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Mar 16, 3:02 PM

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To maximise aura sometimes sacrifices need to be made.

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-POPEYE- said:
Why like is it just me or did i miss anything?

You haven't said anything character-wise or story-wise that explains why you think he would/should.

1) Why would he? From a character perspective he's currently questioning his own humanity, so he may not have an instinct to save everyone. We saw with the ice elves he didn't and he chose to with the high orcs because that team showed they were willing to die to make an opening for someone "weaker" than them to escape. His moves for a while now have been about what he gets out of them. He'll protect what he chooses to and when he chooses to.

2) Do we know exactly what information he gets from them? maybe he just sees when one dies and it only triggered once Goto kicked the bucket, since he was the first to die of those he might have had put his shadows on. If he found out for the delayed stream that answers the question itself. If it was from the injuries, then...

3) Activating I'm guessing A rank shadows against ant king that was wrecking S ranks would get them destroyed IMMEDIATELY leaving with no way to exchange in.
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you don't get it it's all about the aura, kids love this kinda thing. as they always say heroes come last
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0__Dante__0 said:
to show everyone of u that none can beat the boss but him

😂i thinks the same
Mar 16, 7:32 PM

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Emrys_ said:
I think everyone here missed the point. He saved his mom. He got his happy ending and wants to enjoy it. But deeper reason is that he’s not going because he wants to. He still wants to fight strong foes. He almost made 2 reckless decisions this season (thinking about fighting the A rank boss while mining and fighting Goto intensely) he’s self aware of the fact he’s like this and that it can cause problems for the people around him. He saw the lineup for the raid and decided not to get involved. And technically he was right. They were ready with the information everyone had. No one including Jinwoo knew about the ant king. The raid would have gone fine without that. He still had shadows watching just in case. Narratively yes the story is doing this to showcase his power. But the reason is given as well if you pay attention to what he’s been thinking to himself: he’s afraid that the more indulges his urge to fight he becomes further away from being the person his family knows and is instead turning into the thing he had to become to keep them safe.

I think this is the best take honestly
@RangaTempest

Yeah @Emrys_ 's take is a solid one and completely supported by the anime alone. MC does goad his S-Hunter Sparring opponent into nearly giving him a major injury (losing an eye), which I am sure would not help with his Mom's mental recovery, but its plausible to assume a high level healer could fix him up if needed. So I see no holes in @Emrys_ 's explanation.

Well done @Emrys_ !
Mar 16, 7:53 PM
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To Aura Farm obviously
Mar 16, 8:07 PM
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Jinwoo taking his sweet time getting on top of a 50-foot building for aura and hype moments.


there's no defense here, jinwoo is a troll, each plot is forced to have jinwoo arriving late just so he can "save" the day even if has to sacrifice the writing. it's funny tho so they should keep doing it.
Mar 16, 9:06 PM
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Moore21 said:
i think it got something to do with the fact that they receive the images from the camera 10 minutes ago (mentionned in the previous episode), so there's a delay and when he saw that the s-ranks were getting cooked on the tv, he decided to exchange with the shadow

THIS! A lot of people think this is all just lazy writing but if people would LISTEN they discussed having a 10 minute delay in case the raid went south. Jinwoo couldn’t get there any earlier because he had no idea. It also doesn’t make sense that people say the shadows he placed are spies, when they don’t activate until HE commands them to. When he felt Goto die, I am guessing his shadow placed on him dissipated or sent that energy to Jinwoo himself idk, thats when he realized something has gone terribly wrong. People gotta listen and digest the story instead of insulting the writing. Cause this writing isn’t lazy- it’s setting itself up for what will unfold.
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There is not a single good reason from Jin-Woo not to be in the raid from the start. For the people who said "He didn't want to reveal his power to the Japanese", doesn't make sense since he purposefully fought two Japanese guy in their practice. Sure, he didn't show his summon to the Japanese, but he showed it to a lot of people already... And considering he's already the strongest fighter out of two countries, why would he hid it ?
To the people who said : It's because he doesn't want his mother to worry... Doesn't make sense, he was going into Dungeon as the lowest ranked hunter for several years, and now he's the strongest, he would stop doing a raid when losing mean the end of at least Korea (or losing all political statut and having to depend of other countries)

The real reason is just : The author doesn't want him here. Simple. The only way the author can somehow show how STRONG Jin-woo is... is by showing what happen when he's not here. In the second season, when they get in the first dungeon, with the ice elf dude and bear, he doesn't help the other parties, so they die, and so we can see that Jin-woo is above rank A. He could have helped them, he didn't, we didn't care because the A-Rank let them to die, so, it was justified.

Then, when they get to the dungeon with the red orc and Tusk, he let them get destroyed for no reason (and no need to hide his power since he was going to be announced soon as S-Rank), then, he helped them. The reason was "it's your dungeon, so, I needed your authorization to help you", which was bullshit since he helped them two minutes ago, and no one want to die. Utterly non sense but hey, at least, Jin-Woo didn't let anyone die.

