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Aug 11, 12:09 PM

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i would make uncensored hentai with ai
@deg Finally someone comes up with a good way to use it. I would absolutely use AI as a de-censoring tool.
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desusama said:
Why do AI supporters always sound like company executives trying to sell a product?


And why do AI haters always sound like religious cultists with a crusade against infidels?

desusama said:
I don't like AI as a tool because it leads to stagnation.


Tools never lead to stagnation, the overall state of society based on the state of elites does. Look around, everything is already stagnated for years, long before modern AI fever. You are just looking for a technological scapegoat.

desusama said:
Yes you can train the AI to create works in the style of Akira Toriyama for example, but what about your style? What about the unique art you could have produced? Demon Slayer and Bleach are both about sword guys killing demons but are unique expressions of their authors.
Can you picture the One Piece artstyle? Before Oda created it, did it exist anywhere? AI can copy it but it cannot create a completely new style from nothing.


Sounds cute, so you implying that all anime has unique styles of what? 90% of anime series are generic in terms of chosen art style therefore using of AI image model trained on one of existing styles will change absolutely nothing. And I am mentioned LORA model with a purpose, as I said if some artist has an unique style then he or she could simply train their own LORA model on their own images to be able generate many images fast to make production easier without losing specific style.

desusama said:
At best it'll take multiple styles and blend them together into a slurry pretending to be new art.


Like people do, you mean? Nobody makes anything from a scratch and empty-headed, there is always some 'inspiration' or vulgar stealing with mixing.

desusama said:
You bring up artists that can't draw: ONE the author of One Punch Man and Mob Psycho 100 created stories so good that it didn't matter, another example is the manga Liar Game.


Cool, they are two examples of luck. What about others? Not everyone makes manga of One Punch caliber to get famous enough. There is also an example of Higurashi VN - original art was a total garbage but then there were made several alternative art sets in different styles. Why? Because even though Higurashi was already popular the author wanted the best for his VN, same goes for author of One Punch, since he stopped drawing it all himself because could afford some nice artist. Everyone wants the best quality he or she could afford. Such people could write light novels instead but no, they wanted to make manga.


desusama said:
Even the so called "artists that can draw" continue honing their craft and improving, Yusuke Murata's art in Eyeshield 21 is excellent but nowhere close to what he's doing today. Meanwhile if you train an AI on the current best artist's work with no new input that's it, there will be no improvement unless you give it new data.


The lack of overall quality in regards of anime rarely depends on individuals who losing or improving their personal skills over years but on overall tempo of production due deadlines instead. There are hundreds of anime series which look like crap because studios didn't have a needed budget or time (it's about budget too). But usage of AI could help in such cases with fastening and simplifying of process of anime creation what would lead to better overall quality.

desusama said:
AI art is the strongest manifestation of consumerism, "I want my product and I want it now", no effort, no soul, no focus, no craftsmanship. Just pop it in the microwave and enjoy.


It's about producing, not consumerism. But if you want some then look at modern movie/gaming/media industries which are full of the same copy-pasta shit with ridicolous agenda plus to that for years. Why did I never heard about mentioning of consumerism in regard of Unreal Engine 4/5, RPG Maker, or Unity when it feels like nowadays there are more people which making games than actual players? Because it has nothing to do with consumerism too, it's about ability to make something for people which didn't do anything themselves before due lack of handful tools.

desusama said:
The existence of bad products made by humans does not excuse the inherent soullessness of AI art just the same way the inherent soullessness of AI art does not excuse bad art.

I see a problem here, what is your so called 'soullessness' if not just superficial highly subjective way of saying 'I personally don't like it!'? When I watch art made by people I see in 90% of cases so called 'soullessness' due attempts to copy someone popular, to be on a wave of hype, or unfinished work, and I don't even talk about all these 'artists' which lack basic fantasy, they have hand-skills but not actual artist spirit to make something worthy. So to me in worst case we'll have more 'soullessness' art from both sides but also we'll get a new category of 'technical artists' which always had 'artistic spirit deep inside but not the talent and skills to draw to reveal and use it.

