a shoe string budget, on shoe string time. It's just currently animating horses doesn't fulfill that. I mean yeah I don't' like that philosophy however, sadly it's something that has always plagued the industry. I wish it changed. I'm not sure if your last paragraph concerns me, tho I will say I'm not accusing any mangaka or japanese animator of being lazy. They're overworked to death. Japan is a very urbanized country, and most of them probably went from school straight to working 14h/day 7 day/week for studios, where nobody's asking them to do good mechanical design or animals, and they wouldn't be given the time to do it anyway. Of course they've never seen or learnt to draw a horse. That's a problem I have with the industry, not with the skills of said animators. Also I mean, the anime industry sure, that is true. Japan in general is actually getting better in terms of work hours demanded, at least compared to the past. Though it depends on who you are comparing them to. Though fair enough, if that isn't your intention I misunderstood. It's just often I feel like people disregard the actual creatives when they have personal issues with creative works. There are films I don't personally like however, I still appreciate the people who worked on it (well maybe not the writers, and even then I guess I give sympathy that it is hard to write). |
BilboBaggins365Apr 23, 8:02 PM
Apr 23, 8:26 PM
#89
| if we talk about donghua now, they are indeed developing a little and moving towards the top of the anime industry, but that is if they get Japanese dubbing, like To be Hero X, if they don't get Japanese dubbing and only have Chinese dubbing, there must be only a few people who know that donghua, just like the super cube, they don't have an official Japanese dubbing, that's why they only get a little attention in the global market, so do 3d donghua like BTTH, Sol Land, Throne of Seal, etc., they only rely on stories that are considered average shounen anime on the market now, so in conclusion, in my opinion they are still far from surpassing anime, especially when compared to all time. |
Apr 24, 1:45 PM
#90
Reply to Lucifrost
@ToG25thBaam
You should check out some of these movies.
https://myanimelist.net/stacks/48634
I recommend "Saiyuuki" and "Wanpaku Ouji no Orochi Taiji."
Golden Kamuy is amazing as well.
You should check out some of these movies.
https://myanimelist.net/stacks/48634
I recommend "Saiyuuki" and "Wanpaku Ouji no Orochi Taiji."
Golden Kamuy is amazing as well.
| @Lucifrost Toei is my favorite studio so this recommendation is perfect! I've watched Saiyuuki, thought it was enjoyable but rushed, but also expected since it's less than 2 hours long. Haven't seen Wanpaku Ouji yet. I'll try all the anime on this list if I can find them. Golden Kamuy is very high on my list to watch, I've seen it recommended many times, but I know it's going into its final season, so I chose to wait for it to end before I binge watch it. Thanks for these recommendations. |
| Honobono Log - best slice of life short -------------------------------------------- most kawaii loli overlord ---------------------------- Donquixote Doflamingo AMV - Control |
Apr 24, 2:36 PM
#91
| I don't care if it is Chinese or not. All anime is degenerate. |
Apr 27, 9:05 AM
#92
Reply to TheBerserker
@RobertBobert This is the best answer here, look at the low number of members.
| @TheBerserker By the way, yes. So it really is a bottleneck effect, when there are relatively too few votes and therefore the high figure lasts unusually long compared to the ratings of other popular shows. |
Apr 27, 9:26 AM
#93
Reply to Old_School_Akira
@Serafos
It could happen sooner than you think.
It could happen sooner than you think.
| @Old_School_Akira, I think like @Serafos donghua is interesting, have a great animation and they don't have the workers isssues like in Japan. |
Apr 27, 9:51 AM
#94
Reply to Valyrian1124
Old_School_Akira said:
donghua is passing anime?
donghua is passing anime?
I have not been paying attention to Chinese animation at all, but it has been blatantly obvious to anyone who got into the anime hobby that the genre had been on a decline for almost thirty years. The genre peaked in the 80s and early 90s with the most lavishly produced movies and OVAs, and even TV shows with better aesthetics than modern anime. Then the bubble popped and the money has been drying up and the production values declining, with it becoming noticeable during the 2000s with the abandonment of cel painting and then the lost art of complex mecha and creature animation. We went from year long shows to 24 episode shows, and now studios struggle to get out 12 episodes on time and then have to do massive revisions after airing the make them more presentable for home release. The advent of the production committee to fund shows and disperse risk is indicative of anime's decline. By 2010 the bar got pretty low. Sure, you can cherrypick a few shows like FMAB, Fate/Zero that were above average for 2010, but most anime did not meet that standard. China is huge with 2 billion people so the odds are good that someone there could have assembled a studio that could surpass what passes for average in Japan now.
| @Valyrian1124 90s anime is dead, notice how people primarily talk about 2000s and early 2010s anime and majority of the big hitters came out then. Only 90s anime people talk about is bebop, nge, dbz gits and ghibli. And you’re making it out as if the average 90s anime had Cowboy Bebop level animation. OVAs, movies and big budget TV series looked like that not average TV series. |
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