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Sep 24, 9:24 AM
#1
Amateur writer and artist here. I've been feeling insecure about the way I depict gay couples lately (Both OCs and video game characters I ship). I won't get into detail (Especially since there's a lot of context and it's hard to ask for advice from someone who doesn't know the characters in question), but I'm looking for media containing examples of well-done gay representation to point me in the right direction. Preferably stuff that's not labeled as Yaoi, since it has a lot of tropes that people hate, so I'm trying to avoid them. -I'm more likely to take your recommendation if you include a brief description of the media and/or the representation it contains. Just putting the title alone tells me nothing about why I should check something out. -Canon stuff only. Don't recommend something just because you happen to ship characters from it. (Unless you can point me to a really good fanfiction involving said ship) Also, nothing with queerbaiting. It has to involve two dudes actually getting together, or already being together. -At the moment, I'm only looking for gay male stuff. Lesbian stories are nice and all, but they aren't really relevant to the issue I'm having right now. |
SombreStarlingSep 24, 9:48 AM
Sep 24, 9:40 AM
#2
@Nurguburu @Memore |
No, this isn't my signature. |
Sep 24, 9:44 AM
#3
https://myanimelist.net/anime/39533/Given The synopsis is written in the link stop being lazy and go read it also lesbian relationships are also considered gay what you are talking about is male gay relationships and making your list private while asking for recs is not a good idea |
JoeChipSep 24, 10:53 AM
Sep 24, 10:19 AM
#4
Reply to Zarutaku
MemoreSep 24, 11:00 AM
Sep 24, 10:44 AM
#5
Gay dude here. OP, writing gay characters is generally not very hard. Just keep in mind we generally have good health and normal physique, so avoid fat or excessively muscular characters -especially the bara ones- since most of us don't look like that. In relationships, it depends of what you want to show, if you want to show sex scenes, keep in mind, the seme (top) and uke (bottom) relationship in yaoi isn't too far away from most common gay couples. Some versatile (gay man who takes either position, who enjoys both) if you want a twist but generally most gays are bottom or top most of their lives. Another twist you can add is making the bottom being dominant personality and loud and the top with being summisive and shy. For non-sex scenes, we're generally not different from straight couples. Please don't insert politics with our sexuality like gay parades since a lot like me are not into such stuff, talking trash or praising politicians or political parties or straightphobic rethoric. For examples, Given is the best if you want to write a romantic one. BJ Alex if you want a romantic and sexual one. |
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Sep 24, 10:52 AM
#6
Reply to Memore
@Zarutaku, thanks.
https://myanimelist.net/manga/136294/Pearl_Boy
https://myanimelist.net/manga/134517/Under_the_Greenlight
https://myanimelist.net/manga/103942/Ao_no_Flag
https://myanimelist.net/manga/122906/Kieta_Hatsukoi
https://myanimelist.net/manga/149192/Love_Me_Not
https://myanimelist.net/manga/774/Na_mo_Naki_Tori_no_Tobu_Yoake
https://myanimelist.net/manga/1571/Sakura-gari
https://myanimelist.net/manga/2779/Kyoudai_Gentei__Brother_x_Brother