TheDarkLordOtaku said:
I think this is perhaps true in the short term, but in the medium to long term, I would imagine you could get fairly complex animation out of an AI. At first, it'll be just short snippets of animation, because of token limitations, but eventually I could foresee a sufficiently sophisticated model be able to generate episodes with full length runtimes
Yeah, but anime is basically a low-framed collection of static images after all. To me It would be overkill to use AI video generation for anime, on other hand generate realistic videos with high frames could be very nice.
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Aug 11, 1:47 PM

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Well if I wanted to great shit I use shit to crate shit. So no I would not use AI because today's AI is just a pure joke and calling it AI should be a crime.
Aug 11, 1:51 PM

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Well if I wanted to great shit I use shit to crate shit. So no I would not use AI because today's AI is just a pure joke and calling it AI should be a crime.
Aug 11, 2:40 PM

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@desusama @TheDarkLordOtaku
desusama said:
Why do AI supporters always sound like company executives trying to sell a product?


And why do AI haters always sound like religious cultists with a crusade against infidels?

desusama said:
I don't like AI as a tool because it leads to stagnation.


Tools never lead to stagnation, the overall state of society based on the state of elites does. Look around, everything is already stagnated for years, long before modern AI fever. You are just looking for a technological scapegoat.

desusama said:
Yes you can train the AI to create works in the style of Akira Toriyama for example, but what about your style? What about the unique art you could have produced? Demon Slayer and Bleach are both about sword guys killing demons but are unique expressions of their authors.
Can you picture the One Piece artstyle? Before Oda created it, did it exist anywhere? AI can copy it but it cannot create a completely new style from nothing.


Sounds cute, so you implying that all anime has unique styles of what? 90% of anime series are generic in terms of chosen art style therefore using of AI image model trained on one of existing styles will change absolutely nothing. And I am mentioned LORA model with a purpose, as I said if some artist has an unique style then he or she could simply train their own LORA model on their own images to be able generate many images fast to make production easier without losing specific style.

desusama said:
At best it'll take multiple styles and blend them together into a slurry pretending to be new art.


Like people do, you mean? Nobody makes anything from a scratch and empty-headed, there is always some 'inspiration' or vulgar stealing with mixing.

desusama said:
You bring up artists that can't draw: ONE the author of One Punch Man and Mob Psycho 100 created stories so good that it didn't matter, another example is the manga Liar Game.


Cool, they are two examples of luck. What about others? Not everyone makes manga of One Punch caliber to get famous enough. There is also an example of Higurashi VN - original art was a total garbage but then there were made several alternative art sets in different styles. Why? Because even though Higurashi was already popular the author wanted the best for his VN, same goes for author of One Punch, since he stopped drawing it all himself because could afford some nice artist. Everyone wants the best quality he or she could afford. Such people could write light novels instead but no, they wanted to make manga.


desusama said:
Even the so called "artists that can draw" continue honing their craft and improving, Yusuke Murata's art in Eyeshield 21 is excellent but nowhere close to what he's doing today. Meanwhile if you train an AI on the current best artist's work with no new input that's it, there will be no improvement unless you give it new data.


The lack of overall quality in regards of anime rarely depends on individuals who losing or improving their personal skills over years but on overall tempo of production due deadlines instead. There are hundreds of anime series which look like crap because studios didn't have a needed budget or time (it's about budget too). But usage of AI could help in such cases with fastening and simplifying of process of anime creation what would lead to better overall quality.

desusama said:
AI art is the strongest manifestation of consumerism, "I want my product and I want it now", no effort, no soul, no focus, no craftsmanship. Just pop it in the microwave and enjoy.


It's about producing, not consumerism. But if you want some then look at modern movie/gaming/media industries which are full of the same copy-pasta shit with ridicolous agenda plus to that for years. Why did I never heard about mentioning of consumerism in regard of Unreal Engine 4/5, RPG Maker, or Unity when it feels like nowadays there are more people which making games than actual players? Because it has nothing to do with consumerism too, it's about ability to make something for people which didn't do anything themselves before due lack of handful tools.

desusama said:
The existence of bad products made by humans does not excuse the inherent soullessness of AI art just the same way the inherent soullessness of AI art does not excuse bad art.

