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Mar 31, 5:34 PM
#1
| It's hard to think of a concept inherently more "anti-art" than censorship, so I know that my title might seem sacrilegious, but I invite you for a thought experiment. There's a line from Alien 9: Emulators that lives rent free in my head, and that only recently I came to maybe understand it. In the whole first series, where our cast is in elementary school, we keep getting reminded that they must not kill the aliens, only capture them, because all life is precious. Yet, in emulators, where our cast is in middle-school, one of the first things we hear from a senpai character is that "We're in middle-school now, we can kill aliens without a problem". That never felt right to me, isn't it supposed to be backwards? As in, first you learn a simpler version of something, and then once you age you're taught a harder, more complex and nuanced version of it? Now I understand what it meant, it's like using a calculator: Yeah, you'll be using it all your adult life, but your teachers were correct of teaching you to not rely on one. Likewise, if our characters were simply permitted to kill aliens as their first choice, they would shut down their brains for every other one. If you're forbidden to kill, you now have to be creative and find other ways to solve the same problem. This way of thinking makes it so, when you're finally able to kill aliens, you might not even need to (Or, if you do, you might now be more efficient at it). Technological limitations forced developers to get creative, find ways around it, optimize their stuff. A fuckton of stuff in order anime were there for things as silly as "they had too much of that color of paint and not much of that other one". Both lolis and tentacle rape came to be, by artists circumventing censorship laws. When I used to be part of certain groups that only discussed and post about certain subjects over and over, I used to fantasize of what would happen if those were banned from being discussed for a while, what would happen? Would the group just fizzle out and die? (If so, it should). Would people just continue talking about the same stuff, but in a coded way? Would they find new things to discuss, find it that it's way better than how things were, and choose to stay like this once the bans were lifted? It's funny, historically censorship was there to limit art, consolidate it into a few boxes, and now I'm here talking about how it could be used to do the exact opposite: To make art go beyond it's limits, to fracture itself into a myriad of different boxes. I myself notice the contradictions: Anime "won" in the west because what teenagers are interested to and what censorship prevents them from saying overlaps quite a lot, and anime simply offered them: Sex, violence and queerness. Yet it really got me thinking when I was watching certain Haibane Renmei reviews, and a certain comment in a video caught my attention: On how it was a good story that didn't rely in "fanservice, fights or evil monsters". It's strange: The freedom that anime allowed is also a prison in itself (If you're curious, I discussed a similar issue in the matter of game design in my thread What is the walkable city of game design?, using as an example how Dark Souls was initially criticized by not following the popular formulas at the time (Which people didn't even recognize as formulas, but as "the normal"), and yet Dark Souls 2 was criticized by Dark Souls 1 for not following IT'S formulas). Needless to say, we obviously know that limitations on "fan-service, fights or evil monsters" wouldn't necessarily result in better anime, since it was those limitations in western media which resulted in anime "winning by W/O". Perhaps what I'm looking for isn't "censorship", but rather a way, any way, of causing "Evolutionary pressure". What are your suggestions? |
Mar 31, 5:38 PM
#2
| Apologies for the size of this thread, I was trying to repurpose a script I had written, but eventually thought to be of poor quality and "all over the place". |
Mar 31, 5:42 PM
#3
| Well the governments only seem to be interested in censoring hentai; nothing else TBH. |
Mar 31, 5:49 PM
#4
| Would rather governments not dictate what can be made at all just to "protect the children" or other religious crap. And if you find sth boring, you can just not watch it and let people who enjoy it watch it in peace. There's an endless amount of content out there and way more than you can ever finish in a human's lifetime already. |
Siranto1Mar 31, 5:55 PM
| Humans only live for a hundred years, it is as unreal as a dream that ends in an instant. What is the point of a person living in this world? No more than just being on a journey, and witnessing interesting things. Although I do not want to die, I do not fear death. I am already on my right path, I have no regrets even if I die. — Fang Yuan (Reverend Insanity) |
Mar 31, 6:04 PM
#5
| You always make some really good threads lol I don't think so. It's like trying to make a sculpture but telling you you can't use a chisel. I mean, it's not that you are going to make a bad sculpture, but the lack of tools needs to be overcompensated by your skill, and if you had the chisel maybe you could have made something so much better than the final product. The thing is, people that lack skills and talent are going to make trash anyways, and taking tools out will make no difference, but for the people that are actually talented, you might be handicapping them and then, censorship would only affect talented individuals. Also, on the dark souls example; wasn't it that the lead director, Miyazaki, wasn't allowed to participate and that was basically the reason it came as a very different product that the first game? I did play both, in fact, I've played most of from software games and DSII does fall off compared to the other titles. If you are already following a formula (DS I into DS II) maybe changing it is a bit of a risky play that may lead to either great success or failure, but you have to shoot your shot. |
Mar 31, 6:04 PM
#6
| Constraints do make people more creative to go around them. Discretion shots for one are engaging when it is the first time you see them. But I wonder if you don't lose the chance to imply/tell something even greater with uncensored scenes. |
Mar 31, 6:07 PM
#7
Mar 31, 6:50 PM
#8
Reply to Corvida
You always make some really good threads lol
I don't think so. It's like trying to make a sculpture but telling you you can't use a chisel. I mean, it's not that you are going to make a bad sculpture, but the lack of tools needs to be overcompensated by your skill, and if you had the chisel maybe you could have made something so much better than the final product.