https://myanimelist.net/manga/4011/New_York_New_York
https://myanimelist.net/manga/5327/Lucky-kun
https://myanimelist.net/manga/15818/Yuuutsu_na_Asa
https://myanimelist.net/manga/19594/Hana_wa_Saku_ka
https://myanimelist.net/manga/20380/Kinryouku_no_Mori
https://myanimelist.net/manga/23268/Sky_Link
https://myanimelist.net/manga/25352/Hatsukoi_no_Atosaki
https://myanimelist.net/manga/36603/Deadlock
https://myanimelist.net/manga/52109/Hako_no_Naka
https://myanimelist.net/manga/61119/Utsukushii_Koto
https://myanimelist.net/manga/88314/Sabita_Yoru_demo_Koi_wa_Sasayaku
https://myanimelist.net/manga/90359/Yasashii_Koi_ga_Sodatsu_made
https://myanimelist.net/manga/90822/Color_Recipe
https://myanimelist.net/manga/134696/BJ_Alex
https://myanimelist.net/manga/96678/Mods
https://myanimelist.net/manga/96846/Blue_Lust
https://myanimelist.net/manga/99397/Kowagaranaide_Soba_ni_Ite
https://myanimelist.net/manga/100927/Lonely_to_Organdy
https://myanimelist.net/manga/101041/Koe_wa_Shite_Namida_wa_Mienu_Nure_Karasu
https://myanimelist.net/manga/102539/Inu_to_Kakezuki
https://myanimelist.net/manga/102637/Ginza_Neon_Paradise
https://myanimelist.net/manga/103546/Hong_Kong_Dragnet
https://myanimelist.net/manga/105005/Odoru_Ecstasy
https://myanimelist.net/manga/105835/Sayonara_Game
https://myanimelist.net/manga/105927/Mitsumei
https://myanimelist.net/manga/107539/Life__Senjou_no_Bokura
https://myanimelist.net/manga/108260/Red_Beryl_ni_Sayonara
https://myanimelist.net/manga/108347/Kono_Koi_ni_Mirai_wa_Nai
https://myanimelist.net/manga/108619/Gift
https://myanimelist.net/manga/109141/Change_World
https://myanimelist.net/manga/109975/Kimagure_na_Jaguar
https://myanimelist.net/manga/110097/Baka_ni_Koi_toka_Shoujiki_Muri_ja_ne
https://myanimelist.net/manga/111023/Doronuma
https://myanimelist.net/manga/111407/Detain
https://myanimelist.net/manga/113069/Hinadori_wa_Shiokaze_ni_Madoromu
https://myanimelist.net/manga/84255/Hidamari_ga_Kikoeru (all series)
https://myanimelist.net/manga/113591/Tadatada_Suki_to_Iu_dake_de
https://myanimelist.net/manga/113597/Escape_Drop
https://myanimelist.net/manga/113603/Ao_ni_Naku
https://myanimelist.net/manga/114206/Maki-chan_wa_Kare_to_Sex_shitai
https://myanimelist.net/manga/114024/Revival_Blue
https://myanimelist.net/manga/109330/Kimi_wa_Natsu_no_Naka (all series)
https://myanimelist.net/manga/115881/Nights_Before_Night
https://myanimelist.net/manga/116053/Afureru_Namida_wo_Nomikonda_nara
https://myanimelist.net/manga/116075/Fuck_Buddy
https://myanimelist.net/manga/116080/Hishakai_Shindo
https://myanimelist.net/manga/116655/Bokura_wa_Nandomo_Koi_wo_Suru
https://myanimelist.net/manga/120577/Adam_no_Rokkotsu
https://myanimelist.net/manga/120601/Makotoshiyaka_ni_Mau_Hana_wa
https://myanimelist.net/manga/121079/Killing_Stalking
https://myanimelist.net/manga/121082/Rumspringa_no_Joukei
https://myanimelist.net/manga/121870/Dousei_Yankee_Akamatsu_Seven
https://myanimelist.net/manga/124885/My_Little_Inferno
https://myanimelist.net/manga/124887/Metro
https://myanimelist.net/manga/124888/Hitori_to_Hitori_no_3650-nichi
https://myanimelist.net/manga/126226/Moritat
https://myanimelist.net/manga/127161/Navigatoria_ni_Koi
https://myanimelist.net/manga/127572/Shinai_naru_Gene_e
https://myanimelist.net/manga/127768/Odai_wa_Kekkou_desu
https://myanimelist.net/manga/128811/Yonin_no_Nibiiro
https://myanimelist.net/manga/131574/Ore_shika_Shiranai_Karada (and a sequel too)