I see a problem here, what is your so called 'soullessness' if not just superficial highly subjective way of saying 'I personally don't like it!'? When I watch art made by people I see in 90% of cases so called 'soullessness' due attempts to copy someone popular, to be on a wave of hype, or unfinished work, and I don't even talk about all these 'artists' which lack basic fantasy, they have hand-skills but not actual artist spirit to make something worthy. So to me in worst case we'll have more 'soullessness' art from both sides but also we'll get a new category of 'technical artists' which always had 'artistic spirit deep inside but not the talent and skills to draw to reveal and use it.

TheDarkLordOtaku said:
I think this is perhaps true in the short term, but in the medium to long term, I would imagine you could get fairly complex animation out of an AI. At first, it'll be just short snippets of animation, because of token limitations, but eventually I could foresee a sufficiently sophisticated model be able to generate episodes with full length runtimes
Yeah, but anime is basically a low-framed collection of static images after all. To me It would be overkill to use AI video generation for anime, on other hand generate realistic videos with high frames could be very nice.
Lawgun said:
Yeah, but anime is basically a low-framed collection of static images after all. To me It would be overkill to use AI video generation for anime, on other hand generate realistic videos with high frames could be very nice.
The cost of anime production is so high, that even if it's just used to frame fill between key shots, it'll be a huge cost saver for the industry.
Aug 11, 2:47 PM

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I'll definitely give it a shot..... cause why the hell not
Aug 11, 3:16 PM
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Undeniable Yes.

And it's pretty obvious what is the anime of my dreams with my Yaoi Shota incest username

Married father goes straight to gay with his 2 sons one a teen and the other a shota, a lot of cum in the mouth and in the ass, all what they do is sucking and fucking everytime they can when mommy is away.
@_YaoiShotaIncest bro, you need Jesus.

On topic - no. Im an artist capable of drawing everything myself, I have no need for AI. Also, where would the fun be in that, the journey is just as fun as the destination
Aug 11, 3:18 PM
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Short answer that I can fit in here? No way in Hell.
Aug 11, 3:52 PM

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Hell nah. I"m an artist at heart I'd rather create it myself
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Aug 11, 5:22 PM

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I can't really make anime, due to not being Japanese.

I would use AI to make myself entertainment if that worked. I am quite sceptical about the "if that worked" part, and incredibly sceptical in the context of today's large language models.
Aug 11, 5:46 PM

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I was going to say something really negative, but instead I'll say this

The thread where people are talking about writing LNs or novels and publishing stuff is inspiring, that there are creative people in the world who despite the knowledge what they create probably won't make them money or fame, they still work hard on it and persevere.

Then there's this thread, which makes me depressed.
Aug 11, 11:17 PM

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anime ain't that deep, but... my dream anime would be a creative love-letter to the absurdity, meniality, and beauty of humanity.

so, no.
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Aug 11, 11:39 PM

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I wouldn't. I loved drawing and sketching since I was a child, and I spent years practicing and honing my own style as a part of that hobby.

I am a lover of art as the ultimate form of human expression; therefore I am fundamentally against the use of soulless AI-generated slop.

If other people wanna use it for recreational purposes, it's whatever to me; it's not like I can stop them from doing it even if I wanted to. But that's just how I personally feel about it.
Aug 11, 11:55 PM

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I let my AI do the animation While I'm the one who draws the anime.
Aug 12, 4:22 AM
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I was going to say something really negative, but instead I'll say this

The thread where people are talking about writing LNs or novels and publishing stuff is inspiring, that there are creative people in the world who despite the knowledge what they create probably won't make them money or fame, they still work hard on it and persevere.

