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Mar 1, 2024 3:29 AM
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From what I heard,
or something like that. If you have read the manga, what do you think of the relationship? Is it toxic? I plan to watch the anime, but I don't feel like watching anime with toxic relationships in it.
Mar 1, 2024 4:23 AM
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I haven’t finished the manga but from what I read he seem kinda obsessed with her but not too obsessed
Mar 1, 2024 5:11 AM
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I have no manga knowledge but I estimate that the attitude problems of any or all main characters are simply a barrier to romance to make the journey more interesting. Like the guy in ‘The Dangers in my Heart’ isn’t really murderous, it’s his emo way of dealing with insecurity. And Nagatoro only bullies through peer pressure but becomes less aggressive over time as other new emotions teach her empathy. I don’t expect a show either such pastel healing art to be anything but warm and fluffy.
Mar 1, 2024 5:58 AM
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Hananoi is pretty "toxic" at the beginning, trying to explain without spoilers
he wants to be loved so bad that he sacrifices himself every chance he gets and "tries too hard"
which is bot something that the girl appreciates, forgot her name:(
She doesn't understand crushes and valies friendship so sees hananoi's actions as a burden and unnecessary
with time they grow from that, hananoi shares and trusts her more
and she understands what is like to like someone and how is different from a simple friendship so understands more of his self-sacrificing doings and else

so, yes
the relationship is a mess at the start, but then they learn and grow
think of it as a more realistic take on romance, don't watch it with your eyes closed:(
it's such a gorgeous story
Mar 1, 2024 6:45 AM
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Yes and no. Toxic if you’re going by internet standards. Hananoi is a complex individual with abandonment issues so he is a bit strong, but he’s by no means a yandere or abusive either.
Mar 1, 2024 9:24 AM
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Yeah he is over protective and obsessed with Hotaru. I won't spoil anything but he did overcome that and change thanks to a certain event.
Mar 5, 2024 2:59 AM
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What’s happens when the childhood friend come back ?
Mar 5, 2024 2:59 AM
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@aryllberry exactly. To the internet people with no actual life experience, he’s Mr. Red Flag toxic as they come. To any sane rational person, Hananoi just comes off as a desperate lost soul looking for love. Don’t get me wrong he’s an extremist in a way with how he approaches love, but never once does he ever do anything that crosses a line or is considered morally wrong. He’s only ever done good and was always more than respectful in every action. He’s a little off, but he’s a stud. Once his full background gets revealed, everything makes more sense.

I won’t comment on what happens in the manga when the one childhood friend shows back up. I still stand behind my boy Hananoi ๐Ÿ˜ค

What’s happens when the childhood friend come back ?
Mar 20, 2024 12:34 PM
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I wouldn’t call him toxic. Sure, he’s somewhat obsessive with Hotaru throughout the first half of the series, but it given a fair explanation of why he’s like that and he does gradually mellow down as well. It’s also worth mentioning that there isn’t a single moment where comes off as being manipulative or tries to gaslight Hotaru in any kind or form.
Apr 5, 2024 2:14 AM
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Hananoi is pretty "toxic" at the beginning, trying to explain without spoilers
he wants to be loved so bad that he sacrifices himself every chance he gets and "tries too hard"
which is bot something that the girl appreciates, forgot her name:(
She doesn't understand crushes and valies friendship so sees hananoi's actions as a burden and unnecessary
with time they grow from that, hananoi shares and trusts her more
and she understands what is like to like someone and how is different from a simple friendship so understands more of his self-sacrificing doings and else

so, yes
the relationship is a mess at the start, but then they learn and grow
think of it as a more realistic take on romance, don't watch it with your eyes closed:(
it's such a gorgeous story
@angel1309 "which is not something that the girl appreciates, forgot her name:("

Are you talking about this girl?
RealNathApr 5, 2024 2:18 AM
Apr 5, 2024 5:03 AM
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Yes, he is actively stalking and love-bombing her. So many ๐Ÿšฉ๐Ÿšฉ๐Ÿšฉ
Apr 5, 2024 5:30 AM
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Oh here we go..Hananoi is toxic at the beginning but thats the point xD he develops ALOOT.
Apr 5, 2024 6:34 AM