The thing is, people that lack skills and talent are going to make trash anyways, and taking tools out will make no difference, but for the people that are actually talented, you might be handicapping them and then, censorship would only affect talented individuals.
Also, on the dark souls example; wasn't it that the lead director, Miyazaki, wasn't allowed to participate and that was basically the reason it came as a very different product that the first game? I did play both, in fact, I've played most of from software games and DSII does fall off compared to the other titles. If you are already following a formula (DS I into DS II) maybe changing it is a bit of a risky play that may lead to either great success or failure, but you have to shoot your shot.
I don't think so. It's like trying to make a sculpture but telling you you can't use a chisel. I mean, it's not that you are going to make a bad sculpture, but the lack of tools needs to be overcompensated by your skill, and if you had the chisel maybe you could have made something so much better than the final product.
The thing is, people that lack skills and talent are going to make trash anyways, and taking tools out will make no difference, but for the people that are actually talented, you might be handicapping them and then, censorship would only affect talented individuals.
Also, on the dark souls example; wasn't it that the lead director, Miyazaki, wasn't allowed to participate and that was basically the reason it came as a very different product that the first game? I did play both, in fact, I've played most of from software games and DSII does fall off compared to the other titles. If you are already following a formula (DS I into DS II) maybe changing it is a bit of a risky play that may lead to either great success or failure, but you have to shoot your shot.
| @Corvida DS2 had a different director, Miyazaki was focusing on Bloodborne at the time. That other director simply had different ideas on how to tackle different things, and those ideas (Mostly) also work. |
Mar 31, 7:24 PM
#9
| Limiting is usually good for creativity. Most people, when they are free to do absolutely anything, get paralyzed and have no ideas. This is why many artists struggle to think up a project in front of an empty canvas. When you have limits you can already cross out what can't be done. Or, if you dislike that limit, think how you can get around it. This problem solving thinking can lead to some very creative ideas. Censorship creates some limits. You might have seen some political art from dictatorship periods. Some of them can be very clever with how they disguise their message. However, I don't think censorship is a net positive. The negatives aren't worth it. Not all ideas can get around it plus the serious consequences to the people that try to go against it. With a non-censorship limit, if you break it, the consequences are minor. Maybe you'll fail a test or be refused participation in an exhibition. But you can search for another venue to show your work, you aren't risking jail or worse. And while censorship can stimulate great works, it can also stimulate mediocre safe works. For every artist that thinks up of clever ways to get around censorship, there are dozens that just give up. Which is another part of the silencing process. More than just prohibiting works to go public, censorship tries to convince artists to not even think them up in the first place. Besides, censorship comes with societal issues like turning into taboo things that shouldn't be, oppression, etc. For all that we often see great art coming from troubled societies, mental illness and other negative stuff, I think we're better of living peacefully and happy. We don't need censorship to create limits to stimulate our creativity. |
Mar 31, 7:30 PM
#10
| In Kids show they have to be more creative to make adult jokes. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ParentalBonus |
Mao said: If you have to shit, shit! If you have to fart, fart! |
Mar 31, 7:42 PM
#11
| Great works come out either way, all censorship does is give unnecessary restrictions. In the worst cases, it forces the author(s) to cut out parts of it or muddy the point so much you can barely tell what they're trying to say |
Mar 31, 8:17 PM
#12
| Not adapting the ending of Usagi Drop is kind of censorship in a way, but I think it made for a better product with the anime |
Mar 31, 8:22 PM
#13
| I think that censorship post-production (e.g. for TV or to comply with government regulation) is generally counterproductive. I agree with Sen1793's point about limitation, though. Last year Discotek re-released Kite with its original uncut version as well as two edited versions. That puts the onus of determining what is suitable for consumption onto the viewer. If someone is sensitive to sexual violence... one of the edited versions could be subjectively better. Even though this is censorship post-production, as I mentioned in my first sentence. |
