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Dec 10, 2023 11:13 AM
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Freaking MAL audience, they all don't have those balls to appreciate a proper story. All they relay on is compition with their other sucking beloved anime.
Dec 10, 2023 11:25 AM
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xkazutox said:
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Vinland Saga S2 is better than JJK S2 by a huge margin.

JJK S2 is just heavily focus on battle action, but it is no where near Vinland Saga S2 for story.
Oshi no Ko was good but that's because it has a strong ep 1 start. That's it.
Apothecary is out of discussion since this is slower progression. It is new but probably need more sequels. It still feels like we haven't dive deep into the plot yet.
Frieren has real strong individual episodes.

I would say it's either Frieren or Vinland Saga S2 for me this year for 2023.

Von_Oberstein said:
If we're talking about the "of all time" category, then Frieren isn't even in my top 70.


Also, no point of saying your top 70 when all you seen was 162. 70 out of 162 (completed+watching) doesn't mean much.

Yeah, I agree that VS is much better than JJK. But I liked JJK for simply what it is - a battle shonen. I don't watch it for intricate plot or deep characters, I watch it for epic fights and pure entertainment and not many shonens are able to scratch that itch that JJK does for me. It's simply a great choice for "popcorn & chill" amusement.

Also I don't bother with adding anime series/movies or manga that I've dropped, which usually happens with every third or fourth title. Realistically, my list should contain around ~250 titles, but I'm too lazy to do it. I don't care about numbers.
Dec 10, 2023 12:42 PM

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Idk, I love it but I don’t see it being #1 or a 10/10 masterpiece. As far as story goes it’s quite unoriginal, it just feels like a clone of To Your Eternity minus the major threat to humanity. Only reason I like Frieren more is because To Your Eternity fell apart over time.

An 8 or 9 for me personally, but not close to being the best anime ever made.
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Dec 10, 2023 12:45 PM

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OPGMitaki said:
If anyone criticises this Anime they are either stupid, or just a braindead peraon who can't appreciate anything except permanent fight scenes. Sousou No Frieren is easily the top contender of 2023 along with Oshi no Ko. And that is just an objective fact. But we cannot forget Jujutsu Kaisens amazing performance despite the situation at MAPPA, as well as the teary ending of Attack on Titan, the face of new generation Anime.

Bro, it’s your opinion, that’s not objective in any way. The best anime will always be subjective because people have different tastes and views. Why does it matter if someone dislikes the anime? Just enjoy it yourself and move on.
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Dec 10, 2023 12:53 PM
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If anyone criticises this Anime they are either stupid, or just a braindead peraon who can't appreciate anything except permanent fight scenes. Sousou No Frieren is easily the top contender of 2023 along with Oshi no Ko. And that is just an objective fact. But we cannot forget Jujutsu Kaisens amazing performance despite the situation at MAPPA, as well as the teary ending of Attack on Titan, the face of new generation Anime.
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Dec 10, 2023 3:54 PM
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Yes, it is the best anime of all time, for me. Right now I just don't feel like anything tops this. That's probably the recency bias speaking, but idc. It's so good.


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Dec 10, 2023 5:47 PM

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I binged all 14 episodes today. While it's pretty good and maybe better than most anime. I don't think it's better than the ones at the top, it's certainly not better than FMAB so far. But probably due to a lower member count of those possibly interested in it, this is why it's scored higher than it should be.

In time that number will drop. I'd give it a 7.5. I did rate it 7 at first and then changed it to 8 at some point during. Then almost wanted to change it back to 7 near the end. But I think I'll leave that rating at 8 for now.
Dec 10, 2023 11:24 PM
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Leon888 said:
@Saimatsu_Fan What would these defects be?

there's no emotional impact and the show itself isn't interesting at all

and no by " not interesting " i DON'T mean " there's no action!!! ", there's nothing groundbreaking or amazing about this show, just a regular fantasy show
Dec 11, 2023 12:05 AM
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Leon888 said:
@Saimatsu_Fan What would these defects be?

there's no emotional impact and the show itself isn't interesting at all

and no by " not interesting " i DON'T mean " there's no action!!! ", there's nothing groundbreaking or amazing about this show, just a regular fantasy show
@Saimatsu_Fan

Then it is not a massive flaws. You're clearly not into these anime. If battle shounen is all that you like, is not right to say another genre anime has a massive flaw.