https://myanimelist.net/manga/132962/Boku_ga_Otto_ni_Deau_made
https://myanimelist.net/manga/133472/Bokura_ni_Namae_wo_Tsukeru_nara
https://myanimelist.net/manga/134649/Happy_of_the_End
https://myanimelist.net/manga/136103/Haruka_Tooki_Ie
https://myanimelist.net/manga/136398/Shinigami_wa_Korosenai
https://myanimelist.net/manga/136469/Retsujou_Paradox__Banken_wa_Yoru_Kiba_wo_Muku
https://myanimelist.net/manga/138838/Twilight
https://myanimelist.net/manga/139112/His_Little_Amber
https://myanimelist.net/manga/139444/Risou_no_Koibito_Himemiya-kun
https://myanimelist.net/manga/139549/Utsukushii_Koto
https://myanimelist.net/manga/139626/Meiji_Juuzoku_Tungsten
https://myanimelist.net/manga/139743/Undead
https://myanimelist.net/manga/141531/Two_Sides_of_the_Same_Coin
https://myanimelist.net/manga/141918/Call
https://myanimelist.net/manga/143845/Boku_wa_Kimi_dake_no_Mono
https://myanimelist.net/manga/146517/Toumei_na_Ai_no_Utsuwa
https://myanimelist.net/manga/147090/Kono_Kiss_wa_Kiji_ni_Dekinai
https://myanimelist.net/manga/115365/Kimi_to_Natsu_no_Naka
https://myanimelist.net/manga/151263/Bokura_no_Micro_na_Shuumatsu
https://myanimelist.net/manga/152222/Delivery_Hug_Therapy
https://myanimelist.net/manga/152701/Kimi_wo_Someru_Asayake_ni
https://myanimelist.net/manga/154112/Sayonara_no_Moment
https://myanimelist.net/manga/154904/Sakanai_Hana_ni_Mizuyari
https://myanimelist.net/manga/155962/Hajime_no_Koi
https://myanimelist.net/manga/158152/Kabukichou_After_Game_Sex
https://myanimelist.net/manga/159366/Healing_Paradox
https://myanimelist.net/manga/159896/Kotaete_My_Drifter
https://myanimelist.net/manga/162183/Kami_no_Fune_de_Nemuru
https://myanimelist.net/manga/107960/Bokura_ga_Koi_wo_Ushinau_Riyuu
https://myanimelist.net/manga/128524/Hikyoumono_dato_Waratte_Kure
https://myanimelist.net/manga/160808/Faker
https://myanimelist.net/manga/131614/Hadaka_yori_mo_Okufukaku
There are MUCH MORE works that I can recommend to read. I don't know your preferences, so I chose what are the masterpieces in BL genre for me. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask me.
Good luck with reading!!
https://myanimelist.net/manga/136294/Pearl_Boy
https://myanimelist.net/manga/134517/Under_the_Greenlight
https://myanimelist.net/manga/103942/Ao_no_Flag
https://myanimelist.net/manga/122906/Kieta_Hatsukoi
https://myanimelist.net/manga/149192/Love_Me_Not
https://myanimelist.net/manga/774/Na_mo_Naki_Tori_no_Tobu_Yoake
https://myanimelist.net/manga/1571/Sakura-gari
https://myanimelist.net/manga/2779/Kyoudai_Gentei__Brother_x_Brother
https://myanimelist.net/manga/4011/New_York_New_York
https://myanimelist.net/manga/5327/Lucky-kun
https://myanimelist.net/manga/15818/Yuuutsu_na_Asa
https://myanimelist.net/manga/19594/Hana_wa_Saku_ka
https://myanimelist.net/manga/20380/Kinryouku_no_Mori
https://myanimelist.net/manga/23268/Sky_Link
https://myanimelist.net/manga/25352/Hatsukoi_no_Atosaki
https://myanimelist.net/manga/36603/Deadlock
https://myanimelist.net/manga/52109/Hako_no_Naka
https://myanimelist.net/manga/61119/Utsukushii_Koto
https://myanimelist.net/manga/88314/Sabita_Yoru_demo_Koi_wa_Sasayaku
https://myanimelist.net/manga/90359/Yasashii_Koi_ga_Sodatsu_made
https://myanimelist.net/manga/90822/Color_Recipe
https://myanimelist.net/manga/134696/BJ_Alex
https://myanimelist.net/manga/96678/Mods
https://myanimelist.net/manga/96846/Blue_Lust
https://myanimelist.net/manga/99397/Kowagaranaide_Soba_ni_Ite