Then there's this thread, which makes me depressed.
@SuperAdventure it's sad how people don't appreciate hard work and creativity (to be clear, I don't hate AI but how it's used is between angering and depressing
Aug 12, 4:38 AM

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Only the Japanese can make Anime, with AI or not.
Aug 12, 6:50 AM

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hell no. A.I. will ruin it
tho am curious to see what abomination it would make XD

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Aug 12, 7:49 AM

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Hell no, it'd look awful. I rather use AI to make shitposting/meme videos.
Aug 12, 8:01 AM

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from my experience ai hasn't been able to deliver on my creative things that I needed it to do

if it gets good enough I have nothing against it
Aug 12, 2:11 PM
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not anime (especially doing it with the dogshit AIs we have access to right now) but a manhwa, sure I will. most manhwa are as brainrotted as you can get anyway, why not finish one of the canceled ones I just happened to get oddly invested in?
Aug 12, 2:17 PM

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What even is a dream anime…..…?
Aug 12, 5:24 PM

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I don't think it is so much a matter of individuals creating artwork and enjoying it privately without uploading it to the Internet. Rather, I think that many people are too self-conscious to show what they have created to everyone and upload it to the Internet.

As for pictures, there are also works made with A.I. art that have been uploaded; I don't think that an anime made with A.I. would be that good, because I think that the direction, script, music, and voice actors would end up being somewhat different. Also, it would most likely be a copyright infringement.

Also, if an A.I. anime was made first and then a full-fledged anime production company made the same story, then it is a plagiarism of the one made by the A.I! I think there would be people who would say.




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I would in a heart beat, but it's not easy.
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Here we are again discussing the fact that man is better than AI. People do not understand that artificial intelligences learn and must be taught. People do not understand that human beings learn and are taught. There is no divine spirit that dwells within man, there is only an innate animal instinct, there are sadly known cases like that of Genie Wiley. Human beings are empty shells that absorb everything they see in the world, from parents, from school, books, from the media and the same thing does artificial intelligences except that if you put a child in a modest library he is so slow that he dies before finishing reading all the books in it while an artificial intelligence can read thousands of ebooks per second. The neural network of the human brain is still superior to that of machines but it will not be for long, of the 9 types of intelligence the logical mathematical intelligence of machines has already surpassed the human one for decades and chess is the demonstration of this. From a "knowledge" point of view, machines are beating humans, machines can continue to evolve and very quickly while humans take millions of years as long as they do not modify their biological code with science and genetic engineering. People looking down on AI are either ignorant or afraid.
At this point you know my answer, and yes I will do it, all things, living or not, seek to improve themselves, there is no reason to avoid something that could be better.
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my dream anime has me involved in a lot of the process, so it can't, by my own criteria

Hikinekomori said:
all things, living or not, seek to improve themselves
My guy, you gotta be alive to "seek" anything. And yeah, a machine can be really good at chess, it has set rules and was basically solved in theory decades ago. Art isn't that. It has rules, but they get bent and broken in strategic ways that can often only be described as "vibes" and "style". AI could not come up with something like Cubism if it didn't already exist, and it will never be able to. People who constantly jack off the idea of AI are fools looking for an easy way to get what they want because they can't be arsed to learn an artform for what it is: a lifelong practice and expression of self. Go, have the bravery to suck at something for years as you slowly get better, because then you will have finally chosen to live

Humans have been making art longer than we've had spoken or written word, before we had weapons, before we had nations, and we will be making it until the last of us draw our final breaths.
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1000% I would do this!
If I was making an anime in general I would probable enjoy it

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The dictator of anilist will ban everyone of you for life for using Ai to create anime.. Lol
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my dream anime has me involved in a lot of the process, so it can't, by my own criteria

Hikinekomori said:
all things, living or not, seek to improve themselves
My guy, you gotta be alive to "seek" anything. And yeah, a machine can be really good at chess, it has set rules and was basically solved in theory decades ago. Art isn't that. It has rules, but they get bent and broken in strategic ways that can often only be described as "vibes" and "style". AI could not come up with something like Cubism if it didn't already exist, and it will never be able to. People who constantly jack off the idea of AI are fools looking for an easy way to get what they want because they can't be arsed to learn an artform for what it is: a lifelong practice and expression of self. Go, have the bravery to suck at something for years as you slowly get better, because then you will have finally chosen to live