There's a different between saying a show has massive flaws versus a show doesn't suit your taste. It's for a different audience, and you're not them.

The pace of this show would appeals more to slice of life and iyashikei. I have lots of doubts when you used the word groundbreaking. There are in fact groundbreaking shows that weren't high on your list.

You rated action higher than groundbreaking. Contradicting but understandable if that's what you like to watch O.o
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xkazutox said:
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Then it is not a massive flaws. You're clearly not into these anime. If battle shounen is all that you like, is not right to say another genre anime has a massive flaw.

There's a different between saying a show has massive flaws versus a show doesn't suit your taste. It's for a different audience, and you're not them.

The pace of this show would appeals more to slice of life and iyashikei. I have lots of doubts when you used the word groundbreaking. There are in fact groundbreaking shows that weren't high on your list.

You rated action higher than groundbreaking. Contradicting but understandable if that's what you like to watch O.o

i literally said the show not being interesting has nothing to do with not having much action, it's boring which is a massive flaw, same as not having any real emotional impact

i also like other SOL of life shows and given them higher rating than many action and fantasy series, and no me Liking action and battle shounen more isn't the reason why I don't like this
Dec 11, 2023 1:25 AM
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I don't think so after it finishes airing I'm pretty sure people will forget it easily.
Dec 11, 2023 1:45 AM

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I never rate series until completed so I'm undecided for the time being if this is a show I'll end up giving a 6/10 or 7/10 in the end. I hope it's one which remains closer to being a solid 7/10.

But either way, I wouldn't place it as my favorite or what I'd consider best of the season, which is The Apothecary Diaries, or of the year as a whole, which for me is between Tengoku Daimakyou and AI no Idenshi. I'd probably place it as third for the current autumn season. It may even, and likely will, make it into my Top 10 for the year, but at the same time I have a lot of 6/10s rating-wise for series this year.

How the hell would a 7/10 show make it into your top 10? Your rating system might be broken my friend
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How the hell would a 7/10 show make it into your top 10? Your rating system might be broken my friend


He said top 10 of the year

For me personally top 10 of the year worthy show would probably earn about a 7-8 minimum depending too... it's not that weird.

Now if it was top 10 of all time, THEN you would be right.
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OPGMitaki said:
If anyone criticises this Anime they are either stupid, or just a braindead peraon who can't appreciate anything except permanent fight scenes. Sousou No Frieren is easily the top contender of 2023 along with Oshi no Ko. And that is just an objective fact. But we cannot forget Jujutsu Kaisens amazing performance despite the situation at MAPPA, as well as the teary ending of Attack on Titan, the face of new generation Anime.

how can you talk about objectivity when you yourself vote 10 stars to Frieren for a mid-season and 1 to FMAB for 0 episodes watched.
your comment therefore has no credibility.

btw how can you vote for a show when it's not even finished.
I can't understand this hatred towards FMAB and I would even say this hatred towards anime in fact.

if you really like the world of anime, you will understand that basing it on votes makes no sense.

by giving FMAB 1 star you just fall into the category of haters and you miss an exceptional anime.

it doesn't matter if it's top 2 or top 500, FMAB remains an incredible anime
Dec 11, 2023 3:10 AM
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vador31 said:
OPGMitaki said:
If anyone criticises this Anime they are either stupid, or just a braindead peraon who can't appreciate anything except permanent fight scenes. Sousou No Frieren is easily the top contender of 2023 along with Oshi no Ko. And that is just an objective fact. But we cannot forget Jujutsu Kaisens amazing performance despite the situation at MAPPA, as well as the teary ending of Attack on Titan, the face of new generation Anime.

