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Mar 21, 9:00 AM

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I never noticed Elitists but that is probably because of two reasons, I haven't been using Mal for that long (4 Months Tomorrow) And 2. I tend to only really go to forums not really related to anime like casual discussion so I haven't given myself much of a chance to encounter one either.
Mar 21, 2:45 PM

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Most of the classic pretentious elitist types probably gave up on the medium as a whole or in its discussion, but that attitude is still alive and well even with mainstream stuff.



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Mar 21, 3:35 PM

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Now that's a name I have not heard in a long time.

And yet it took me about a minute to find something absolutely idiotic Digibro said about deconstruction.

What you ask for cannot exist within this institution, which exists to encourage incessant blather and various bad forms of engagement and argument, to flatter the unskilled while hiding from them their lack of skill, and to maintain a capitalist apparatus of consumers and money flows. All varieties of elitism that arise in such a system are a sham, because its foundations don't allow anything besides manipulative post hoc justifications of analyses. As long as the sentiments—all of which are false consciousness—"taste is subjective," "don't watch it if you don't like it," "everyone is biased," "art is interesting because there is no consensus," or that criticism is "fighting over nothing," reign in your social space where you want to analyze art, nothing will result but more of the same forum muck. And it is in the interest of anyone who benefits from plugging into this system and using it as intended for it to continue making actual analysis impossible. I mean, look!: "I Was Browsing MAL As Usual Then I Realized My Web Novel Could Become Manga."

Skill in criticism generally comes from humanities departments. People who actually have this skill have spent enough time with it that they would rather do more serious things than unclog a helpless cesspool. And those like Digibro, who know only the spectacular forms of analysis and thus don't invest the time or seriousness necessary to become actual critics, can only become manipulative faux-intellectuals. I don't care what degree or lack thereof Digibro has; he is not good enough. The only anime critic I've come across who even comes close to knowing what he's talking about is Nick Creamer, and he's allowed his own political delusions to devour him like capitalism ate critical theory in the 60s and 70s. Per MacIntyre, "Moral judgments are linguistic survivals from the practices of classical theism which have lost the context provided by these practices"; in the same way asking for real criticism in the anime community is like asking why the apes in 2001: A Space Odyssey didn't just go to Jupiter themselves.

Jupiter is beyond you, and nobody is coming to help you get there. All you can do if you actually appreciate the humanities and also like anime is huddle in small circles like the Albertian Order of Leibowitz. Doing so requires disowning almost all the regnant beliefs about art held by the anime community, which means nobody listening to you.
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And those like Digibro, who know only the spectacular forms of analysis and thus don't invest the time or seriousness necessary to become actual critics, can only become manipulative faux-intellectuals.

For someone who's starving, food with bland taste would be the most delicious thing ever.
The way the community currently is, having faux-intellectuals would already be more than good.
Mar 22, 9:35 AM

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is it elitism when you despise popular and well produced, yet poorly written brain rot shonen and isekai trash for mentally handicapped 6-year olds?
Mar 24, 12:34 PM

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We still have elitists. They're just mainstream. It flipped. Before, the elitists mocked you for only watching the popular stuff that was currently airing. Now, they mock you for watching things outside of what's mainstream.

What you want is someone well read with critical thought. You want more analysis and recommendations. You want deep dives. There's some on YouTube and there's even a few on TikTok. Less so on TikTok due to most videos being super short. However, I do follow someone on TikTok who does deep dives on Nana, Berserk, etc. They stuck out because numerous videos were them analyzing a situation or panel, and that video would be 5+ minutes, when most TikTok videos were less than 2 minutes.

Mar 24, 12:45 PM

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@thewiru because we're getting farther and farther away from the age in which "elitist starter pack" anime thrived, the late 90s-early 2000s. If you start watching anime in the 2020s you'll most likely start with whatever is popular right now; most people will drop this hobby after a few years and they might never know they would have loved those elitist anime because they never had the chance to watch them.

With that said, new anime fans can still be just as arrogant. The difference is that a few years ago the guy who insulted me for no reason had the elitist starter pack in his favorites, whereas more recently the same insults came from a fan of AoT, Demon Slayer and Solo Leveling.
@Nirinbo Pretty much this... Mainstream battle Shounen fans, that occasionally watch stuff outside of it (i.e. Solo Leveling and Vinland Saga), are the new elitists.