https://myanimelist.net/manga/100927/Lonely_to_Organdy
https://myanimelist.net/manga/101041/Koe_wa_Shite_Namida_wa_Mienu_Nure_Karasu
https://myanimelist.net/manga/102539/Inu_to_Kakezuki
https://myanimelist.net/manga/102637/Ginza_Neon_Paradise
https://myanimelist.net/manga/103546/Hong_Kong_Dragnet
https://myanimelist.net/manga/105005/Odoru_Ecstasy
https://myanimelist.net/manga/105835/Sayonara_Game
https://myanimelist.net/manga/105927/Mitsumei
https://myanimelist.net/manga/107539/Life__Senjou_no_Bokura
https://myanimelist.net/manga/108260/Red_Beryl_ni_Sayonara
https://myanimelist.net/manga/108347/Kono_Koi_ni_Mirai_wa_Nai
https://myanimelist.net/manga/108619/Gift
https://myanimelist.net/manga/109141/Change_World
https://myanimelist.net/manga/109975/Kimagure_na_Jaguar
https://myanimelist.net/manga/110097/Baka_ni_Koi_toka_Shoujiki_Muri_ja_ne
https://myanimelist.net/manga/111023/Doronuma
https://myanimelist.net/manga/111407/Detain
https://myanimelist.net/manga/113069/Hinadori_wa_Shiokaze_ni_Madoromu
https://myanimelist.net/manga/84255/Hidamari_ga_Kikoeru (all series)
https://myanimelist.net/manga/113591/Tadatada_Suki_to_Iu_dake_de
https://myanimelist.net/manga/113597/Escape_Drop
https://myanimelist.net/manga/113603/Ao_ni_Naku
https://myanimelist.net/manga/114206/Maki-chan_wa_Kare_to_Sex_shitai
https://myanimelist.net/manga/114024/Revival_Blue
https://myanimelist.net/manga/109330/Kimi_wa_Natsu_no_Naka (all series)
https://myanimelist.net/manga/115881/Nights_Before_Night
https://myanimelist.net/manga/116053/Afureru_Namida_wo_Nomikonda_nara
https://myanimelist.net/manga/116075/Fuck_Buddy
https://myanimelist.net/manga/116080/Hishakai_Shindo
https://myanimelist.net/manga/116655/Bokura_wa_Nandomo_Koi_wo_Suru
https://myanimelist.net/manga/120577/Adam_no_Rokkotsu
https://myanimelist.net/manga/120601/Makotoshiyaka_ni_Mau_Hana_wa
https://myanimelist.net/manga/121079/Killing_Stalking
https://myanimelist.net/manga/121082/Rumspringa_no_Joukei
https://myanimelist.net/manga/121870/Dousei_Yankee_Akamatsu_Seven
https://myanimelist.net/manga/124885/My_Little_Inferno
https://myanimelist.net/manga/124887/Metro
https://myanimelist.net/manga/124888/Hitori_to_Hitori_no_3650-nichi
https://myanimelist.net/manga/126226/Moritat
https://myanimelist.net/manga/127161/Navigatoria_ni_Koi
https://myanimelist.net/manga/127572/Shinai_naru_Gene_e
https://myanimelist.net/manga/127768/Odai_wa_Kekkou_desu
https://myanimelist.net/manga/128811/Yonin_no_Nibiiro
https://myanimelist.net/manga/131574/Ore_shika_Shiranai_Karada (and a sequel too)
https://myanimelist.net/manga/132962/Boku_ga_Otto_ni_Deau_made
https://myanimelist.net/manga/133472/Bokura_ni_Namae_wo_Tsukeru_nara
https://myanimelist.net/manga/134649/Happy_of_the_End
https://myanimelist.net/manga/136103/Haruka_Tooki_Ie
https://myanimelist.net/manga/136398/Shinigami_wa_Korosenai
https://myanimelist.net/manga/136469/Retsujou_Paradox__Banken_wa_Yoru_Kiba_wo_Muku
https://myanimelist.net/manga/138838/Twilight
https://myanimelist.net/manga/139112/His_Little_Amber
https://myanimelist.net/manga/139444/Risou_no_Koibito_Himemiya-kun
https://myanimelist.net/manga/139549/Utsukushii_Koto
https://myanimelist.net/manga/139626/Meiji_Juuzoku_Tungsten
https://myanimelist.net/manga/139743/Undead
https://myanimelist.net/manga/141531/Two_Sides_of_the_Same_Coin
https://myanimelist.net/manga/141918/Call
https://myanimelist.net/manga/143845/Boku_wa_Kimi_dake_no_Mono
