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@Zarutaku You're still thinking about this like it's some kind of multiverse or branching timeline scenario, but that’s not how this works. Eren doesn’t ‘receive’ information from another timeline. The Attack Titan allows inheritors to access memories—not premonitions, not alternate realities, but direct memories from past and future inheritors within the same timeline.

We have to ask ourselves.. why can Eren even see glimpses of the future?.. It's because of GRISHA. Eren can't SEE the future, he can only see what his father saw.. which is memories of the future that Eren sends to him once he gets the power of the attack titan mixed with the founder. Grisha didn’t see a different possible future—he saw Eren’s memories of events that had already happened in their one and only timeline. That’s a crucial distinction. There is no “other timeline where the future already happened,” because the future is not being transferred from elsewhere—it is simply being recalled, just as you would recall a past event from your own memory.

This completely dismantles the idea that another timeline must exist for Eren to know the future. His knowledge isn’t an anomaly that disrupts causality; it is a natural part of the single, deterministic flow of time in Attack on Titan. The future isn’t being changed, rewritten, or sent back—it’s simply unfolding as it always has, with Eren’s memories being an inevitable part of that process.

Grisha wasn’t seeing the future in the way most time-travel theories imagine. He was experiencing Eren’s memories of events that Eren had already lived through. That means Eren’s knowledge of the future wasn’t coming from some “other timeline” where it had already happened—it was always part of the single, deterministic timeline that the story follows.

Another point that completely disproves your theory is when Eren in the final episode says to Armin something along the lines of (forgive me for not recalling it precisely but its roughly what he says) "Past, present, and future all exist at the same time inside the paths. I don’t even know when I’m speaking from anymore." This directly reinforces the idea that time in Attack on Titan isn’t linear in the way we normally experience it. Instead, everything is already set and happening simultaneously from the perspective of Paths, which means Eren isn’t changing anything—he’s just experiencing time in a way that normal humans don’t. Eren doesn't fully control what he sees, He explicitly admits that he doesn’t know when he’s speaking from because the entire past, present and future is happening at once... Where are the multiple timelines coming from that you say exists? Eren even says himself that the past present and future are literally the same.. If he was actively manipulating timelines, he’d have precise knowledge of events. Instead, he’s caught in a deterministic loop where the past, present, and future are inseparable.

Once Eren gets the founding titan and can control it, with the power of the attack titan.. he sends the memories back to his father as they're happening in HIS present time... it's all happening at once in the same linear timeline. Don't you get it? Its so easy to understand that you don't need multiple timelines for this to work.. he's literally sending the memories back to his dad as they occur in REAL TIME... its all connected, he's literally living the memories himself that he sends back to his father who then young Eren see's when he see's his fathers memories... Its a mind fuck and a half but there you have it. So please, tell me again exactly how there are other timelines when its literally confirmed in the series by Eren himself that everything is happening at once for him, past, present and future.
Fenyy said:
Eren doesn’t ‘receive’ information from another timeline. The Attack Titan allows inheritors to access memories—not premonitions, not alternate realities, but direct memories from past and future inheritors within the same timeline.

First off "future memory" is an oxymoron, memories are always from the past, but assuming that "future memories" exist, then they must come from future point(s) in time back to the present point in time, so there are at least two active points in time simultaneously, which implies the existence of at least two timelines (in this case identical but time shifted), because each timeline can only have one active point in time, that's a key feature of all timelines.
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Before I started AOT I thought the colossal titan came from hell. Because of the lightning and smoke.
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Fenyy said:
Eren doesn’t ‘receive’ information from another timeline. The Attack Titan allows inheritors to access memories—not premonitions, not alternate realities, but direct memories from past and future inheritors within the same timeline.

First off "future memory" is an oxymoron, memories are always from the past, but assuming that "future memories" exist, then they must come from future point(s) in time back to the present point in time, so there are at least two active points in time simultaneously, which implies the existence of at least two timelines (in this case identical but time shifted), because each timeline can only have one active point in time, that's a key feature of all timelines.
@Zarutaku Again, you are clinging to the idea that time can only function in one particular way. This is completely false.

