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Jan 10, 2:25 PM
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because anime as a business wants profit maximization too with how much more customers the global market can provide

so maybe start pirating more to boycott international streaming and merchandises of anime if you really want to make anime stay focus on the japanese market but i do think in the end this is a futile effort simply because there are more paying customers than pirates

so thoughts?
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It is an exercise in futility. People who have a problem with it never do anything other than cry about it.
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Jan 10, 2:58 PM
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deg said:
because anime as a business wants profit maximization too with how much more customers the global market can provide

Agreed.

deg said:
so maybe start pirating more

Disagreed. If we're going to play the "give money/deny money" game, then we should give money to the specific anime that "stay focused on the Japanese market" and deny money from "globalized" anime. Instead of denying money to every single anime.

I understand this is difficult in the age of streaming, but these streaming platforms do collect watch data. So in a less direct way, they will notice if people choose certain shows and avoid others, which can have an effect on what kind of anime they pick up in the future.
Jan 10, 3:02 PM
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deg said:
because anime as a business wants profit maximization too with how much more customers the global market can provide

Agreed.

deg said:
so maybe start pirating more

Disagreed. If we're going to play the "give money/deny money" game, then we should give money to the specific anime that "stay focused on the Japanese market" and deny money from "globalized" anime. Instead of denying money to every single anime.

I understand this is difficult in the age of streaming, but these streaming platforms do collect watch data. So in a less direct way, they will notice if people choose certain shows and avoid others, which can have an effect on what kind of anime they pick up in the future.
@perseii that can work too but i think that is just partial solution since my full boycotting of international profit sources for anime means the anime industry will be force to refocus on the japanese market again but still i do think in the end this pirating solution will never work especially the anti piracy measures will become more develop as time goes on
Jan 10, 3:09 PM
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DEI initiatives are dying off pretty rapidly in the West. People proved they want Japanese media to be Japanese. Like, when Tifa got censored in FF7 the Japanese fanbase agreed with the Western anti-censorship crowd. Europe's been mocking American media for years now.

In addition, Stellar Blade was a thing last year. EVE is not just sexy, but outrageously sexy. Supermodel-level sexy (and yes, she was actually modelled by a Korean supermodel). The success of Stellar Blade and the fallout it caused on social media proved that the whole third-wave feminist rhetoric is completely unsustainable.

Not long after the Stellar Blade ordeal Assassins' Creed Shadows caused national outrage in Japan thanks to its' forced DEI nonsense (as well as the tasteless bombed Torii figure), so much so the Japanese politicians got involved. That's a rare feat for a Western video game. This proves that Japan is well aware that not only does DEI stifle creativity, it also stifles multiculturalism.
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Jan 10, 3:19 PM
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Foreign anime market overtakes Japanese market for 2nd time since 2002. The Association of Japanese Animations (AJA) released its Anime Industry Report 2024 findings (for the year 2023) on December 22. The report found that the wider anime industry (including merchandise, music, and other areas) grew by 14.3% in 2023 compared to 2022, for a total market value of 3.3465 trillion yen (about US$21.27 billion). https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2025-01-08/aja-anime-industry-grew-by-14.3-percent-to-new-record-high-in-2023/.219656

CODA: Anime, Manga Piracy Cost Industry Around 2 Trillion Yen in 2021 https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2023-04-26/coda-anime-manga-piracy-cost-industry-around-2-trillion-yen-in-2021/.197490

even with too much piracy as you can see the anime industry profit continues to break records because of the global market
Jan 10, 3:22 PM
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It's not an issue because anime will be produced for both the Japanese and the global market.
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Jan 10, 3:24 PM
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DEI initiatives are dying off pretty rapidly in the West. People proved they want Japanese media to be Japanese. Like, when Tifa got censored in FF7 the Japanese fanbase agreed with the Western anti-censorship crowd. Europe's been mocking American media for years now.

In addition, Stellar Blade was a thing last year. EVE is not just sexy, but outrageously sexy. Supermodel-level sexy (and yes, she was actually modelled by a Korean supermodel). The success of Stellar Blade and the fallout it caused on social media proved that the whole third-wave feminist rhetoric is completely unsustainable.