how can you talk about objectivity when you yourself vote 10 stars to Frieren for a mid-season and 1 to FMAB for 0 episodes watched.
your comment therefore has no credibility.

btw how can you vote for a show when it's not even finished.
I can't understand this hatred towards FMAB and I would even say this hatred towards anime in fact.

if you really like the world of anime, you will understand that basing it on votes makes no sense.

by giving FMAB 1 star you just fall into the category of haters and you miss an exceptional anime.

it doesn't matter if it's top 2 or top 500, FMAB remains an incredible anime

You're wayyyy too impulsive if you think I voted 1 on FMAB because I think it's bad... Honestly, try not to be so impulsive. And Though Frieren is one of the masterpieces of this year, I wouldn't put it as a 10 YET objectively. But if we get a 2nd season, or at least more content then it'll easily be so. And again, you should be able to tell if you just looked more that I do not hate FMAB. I just hate the community for being such biased sassy kids who grovel at the sight of their shrine not being at the top. Frieren is definitely not the best Anime of all time, neither is FMAB. But until the TOP Anime system gets changed we'll have to do what we can.
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OPGMitaki said:
vador31 said:

how can you talk about objectivity when you yourself vote 10 stars to Frieren for a mid-season and 1 to FMAB for 0 episodes watched.
your comment therefore has no credibility.

btw how can you vote for a show when it's not even finished.
I can't understand this hatred towards FMAB and I would even say this hatred towards anime in fact.

if you really like the world of anime, you will understand that basing it on votes makes no sense.

by giving FMAB 1 star you just fall into the category of haters and you miss an exceptional anime.

it doesn't matter if it's top 2 or top 500, FMAB remains an incredible anime

You're wayyyy too impulsive if you think I voted 1 on FMAB because I think it's bad... Honestly, try not to be so impulsive. And Though Frieren is one of the masterpieces of this year, I wouldn't put it as a 10 YET objectively. But if we get a 2nd season, or at least more content then it'll easily be so. And again, you should be able to tell if you just looked more that I do not hate FMAB. I just hate the community for being such biased sassy kids who grovel at the sight of their shrine not being at the top. Frieren is definitely not the best Anime of all time, neither is FMAB. But until the TOP Anime system gets changed we'll have to do what we can.

of course the ranking system on MAL is incorrect but what matters is your personal vote for others.
I look at a lot of lists of other users with different tastes to guide me on anime that I haven't seen yet and that they would have appreciated. and I deduce that based on personal votes.
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vador31 said:
OPGMitaki said:

You're wayyyy too impulsive if you think I voted 1 on FMAB because I think it's bad... Honestly, try not to be so impulsive. And Though Frieren is one of the masterpieces of this year, I wouldn't put it as a 10 YET objectively. But if we get a 2nd season, or at least more content then it'll easily be so. And again, you should be able to tell if you just looked more that I do not hate FMAB. I just hate the community for being such biased sassy kids who grovel at the sight of their shrine not being at the top. Frieren is definitely not the best Anime of all time, neither is FMAB. But until the TOP Anime system gets changed we'll have to do what we can.

of course the ranking system on MAL is incorrect but what matters is your personal vote for others.
I look at a lot of lists of other users with different tastes to guide me on anime that I haven't seen yet and that they would have appreciated. and I deduce that based on personal votes.

Did you just say this because you had no clear response to my response? Or did you end our discussion to start a new one? I too, am serious about seeing Anime as so much more than just a source of entertainment. In fact, I feel bad for people who see it as such.
Dec 11, 2023 8:46 AM
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@Drakebrand What's not good for you?
@Leon888

- Frieren and her current traveling companions don't offer different perspectives about life despite their varied backgrounds.
- For a fantasy world where there is a spell for anything and a mage has even been to heaven the worldbuilding feels half-baked.
- Nearly every side character is forgettable.
- Personally, I don't think the main cast character designs are all that unique.
- Because this is a story about after a Hero's Journey has already occurred, there isn't any buildup for a challenge Frieren must utilize all that she has learned for.
- An apprentice one-shots a dragon in less than five minutes by himself. I don't have a problem with dragons being killed but they're meant to be representations of something formidable and dangerous. Killing one so quickly serves to be antithetical to that.
- The apprentices don't have flaws they have minor inconveniences: Stark is a "coward" but fights courageously. Fern is a child prodigy but gets upset if she is offended by something.


