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Mar 29, 11:27 AM
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japan cares more about emotional impact of anime rather than pure or complex logical stories that the western anime fans want

true or false? prime example is demon slayer its all emotional and hype but we see a lot of western fans using critical thinking and logic saying its the worst anime ever same is true for most battle shonens
Mar 29, 11:40 AM
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I'd say that western fans just want to complain.

Mar 29, 11:42 AM
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What I see from western "weebs" is a fixation for fights sakuga and "aura moments". It's cringey, especially on twitter.

Mar 29, 11:45 AM
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If we are talking anime fans from the west, no. It is kind of sad that the west is perceived as some dei tourists when a clear majority of people here despise that stuff. The people who fund our media 👃 really destroy our reputation, but oh well.
Mar 29, 11:49 AM
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western fans should be grateful they can even get anime and stop complaining.
Mar 29, 11:57 AM
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What I see from western "weebs" is a fixation for fights sakuga and "aura moments". It's cringey, especially on twitter.
@KitsuFrost i think both sides appreciates eye candy like remember the japanese fans complaining about the mid animation quality of sakamoto days

but when it comes to complaining about plot holes and asspulls the loudest fans to complain are westerners while we do not see any news of japanese fans complaining about plot holes and asspulls

i remember the ending of attack on titan manga the japanese fans are so emotional about the ending of mikasa and eren while the western manga fans only cares about the logical consistency of the plot saying the manga ending is so shit
Mar 29, 12:15 PM
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western fans should be grateful they can even get anime and stop complaining.
@tchitchouan Totally agreed, back in the day the Japanese used to gatekeep their knowledge really hard
Mar 29, 12:22 PM
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I'd say that western fans just want to complain.
Piromysl said:
I'd say that western fans just want to complain.


lol That's basically all westerners do is bitch and whine about Japanese Anime most of the time. lol


Mar 29, 12:26 PM
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I think both Japanese and western anime fans care about wanting to feel, but western fans seem to care much more about things in anime being realistic, logical, and grounded in reality than Japanese fans do.

Another difference between Japanese and western anime fans: Auramaxxing / aura farming lol. It's primarily enjoyed among young western anime fans, and probably not so much among Japanese anime fans.


Mar 29, 12:33 PM

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More like "emotional fans want to feel, intellectual fans want to think"
Mar 29, 12:40 PM

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I think it is more complicated than that. Anime is by far one of the greatest sources of young adult entertainment by shear volume. It combines the fantastical and a higher level of mature violence and conflicts absent in most of our animation but does not go that much into more adult storylines that may be depressing. Killing the demon king Muzan is something I find easier to relax to than something like The Wire covering police brutality or Severance with workplace exploitation. Those themes are more thoughtful, yes, but also depressing and takes energy to think about.

Regarding violence, Avatar: The Last Airbender can only go so far with its action that ultimately leaves the series feeling neutered in its violence, and even adult animation in the west feels like it is overcompensating by being especially brutal. Heck, even Invincible, which is the closest we have to a Western shounen these days, can be exceptionally violent compared to something like Demon Slayer or even Jujutsu Kaisen. Like seriously, Nolan elbowing that woman's jaw off is so brutal, alongside that train scene, and resembles the violence of something like Berserk more than Demon Slayer.

I don't think it is true that Japan cares more about emotion because anime is just one part of their media consumption, but I do think anime does emphasize emotional impact because of its target demographics usually desiring these sorts of conflicts that are more mature but not too mature. Perhaps I am projecting, but that's why I watch anime. It does not feel so utterly torn between being adult and being for children that a ton of media in the West often seems to be. In a way, anime is family entertainment, but once the kids grow up.

Most entertainment in general is not super-intellectual though, and so no one who wants to think will solely watch anime.
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Mar 29, 12:47 PM

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Orb and Apothecary Diaries are more popular in Japan while the west is obsessed with Solo Leveling and nothing else so 🤷‍♂️
Mar 29, 1:04 PM

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@KitsuFrost i think both sides appreciates eye candy like remember the japanese fans complaining about the mid animation quality of sakamoto days

but when it comes to complaining about plot holes and asspulls the loudest fans to complain are westerners while we do not see any news of japanese fans complaining about plot holes and asspulls

i remember the ending of attack on titan manga the japanese fans are so emotional about the ending of mikasa and eren while the western manga fans only cares about the logical consistency of the plot saying the manga ending is so shit
@deg Yes, this is interesting. I notice that sometimes there's an overreaction towards anime, in a way that doesn't happen that much in Japan. The way western audience reacts towards art is different. I also remember a "most powerful characters" list made by japanese otakus and they ranked Levi close to Zeno. I also feel that this wannabe 3x3 favorites façade is something almost exclusive to western groups.