Not long after the Stellar Blade ordeal Assassins' Creed Shadows caused national outrage in Japan thanks to its' forced DEI nonsense (as well as the tasteless bombed Torii figure), so much so the Japanese politicians got involved. That's a rare feat for a Western video game. This proves that Japan is well aware that not only does DEI stifle creativity, it also stifles multiculturalism.
@TheMechaManiac dei is just culture wars and its gonna get more heated because of more globalization because the global market has many different customer groups like different cultures and laws so i do not think this is the end for dei since the real goal of dei is all about trying to maximize profit too
Jan 10, 3:27 PM
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It's not an issue because anime will be produced for both the Japanese and the global market.
@Zarutaku you mean their will be anime produce for japan market only and other anime produce for the global market instead? or you mean future anime will be produce for both japanese market and global market? because different cultures like lolicon culture is exclusive to japanese market
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@Zarutaku you mean their will be anime produce for japan market only and other anime produce for the global market instead? or you mean future anime will be produce for both japanese market and global market? because different cultures like lolicon culture is exclusive to japanese market
@deg Presumably most either focus on the Japanese market only, or on the Japanese and the global market combined.
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A most likely white guy complaining about "globalization" in Japanese animation has to be the dumbest shit I have ever seen. Yeah no shit its globalized, its an internationally traded product. By asking for it not to be "globalized" you are asking for it to be solely sold to Japanese audiences so you wouldn't be able to see it lmao.
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A most likely white guy complaining about "globalization" in Japanese animation has to be the dumbest shit I have ever seen. Yeah no shit its globalized, its an internationally traded product. By asking for it not to be "globalized" you are asking for it to be solely sold to Japanese audiences so you wouldn't be able to see it lmao.
@LSSJ_Gaming well im hearing and reading about this old fans wanting to bring back the golden days of fansubbing from the 1990s and early 2000s when fansubbers have the work position of raw cappers that directly record raw videos from japanese tv
Jan 10, 5:54 PM

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Reported. Very irresponsible of you, deg. There's no telling how many totally normal, well adjusted individuals are going to fall into a depression spiral or have panic attacks after realizing that nothing can realistically stop anime from going global and increasingly focus on non-Japanese audiences.
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But anime pirates told me Japanese anime producers only care about sales in Japan and watching anime legally makes no difference since streaming services only pay "pennies" to the creators...

Now I'm super confused when I hear that the overseas market has surpassed the domestic market.
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deg said:
so maybe start pirating more to boycott international streaming and merchandises of anime

They will stop translating anime if this happens, and you'll be left with nothing to watch.
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@LSSJ_Gaming well im hearing and reading about this old fans wanting to bring back the golden days of fansubbing from the 1990s and early 2000s when fansubbers have the work position of raw cappers that directly record raw videos from japanese tv
@deg
The days back when lots of anime were never translated and the books they were based on weren't translated either.
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so maybe start pirating more to boycott international streaming and merchandises of anime

They will stop translating anime if this happens, and you'll be left with nothing to watch.
@Lucifrost well like i said im reading comments that the anime gatekeepers wants to bring back fansubbing
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The days back when lots of anime were never translated and the books they were based on weren't translated either.
@Lucifrost hey im just saying what im reading from this anime gatekeepers man
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anime will get more global for a while, cuz japan needs foreign investors money

enshittification of anime will not stop, we can already see in how most anime are very tame and don't dare to sexualize women

normies will always consoom, so any forms of boycotts don't work
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But anime pirates told me Japanese anime producers only care about sales in Japan and watching anime legally makes no difference since streaming services only pay "pennies" to the creators...