Now, he just let people die. By not being here. By not sending hundred of armies. We know Jin-Woo could have handled the whole island on its own.

Jin Woo is not here because he can't be here, since he would solo everything. He can't be there, in the same way that mangaka needs to find bullshit reason for overpowered character to not be there. Such as : Son Goku arriving after freeza on earth, so, freeza can be killed by trunks (when Son Goku has just learned the instant transmission so he could have arrived before freea), or in the movie dragon ball heroes, Goku/Vegeta are on Planet Beerus and can't be contacted so that Son Gohan and Picollo has to do something on their own otherwise there is no movie.

Too strong character needs to be away. But, instead of creating a scenario where Jin Woo can't be there for reason, author didn't bother. For instance, you could have Jin woo getting ready to join the raid, when they receive the information that ants are attacking the city where his mother is, with three special soldiers, so he has to go back to save them.

Jin woo is not here for no reason except he can't be there. And it's just bad writing. It's not like this show has any good writing from the start, or good fighting system (most S-Rank are just physically strong, even Jin Woo power are 99% of the time useless since he defeat people with his assassin skill alone), or good character, they never let one single S-Rank shine a little, they either fight unremarkable opponent with ease or get killed with ease.

Even in this episode, there is a lot of stuff not making sense :

Why does the strongest ants, who was just born in the cave near the Queen, just left the queen, when there was several S-Rank closing in, to kill random S-rank outside, who were presenting no direct danger to the Queen,
Why did the queen didn't request help from the start and waited to be 99% dead to call for help,
Why did no one realize that several S-Rank were dead for several minutes,
Why did no one even try to call Jin Woo for help after the discovery,

They didn't hype the S-Rank, they didn't hype the ants, author just want Jin-woo to shine. Except, hero needs good villain to shine. Squashing some unknown bugs, because he killed some unknow S-rank hunter who barely said two words, we don't care.
And people say this was inspired from Hunter x Hunter.
Please.
Don't compare them.
Sure, Hunter x Hunter had much more episode, but, if Hunter x Hunter chimera arc is 100, this are is about 2. And I'm being generous. Cause I don't even know what Solo Leveling did right to get two points. Well, maybe, two points for the insert song from season 1 used again (dark aria) but this time from the POV of ants. Which could be "intelligent" if the ant didn't attack human to eat them, so, it doesn't really work, would have been better to use is when Jin-woo arrive to fight the ants.
Nice try, though.

He even stated in the previous ep that he can’t because of his mother. Yes he did raids as an E-rank, but guess what.. his mom was in the coma. How would she possible know, he became a hunter in order to keep himself, his sister and his mother afloat.

There could be multiple reason as to why he did not help the other hunters in previous raids and let them die- even though only some people dies its not like he let everyone get wiped out every time. As he levels up in the show it’s clear he becomes less and less empathetic. He also observes his opponents until he feels he knows their ins and outs.

As for the ants, the black ant probably left the Queen alone to wipe out the hunters outside of nest then finish in the nest if needed because the Queen had ALOT of ants protecting her. Probably didn’t think she’d go down pretty quick.

Also there are more hunters on the ships, why do you think they feel the need to immediately contact Jinwoo? They have other hunters they think are capable of dealing with whats on the island- we as viewers KNOW the ins of Jinwoo and his character development we know he can handle that himself, but how do the characters in the show know that.

This isn’t lazy writing, is it amazing peak writing? No, but the writing is good and you just really need to digest it to see that.
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People are going to try and over complicate things but it's just simply Korea Vs Japan xenophobia, They have a long and complicated history and it often shines through in their works.
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Jixxor said:
What are people struggling with to understand here?

He put shadows on 5 people, these 5 people survived.
He trusted that 10 or so S-Ranks wouldn't be uselessly incompetent, sadly they are.
The livestream was explained to have a 10 minute time delay, it took the Ant like 3 minutes tops to clear the room.

Are people just not watching the show and come here to have pointless arguments?

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People are going to try and over complicate things but it's just simply Korea Vs Japan xenophobia, They have a long and complicated history and it often shines through in their works.
@hotdamnbatman this basically, it's impossible to defend this arc as "good writing", I just hoped that the author would try to be a liiiiiitle better than that:

- Decapitate a few of the Japanese hunters too (even Byung-Gu only got donuted). Even the mandatory Korean casualty (btw there isn't one person who didn't see this guy dying the episode he appeared) was done more respect than any Japanese hunter's, including Goto.
- Give Goto a honourable fight, give him some introspection as he dies. Show him thinking "Man, I never really vibes with the President's idea of screwing over Korea and look where all of this got us". Have Jing-Woo appear as he's dying letting him see how much stronger the guy he nearly fought to the death is. The Japanese hunters were made to look a complete joke despite them being overall stronger than all Koreans not named Sung.
- Don't allow Sung Jin-Woo to get to save the day. Make him suffer for his choice of not joining the team, have him redeem himself in a follow-up raid. Let the Koreans suffer casualties, maybe even have that low-rank girl hunter die in a follow-up ant invasion.


