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Jun 12, 2023 6:20 PM
#1
| I will not mince my words, the interest stack title detector to sort personal from puplic stacks is utter CRAP!! 1) Not every stack that has "My" or "I" in the title is a personal stack 2) People get away with spamming multiple identical personal stacks by just changing the name of their stack! Cuz guess what? Changing the title does not change the content of the stacks There've been tons of great updates on MAL, but i'm sorry, this one does not work in the slightest What was suppost to help the making and searching of interest stacks a more plesant experience has instead made it the exact opposite The interest stacks themselves are proof of it I've looked at new interest stacks almost daily ever since the feature was added, and ever since this title update, the amount of spam stacks has increased while the amount of genuine stacks people want to share with the community has decreased, i kid you not I'm sure this isn't the only factor, but while the spammers just name their stacks "best of 2023" insread of "my fav 2023 anime", people who genuinly want to share something and put some care into making stacks have to get frustrated over a bot telling them what titles they can/can't use There has to be a better way to combat spamming |
Jun 12, 2023 6:33 PM
#2
| I was also forced to change the titles of two of my stacks that were already public for half a year or else it wouldn't let me edit them lol. Now they have worse titles than before, good job MAL. Imagine someone sat down and thought this was a good idea and then someone else was paid to code this while at the same time the rest of the website is a complete trainwreck. Can't make this shit up. |
Jun 12, 2023 7:56 PM
#3
| I have no idea what you're talking about. Can you share more information on this update? |
| その目だれの目? |
Jun 12, 2023 10:43 PM
#4
Lucifrost said: I have no idea what you're talking about. Can you share more information on this update? You can't publish stacks with "I", "My", "Top" and "Best" in the title and it doesn't matter if those stacks are legitimate or not. It's just a lazy filter that can easily be bypassed. |
ateksJun 13, 2023 5:34 AM
Jun 13, 2023 4:35 AM
#5
Lucifrost said: I have no idea what you're talking about. Can you share more information on this update? For example, this stack https://myanimelist.net/stacks/3942 is very obviously not a personal stack (i mean FFS i evan ask people to contribute to adding anime to it), but because the title is "I Love Neko" with the new update i can't edit it without unlisting it or changing the title, it's fucking ridiculous |
Jun 13, 2023 7:46 AM
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Jun 13, 2023 7:56 AM
#7
IridescentJaune said: We just gotta be more creative and impersonal with the titles, I guess... 😅 That is not my point, my point is the system doesn't work, it in fact has had the opposite effect |
Jun 13, 2023 8:21 AM
#8
ateks said: "Manga that has sold a lot of copies" doesn't quite roll off the tongue as well as "top sellers." Perhaps we should turn to the site's official stacks for inspiration.Lucifrost said: You can't publish stacks with "I", "My", "Top" and "Best" in the title and it doesn't matter if those stacks are legitimate or not. It's just a lazy filter that can easily be bypassed.I have no idea what you're talking about. Can you share more information on this update? Seiun Award (Best Comic) Mainichi Film Award (Best Animation Film) Japan Academy Film Prize (Best Animation of the Year) |
| その目だれの目? |
Jun 13, 2023 8:29 AM
#9
Lucifrost said: ateks said: "Manga that has sold a lot of copies" doesn't quite roll off the tongue as well as "top sellers." Perhaps we should turn to the site's official stacks for inspiration.Lucifrost said: I have no idea what you're talking about. Can you share more information on this update? Seiun Award (Best Comic) Mainichi Film Award (Best Animation Film) Japan Academy Film Prize (Best Animation of the Year) Of course the guidelines don't apply to the mods. Just like Kineta's stack which is definitely not a personal ranking and does definitely not violate the guidelines. |
Jun 13, 2023 8:58 AM
#10
ateks said: Lucifrost said: ateks said: Lucifrost said: You can't publish stacks with "I", "My", "Top" and "Best" in the title and it doesn't matter if those stacks are legitimate or not. It's just a lazy filter that can easily be bypassed.I have no idea what you're talking about. Can you share more information on this update? Seiun Award (Best Comic) Mainichi Film Award (Best Animation Film) Japan Academy Film Prize (Best Animation of the Year) Of course the guidelines don't apply to the mods. Just like Kineta's stack which is definitely not a personal ranking and does definitely not violate the guidelines. The one you linked isn't Kineta's personal stack, it was a competition, and "You Should Read This Manga" was the title of said competition, so each manga was added by a different user But yeah, i have seen some mods with that attitude of "rules for thee not for me" 😿 |
