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Dec 12, 2024 9:04 AM
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Over the years there has been more and more pirating anime sites crackdown, do you expect it to progress even more or for it to keep going as it is right now
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Dec 12, 2024 9:05 AM
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Piracy is here to stay imo. It won't disappear.
Dec 12, 2024 9:28 AM
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They can shutdown all "streaming" pirate sites, but peer 2 peer torrents aren't going anywhere no matter what they try to do.
Dec 12, 2024 9:33 AM
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war on piracy is the same as the war on drugs; once you take one down, three more will appear


Dec 12, 2024 9:43 AM
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Don't think so, for each site shut down another will pop up.
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Dec 12, 2024 9:48 AM
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It'll stay. For every 1 site shut down, you have about 10 replacements popping up.

Honestly, the only piracy site i remember regularly using that got shut down was KissAnime, the rest of my favorites are still up and i genuienly don't see them going anywhere
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Dec 12, 2024 10:24 AM
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Cat site will never go down, as it doesn't provide "watching" per se.
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Dec 12, 2024 12:08 PM
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They will never die out...why not? Because they are all government honeypots/traps, that is why....
Dec 12, 2024 12:15 PM
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I don't like to pirate on websites, but other people like using it and I doubt it ever be stopped.
Dec 12, 2024 12:22 PM

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It'll stay. For every 1 site shut down, you have about 10 replacements popping up.

Honestly, the only piracy site i remember regularly using that got shut down was KissAnime, the rest of my favorites are still up and i genuienly don't see them going anywhere
@TheBlockernator 100% this. There'll always be a new site or 20 to take the place of one that gets shut down. And as someone else said, the cat site is going nowhere
Dec 12, 2024 12:23 PM

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there is always torrents and irc/xdcc downloading

also https://www.reddit.com/r/animepiracy/comments/1hca0a3/future_of_anime_piracy/
Dec 12, 2024 12:26 PM

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I think shutting down MegaUpload was about the biggest blow ever and that one was quickly recovered from. These days shut downs of sites are in the news that I never even heard of before.
Dec 12, 2024 12:35 PM

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Someone NOT making a thread like this, followed by someone NOT posting some kind of shady link for the umpeetenth time? Challenge: Impossible

All this doomposting is annoying.

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Dec 12, 2024 1:12 PM

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There is ways around it like anti-scrapers, anti-bot measures that arent recaptcha, editing content to be harder to pick up by automated systems, sites that require a vetted registration and login, decentralized hosting of sites, pirate boxes, meshnets, bootleg dvd and bluray etc
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Dec 12, 2024 1:26 PM

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Very recently Japan announced they were gonna make use of AI to detect & shut down anime piracy sites. Funniest part is they'll only invest $2m into the project, which is little to nothing given how complex the piracy world is. I think piracy will forever prevail, not just within anime
Dec 12, 2024 1:33 PM

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Torrents are my sole means for watching anime, so that ain't gonna happen.

Dec 12, 2024 1:41 PM

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Someone NOT making a thread like this, followed by someone NOT posting some kind of shady link for the umpeetenth time? Challenge: Impossible

All this doomposting is annoying.
Your 125% text size is more annoying.
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Dec 12, 2024 1:46 PM

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Pirates are the hardest workers, no chance of it disappearing
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Dec 12, 2024 1:53 PM

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I would have to say no! I think piracy will exist regardless if it's on the open web or dark web.
Dec 12, 2024 2:25 PM
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Piracy will remain. Earth would destroy itself before someone puts an end to piracy. Unironically piracy does more good than harm.
Dec 12, 2024 7:11 PM

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No. It would only die out if companies stopped hiring localizers that hate Japan. Reminder that if you pirate your animu to purchase merchandise of the shows to support the animation studios.
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Dec 12, 2024 7:20 PM

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Very recently Japan announced they were gonna make use of AI to detect & shut down anime piracy sites. Funniest part is they'll only invest $2m into the project, which is little to nothing given how complex the piracy world is. I think piracy will forever prevail, not just within anime
@Euroqean
If they really want to make more money they just should revoke the pro censorship laws they have and stop overproducing anime.
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Dec 12, 2024 7:21 PM

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I should really start paying for anime one of these days...
Dec 12, 2024 7:26 PM
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I don't think the sites will ever be truly gone. When some are shut down, others pop up, often times by the same owners.