Mar 31, 8:47 PM
#14
| Im only fine with banning hentai, stop gooning and get a gf (ill only allow if you're really ugly and god hates you he made an abomination) |
Mar 31, 9:08 PM
#15
Sen1793 said: I don't think censorship is a net positive. The negatives aren't worth it. I think this is the most concise way to put it. If this creates one anime that cleverly works around the limitations and even works them to its advantage, but blocks and hamstrings 99 other anime, then is that a good trade-off? I don't think so. Art and anime are already hard to make. We don't need to put more arbitrary limitations and hope that art will still overcome them. This is like like the government strictly rationing food, in the hopes that people will come up with new creative dishes that are more tasty and more nutritious. Yes, that might happen, but I feel like there are way more effective and less damaging ways to go about this. |
Mar 31, 9:12 PM
#16
| I see what your saying. Censoring art isn't great but the restrictions lend way to creativity. I guess I agree with that. That's similar to how time, space, or money constraints can also help artists to think outside of the box and create something they wouldn't have thought of otherwise. However, I don't think that increased creativity is a very good selling point for more censorship. Rather, it's a silver lining type of thing. |
Mar 31, 9:43 PM
#17
Reply to perseii
Sen1793 said:
I don't think censorship is a net positive. The negatives aren't worth it.
I don't think censorship is a net positive. The negatives aren't worth it.
I think this is the most concise way to put it.
If this creates one anime that cleverly works around the limitations and even works them to its advantage, but blocks and hamstrings 99 other anime, then is that a good trade-off? I don't think so.
Art and anime are already hard to make. We don't need to put more arbitrary limitations and hope that art will still overcome them.
This is like like the government strictly rationing food, in the hopes that people will come up with new creative dishes that are more tasty and more nutritious. Yes, that might happen, but I feel like there are way more effective and less damaging ways to go about this.
| @perseii Uhm, let's try to invert things, then (More Dark Souls 3 and less Demon Souls). What instead of punishment there was rewards (e.g. government funding or maybe tax cuts) for works that follow certain restrictions, what would be the result? I am aware that there's a big risk of the entire industry becoming reliant on the funding/tax cuts like a crack addict, which would end up making those restrictions de facto censorship. |
Mar 31, 10:08 PM
#18
| There are definitely examples of times where limitations have led to a stronger end product with a great example being how Batman the Animated Series used a lot of its limitations of the Broadcast Standards and Practices to create one of the most definitive versions of the character without having to resort to extremes. In some cases less is more, and leaving something either implied or using it sparingly due to limitations can increase the impact on the audience compared to if you explicitly show something. I just don't really like the idea of retroactively changing someone else's work after its already been made. |
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Mar 31, 10:20 PM
#19
| "Can censorship make art become better?" ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... what? |
Mar 31, 10:34 PM
#20
| I’m honestly anti-censorship for every medium except anime. This is because anime is the only media where a massive number of shows are actually harmful to consume. Anime in its current form is gross, sexist, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, and downright offensive. Even the most innocent of shows have a layer of unpleasantness to them if you actually use your brains and just think about it for a second. It’s more than just lolis that the medium has an issue with. So yeah censorship would do many shows a lot of good. Imagine how many people will flock to watch Frieren and how socially acceptable it would be without the fascist messaging of the show, as shown with the controversy surrounding the demons and the way they’re handled. |
Mar 31, 10:36 PM
#21
Reply to thewiru
@perseii
Uhm, let's try to invert things, then (More Dark Souls 3 and less Demon Souls).
What instead of punishment there was rewards (e.g. government funding or maybe tax cuts) for works that follow certain restrictions, what would be the result?
I am aware that there's a big risk of the entire industry becoming reliant on the funding/tax cuts like a crack addict, which would end up making those restrictions de facto censorship.