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He doesn't see exactly what happens and his soldiers received a direct order only act when situation was completely lost, but they didn't intervened when Budget Meruem was wrecking S rank hunters because they wouldn't be able to do much against him anyway. Them being activated is what Sung actually felt.
Aldo, it was mentioned that there is significant stream delay.
@Piromysl budget meruem hahaha true
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Mat5i6 said:
I don't think he can see/hear through them. They probably engaged on their own, reporting to him only then. As he was somewhere on a rooftop he didn't even watched the stream.

He can see what the soldiers see though, the webtoon shows him embarrassed as he ends up watching Cha Hae In bathing due to the shadow soldier within her shadow
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He was sure the Japanese S-Ranks and Korean team could handle the raid successfully without him. Beru was an unknown factor, who ended up eating all other ants and became stronger. When all the S-Ranks couldn't handle it, bro had to step in...
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plot device... very unfulfilling answer.
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1. He couldn't put his shadow soldier on min byung gu
2. the Livestream had a 10 min delay so he absolutely had no idea what was happening
3. given how strong goto and others are he thought they'll do it
4. once the soldiers stepped in he became aware of it otherwise he had no idea what was happening
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Wow, all the haters came crawling out of the cracks. Watch the sparing episode it explain the reason. Also stop hate watching. Touch some grass.
@Xenlai you're asking people with little to no social skills and a high obesity rate to stop hate watching and touch grass.
newsflash - they're not gonna. beating a dead horse here mate.
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-POPEYE- said:
Why like is it just me or did i miss anything?

he was watching the fight from the TV if you noticed. the camera man said the footage will be transmitted with a 10 minute delay just in case. I'm guessing that this is why this somehow hapenned. He waited coz by the time the footage reached him, well, they were beaten up quite badly
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Similar to Kirito, literally trying to kill steal the 1st boss to get the loots.
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Mar 20, 6:46 AM

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don't put spoilers in your title?????
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@Arjuna777 Thanks for your effort. Unfortunately, despite clarification from the author, delusional surface scratchers will continue to think what they want.
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you know, maybe Jinwoo just wanted to flex his dramatic timing. Picture him leaning against a rock, checking his nonexistent watch, muttering, “Eh, five more minutes, let’s see if they can dodge the giant ant claws without me.” The S-ranks are dropping like flies, and Jinwoo’s over here perfecting his brooding pose, waiting for the exact moment when the OST kicks in for maximum badassery. He’s not late to the party, he’s fashionably late, because who doesn’t love a grand entrance when everyone’s already half-dead and begging for a savior? classic narcissist move, 10 out of 10 for style, zero for empathy.

But it’s also peak,
Jinwoo selfishness; he could’ve saved more lives if he’d acted sooner. Then again, this is Solo Leveling, not Teamwork Leveling. The dude’s whole arc is about doing things his way, consequences be damned. So, he waited because he could, because it fit his style.☝🏻
@Phosphorescence Bruh, this reason makes so much sense compared to other lame excuses.
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@Phosphorescence Bruh, this reason makes so much sense compared to other lame excuses.
Geark77 said:
@Phosphorescence Bruh, this reason makes so much sense compared to other lame excuses.


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There's a logic why others were saved while Healer didn't. Jin woo probably put a shadow on every Korean present in the training area only activate when their life was in mortal danger. Healer wasn't there so he didn't got one.

But main reason is just trash writing. Even in my logic those shadows should have activated first. When black ant first punched Cha she could have died easily but it didn't activate. He took down everyone to near death but didn't activate and only finsihed the healer.

It's just a ploy to make our mc swoop in be the hero take the credit type shit. Very annoying.
WaterMage said:
There's a logic why others were saved while Healer didn't. Jin woo probably put a shadow on every Korean present in the training area only activate when their life was in mortal danger. Healer wasn't there so he didn't got one.


The shadows don't auto-activate due to life threatening issues, otherwise the one in cha would have activated when she got hit. In my opinion the 5 shadows (conveniently) activated to protect the group coincided at the same time as goto was killed and goto's shadow was instantly returned to jinwoo (maybe it was killed with goto and we assume there is no travel time for a shadow to return, and that jinwoo was paying attention to his mana bar to notice the shadow died), who in turn instantly activated his other shadows to protect whoever was left as he probably felt the situation was life threatening dangerous, but he doesn't know the actual details as to what is going on as the broadcast was cut (if he was watching, which he was supposedly in the source material). We as viewers see the shadows jump out to protect the group just as the ant army is about to bulldoze them, but not instantly as they arrived as the episode showed choi firing consecutive weak[er] fireballs to keep them away so we can surmise that at least a few minutes must have passed for him to keep them stalled, which is the same time frame condensed and implied for beru to find goto and kill him to trigger jinwoo to activate the shadows.
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