Attack on Titan consistently treats future events as MEMORIES, proving that memories are not limited to the past. This isn’t a case of time travel altering history—it’s a closed-loop system where everything was always predetermined.

Grisha’s words make this clear: "The Attack Titan allows its users to see MEMORIES of its FUTURE inheritors." No mention of multiple timelines there—just a single, continuous flow of events. Immediately after, he realizes, "That's right… our memories have been leading all of us to this point." This is crucial. Grisha understands that the memories he has seen—including future ones—were always meant to guide him toward a predetermined outcome.
His actions weren’t made of his own free will—he was always following a path dictated by memories that already existed. This directly challenges the traditional idea that memories can only come from the past. Eren’s memories of the future actively shaped past events, proving that memories are not bound by time in Paths.

The very title “Memories of the Future” contradicts the idea that memories must be from the past. If memories were strictly tied to past events, this phrase would be meaningless. But in Attack on Titan, it makes perfect sense—because time in Paths is nonlinear.

In that episode, we literally see Grisha experience a future event—Eren’s Rumbling—despite it not having happened yet in his own timeline. This is only possible because time is not a straight line in Paths.

Are you telling me that when Eren manipulated Grisha, it was a different timeline Eren influencing a separate timeline Grisha? Absolute nonsense. You saw it with your own eyes. OUR Eren sent memories to OUR Grisha as they were being played out. Grisha could literally see Eren through Eren’s own eyes in that moment. He knew Eren was there because Eren’s memories of looking at him and egging him on were happening at the same time.

As it was happening, Our Eren who we've been following all this time sent those memories to our Grisha who we again have been following all this time so he could communicate with him. That’s not multiple timelines—that’s a single, deterministic timeline where past, present, and future exist at the same time within Paths. As Eren himself says:

"Time… The past, present, and future all happen at once."

Again, this directly disproves your multiple timeline theory. You even admitted, "I never argued against determinism in general," yet your theory contradicts the very nature of Attack on Titan’s timeline.

You claim that the phrase "future memory" is an oxymoron. But Attack on Titan deliberately challenges this assumption at every turn.

If memories were strictly tied to the past, the phrase Memories of the Future would be meaningless. Yet, this is the title of an episode in the series, and not only does it make perfect sense where traditionally it shouldn't—it is one of the most important episodes in the entire story.

This proves, beyond a doubt, that in Paths, time does not function as we experience it. The past, present, and future are one, which is why memories don’t work in the traditional sense. It’s all a continuous stream of events—not a timeline split, not an alternate dimension, but the same singular reality folding in on itself.

We literally see Eren and Zeke walking through their father’s memories. They aren’t walking through a separate timeline—they are experiencing our Grisha’s memories in our timeline and transmitting memories back to him in real time. The word "memories" is used deliberately—what they are seeing already has happened, is happening, and will happen, all at the same time.

And what do we see? Our Eren changes our Grisha’s future in our timeline right before our very eyes—because he sends those memories through Paths.

In conclusion, your argument collapses under its own weight, yet again. Every piece of evidence in Attack on Titan reinforces the idea of a closed-loop deterministic timeline, not a multiverse.

There is no reference to multiple timelines at any point in the series. Everything points to a single, nonlinear, deterministic timeline where all moments exist at once. There is no need for multiple timelines—nothing in the story supports that idea.

If you still believe in multiple timelines, then you are fundamentally misunderstanding how time works in Attack on Titan. The story itself contradicts your claim at every level. You are not following the actual mechanics of the series—you are, instead, inserting an external sci-fi concept that Attack on Titan repeatedly rejects.

This is a story about fate—not infinite possibilities, nor is it about multiple same timelines being sent to our timeline. We literally see those claims being rejected right before our eyes in "memories of the future" episode.
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I think the timeline in Attack on Titan was a story-based representation of Nietzsche concept of eternal recurrence (whether or not this was what Isayama had in mind).

In the story, all things pretty much exist at once and are constantly influencing each-other in a never ending cycle.