Uhm, let's try to invert things, then (More Dark Souls 3 and less Demon Souls).
What instead of punishment there was rewards (e.g. government funding or maybe tax cuts) for works that follow certain restrictions, what would be the result?
I am aware that there's a big risk of the entire industry becoming reliant on the funding/tax cuts like a crack addict, which would end up making those restrictions de facto censorship.
| @thewiru As you said yourself, that would be de facto censorship. I don't see how that significantly changes the situation. It's slightly less oppressive, maybe, but the problem is still remains: censorship by definition suppresses creativity, and even if it somehow increases creativity in certain cases in a roundabout way, it would be nowhere near enough to compensate for the overall reduction to creativity. As others have said, this is all a moot point anyway. Censorship is never employed with the "increase in creativity" in mind. There are always other, bigger reasons, and they will do their absolute best to stamp out this small unwanted "side effect." |
Mar 31, 11:09 PM
#22
| Better? I'd argue no overall. I've never seen anything and thought "this would be better censored". Even if it's something I don't really want to see uncensored on a personal level. I'm just more focused on the context and the extent of the censorship rather than immediately getting my balls in a knot. If it bugs me that much...Well that saves me money. But I also acknowledge I might miss out on a fun experiences. I will say, it can force people to get more creative though. I think saw a hentai clip where they actually addressed the pixels, and it actually gave me a laugh. The elephant censorship always gets me. But so many just resort to the standards like (un)holy light, or the ridiculously thick steam. And I get that might make it easier to de-censor for home release. But if you were never going to show the bits to begin with, have some fun with it. |
Apr 1, 12:01 AM
#23
| tldr also I disagree on the parallels with the gaming industry. "Can censorship make art become better?" If the original idea is kind of loathsome exercise of being tasteless and gross without any actual point besides of provoking you, no amount of fig leaves can fix and improve it. In those extremely rare cases when censorship is useful, the situation is such that you only need to make the message a bit more subtle. Tho in most of the cases: - You are cutting important content or even rendering the whole thing pointless. - You are trying to obfuscate how bad the source is. But there's another angle of that, I would call "Forcing an author to be more focused and economical in their storytelling." which has nothing to do with morals and such. A good example of what I am trying to say are the differences between the theatrical and the video releases of Aliens and Terminator 2 (And don't let me start it on how stupid is the idea of Skynet putting giant hardware switches in the heads of its terminators to activate/disactivate their AI. Like it can make them as smart as it wants - this is very inefficient an human like.). Yes, they had added some great additional scenes in the video versions, but those movies have became bloated and less impactful. And don't get me wrong, there are many great movies which extended versions have made them even better (Amadeus comes to mind), but when you just add scenes just for the sake of it, not to improve the storytelling it becomes a mess. |
alshuApr 1, 12:13 AM
Apr 1, 12:08 AM
#24
| Ironically, yes. There's creative ways to get around the censors, or to do things that aren't frowned upon. Though it can also lead to a few bad things. When people don't pick up hints, they don't get the message. Some people need things shouted to them. |
Apr 1, 12:15 AM
#25
| There's no doubt censorship in general is bad, but as other said limitations can breed creativity, Digimon not being able to show blood has lead to more visually unique and interesting deaths Does it mean censorship is good? No, but it does force those limitations which in the right hands and the correct environment is good, children's stories in general show it a lot with their need to rely on implications which can lead to more impact than if the same thing has been directly seen |
Apr 1, 4:43 AM
#26
| Circumventing censorship requirements is an art in itself. |
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
Apr 1, 5:01 AM
#27
Reply to Mackyreels
Im only fine with banning hentai, stop gooning and get a gf (ill only allow if you're really ugly and god hates you he made an abomination)
| @Mackyreels Aren't there a lot of repercussion to having a gf nowadays, isn't finding a gf hard? |
Apr 1, 5:04 AM
#28
Mackyreels said: Im only fine with banning hentai, stop gooning and get a gf gf? Is that a legendary Pokemon? How to catch it? |
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
Apr 1, 5:17 AM
#29
| I don't see anything wrong with hentai. I don't think it should be banned. |
Apr 1, 5:20 AM
#30
Reply to thewiru
@perseii
Uhm, let's try to invert things, then (More Dark Souls 3 and less Demon Souls).