Also, I can't be the only one that watches anime via legit subscriptions? Not saying sailing isn't ever needed but I use Crunchyroll, Hidive, Netflix and Hulu... and if it's not on one of those, I have no choice but to look elsewhere.
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Dec 12, 2024 7:37 PM

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So The governments and business corporations, elite tech companies think the world is about to turn into a dystopian nightmare over pirated anime and TV shows and not because of their constant lies, creating biological weapons and nukes, financial corruption, abuse of human rights and greenwashing and oil pumping?
Carry on
Dec 13, 2024 12:45 AM

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Anime piracy is the reason anime is still alive.
Dec 13, 2024 1:22 AM

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Piracy is here to stay, even if they miraculously manage to take down every last streaming site, torrenting will still be alive. There's no way I'm paying even a single penny to the western woke companies, besides they hardly have a few title available in my country.
Dec 13, 2024 1:23 AM
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No. It would only die out if companies stopped hiring localizers that hate Japan. Reminder that if you pirate your animu to purchase merchandise of the shows to support the animation studios.
@GrabFluffyTails you support the production committee not the animation studios especially since 90% of anime the anime studio is not part of the production committee.
Dec 13, 2024 2:47 AM

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The only way to get rid of piracy is to ban the internet.
Dec 13, 2024 3:08 AM

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like blackbeard said, a man's piracy will never die.
Dec 13, 2024 6:02 AM
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It can die one day. Better save 100TB of anime to your hard drives now. Don't cry when it's too late.
Dec 13, 2024 7:14 AM

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Anime piracy is the reason anime is still alive.
@LenRea

It's also the reason it came alive in the first place. Piracy and hot anime school girls.
Dec 13, 2024 7:33 AM

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Official subs actually ruined fansubs and hardly any of them exist now. I'm saying this is because fansubs kept the fanbase alive. They are more hardworking than the official ones - TL notes, OP/ED song translations which official ones do not have most of the times due to stupid copyright. Then you get official subs either not too accurate or have a dub-lation if it's a hybrid American-Japanese co-production, where timing of subs on Netflix is very off compare to the original Japanese dialogues and they didn't bother their butts to put a different sub for Japanese audio watchers (Terminator Zero for example).

So torrent will stay, as that's where I tend to visit the old shows and dig out fansubs. Anything the officials touch these days tend to rot...

Dec 13, 2024 8:07 AM

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All it would take to end all of these piracy sites, is this:
put up EVERYTHING and run ads.

But because of their own incompetence, greed, etc, that won't happen, and it will always continue.
It's literally as Gabe says, "piracy is a service issue, not a pricing one"

You can buy a membership to all of the streaming services you want, but you'll still be missing shows.
You'll be dealing with the worlds slowest interface, lag, horrible players, bad subs, buffering, and more.

Meanwhile, on pirate site, everything works flawlessly, it never buffers, you can watch hard to find stuff, and you can actually navigate the site at a reasonable speed.

If it was not for piracy, anime would not be even remotely as big as it is (outside of Japan anyways, I have no idea how their internal piracy stats are) — which actually brings up a more interesting point.

If anime piracy was ever culled, the anime industry would stand to lose A LOT of money. Merch sales, figures, box sets, games, hell— even tourism.
An absolutely non-trivial amount of money has been spent on Japan as a whole because of people's exposure to anime by watching it easily and illegally.
Dec 13, 2024 8:12 AM

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All it would take to end all of these piracy sites, is this:
put up EVERYTHING and run ads.

But because of their own incompetence, greed, etc, that won't happen, and it will always continue.
It's literally as Gabe says, "piracy is a service issue, not a pricing one"

You can buy a membership to all of the streaming services you want, but you'll still be missing shows.
You'll be dealing with the worlds slowest interface, lag, horrible players, bad subs, buffering, and more.

Meanwhile, on pirate site, everything works flawlessly, it never buffers, you can watch hard to find stuff, and you can actually navigate the site at a reasonable speed.

If it was not for piracy, anime would not be even remotely as big as it is (outside of Japan anyways, I have no idea how their internal piracy stats are) — which actually brings up a more interesting point.