One example was on TikTok. A person commented that JJK would be better if Gege were a woman, which is a stupid statement. I entertained them and asked how it would be different, and to give examples of women that make manga. They pointed out Frieren and Witch Hat Atelier and couldn't name anything else. So then I asked them. "If you've only read two series made by women, how can you assume that JJK would be better if it were written by a woman? If going by your read/watch history, one could safely assume that you likely would've have read JJK if it were made by a woman." Then they said that women making manga were rare and I replied with, "women in manga are actually quite common. List any Shoujo or Josei series, and it's likely to have been made by a woman. Even quite a few Seinen, and a few Shounen have been made by women. Women in manga aren't rare. And once again, how can you assume that JJK would be better if written by a woman, if you don't even read manga written by women?"

They blocked me and called me pretentious for reading Shoujo... I guess they clicked my profile and saw that I was a Shoujo fan. Mind you... Sailor Moon, Fruits Basket, Nana, Kimi ni Todoke, Ouran High School Host Club, Cardcaptor Sakura, etc., are mainstream series that happen to be Shoujo... Heck, even Chihayafuru, Princess Jellyfish, and Paradise Kiss are mainstream series that are Josei.

The new elitists look down on you for watching more than mainstream action anime, will look down on you for analyzing the series, will look down on you for writing more than 3 sentences, etc.
Mar 24, 5:23 PM

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@Nirinbo Pretty much this... Mainstream battle Shounen fans, that occasionally watch stuff outside of it (i.e. Solo Leveling and Vinland Saga), are the new elitists.

One example was on TikTok. A person commented that JJK would be better if Gege were a woman, which is a stupid statement. I entertained them and asked how it would be different, and to give examples of women that make manga. They pointed out Frieren and Witch Hat Atelier and couldn't name anything else. So then I asked them. "If you've only read two series made by women, how can you assume that JJK would be better if it were written by a woman? If going by your read/watch history, one could safely assume that you likely would've have read JJK if it were made by a woman." Then they said that women making manga were rare and I replied with, "women in manga are actually quite common. List any Shoujo or Josei series, and it's likely to have been made by a woman. Even quite a few Seinen, and a few Shounen have been made by women. Women in manga aren't rare. And once again, how can you assume that JJK would be better if written by a woman, if you don't even read manga written by women?"

They blocked me and called me pretentious for reading Shoujo... I guess they clicked my profile and saw that I was a Shoujo fan. Mind you... Sailor Moon, Fruits Basket, Nana, Kimi ni Todoke, Ouran High School Host Club, Cardcaptor Sakura, etc., are mainstream series that happen to be Shoujo... Heck, even Chihayafuru, Princess Jellyfish, and Paradise Kiss are mainstream series that are Josei.

The new elitists look down on you for watching more than mainstream action anime, will look down on you for analyzing the series, will look down on you for writing more than 3 sentences, etc.
@LuxuriousHeart a common dilemma among anime fans is: all those battle shounen fans who think they're better than everyone else, can they be considered elitists? I'd say they're arrogant, but not elitists. Elitism also requires that their feeling of superiority comes from appreciating intellectual anime that in some cases aren't easily digestible by the masses. If all of your favorites are literally the most popular battle shounen of the moment you can't be an elitist, but you can still be as arrogant as one.
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@LuxuriousHeart a common dilemma among anime fans is: all those battle shounen fans who think they're better than everyone else, can they be considered elitists? I'd say they're arrogant, but not elitists. Elitism also requires that their feeling of superiority comes from appreciating intellectual anime that in some cases aren't easily digestible by the masses. If all of your favorites are literally the most popular battle shounen of the moment you can't be an elitist, but you can still be as arrogant as one.
@Nirinbo That's a good point. Hmm... I'd say the modern elitists now are the Isekai slop watchers. They only watch slop isekai, harem, ecchi, and loli series. They also call everyone else tourists.

The modern battle Shounen fans used to exist, now that I think about it. They were the ones that used to only watch Dragon Ball, and would call everyone else nerdy. They're doing the same thing now.