What instead of punishment there was rewards (e.g. government funding or maybe tax cuts) for works that follow certain restrictions, what would be the result?
I am aware that there's a big risk of the entire industry becoming reliant on the funding/tax cuts like a crack addict, which would end up making those restrictions de facto censorship.
Uhm, let's try to invert things, then (More Dark Souls 3 and less Demon Souls).
What instead of punishment there was rewards (e.g. government funding or maybe tax cuts) for works that follow certain restrictions, what would be the result?
I am aware that there's a big risk of the entire industry becoming reliant on the funding/tax cuts like a crack addict, which would end up making those restrictions de facto censorship.
| @thewiru thewiru said: What instead of punishment there was rewards (e.g. government funding or maybe tax cuts) for works that follow certain restrictions, what would be the result? This is what the market does in a loose way and it's the reason why we have so much isekai slop. "If you restrict your work to the trends, you (might) get more attention and money". In a way, I think it's worse than actual censorship in terms of incentive for creativity. Censorship provokes artists to go against or around it and doesn't devalues art that don't try it. Rewards, on the other hand, makes artists want to follow the restrictions and because of that, they don't feel as motivated to follow them in a creative way. On top of it, it devalues works that don't follow them. They are neither valuable because of the taboo nor because of the financial reward. But then, I suppose that accepted censorship has a similar impact to rewards system plus all its unique negatives. |
Apr 2, 4:08 AM
#31
| I think it could work. But as others have stated, the price to pay is high and results will be brutal, at least in the short term. Actually, let's try with storytelling. Try to write two short stories. One grounded in the real world (maybe a slice-of-life or a romance), and another with fantasy and magic (or futuristic/SF) elements. On one hand, you'll notice fast how much more creative freedom you get in the second story. You can introduces dragons and spell weaving systems, or dystopian/robotics societies. Even a "merely" supernatural story can do so much more. On the other hand, on the first story, you focus a lot on character development, pacing and quick-witted phrases. The real world is boring so the characters and their stories must feel "alive". Of course, you could force-censor authors to not write anything with magical, futuristic or supernatural elements for .. a year? ten years? But in the end, it should be up to the writers. Yes, they should be encouraged to strive for better storytelling and character's depth. No, you can't collectively censor everyone brutally, the industry and amateurs (doujinshi-makers) could die (or at least shrink to a smaller size). In a nutshell, self-imposing limitations can stay as an individual exercise. |
There is only one truth in this world かわいいは正義 Also, robots are your friends ✿❀(*ᴗ͈ˬᴗ͈)ꕤ*.゚⋆˚✿˖° Check our anime affinity, Senpai! Fellow cute girl lovers FR accepted. Watch NGNL, ฅ^•ﻌ•^ฅ you bastard~~desu Yuri is life. Now, break a sweat. ★May the stars shine upon you.★ |
Apr 2, 11:46 AM
#32
| I'm not reading that. Anyway, in rare cases censorship could fix a trash design, but in the majority it's simply worse on principal. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
Apr 2, 12:03 PM
#33
| This guy has no life and he is doing his best to prove it. |
Apr 2, 12:10 PM
#34
| I enjoy censoring hentai. Hentai shouldn't even exist in the first place. |
Apr 3, 7:15 AM
#35
| It depends on what kind of art you are talking about. Censorship existed to limit the expression of art that was harmful for the interests of the authorities. I haven't seen any anime with a message that goes against the current status. Asian art is in general very conservative. The censorship on explicit themes exists to limit what you can see or read because you are a silly child and authorities are your mature seniors. |
Apr 3, 8:15 AM
#36
| I would not say so, depending on what one means by censorship, but I do think limitations can make art better, especially budgetary ones. Give someone too much money and they will think about what they can do with it, rather than what the story needs. Another example is the Cell Saga from Dragon Ball Z, where Toriyama's editor questioned why an old man like Gero should be the final antagonist of the previous arc. I also have to concur, you are trying way too hard to look smart. |
PeripheralVisionApr 3, 8:27 AM
| Auroraloose's Aurorasimp “Like poking a strange horny animal with a stick” -fleurbleue the incredibly sadistic Québécois |
Apr 3, 8:36 AM
#37