If anime piracy was ever culled, the anime industry would stand to lose A LOT of money. Merch sales, figures, box sets, games, hell— even tourism.
An absolutely non-trivial amount of money has been spent on Japan as a whole because of people's exposure to anime by watching it easily and illegally.
@DrAkiMakura you forgot to mention manga, a lot of people buy manga because they were interested in anime and they got to it through piracy
Dec 13, 2024 8:13 AM

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All it would take to end all of these piracy sites, is this:
put up EVERYTHING and run ads.

But because of their own incompetence, greed, etc, that won't happen, and it will always continue.
It's literally as Gabe says, "piracy is a service issue, not a pricing one"

You can buy a membership to all of the streaming services you want, but you'll still be missing shows.
You'll be dealing with the worlds slowest interface, lag, horrible players, bad subs, buffering, and more.

Meanwhile, on pirate site, everything works flawlessly, it never buffers, you can watch hard to find stuff, and you can actually navigate the site at a reasonable speed.

If it was not for piracy, anime would not be even remotely as big as it is (outside of Japan anyways, I have no idea how their internal piracy stats are) — which actually brings up a more interesting point.

If anime piracy was ever culled, the anime industry would stand to lose A LOT of money. Merch sales, figures, box sets, games, hell— even tourism.
An absolutely non-trivial amount of money has been spent on Japan as a whole because of people's exposure to anime by watching it easily and illegally.
@DrAkiMakura Your comment really needs to be printed and hang on every business office walls. These people just don't see the other side of an illegal activity, nor explore what leads into them and already assumed it to be a criminal activity.

Dec 13, 2024 8:25 AM

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GrabFluffyTails said:
Reminder that if you pirate your animu to purchase merchandise of the shows to support the animation studios.
Thats not how it works, even if you buy merch straight from Japan, your money might still not be going to the animation studio who made the show.

DrAkiMakura said:
You'll be dealing with the worlds slowest interface, lag, horrible players, bad subs, buffering, and more.

Meanwhile, on pirate site, everything works flawlessly, it never buffers, you can watch hard to find stuff, and you can actually navigate the site at a reasonable speed.
Saying pirates sites are all perfect without any problems is just so stupid.
I remember there was a time in 2023 that Aniwave was going down at least once every week, and when the site wasn't down, some of the players were not working.
Also there sure is buffering on pirate sites, not to mention that the video quality isn't always 1080p for every show.
There's also the subs, where most pirate sites use the inferior hardsubs, or those that use softsubs don't actually know how to use it, and therefore people hate it as well.

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Of course, ignoring that these piracy websites could just be honeypots.
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I don't think it'll die out entirely, although we shouldn't assume that torrenting is somehow set apart or immune from legal efforts. If bootleg streaming sites can be seized/shut down, so can torrent sites. Many trackers have gone down over the years, and some have had to either go private or hop through multiple domain/name changes. How many more safe havens can the feline site find before it runs out of room? If you want to have pirated material available long-term, I'd recommend investing in HDD space and acquiring personal copies. Given that a lot of illegal streaming sites just restream/scrape from a couple of major sites, the scene is more like a house of cards than the overhyped hydra that some have referenced here.
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Official subs actually ruined fansubs and hardly any of them exist now. I'm saying this is because fansubs kept the fanbase alive.
"Kept the fanbase alive" through what? The 2007 market crash where fansub-driven piracy caused numerous companies to scale back or shut down entirely? (And before anyone says "that's just the USA," there was a drop in anime production in Japan as well.) Besides, it wasn't official subs that "ruined fansubs," it was the rips of official streaming subs that came out faster and were considered adequate enough that viewers didn't care to wait for actual fansubs. And the original source of those ripped subs, HorribleSubs? A brainchild of well-known fansubbing group gg -- the calls were coming from inside the house the whole time!
DrAkiMakura said:
All it would take to end all of these piracy sites, is this:
put up EVERYTHING and run ads.

But because of their own incompetence, greed, etc, that won't happen, and it will always continue.
It's literally as Gabe says, "piracy is a service issue, not a pricing one"
Funny how every "anime piracy is a service problem" statement gets coupled with "give us every anime ever for an extremely low price, or we'll pirate." And what happens when viewers decide to block those ads, or keep going to pirate sites without ads?
DrAkiMakura said:
You can buy a membership to all of the streaming services you want, but you'll still be missing shows.
You'll be dealing with the worlds slowest interface, lag, horrible players, bad subs, buffering, and more.