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No it's not it.. Here's an idea, why not watch the anime or better yet read the manga rather than relying on what some clown on twitter/X said.
Apr 5, 2024 9:02 AM

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Like most have said, I don't think you'd say toxic. He is overbearing at times, but it comes from a place of genuine love for Hinase. And while he is overbearing, he doesn't force things on her. Also the show does a really good job of explaining Hananoi. It doesn't give him a cliched super tragic backstory, but one where you absolutely look at him and say, "wow that really sucks and is sad" and shows why giving your all for someone you love is the most important thing for him.

Plus (and maybe this doesn't actually make it better, but) he totally gets how he is. He knows he's overbearing and can be too much. He's always honest with that fact and about himself. He doesn't try to be deceitful about it. He basically just comes out and says, "this is me, this is how I am, these are things I've done in the past, I know it's not a good thing". He tries to change himself (and does as the story goes on) for her. Honestly it's a really sweet story.
Apr 5, 2024 1:54 PM
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Yeah he is over protective and obsessed with Hotaru. I won't spoil anything but he did overcome that and change thanks to a certain event.

One question, will this "certain event" occur in this season, I mean 12 episodes? Or if we'll have to wait untill season 2, assuming it will get one
Apr 5, 2024 2:00 PM
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aru4l said:
CheliosX said:
Yeah he is over protective and obsessed with Hotaru. I won't spoil anything but he did overcome that and change thanks to a certain event.

One question, will this "certain event" occur in this season, I mean 12 episodes? Or if we'll have to wait untill season 2, assuming it will get one

No, I highly doubt it. I won't say whether the event will take place in the future or if it was a past event but it most definitely won't happen in this season. But there might be a sneak peek into that probably at the end of the last episode.
Apr 5, 2024 9:03 PM
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Anime-only: the first episode already left the impression Saki is a tryhard. Counting on Hotaru to fix him.
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Apr 5, 2024 9:50 PM
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The point of the series is that Hananoi is an extremely toxic and codependent partner so yeah, but at the same time he's not irredeemable and goes through a lot of character development (especially after a certain incident that borders on yandere). It's a series about imperfect people but that's why it's interesting and it handles the topics with care, I think.
Apr 6, 2024 9:04 AM
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No, not at all, he's not remotely toxic (in the manga or the anime).

Sure he's a bit too much, but so are many people.

He knows he's not perfect. He admits it. But he also does the best he can. And that's often all you can hope for.

Plus, he's a genuinely nice guy.

And honestly, I'm so sick of the overuse of the term "toxic" to describe someone in a relationship who might not be perfect. Let's face it. Nobody is.

Then again, the whole way especially so many in the younger generation in the west deal with just real life nowadays is getting pretty sad. So many people are so emotionally weak, you wonder how they're going to handle the basic things life throws at them as they get older.

I've lived in Asia for much of my life, and never experienced this. Then come back to the west, and it's easy to see why Asia is kicking the west's ass. So many westerners are just too fragile to be alive.

Thankfully, though, the Japanese refuse to change their anime just to placate the snowflakes in the west :)



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I am disgusted by how this anime tries to portray such deep emotional instability as something cute. And watching the girl just rationalize away his creepy attitudes feel jarring. Her friends who may have more experience don't give her any advise either, they are all just letting the creepy dude come up to her in her own classroom constantly just because he's "cute". People like that need to go to therapy before they ruin the lives of others.
Apr 8, 2024 3:08 PM
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So. I know he apparently mellows and gets better later. But when I read the first volume of the manga, he was just too much for me and just set off too many flags. How quickly does it take for him to mellow out, or will he be this intense for like most of the season?
I know Nagatoro started out harsh, but settled into a nice and cute story pretty quickly. But this one makes me apprehensive.
Apr 12, 2024 2:13 PM
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Yes and no. Toxic if you’re going by internet standards. Hananoi is a complex individual with abandonment issues so he is a bit strong, but he’s by no means a yandere or abusive either.
@aryllberry Thanks. After two episodes I was starting to think this was a yandere drama, not liking him at all so far
Apr 12, 2024 2:13 PM
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Yes and no. Toxic if you’re going by internet standards. Hananoi is a complex individual with abandonment issues so he is a bit strong, but he’s by no means a yandere or abusive either.
@aryllberry Thanks. After two episodes I was starting to think this was a yandere drama, not liking him at all so far
Apr 13, 2024 1:38 AM