I agree with @Fenyy

That being said, once I saw the Coordinate for the first time, I knew there had to be some sort of magic in this franchise but I was surprised how far they took it with the magical elements. The whole “paths” thing was wild.
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@Fenyy Because receiving information from the future implies that there must be another timeline where this future already happened.
@Zarutaku Ive never seen someone be so wrong about a show in all my life lmfao. You really don't have a clue do you? The fact that your still talking and trying to back up your ridiculous theory is halarious matey. I've never seen someone have everything they say get disproven so easily. Your theory literally makes no sense.

@n_2000 yeah the whole paths concept is pretty amazing honestly.

@fenyy i enjoyed reading your comments, bit long lol but good job explaining everything. I haven't seen anyone explain that in such detail before and it makes even more sense to me now with this explanation so thank you! Just ignore the guy your arguing with, he is clearly a moron or a troll with no brain cells.

@Rayane-47 lmaoooooo his father? thats wild. I like it.

@Avamarie316 Honestly, I was SOOOOOOOOOO sure that the colossal and armored could control the titans. I thought they were like the kings of them all.. this was wayyy before i realised that humans were inside them... even when i saw eren could turn into a titan, i didnt realize taht humans i.e ryner and berthold or any human could turn into them lol i just thought eren was special. Dumb of me i know but i kept clinging to the idea that these 2 titans were just mega titan bosses that were intelligent enough to break the walls.

@natedog22 ohhh lmao was that when zeke was throwing them over the wall? I forget but yeah that was funny if its what im thinking about.
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Ruigake said:
@Zarutaku Ive never seen someone be so wrong about a show in all my life lmfao. You really don't have a clue do you? The fact that your still talking and trying to back up your ridiculous theory is halarious matey. I've never seen someone have everything they say get disproven so easily. Your theory literally makes no sense.

@n_2000 yeah the whole paths concept is pretty amazing honestly.

@fenyy i enjoyed reading your comments, bit long lol but good job explaining everything. I haven't seen anyone explain that in such detail before and it makes even more sense to me now with this explanation so thank you! Just ignore the guy your arguing with, he is clearly a moron or a troll with no brain cells.

@Rayane-47 lmaoooooo his father? thats wild. I like it.

@Avamarie316 Honestly, I was SOOOOOOOOOO sure that the colossal and armored could control the titans. I thought they were like the kings of them all.. this was wayyy before i realised that humans were inside them... even when i saw eren could turn into a titan, i didnt realize taht humans i.e ryner and berthold or any human could turn into them lol i just thought eren was special. Dumb of me i know but i kept clinging to the idea that these 2 titans were just mega titan bosses that were intelligent enough to break the walls.

@natedog22 ohhh lmao was that when zeke was throwing them over the wall? I forget but yeah that was funny if its what im thinking about.

lol I like zarutaku early theory thoughts. I had a 2 hour with cousin about if erwin got the col titan instead of armin he would of killed eren. til I hung up and didn't talk to him for a week.
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@Zarutaku Ive never seen someone be so wrong about a show in all my life lmfao. You really don't have a clue do you? The fact that your still talking and trying to back up your ridiculous theory is halarious matey. I've never seen someone have everything they say get disproven so easily. Your theory literally makes no sense.

>joins a debate by saying "u r wrong, hahaha, u have no clue, ridiculous theory, disproven easily, makes no sense"
>has no actual counter arguments, yet tries to come across as smart
>thinks it's the other who's hilarious

oh, the irony
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I think the timeline in Attack on Titan was a story-based representation of Nietzsche concept of eternal recurrence (whether or not this was what Isayama had in mind).

Thanks for bringing this up, eternal recurrence is a most irrational theory, and there's no evidence that supports it. According to the most accurate theories of the universe time can only move forward, so it can never return to it's starting point, and even if that was somehow possible the assumption that everything would repeat itself in the exact same way is most irrational, but let's just assume it would actually happen, then there would have to be at least 2 simultaneously active points in time to receive memories from the future within that loop. That are too many absurd hypothetical cases beyond reason.
I don't dislike it though, it worked well as a plot device to justify Eren's actions.
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@Zarutaku Ive never seen someone be so wrong about a show in all my life lmfao. You really don't have a clue do you? The fact that your still talking and trying to back up your ridiculous theory is halarious matey. I've never seen someone have everything they say get disproven so easily. Your theory literally makes no sense.