Meanwhile, on pirate site, everything works flawlessly, it never buffers, you can watch hard to find stuff, and you can actually navigate the site at a reasonable speed.

Most of the views on pirate sites go to the popular/recent anime that are legally available (depending on location of course), not the old/obscure stuff. And what "bad subs" are you talking about? All the pirated subs of contemporary/airing anime are straight 1:1 rips of the subs from the hated legal sites.

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And you think the dark webs is actually "safe" from the Feds/governments? No, it is not. For obvious reasons.
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And you think the dark webs is actually "safe" from the Feds/governments? No, it is not. For obvious reasons.
@DesuMaiden I didn't mention dark web, sites I am talking about can be found on open web no problem
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@DesuMaiden I didn't mention dark web, sites I am talking about can be found on open web no problem
@Cammell well, you were implying in your opening post that anime piracy has to migrate from the open web to the dark webs eventually. Correct?
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@Cammell well, you were implying in your opening post that anime piracy has to migrate from the open web to the dark webs eventually. Correct?
@DesuMaiden no, I was talking just about anime piracy sites disappearing from open web

didn't mention migration
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MadanielFL said:
Thats not how it works, even if you buy merch straight from Japan, your money might still not be going to the animation studio who made the show.


It shouldn't go to the studio, either. The way it works is that animation studios are hired by a production committee. They get a bag of money to make the anime and whether it flops or succeeds is none of their business.

The risk is carried by the production committee and the reward is collected by them, too. When you buy merch or blu-rays the money goes to members of the production committee which is great, since they are the ones deciding whether or not to take out a second money bag to have a second season made.


Some anime studios are part of the production committee. Some even work in their own little world doing things completely different, like Ghibli.
Either way, buying merch and blu-rays from Japan is the best way to not only support the anime industry, but also vote with your wallet. If you only have a streaming subscription you give the streaming company your money and they are the ones using it to vote on what they want from the anime industry.
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TransferUser said:
Either way, buying merch and blu-rays from Japan is the best way to not only support the anime industry, but also vote with your wallet. If you only have a streaming subscription you give the streaming company your money and they are the ones using it to vote on what they want from the anime industry.
But here is the thing, sometimes these streaming services are in the production committee themselves.
So some anime pirates want to avoid giving money to woke companies like Crunchyroll, but then they go on to buy merch from a show Crunchyroll helped produce, and in the end they literally gave CR some money.
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TransferUser said:
Either way, buying merch and blu-rays from Japan is the best way to not only support the anime industry, but also vote with your wallet. If you only have a streaming subscription you give the streaming company your money and they are the ones using it to vote on what they want from the anime industry.
But here is the thing, sometimes these streaming services are in the production committee themselves.
So some anime pirates want to avoid giving money to woke companies like Crunchyroll, but then they go on to buy merch from a show Crunchyroll helped produce, and in the end they literally gave CR some money.
@MadanielFL

Production committees are made up of a bunch of companies and when you buy merch the money goes to the merch company, not the streaming company. The purpose of a production committee is for various companies to pool money together and share the cost/risk. It's not like the merch company sees money from streaming subscriptions and it's not like the streaming company is going to see money from merch sales.
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TransferUser said:
The purpose of a production committee is for various companies to pool money together and share the cost/risk. It's not like the merch company sees money from streaming subscriptions and it's not like the streaming company is going to see money from merch sales.
But that's the thing, streaming companies WILL see the money from merch sales if they are in the production comittee, which is something that many streaming services do.
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No because for some shows, there is no legal way to watch the show other than the occasionally rare physical dvd or through illegal piracy sites. For example, there is no legal way to watch the original 2003 Full Metal Alchemist besides pirate sites.
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TransferUser said:
The purpose of a production committee is for various companies to pool money together and share the cost/risk. It's not like the merch company sees money from streaming subscriptions and it's not like the streaming company is going to see money from merch sales.
But that's the thing, streaming companies WILL see the money from merch sales if they are in the production comittee, which is something that many streaming services do.
@MadanielFL

That's not how production committees work. Production committees share costs, they don't share revenue.
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Torrents are here to stay mate,they can shut down as much as they want,as long at there is P2P and a non-global government (and even then it will still exist) there won't be any problems.

As for sites they only shut down the biggest ones,there are a lot of niche ones that have been going for years that aren't on the radar )
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