https://myanimelist.net/manga/146517/Toumei_na_Ai_no_Utsuwa
https://myanimelist.net/manga/147090/Kono_Kiss_wa_Kiji_ni_Dekinai
https://myanimelist.net/manga/115365/Kimi_to_Natsu_no_Naka
https://myanimelist.net/manga/151263/Bokura_no_Micro_na_Shuumatsu
https://myanimelist.net/manga/152222/Delivery_Hug_Therapy
https://myanimelist.net/manga/152701/Kimi_wo_Someru_Asayake_ni
https://myanimelist.net/manga/154112/Sayonara_no_Moment
https://myanimelist.net/manga/154904/Sakanai_Hana_ni_Mizuyari
https://myanimelist.net/manga/155962/Hajime_no_Koi
https://myanimelist.net/manga/158152/Kabukichou_After_Game_Sex
https://myanimelist.net/manga/159366/Healing_Paradox
https://myanimelist.net/manga/159896/Kotaete_My_Drifter
https://myanimelist.net/manga/162183/Kami_no_Fune_de_Nemuru
https://myanimelist.net/manga/107960/Bokura_ga_Koi_wo_Ushinau_Riyuu
https://myanimelist.net/manga/128524/Hikyoumono_dato_Waratte_Kure
https://myanimelist.net/manga/160808/Faker
https://myanimelist.net/manga/131614/Hadaka_yori_mo_Okufukaku
There are MUCH MORE works that I can recommend to read. I don't know your preferences, so I chose what are the masterpieces in BL genre for me. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask me.
Good luck with reading!!
@Memore way to just randomly list all yaoi animne on mal unlike what the op asked lol |
Sep 24, 11:00 AM
#7
Reply to JoeChip
@JoeChip, not all, I chose what I like the most. Also read the Given, it is also the great work!! https://myanimelist.net/manga/79085/Given |
Sep 24, 11:16 AM
#8
https://myanimelist.net/manga/1365/Kaze_to_Ki_no_Uta An old manga that predates controversial yaoi tropes. The anime is great but adapts only the very beginning of the story. https://myanimelist.net/anime/37426/Sarazanmai Directed by Ikuhara, a man known for surreal anime with lesbians. Sarazanmai is his first work about gay males. It has an adult couple and also 3 teens who sort of have crushes on each other. https://myanimelist.net/anime/32995/Yuri_on_Ice My favorite. |
その目だれの目? |
Sep 24, 1:01 PM
#9
I see Given mentioned. Umibe no Étranger - The relationship is a slow burn and genuinely sweet. Some may not like it or think the source is superior. But I enjoyed it and didn't get the ick factor a lot of bl use Tadaima, Okaeri - The first AOB anime (as far as I know) a nice gentle anime with a bit of drama but nothing over the top. And basically an endearing couple at the centre of it. It also has some good side characters as well. Cherry Magic! Thirty Years of Virginity Can Make You a Wizard?! - Learning to love later in life. It actually develops the romance between the two leads. |
Sep 24, 9:56 PM
#10
Reply to JoeChip
https://myanimelist.net/anime/39533/Given
The synopsis is written in the link stop being lazy and go read it also lesbian relationships are also considered gay what you are talking about is male gay relationships and making your list private while asking for recs is not a good idea
The synopsis is written in the link stop being lazy and go read it also lesbian relationships are also considered gay what you are talking about is male gay relationships and making your list private while asking for recs is not a good idea