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hmmmm unhealthy why? He's just being super nice to her and keeping a good boundary. He's doing things for her but doesn't request or expect anything in return.
Anime only ep 2, we see a glimpse of how he feels about her maybe the anime make it seem like wanting to hint at he's some crazy crazy but I don't think he is.
He seem genuinely a great guy to me LOL regardless what he wants he's matching her pace. She asked him for a kiss and he explained to her you don't want to let people you're not sure if you like or not do something like that to you. He goes on to tell her how he's feeling even if it's not like that for her. So I feel like for someone like her it'll be very easy to take advantage or trick someone like that so I think they hit a jackpot with each other. No way in hell this is Yandere anime. Maybe I am crazy? But I feel like if I have a family member or a friend that's crazy innocent and easily tricked I would be thanking god they find someone like Hananoi-kun. I don't know why anyone would think there's toxic or unhealthy thing going on. I mean isn't that what everyone would want in a relationship for your bf/gf, partner whatever to forever be super obsessed with you but always put you first and never ever do anything that would harm you. Somebody tell me I am not crazy? lol
Apr 13, 2024 4:36 AM

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hmmmm unhealthy why? He's just being super nice to her and keeping a good boundary. He's doing things for her but doesn't request or expect anything in return.
Anime only ep 2, we see a glimpse of how he feels about her maybe the anime make it seem like wanting to hint at he's some crazy crazy but I don't think he is.
He seem genuinely a great guy to me LOL regardless what he wants he's matching her pace. She asked him for a kiss and he explained to her you don't want to let people you're not sure if you like or not do something like that to you. He goes on to tell her how he's feeling even if it's not like that for her. So I feel like for someone like her it'll be very easy to take advantage or trick someone like that so I think they hit a jackpot with each other. No way in hell this is Yandere anime. Maybe I am crazy? But I feel like if I have a family member or a friend that's crazy innocent and easily tricked I would be thanking god they find someone like Hananoi-kun. I don't know why anyone would think there's toxic or unhealthy thing going on. I mean isn't that what everyone would want in a relationship for your bf/gf, partner whatever to forever be super obsessed with you but always put you first and never ever do anything that would harm you. Somebody tell me I am not crazy? lol
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Yeah agreed. I think unhealthy or toxic is bit of a stretch. He's certainly more intense about love than many other people tend to be but it doesn't even come close to reaching the level of yandere so far. Maybe you could argue that the "ๅ›ใ‚’ๅƒ•ใ ใ‘ใฎใ‚‚ใฎใซใ—ใŸใ„" note is a little over the top this early on? Then again, it's in the trash for a reason; he's not being manipulative or anything and clearly takes their relationship seriously like with the kiss part you mentioned. I also assume that the "Hotaru Zone" was just a joke of course... now that would be very yandere-esque indeed.
Apr 13, 2024 8:52 AM