>joins a debate by saying "u r wrong, hahaha, u have no clue, ridiculous theory, disproven easily, makes no sense"
>has no actual counter arguments, yet tries to come across as smart
>thinks it's the other who's hilarious

oh, the irony
@Zarutaku loooool when you get slammed that hard by the other guy, theres no need for me to add anything else to you. If i wanted to act smart, i would've done so and added to what he said or repeated it. I have nothing else to add, i'd just be repeating words to as you say "make myself look smart". Anyone with a brain can tell your theory is wack. Its literally proved in the series that there aren't multiple timelines. Theres only one thats happening concurrently. You wanna know why your theory makes absolutely no sense? Read the room, watch the show again and perk up your knowledge on time travel theories because you seem to only accept, understand and know one theory which doesn't apply nor work in aot which is why you are so confused in the first place. Isnt that where all this started? You being confused. It seems like you still are, I wonder why? Ignorance? Stubbornness? Or just plan stupidity and lack of knowledge perhaps.

Also i never "joined a debate", I guess i have now though, I simply wanted to support the facts that i saw, and reject the other idiotic theory i saw because it amused me to read everything you were saying, it still does. i'm not here to say why youre wrong, as like i said, theres no need. Read the room, its pretty obvious who's the odd one out in here and who's theories have been rejected by everyone who replied to you. Not just rejected, absolutely disproven on quite frankly an embarrassing level with out a shadow of doubt time and time again.

You wanna talk about adding facts and what not to prove your point? you've literally done none of that in this whole debate lol. I've read the whole thing, You just keep going back to some random idea that you cant have future memories that come from a singular timeline, multiple universes etc but with out any proof as to why its like this. You can only say to the effect of "its common knowledge in time travel shows and theories that this isnt possible" how isn't it possible? Give examples, prove that the show is wrong instead of saying that its wrong. You've literally done nothing to prove your point other than saying "its common knowledge" "it cant happen with out multiverses being present". You are stuck on this whole traditional multiple timelines theory because thats the only one you understand. The most common time travel theory used in shows. You have no clue that there are others, so they all have to be exactly like what you can comprehend. When you cant comprehend something like this nonlinear world aott is in, you revert back to what you can comprehend which is factually wrong in the world of aot. Its written in the show moron, if you cant understand it, maybe your the problem and not the show or its structure?

Seeing as there are literally no theoryies thats 100% correct about time and what happens when paradoxes occur and that, to say a theory in a show is wrong is simply idiotic..Unless it makes sense. Which is why you have to go with the one that makes the most sense, this nonlinear world makes more than enough sense. Infact, theres no other one that even comes close. Why? Becauase they literally prove it in the show right infront of you. Theres literally no holes in the idea when it comes to aot.. You've already been proven wrong that memories can be sent back with out the need for multiunis. Seeing as this was your only leg to stand on before this whole debate, it seems like you've been crippled with no leg to stand on.
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Ruigake said:
@Zarutaku Ive never seen someone be so wrong about a show in all my life lmfao. You really don't have a clue do you? The fact that your still talking and trying to back up your ridiculous theory is halarious matey. I've never seen someone have everything they say get disproven so easily. Your theory literally makes no sense.

@n_2000 yeah the whole paths concept is pretty amazing honestly.

@fenyy i enjoyed reading your comments, bit long lol but good job explaining everything. I haven't seen anyone explain that in such detail before and it makes even more sense to me now with this explanation so thank you! Just ignore the guy your arguing with, he is clearly a moron or a troll with no brain cells.

@Rayane-47 lmaoooooo his father? thats wild. I like it.

@Avamarie316 Honestly, I was SOOOOOOOOOO sure that the colossal and armored could control the titans. I thought they were like the kings of them all.. this was wayyy before i realised that humans were inside them... even when i saw eren could turn into a titan, i didnt realize taht humans i.e ryner and berthold or any human could turn into them lol i just thought eren was special. Dumb of me i know but i kept clinging to the idea that these 2 titans were just mega titan bosses that were intelligent enough to break the walls.