Tbh, I'd rather the older elitists. At least the older elitists had better taste.
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Anybody that likes psychological and darker anime and thinks that 90% of anime are garbage= elitist apparently
Mar 24, 9:11 PM

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> What happened to elitists?

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Nirinbo said:
a common dilemma among anime fans is: all those battle shounen fans who think they're better than everyone else, can they be considered elitists? I'd say they're arrogant, but not elitists. Elitism also requires that their feeling of superiority comes from appreciating intellectual anime that in some cases aren't easily digestible by the masses. If all of your favorites are literally the most popular battle shounen of the moment you can't be an elitist, but you can still be as arrogant as one.

Yes, they qualify as elitists. Have you seen them on social media? They think any anime that isn't their precious battle shounen or [insert mainstream anime that appeals to the wider audience] is diddy/epstein/gooner propaganda. Recently, they called Haruhi (I quote) "some random anime show from the 1980s thats called "i got reincarnated as diddy and now i wanna go to the store to buy a cupcake". They're also toxic towards other fans as well. So of course a lot of anime fans will want this crowd to fuck off. The irony of saying such things when they revere One Piece; Oda Eiichiro supports and looks up to Watsuki Nobuhiro as his beloved sensei, a convinced pedophile guilty of possessing CSEM. Keep in mind that it isn't only him, but several others as well who also created their precious battle shounen too.

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Nirinbo said:
a common dilemma among anime fans is: all those battle shounen fans who think they're better than everyone else, can they be considered elitists? I'd say they're arrogant, but not elitists. Elitism also requires that their feeling of superiority comes from appreciating intellectual anime that in some cases aren't easily digestible by the masses. If all of your favorites are literally the most popular battle shounen of the moment you can't be an elitist, but you can still be as arrogant as one.

Yes, they qualify as elitists. Have you seen them on social media? They think any anime that isn't their precious battle shounen or [insert mainstream anime that appeals to the wider audience] is diddy/epstein/gooner propaganda. Recently, they called Haruhi (I quote) "some random anime show from the 1980s thats called "i got reincarnated as diddy and now i wanna go to the store to buy a cupcake". They're also toxic towards other fans as well. So of course a lot of anime fans will want this crowd to fuck off. The irony of saying such things when they revere One Piece; Oda Eiichiro supports and looks up to Watsuki Nobuhiro as his beloved sensei, a convinced pedophile guilty of possessing CSEM. Keep in mind that it isn't only him, but several others as well who also created their precious battle shounen too.

@LeonhartAugust

So, do you feel better now after all that virtue signalling?
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Nirinbo said:
a common dilemma among anime fans is: all those battle shounen fans who think they're better than everyone else, can they be considered elitists? I'd say they're arrogant, but not elitists. Elitism also requires that their feeling of superiority comes from appreciating intellectual anime that in some cases aren't easily digestible by the masses. If all of your favorites are literally the most popular battle shounen of the moment you can't be an elitist, but you can still be as arrogant as one.

Yes, they qualify as elitists. Have you seen them on social media? They think any anime that isn't their precious battle shounen or [insert mainstream anime that appeals to the wider audience] is diddy/epstein/gooner propaganda. Recently, they called Haruhi (I quote) "some random anime show from the 1980s thats called "i got reincarnated as diddy and now i wanna go to the store to buy a cupcake". They're also toxic towards other fans as well. So of course a lot of anime fans will want this crowd to fuck off. The irony of saying such things when they revere One Piece; Oda Eiichiro supports and looks up to Watsuki Nobuhiro as his beloved sensei, a convinced pedophile guilty of possessing CSEM. Keep in mind that it isn't only him, but several others as well who also created their precious battle shounen too.

@LeonhartAugust There's a single, simple word that describes them: TOURIST. They're into anime only because it's the current thing to like (since most American shows and movies have been plain and simply garbage for the past ten years or so; that and the "I SUPPORT CURRENT THING" mentality).
The way those tourists call fanservice "Diddy-ahh/Epstein/gooner" all while spamming skull emojis tells me they're not sincere fans. Either they 1) consume such content but are afraid of admitting they consume it because the fat boomer republican types will attack them or 2) are so coddled they unironically can't split fiction from reality. It's the only explanation.

TL;DR: These so called "elitists" on social media are tourists who are in no way "elite", let alone anime fans, all quirks of the medium included.
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