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Yeah agreed. I think unhealthy or toxic is bit of a stretch. He's certainly more intense about love than many other people tend to be but it doesn't even come close to reaching the level of yandere so far. Maybe you could argue that the "ๅ›ใ‚’ๅƒ•ใ ใ‘ใฎใ‚‚ใฎใซใ—ใŸใ„" note is a little over the top this early on? Then again, it's in the trash for a reason; he's not being manipulative or anything and clearly takes their relationship seriously like with the kiss part you mentioned. I also assume that the "Hotaru Zone" was just a joke of course... now that would be very yandere-esque indeed.
@EatATalkyMouse Yep exactly "ๅ›ใ‚’ๅƒ•ใ ใ‘ใฎใ‚‚ใฎใซใ—ใŸใ„" is what he's thinking but he knows that's not too good of a thing so he got rid of it. May seem to hint at something sinister but then in reality it's similar. You want the person you like to like you back and you want them for yourself. Who shares gf/bf? right? If he meant it like you can't have friends or care about your family then creepy call the police. Quiet positive he doesn't mean it like that and isn't doing anything controlling or anything that would upset her. At least so far I don't see anything like that from him. It just looks me like a desperate cry like please just look at me and only me. Hananoi-kun seem to be a very honest character to me, he thinks she's so special so I think he'll treat her well. I still think regardless how obsessive he might be if he doesn't harm her at all there's no problem. The Hotaru Zone is LOL, It depends what he has in there. It does seem like he would let her see if she really wanted. He did say to her if you want to see it you have to be ready for it. His parents are well off but he seems so neglected. He has the good looks so people approach him but just for his looks. Seem like a sad lonely character, one of those look like they have it all, other people envious but actually sad and depressed. Also he told her if she didn't like him back in the end he doesn't want to be friends he's just going to disappear from her life. So I don't see how he's doing her any harm. It's a shame that some people think this is a creepy anime. I think it's about 2 people that have different personality than the average that's navigating love and life while growing together. I find them adorable lol
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@EatATalkyMouse Yep exactly "ๅ›ใ‚’ๅƒ•ใ ใ‘ใฎใ‚‚ใฎใซใ—ใŸใ„" is what he's thinking but he knows that's not too good of a thing so he got rid of it. May seem to hint at something sinister but then in reality it's similar. You want the person you like to like you back and you want them for yourself. Who shares gf/bf? right? If he meant it like you can't have friends or care about your family then creepy call the police. Quiet positive he doesn't mean it like that and isn't doing anything controlling or anything that would upset her. At least so far I don't see anything like that from him. It just looks me like a desperate cry like please just look at me and only me. Hananoi-kun seem to be a very honest character to me, he thinks she's so special so I think he'll treat her well. I still think regardless how obsessive he might be if he doesn't harm her at all there's no problem. The Hotaru Zone is LOL, It depends what he has in there. It does seem like he would let her see if she really wanted. He did say to her if you want to see it you have to be ready for it. His parents are well off but he seems so neglected. He has the good looks so people approach him but just for his looks. Seem like a sad lonely character, one of those look like they have it all, other people envious but actually sad and depressed. Also he told her if she didn't like him back in the end he doesn't want to be friends he's just going to disappear from her life. So I don't see how he's doing her any harm. It's a shame that some people think this is a creepy anime. I think it's about 2 people that have different personality than the average that's navigating love and life while growing together. I find them adorable lol
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Right, I know I wouldn't want to share lol. I can understand it being misinterpreted in different ways but so far it's pretty evident he genuinely cares about her and hasn't done anything controlling so I take it to be the normal desire I'd imagine most partners would have. And ikr I can't really picture a literal shrine LOL. It must be something either family or relationship related from the past and I'm sure it's somehow connected to how he is, and that'd of course be a little heavy to talk about with your partner on the first day they visit your house so I understand the reasoning. He was pretty open about showing it with the warning too, so I doubt it's something serial killer tier. I think he must have some sort of abandonment issues which makes sense considering his family seems to constantly go on trips so that definitely plays a factor on his personality. Definitely an interesting concept for a romance anime, and I'm glad that I didn't have to wait until the literal last episode for the couple to get together. Looking forward to how it progresses!