None of my issues with the show are due to the animation quality, soundtrack, or art style it's all due to the characterization and worldbuilding.

All that said this show is definitely better than Mushoku Tensei.
Dec 11, 2023 9:42 AM
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It’s great
I wouldn’t say it’s the best but it’s definitely a competitor for top 3
Right now it’s so high because the haters haven’t showed up yet
Dec 11, 2023 10:08 AM
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frieren is a good series, but it can't pass fmab, it's doubtful that it even deserves rank 50
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@Leon888

- Frieren and her current traveling companions don't offer different perspectives about life despite their varied backgrounds.
- For a fantasy world where there is a spell for anything and a mage has even been to heaven the worldbuilding feels half-baked.
- Nearly every side character is forgettable.
- Personally, I don't think the main cast character designs are all that unique.
- Because this is a story about after a Hero's Journey has already occurred, there isn't any buildup for a challenge Frieren must utilize all that she has learned for.
- An apprentice one-shots a dragon in less than five minutes by himself. I don't have a problem with dragons being killed but they're meant to be representations of something formidable and dangerous. Killing one so quickly serves to be antithetical to that.
- The apprentices don't have flaws they have minor inconveniences: Stark is a "coward" but fights courageously. Fern is a child prodigy but gets upset if she is offended by something.


None of my issues with the show are due to the animation quality, soundtrack, or art style it's all due to the characterization and worldbuilding.

All that said this show is definitely better than Mushoku Tensei.
Drakebrand said:
- Frieren and her current traveling companions don't offer different perspectives about life despite their varied backgrounds.


Just in the last episode alone (14) :
-Yes Fern is immature, she's a teenager. Fern and Stark are teens learning about life and relationships, getting upset and fighting over unimportant things : youth perspective.
-Sein is an adult with more life experience, he provides a lot of guidance to Fern and Stark. From his adult perspective, some arguments between Fern and Stark is a privilege of the youth, mature people tend to avoid useless conflict.

-Frieren, despite being an ancient being, and a excellent mentor when it comes to combat and magic, doesn't understand the human perspective and their short lifespan. She's unable to teach Fern and Stark about relationships, life, death... She's not mature, just older.

In her flashback, an old 80+ year old Heither, explains how his mind haven't changed much since he was a child. He's just been pretending to be an adult. Frieren pats him on the head like a child, she still sees older humans as children from her perspective. And Heither, despite being an old man, appreciates.

Every grown adult have had that feeling : we're still children at heart. That's a mundane thought about life, anyone with a little life experience can relate.

This is just only one episode's theme, I'm not going to explain the whole show to you, because your points are just irrelevant. Like, since when an unique character design makes an interesting story...?
Everything you pointed out is surface level, face value, related to tropes/plot. Completely missing the themes.
I can tell you're not a mature person, maybe still young, although age doesn't always maturity, nothing wrong about that, but it's understandable that you're missing the whole point of the show.
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"This is the best anime!"
"No no no this is not the best anime, my favorite anime is the best anime and that's an objective fact!"
"This anime sucks, here's why - *starts nitpicking*!!"


Sigh...every time. Threads like this always devolve into pointless arguments.

Why don't you guys give it a rest and just enjoy the show? If not, then go back to whatever show you're watching instead of bumping this stupid thread which may or may not be a bait.
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"This is the best anime!"
"No no no this is not the best anime, my favorite anime is the best anime and that's an objective fact!"
"This anime sucks, here's why - *starts nitpicking*!!"


Sigh...every time. Threads like this always devolve into pointless arguments.