| I don't think top-down censorship from governments makes art better per se, but I do think constraints can force artists to be more creative. In early modern Europe, a whole new genre of music, the oratorio, had to be invented to circumvent the ban on performing opera during Lent. Without that, we wouldn't have Handel's oratorio Messiah, which is one of the greatest works of European music. Banning individual works is bad, but new genres are always cool. Other kinds of constraints work too. The Neon Genesis Evangelion team running out of time near the end of their show forced them to create something really unique and interesting in episodes 25 and 26. Smaller budgets can have the same effect. |
Apr 3, 8:41 AM
#38
| If we're talking about creating art to circumvent government's censorship, I'll complete my previous answer with the illustrious figure of Voltaire. A French author known throughout the European Enlightenment era for his freedom of speech, open criticism of religion and clever satire. He also influenced North America through Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin. In Latin America, his ideas were inspiring for Simón Bolívar and other revolutionaries. "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too." - Voltaire In answer to the spirit of Voltaire, you've probably read or heard this famous line at least once: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Evelyn Beatrice Hall Voltaire used satire and irony to say the opposite of what he meant. His most famous work Candide features this famous line: "Everything is for the best in the best of all possible worlds." - Candide (eponymous character) Other techniques to bypass censorship: - Foreign land settings bordering on imaginary like in Zadig's persian land or Micromegas aliens. -Fake praise to mock authority. - Popular light novel style, way before light novel was even introduced as a genre! All hail weeb Voltaire! - Publishing across borders and hiding his real name. Voltaire is a fake name (a pseudonym) in case you didn't know. Would Voltaire methods still work today? China & Russia (partially authoritarian): His approach could be effective, but modern censorship is aggressive. Only subtle writing and a few intellectuals could grasp it. North Korea (totally authoritarian): Almost impossible—citizens have no internet, no access to foreign books, and propaganda is all-encompassing. From a purely artistic (or in this case literary) style POV, yes, censorship makes art better. But given the state of our world, those who need it the least might prefer more freedom of speech. |
There is only one truth in this world かわいいは正義 Also, robots are your friends ✿❀(*ᴗ͈ˬᴗ͈)ꕤ*.゚⋆˚✿˖° Check our anime affinity, Senpai! Fellow cute girl lovers FR accepted. Watch NGNL, ฅ^•ﻌ•^ฅ you bastard~~desu Yuri is life. Now, break a sweat. ★May the stars shine upon you.★ |
Apr 3, 8:43 AM
#39
| I don't care about censorship. Censorship is just arbritary rules that the elites make up for their own benefit. |
Apr 3, 8:48 AM
#40
Reply to DesuMaiden
I don't care about censorship. Censorship is just arbritary rules that the elites make up for their own benefit.
| @DesuMaiden Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you. |
There is only one truth in this world かわいいは正義 Also, robots are your friends ✿❀(*ᴗ͈ˬᴗ͈)ꕤ*.゚⋆˚✿˖° Check our anime affinity, Senpai! Fellow cute girl lovers FR accepted. Watch NGNL, ฅ^•ﻌ•^ฅ you bastard~~desu Yuri is life. Now, break a sweat. ★May the stars shine upon you.★ |
Apr 3, 9:24 AM
#41
| no fuck censorhip the richest place on earth is a graveyard why is that? because the richest place on earth is in someones mind.... BUT that person either felt their idea would be shot down/censored or not taken seriously, so they didn't put it out there who knows what creative ideas we'd be getting if there was no censorship what does censorship do? it causes people to basically copy paste eachother, especially when the idea is extremely safe i can understand not showing outright porn/penetration, etc on TV, but thats about it, if people wanna make extreme/offensive content, they should be able to, its not like people HAVE TO watch it |
Apr 3, 10:51 AM
#42
| And what exactly are the governments trying to censor? |
Apr 3, 3:54 PM
#43
Reply to PeripheralVision
I would not say so, depending on what one means by censorship, but I do think limitations can make art better, especially budgetary ones. Give someone too much money and they will think about what they can do with it, rather than what the story needs. Another example is the Cell Saga from Dragon Ball Z, where Toriyama's editor questioned why an old man like Gero should be the final antagonist of the previous arc.
I also have to concur, you are trying way too hard to look smart.
I also have to concur, you are trying way too hard to look smart.
PeripheralVision said: I also have to concur, you are trying way too hard to look smart. I wasn't even trying that, really, it was just a "shower thought" that I had. |
Apr 3, 4:11 PM
#44
| No, censorship is bad for your eyes. |
| Anti-aliasing enthusiast |
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