@JoeChip "The synopsis is written in the link stop being lazy and go read it" I've had a few experiences on other sites where I ask for recommendations and there's always someone who just drops a list of 20 titles with no description whatsoever. Just a title alone tells me literally nothing. At least you put a link. "also lesbian relationships are also considered gay what you are talking about is male gay relationships" I know. But it was either "Gay" or "MLM", and the latter isn't as eye catching (Not everyone knows what it means, and googling it brings up results about multi-level marketing) Since reading your post, I have fixed the last sentence of my post to clarify I mean gay male relationships. Probably should have put "Gay male" in the title too but ehh, too late. "making your list private while asking for recs is not a good idea" On one hand, I see your point. On the other, I have personal reasons for keeping my list private. And lastly, thanks for the recommendation. I see a lot of other people here mentioned Given as well so it's definitely going on the list. |
Sep 24, 9:57 PM
#11
Reply to Lucifrost
https://myanimelist.net/manga/1365/Kaze_to_Ki_no_Uta
An old manga that predates controversial yaoi tropes. The anime is great but adapts only the very beginning of the story.
https://myanimelist.net/anime/37426/Sarazanmai
Directed by Ikuhara, a man known for surreal anime with lesbians. Sarazanmai is his first work about gay males. It has an adult couple and also 3 teens who sort of have crushes on each other.
https://myanimelist.net/anime/32995/Yuri_on_Ice
My favorite.
An old manga that predates controversial yaoi tropes. The anime is great but adapts only the very beginning of the story.
https://myanimelist.net/anime/37426/Sarazanmai
Directed by Ikuhara, a man known for surreal anime with lesbians. Sarazanmai is his first work about gay males. It has an adult couple and also 3 teens who sort of have crushes on each other.
https://myanimelist.net/anime/32995/Yuri_on_Ice
My favorite.
@Lucifrost Thanks for the recommendations. Adding them to the list. |
Sep 24, 9:58 PM
#12
Reply to UberBat
I see Given mentioned.
Umibe no Étranger - The relationship is a slow burn and genuinely sweet. Some may not like it or think the source is superior. But I enjoyed it and didn't get the ick factor a lot of bl use
Tadaima, Okaeri - The first AOB anime (as far as I know) a nice gentle anime with a bit of drama but nothing over the top. And basically an endearing couple at the centre of it. It also has some good side characters as well.
Cherry Magic! Thirty Years of Virginity Can Make You a Wizard?! - Learning to love later in life. It actually develops the romance between the two leads.
Umibe no Étranger - The relationship is a slow burn and genuinely sweet. Some may not like it or think the source is superior. But I enjoyed it and didn't get the ick factor a lot of bl use
Tadaima, Okaeri - The first AOB anime (as far as I know) a nice gentle anime with a bit of drama but nothing over the top. And basically an endearing couple at the centre of it. It also has some good side characters as well.
Cherry Magic! Thirty Years of Virginity Can Make You a Wizard?! - Learning to love later in life. It actually develops the romance between the two leads.
@UberBat Thank you for the recommendations. Gonna add them to my list. |
Oct 6, 5:30 AM
#13
https://myanimelist.net/anime/32995/Yuri_on_Ice https://myanimelist.net/anime/36649/Banana_Fish https://myanimelist.net/manga/9700/Copernicus_no_Kokyuu It's a manga about a gay man who is circus joker and a prostitute. It's not a happy manga but worth reading it once. |
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