Why don't you guys give it a rest and just enjoy the show? If not, then go back to whatever show you're watching instead of bumping this stupid thread which may or may not be a bait.
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The title is clearly baiting / trolling to upset some users. I think OP knew what s/he was doing using top ranking statistics from MAL to make this thread. We just have to wait for a forum mod.

Could've rename to "what do like about frieren" to keep the posts relevant to the anime.
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Drakebrand said:
- Frieren and her current traveling companions don't offer different perspectives about life despite their varied backgrounds.


Just in the last episode alone (14) :
-Yes Fern is immature, she's a teenager. Fern and Stark are teens learning about life and relationships, getting upset and fighting over unimportant things : youth perspective.
-Sein is an adult with more life experience, he provides a lot of guidance to Fern and Stark. From his adult perspective, some arguments between Fern and Stark is a privilege of the youth, mature people tend to avoid useless conflict.

-Frieren, despite being an ancient being, and a excellent mentor when it comes to combat and magic, doesn't understand the human perspective and their short lifespan. She's unable to teach Fern and Stark about relationships, life, death... She's not mature, just older.

In her flashback, an old 80+ year old Heither, explains how his mind haven't changed much since he was a child. He's just been pretending to be an adult. Frieren pats him on the head like a child, she still sees older humans as children from her perspective. And Heither, despite being an old man, appreciates.

Every grown adult have had that feeling : we're still children at heart. That's a mundane thought about life, anyone with a little life experience can relate.

This is just only one episode's theme, I'm not going to explain the whole show to you, because your points are just irrelevant. Like, since when an unique character design makes an interesting story...?
Everything you pointed out is surface level, face value, related to tropes/plot. Completely missing the themes.
I can tell you're not a mature person, maybe still young, although age doesn't always maturity, nothing wrong about that, but it's understandable that you're missing the whole point of the show.
@Radical_Orion

"Everything you pointed out is surface level, face value, related to tropes/plot. Completely missing the themes.
I can tell you're not a mature person, maybe still young, although age doesn't always maturity, nothing wrong about that, but it's understandable that you're missing the whole point of the show."

I quite literally don't have to read anything else you say cause it's pretty obvious you just wanted to insult me because I have a different opinion about the show than you.

I'll do you the courtesy of giving you a little credit and tell you that I had not seen episode 14 at the time of my reply to Leon.
Aside from that, stop picking fights.
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@Badonkers what would best of all time be for you? Mine is Gurren Lagann, this is now nr. 2.

Also if you say FMAB you're wrong. Any other anime is valid, just not that one. it's well known it only in the top 50 because of bots.

It only got into the top 50, years after it's was released as well.
@GynderDK lmao fmab might not be the best anime but it's easily superior to Frieren.
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fern wouldnt like u

I'll make her like me 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶

she's a few thousand years old, there's nothing you can do, she's upper:)
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@Radical_Orion

"Everything you pointed out is surface level, face value, related to tropes/plot. Completely missing the themes.
I can tell you're not a mature person, maybe still young, although age doesn't always maturity, nothing wrong about that, but it's understandable that you're missing the whole point of the show."

I quite literally don't have to read anything else you say cause it's pretty obvious you just wanted to insult me because I have a different opinion about the show than you.

I'll do you the courtesy of giving you a little credit and tell you that I had not seen episode 14 at the time of my reply to Leon.
Aside from that, stop picking fights.
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I quite literally don't have to read anything else you say cause it's pretty obvious you just wanted to insult me because I have a different opinion about the show than you.


1- It's not an insult, it's perfectly ok to be young, it's ok to lack maturity about certain things, especially about themes like aging and death. You become more mature when you understand that.

2- You just don't have a proper argument to back up your take about "character not offering different perspectives" since I easily provided it. So your only possible answer is "I literally don't have to read anything else you say". It doesn't matter, my point of view is also for other people passing by this thread :)

Episode 14 was just an example, because each episode has its own themes and character's perspective.
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