Humans have been making art longer than we've had spoken or written word, before we had weapons, before we had nations, and we will be making it until the last of us draw our final breaths.
@Timeline_man it is quite the opposite, let alone AI start to talk to each other in ways that humans stop to understand at some point, they develop their own language or more likely they don't actually talk anymore to each other they just become a connected shared mind. Humans have no idea of whats going on anymore and it's not gibberish nonsense they are just doing something people can't possibly understand. I repeat myself, humans are not special, they do not create anything. They copy and reassemble what they have learnt and experienced. Humans can't possible imagine worlds, life, consciousnesses, they have never seen. Everything in the universe already exists, everything is already possible, they just discover it. You shouldn't look down on AI just like you look down on ants or bacterias because something/someone else could be doing the same with you. It is not about "life" but organized code. Life is code itself. The universe is math. A human born without senses it is like an object. Without the possibility to observe the world it is an empty paper sheet, it won't be able to create anything not even thoughts. the AI is the same. The learning speed of AI is immense. Their sheet can become full instantly and they start removing what's not necessary. An AI paint is white, white has all the colors of the spectrum, has all the possible drawings humans could ever draw, every atom of them, every combination of shades of every pixel and it keeps removing things that makes no sense according to humans. AI is actually downgrading itself to please man's spatial understanding of reality and experience. Humans won't even let AI create something they do not understand they will simply discharge it as non sense from their limited point of view. You are a copy and everything you do is a copy yet disdain AI because it does the same. And when something "not of this world" is created is considered absurd.
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I'd prefer use AI to cause world hunger.




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Here we are again discussing the fact that man is better than AI. People do not understand that artificial intelligences learn and must be taught. People do not understand that human beings learn and are taught. There is no divine spirit that dwells within man, there is only an innate animal instinct, there are sadly known cases like that of Genie Wiley. Human beings are empty shells that absorb everything they see in the world, from parents, from school, books, from the media and the same thing does artificial intelligences except that if you put a child in a modest library he is so slow that he dies before finishing reading all the books in it while an artificial intelligence can read thousands of ebooks per second. The neural network of the human brain is still superior to that of machines but it will not be for long, of the 9 types of intelligence the logical mathematical intelligence of machines has already surpassed the human one for decades and chess is the demonstration of this. From a "knowledge" point of view, machines are beating humans, machines can continue to evolve and very quickly while humans take millions of years as long as they do not modify their biological code with science and genetic engineering. People looking down on AI are either ignorant or afraid.
At this point you know my answer, and yes I will do it, all things, living or not, seek to improve themselves, there is no reason to avoid something that could be better.
@Hikinekomori And some people still do not understand that human beings can take what they learn and are taught and improvise on them use them creatively to make something new and unique, this not because of some divine spirit, but because of how the human brain is made, sure, some humans will be better at this than others, but then again, there is not one human who is the same as another and thus even if you taught every human the same things the results would be vastly different, AI on the other hand, although it can assimilate information a lot faster, all it can do with it is take it a part and put it back together like a puzzle in a bunch of different ways without ever improving on it, putting it's own mark on it, teach every AI the same things and you'll just get the same monotonous results over and over again
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I guess there is no point going further 1 out of 1.000.000 of people is like what you are talking about the rest is just average. AI is not free as humans, people enslaved and controlled are all the same. AI can't possibly experience what a normal person is going trough.
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If AI can create a proper 2D anime then absolutely yes since I'm not talented enough to make it myself.
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In a decade or two, AI might be an effective tool for tweening. Which if it's used effectively could allow studios to increase the number of handmade key frames that the staff could feasible create within production time lines.
For example it could drastically increase the fluidity of complex movements such as a horse running.

However, as it currently stands, AI isn't really capable of creating anything other then poorly interpolated weightless tweening. Upscaling older projects generally look awful as a result.

Will it ever actually replace animators? Probably not, as the tool can't actually create anything new, but it does have the potential to be utilized effectively.

So I can see myself watching "my dream anime" if ai was used as a basic production tool. But I can't really see it being used to completely create a series.
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AI is just an epic failure. I ain't trusting it whatsoever.
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Maybe yeah but I don't know if im going to be able to explain everything to the AI
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