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Right, I know I wouldn't want to share lol. I can understand it being misinterpreted in different ways but so far it's pretty evident he genuinely cares about her and hasn't done anything controlling so I take it to be the normal desire I'd imagine most partners would have. And ikr I can't really picture a literal shrine LOL. It must be something either family or relationship related from the past and I'm sure it's somehow connected to how he is, and that'd of course be a little heavy to talk about with your partner on the first day they visit your house so I understand the reasoning. He was pretty open about showing it with the warning too, so I doubt it's something serial killer tier. I think he must have some sort of abandonment issues which makes sense considering his family seems to constantly go on trips so that definitely plays a factor on his personality. Definitely an interesting concept for a romance anime, and I'm glad that I didn't have to wait until the literal last episode for the couple to get together. Looking forward to how it progresses!
@EatATalkyMouse omg yes!! I really dislike having to watch the whole show to see if A and B will be together. I am loving how it's going to be about growth and development. Hananoi-kun seem more normal to me than Hotaru. Like you said he's just bit intense bit obsessive but not evil at all, Hotaru-chan though is more werid since she's emotionless LOL. I have to say I grew up pretty similar to her but not to that extent. I think because of that I lost a whole section of youth experience. During high school I was always just so invested into my hobbies I don't understand why people bothered dating. It was such a waste of time, seeing all the girls starting to care about their appearance and talking about boys was just meh. I was always talking TO the boys not about the boys HAHAHA because I was so into gaming, manga, anime and technologies/computers. I did have female friends too but I would also only be talking about anime, music or tv shows. I also had Hotaru-chan's hairstyle LOL and it was because of the same reason too! Easy to deal with, I don't even need to brush my hair ever. Didn't even own a brush. I always hang out with the boys because of my hobbies and I do any girly stuff. I would stay over at my male friends house when his parents goes on holiday and so he was left all alone for weeks often. They take his sister because she's young but they always just leave money at home for him stack of cash and leave him alone. The guy doesn't even know how to cook so he would have to eat weeks of take outs. So I was like dude time to game all day all night long and I can make you rmeals. I genuinely did not care and was never worried about anything. We talk all night about random stuff too. We never thought it was a problem because I was just a dude to him and he was just a friend that happened to be male. I think because I am a bit unusual I can somewhat related to Hotaru-chan. Still she's bit more extreme. I definitely wouldn't be wanting to try dating someone I don't even like or go to their house sit in their room when I know they like me abit obsessively. I would be afraid. LOL So Hotaru-chan is lucky that Hananoi-kun is a good guy and not a creep. I also think the Shrine thing isn't going to be anything creepy because he was open to showing her if she actually wanted to see. She's the one that said she's fine not looking lol. Yet still just casually sitting in his room asking him to try giving her a kiss. Like errrrrrrrm. How come the people that think this show is problematic are focus on him when she seem to have a bigger problem than him. haha. I think it's going to be really cute seeing how she's going to help him with his mental health or whatever truma he might have. Can't wait to see her development when she will like him back. I am so ready for a wholesome shoujo romance!
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Realistically speaking this is the type of guy that will turn violent (physically and/or verbally) later on. With all the signs being very clear you still have women that keeps the relationship going just to go through violence in the future even tho they could avoid it all.
But since it's fantasy they turn everything into a "cute love history". And people defending it do the same.
With the amount of idiot teenagers watching this stuff they shouldn't make histories like these... but you know... tv shows romanticizing evil stuff (suicide, drugs) or mental illnesses (depresion, sexual deviant behaviors) is very common everywhere, unfortunately. So this isn't a surprise.

And to see people saying "To any sane rational person, Hananoi just comes off as a desperate lost soul looking for love." just makes me puke. THESE are the people that don't go out, nor has experience with people that were abused...

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Yes and no. Toxic if you’re going by internet standards. Hananoi is a complex individual with abandonment issues so he is a bit strong, but he’s by no means a yandere or abusive either.
@aryllberry by the so-called internet standards, (really only the standards of a bunch of Western ideological degenerates who presume to rule the World,) any man who's ever been attracted to a woman is toxic.
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Hotaru is toxic af. Constantly forgetting about her boyfriend, making him feel devalued at every turn. He deserves better.

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