@natedog22 ohhh lmao was that when zeke was throwing them over the wall? I forget but yeah that was funny if its what im thinking about.

It was the ep when the titans first showed up inside wall rose, and that guy with the really strong nose(I wanna say his name was Mikei or something) got eaten by titans controlled by Zeke. I’d assumed that since we saw the beast titan climbing over the wall in that ep, that he must’ve carried titans over on his back or something. Needless to say, I was very wrong lmao
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Eren knowing about the future but not being able to change it doesn't really make sense, because simply having information of the future would affect the present, and that would change the future, which would again affect the present, and so on.
@Zarutaku if i remember right eren said in the end that he just follows faithfully the future visions he saw on the paths dimension so ye he is an idiot for just following it and without even thinking of alternatives but he did say too that he cannot think of other better alternatives if i remember right so he might be delusional because of what the paths and founder ymir is implanting on his future visions

"only ymir knows" as the saying goes basically eren is just a puppet of ymir
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@Zarutaku if i remember right eren said in the end that he just follows faithfully the future visions he saw on the paths dimension so ye he is an idiot for just following it and without even thinking of alternatives but he did say too that he cannot think of other better alternatives if i remember right so he might be delusional because of what the paths and founder ymir is implanting on his future visions

"only ymir knows" as the saying goes basically eren is just a puppet of ymir
@deg Yea, but then the name Ymir is more or less interchangeable with determinism, or Ymir herself was a puppet of determinism as well, in both cases Eren was a puppet of determinism, so far so reasonable. The problem arises from the future information, because a deterministic universe that receives information from its own future would require additional and absurdly irrational concepts in order to remain deterministic.
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I thought Grisha was still alive and that he was the Beast Titan lmao
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@Zarutaku Ive never seen someone be so wrong about a show in all my life lmfao. You really don't have a clue do you? The fact that your still talking and trying to back up your ridiculous theory is halarious matey. I've never seen someone have everything they say get disproven so easily. Your theory literally makes no sense.

@n_2000 yeah the whole paths concept is pretty amazing honestly.

@fenyy i enjoyed reading your comments, bit long lol but good job explaining everything. I haven't seen anyone explain that in such detail before and it makes even more sense to me now with this explanation so thank you! Just ignore the guy your arguing with, he is clearly a moron or a troll with no brain cells.

@Rayane-47 lmaoooooo his father? thats wild. I like it.

@Avamarie316 Honestly, I was SOOOOOOOOOO sure that the colossal and armored could control the titans. I thought they were like the kings of them all.. this was wayyy before i realised that humans were inside them... even when i saw eren could turn into a titan, i didnt realize taht humans i.e ryner and berthold or any human could turn into them lol i just thought eren was special. Dumb of me i know but i kept clinging to the idea that these 2 titans were just mega titan bosses that were intelligent enough to break the walls.

@natedog22 ohhh lmao was that when zeke was throwing them over the wall? I forget but yeah that was funny if its what im thinking about.

Yeeeeeaaaa...The Blonde Hair And Smart Look Fooled Me 😅 Fooled A Couple Of My Friends Too
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Zarutaku said:
Eren knowing about the future but not being able to change it doesn't really make sense, because simply having information of the future would affect the present, and that would change the future, which would again affect the present, and so on.

actually eren didn't knew everything of future.. he saw glimpses of future.. like brief overview.. he didn't knew every certain things which will happen in future
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Zarutaku said:
Eren knowing about the future but not being able to change it doesn't really make sense, because simply having information of the future would affect the present, and that would change the future, which would again affect the present, and so on.

actually eren didn't knew everything of future.. he saw glimpses of future.. like brief overview.. he didn't knew every certain things which will happen in future
@apexvoid That may be the case, I didn't say he knew everything.
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I can't lie I gave up on even trying to predict anything accurately after the second season. I just strapped in for the ride🤣🤣
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