Now I'm super confused when I hear that the overseas market has surpassed the domestic market.
@MadanielFL It has not. As soon as anime started caring more about appealing to Westerners in 2016, the market has been collapsing ever since. Now, thanks to trying to appeal to Westerners, Japan's entire economy is in collapse.
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A most likely white guy complaining about "globalization" in Japanese animation has to be the dumbest shit I have ever seen. Yeah no shit its globalized, its an internationally traded product. By asking for it not to be "globalized" you are asking for it to be solely sold to Japanese audiences so you wouldn't be able to see it lmao.
@LSSJ_Gaming I love how nice Deg is because he doesnt even respond to your racebaiting
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deg said:
because anime as a business wants profit maximization too with how much more customers the global market can provide

so maybe start pirating more to boycott international streaming and merchandises of anime if you really want to make anime stay focus on the japanese market but i do think in the end this is a futile effort simply because there are more paying customers than pirates

so thoughts?

Yes, it's a buisness, and you want to maximize profits, and to do so you need to know what your audience wants

If your international audience wants your product because it's different from that of their home country, then trying to make it "fit their county's standerds" is not going to maximize profits, on the contrary...
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@LSSJ_Gaming I love how nice Deg is because he doesnt even respond to your racebaiting
@Commit_Crime

i mean i can almost guarantee yall aren't Japanese
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The evil of a corporate goverment tied investment agency pushing propaganda is a long term threat because most people would easily sacrifice their business for some private large amount of money. In that regard all that can be done is for people to avoid buying such products though tax funded scams never end.
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deg said:
so maybe start pirating more to boycott international streaming and merchandises of anime if you really want to make anime stay focus on the japanese market but i do think in the end this is a futile effort simply because there are more paying customers than pirates


I don't know that there's more paying customers than pirates, but there certainly are more non-Japanese people than Japanese people. And since the Japanese market is built on an aging/shrinking population, overseas markets are only going to become more and more important. We've already seen them overtake the Japanese market in revenues.

Also, since pirate sites get their translations from legal ones, you can't really "boycott" international streaming unless you only watch older anime from the pre-streaming era, or content that didn't get same-day legal simulcasts.

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Jan 11, 9:01 AM

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Seems like poor justification to pirate anime. Where do you think a lot of your precious subs come from? These pirate threads are getting quite old.
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Good luck convincing people not to buy the merchandise if they like a particular anime but have the misfortune of living outside Japan. Although the pirating is an easier sell only because it's more convenient than the actual legal streaming sites lol
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Seems like poor justification to pirate anime. Where do you think a lot of your precious subs come from? These pirate threads are getting quite old.
@MogKnight not at all like i said in the end pirating or boycotting is useless in the end im staying true to the title of the thread
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deg said:
so maybe start pirating more to boycott international streaming and merchandises of anime if you really want to make anime stay focus on the japanese market but i do think in the end this is a futile effort simply because there are more paying customers than pirates


I don't know that there's more paying customers than pirates, but there certainly are more non-Japanese people than Japanese people. And since the Japanese market is built on an aging/shrinking population, overseas markets are only going to become more and more important. We've already seen them overtake the Japanese market in revenues.

Also, since pirate sites get their translations from legal ones, you can't really "boycott" international streaming unless you only watch older anime from the pre-streaming era, or content that didn't get same-day legal simulcasts.
@Zalis ye i agree and i already answered those questions and even link the animenewsnetwork report you posted
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I mean i can almost guarantee yall aren't Japanese
He isn't white either, he is literally Asian....
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Anime's targeting of broader markets does not by default mean that anime will be heavily censored for the sake of those markets. Japanese games have already gone through this and it was a bitter experience.
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And Near Term Human Extinction is 100% guranateed to end capitalism.
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because anime as a business wants profit maximization too with how much more customers the global market can provide

Of course the more isekais the push out the more 7 ratings we give them :) keep profiting off people, we love these big companies, right???
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Pulling a bait and switch isn't good business policy even if someone were to make pro capitalist cultural imperialist arguments trying to justify this. If you change what makes something desirable in the first place it is no longer desirable and is nothing but a mere brand name as the only thing keeping it going is what this sort of thing does with businesses. This is not something that should be declaired acceptable practice in any business. It isn't good to not put any money in since the people who would change it would be the ones putting money in then, you just have to be selective in how you spend money to send a message of what you want so business practices can have a better chance of being put back on track.
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