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All I ask for is a good story. Or something interesting. Of course I've been watching Anime' for decades now so I've gotten a little jaded, but every now & then a new Gem is found. I don't care about how different audiences react, just as long as more is MADE. Period.
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@deg Yes, this is interesting. I notice that sometimes there's an overreaction towards anime, in a way that doesn't happen that much in Japan. The way western audience reacts towards art is different. I also remember a "most powerful characters" list made by japanese otakus and they ranked Levi close to Zeno. I also feel that this wannabe 3x3 favorites façade is something almost exclusive to western groups.
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I notice that sometimes there's an overreaction towards anime, in a way that doesn't happen that much in Japan.
Japanese fans do sometimes have overblown reactions, you just don't see them because they post their reactions on Japanese forums instead of making videos about them & they don't speak English. One example I can think of is Studio Khara getting a lot of death threats from Asushin, Kawoshin & Reishin fans because of the ending to the last Evangelion Rebuild movie.
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And there is no reason to take anime seriously.
Mar 31, 2:30 AM
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More like "emotional fans want to feel, intellectual fans want to think"
@Zarutaku are you saying japanese are not smart? i mean japan ranks high in average iq scores
Mar 31, 2:34 AM

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Definitely a lot of vocal Western fans like to seethe over anime, rather than think or feel those shows, lol.
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@Zarutaku are you saying japanese are not smart? i mean japan ranks high in average iq scores
@deg No, I wasn't implying that and I don't even know if the Japanese primarily watch for the feels, but even if they do it doesn't imply they aren't smart.
Mar 31, 3:14 AM
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@deg No, I wasn't implying that and I don't even know if the Japanese primarily watch for the feels, but even if they do it doesn't imply they aren't smart.
@Zarutaku ah ok my bad for misunderstanding that
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Piromysl said:
I'd say that western fans just want to complain.


lol That's basically all westerners do is bitch and whine about Japanese Anime most of the time. lol
@ColourWheel blaming one society can't change everything.
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Watching Western anime YTers react to Orb, and "thinking" is not the verb that first comes to mind.
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most western fans don't even deserve to watch anime. forget about what they think

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"japanese fans wants to feel and western fans wants to think"

It's more like japanese fans follow what is being advertised to them by the industry and western fans follow "the cool kids" (who are usually paid by the industry).

The emotional/analytic part depends on the current trend...
Mar 31, 4:29 AM

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I would say most western fans don't even have the brain capacity to think
Mar 31, 5:09 AM
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western "fans" want to overthink. bebop is cool but the way americans yap about it WHILE NOT OWNING A SINGLE BLU RAY EVEN THOUGH IT CAME OUT DURING THE PEAK OF PHYSICAL MEDIA IN THE EARLY 2000s means they are all bark and no bite.
There's a reason some countries have all Jojo parts translted before the 2012 anime came out and Americans just barely finished the part 6 release the other day.
American fans will yap and overanalyse how the 60 year old open lolicon is akshually a feminist (Miyazaki) or how the military and toku otaku is akshually anti otaku (Anno).
Mar 31, 5:49 AM

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@ColourWheel blaming one society can't change everything.
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@ColourWheel blaming one society can't change everything.


If one is talking about a change to society, definitely doing nothing won't change anything either.

Although, I wasn't throwing blame, simply pointing out a basic fact. One could simply comb through just the MAL forums alone and find a majority of Users simply just bitching and whining about something related to Japanese Anime. Whatever the reason is for is irrelevant to my original statement. Such bitching and whining on this specific platform most of the time even lacks the self aware of doing so as well. Where Users are generally displaying just impulsive behavior when it comes to discussions. Often times without even realizing it, all they are basically doing is bitching and whining.

Though without pointing shit like this out and actually bringing attention to such impulsive behavior, it's hard to believe anything would change without trying to make Users more aware if that was even ones goal. Where if Users are perpetually reminded of this, it's definitely worth pointing out in the least. It certainly doesn't hurt, other than the possibility of Users being humiliated by being reminded of their own behavior when all they do is bitch and whine. lol



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western "fans" want to overthink. bebop is cool but the way americans yap about it WHILE NOT OWNING A SINGLE BLU RAY EVEN THOUGH IT CAME OUT DURING THE PEAK OF PHYSICAL MEDIA IN THE EARLY 2000s means they are all bark and no bite.
There's a reason some countries have all Jojo parts translted before the 2012 anime came out and Americans just barely finished the part 6 release the other day.
American fans will yap and overanalyse how the 60 year old open lolicon is akshually a feminist (Miyazaki) or how the military and toku otaku is akshually anti otaku (Anno).
@Dienen You can in fact love and understand a thing and hate what it does and how people interact with it at the same time. A considerable amount of interesting work comes from people doing this.

Anno is deeply nerdy. Gunbuster is a Top Gun homage, Evangelion overflows with love for Go Nagai, Gundam, tokusatsu, and Thunderbirds, and almost all of his post-Evangelion output is playing with franchises he grew up with like Godzilla and Kamen Rider and now Gundam. Evangelion, especially the End of Evangelion, is also a fairly hostile work. It shrinks from the easy satisfaction offered by some of its inspirations. For being a mecha show it doesn't lean tremendously hard on mecha action. The End of Evangelion is pretty much the opposite of a satisfying climax, and has a scathing contempt for the worst elements of fandom up to including actual hate mail received by Gainax which is intercut with the sequence where the world of the show is obliterated. Then he made the rebuilds which flatly refuse to pander to nostalgia. Anno is a fan that is keenly aware of how stupid and capricious fans can be.

It's somewhat similar to the case of Alan Moore. Watchmen, Miracleman, and Top 10 could only come from someone who really gets superheroes and has a comprehensive understanding of their stories and how they work and what effect they have on people and also has a significant amount of suspicion and contempt for the assumptions superhero comics and their audience commonly make about how the world works.
Mar 31, 6:11 AM
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Western Fans mostly just want cool animation and fights.
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I think the shounenkeks over on social media who still hype up battle shounen and get disappointed when the same exact battle shounen do not live up to the hype are way, way more cringe.
Like dude it's battle shounen, what were you expecting?
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Voted true, but it's not really in the meaning of "wanting" but "being". Western countries tend to rationalize things a lot through the lens of science and capitalism, including our very own community rationale on PLOT > the rest.

Japanese culture is much more poetic, with subtle double meaning and visual graphics through the Kanjis. They spend their daily life immersed in 2D : manga and anime is so huge out there with over-the-top characters. They are far better than us at expressing themselves through art.

For once, I'll take music as an example:

- they are known world wide for the Yamaha flutes (the most known of the Muramatsu flutes)
- there are wind bands (吹奏楽部, suisougakubu) or even full orchestra clubs in every school
- cliché school plays like Romeo and Juliet or Momotarou often feature background music, sometimes played live by students
- they are keeping their traditional music strong: Koto (琴) is played in some music school clubs (Koto clubs) and in modern groups like the Wagakki Band
- Enka still exists and is thriving (even if less than J-Pop or K-Pop)
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- there are national competitions; you may be familiar with it because of the Hibike Euphonium! anime
- needless to say, idols are everywhere
- traditional Japanese music can be very seasonal (just like their food, festivals or poetry) with a huge thematic take on nature or nostalgia (e.g. Sakura themed songs, Obon dance, autumnal moon viewing (tsukimi), snow Enka)

I'll drop my favorite song first lyrics there. If you know the exact title or band at first glance, you're a person of culture ^^


At the end of the day, we're all able to think AND feel. It's just the different part of our brains are not trained/stimulated in the same way because of the cultural environment we live in.
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Mar 31, 11:44 AM
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Japanese people have such iq, they're voluntarily going extinct. Thanks!
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I don’t know man, most western fans apparently have orgasm whenever they see oppa on screen.
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deg said:
western fans using critical thinking and logic
lol what? What does this even mean? Japanese people don't consume media with a critical lens? I'd say when it comes to emotional impact both Japanese and westerners care about that the same, haven't seen anything to prove otherwise.
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deg said:
demon slayer its all emotional and hype but we see a lot of western fans using critical thinking and logic saying its the worst anime ever
but I see more praise for KnY than criticism even among western fans. Besides, what about non-western non-japanese fans?
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demon slayer its all emotional and hype but we see a lot of western fans using critical thinking and logic saying its the worst anime ever
but I see more praise for KnY than criticism even among western fans. Besides, what about non-western non-japanese fans?
@TRC_Randy SEA (Philippines, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, Vietnam, etc..) has the biggest anime community in the world, second only to Japan itself. And I can assure you Kimetsu no Yaiba is rocking over there especially in Indonesia
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>Western fans want to think

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHA

Phew, that’s the funniest shit I’ve heard recently.

Yeah Skibidi toilet, Riverdale, Emilia Perez, Madame Web, Velma, and Fifty Shades of Grey are truly thought provoking, intelligent, tightly written pieces of media compared to Japanese media.
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I am tired of thoughts, no more thinking please.
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Animation is simply not worth watching for the "plot". Read a book for a good plot, instead.

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