Jun 15, 2023 12:46 PM
#11
| Update: You don't even need to change the title to override this update, just dontusespaces |
Jun 20, 2023 1:57 AM
#12
DigiCat said: ateks said: Lucifrost said: ateks said: "Manga that has sold a lot of copies" doesn't quite roll off the tongue as well as "top sellers." Perhaps we should turn to the site's official stacks for inspiration.Lucifrost said: You can't publish stacks with "I", "My", "Top" and "Best" in the title and it doesn't matter if those stacks are legitimate or not. It's just a lazy filter that can easily be bypassed.I have no idea what you're talking about. Can you share more information on this update? Seiun Award (Best Comic) Mainichi Film Award (Best Animation Film) Japan Academy Film Prize (Best Animation of the Year) Of course the guidelines don't apply to the mods. Just like Kineta's stack which is definitely not a personal ranking and does definitely not violate the guidelines. The one you linked isn't Kineta's personal stack, it was a competition, and "You Should Read This Manga" was the title of said competition, so each manga was added by a different user But yeah, i have seen some mods with that attitude of "rules for thee not for me" 😿 It's still personal recommendations and doesn't give any reasons as to why read something so it violates the guidelines. It's even listed as example how a public stack should not look like. |
Jul 20, 2023 3:16 PM
#13
| I just remembered this thread... The only way I can republish my Please Take My Brother Away Watch Order Guide stack to public is if I change the title to Ani ni Tsukeru Kusuri wa Nai! Watch Order Guide or Ani ni Tsukeru Kusuri wa Nai! (Please Take My Brother Away) Watch Order Guide or something else. I already unlisted it as I made some edits. I've been trying to make it public again but the publish button is grayed out and it won't let me publish. There's also this message: This stack should be set to Unlisted, or written as an article Your stack appears to be based only on your personal opinion. Unlisted interest stacks are best suited for personal stacks, such as your favorite romance or isekai anime. Public interest stacks should provide information beyond your personal opinion, which helps other members discover new titles that align with their interests, not only yours. For more information, please read the Interest Stack Guidelines. I haven't encountered this message in my other stacks. Just this one. It's annoying. So how can I even share it to public once I improve my article stack (after watching all the entries)? Personal opinion my ass! |
Jul 20, 2023 3:21 PM
#14
IridescentJaune said: The only way I can republish my Please Take My Brother Away Watch Order Guide stack to public is if I change the title to Ani ni Tsukeru Kusuri wa Nai! Watch Order Guide or Ani ni Tsukeru Kusuri wa Nai! (Please Take My Brother Away) Watch Order Guide or something else. LMFAO That is literally the title of the anime WTF 😭😭😭 |
Jul 20, 2023 3:24 PM
#15
| @IridescentJaune I think to count as an article stack it needs a certain amount of characters per entry description. Could try to stretch the description you already have or add some whitespace characters maybe that should also work. |
Jul 20, 2023 3:35 PM
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ateks said: @IridescentJaune I think to count as an article stack it needs a certain amount of characters per entry description. Could try to stretch the description you already have or add some whitespace characters maybe that should also work. Alright. I'll try that some time. For now, I guess I'm kinda fine setting it as unlisted as I've yet to finish the franchise. But it's still so annoying having to encounter that. I mean no matter how much I improve it as an article stack I won't be able to publish it to public with that same title as the publish button is grayed out. I'll probably have to really change the title but it's already too long. Argh! P.S. There are a lot of other watch order guides that aren't even article stacks that are still public. Maybe they should look at those first instead of preventing some users from publishing by graying out the publish button. P.P.S. Come on, I ain't even a troll like Ishinashi. They should do that to that user's interest stacks instead. |
IridescentJauneJul 20, 2023 3:39 PM
Jul 20, 2023 3:44 PM
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Jul 20, 2023 4:21 PM
#18
IridescentJaune said: I don't really want to change the title You can get around it by doing this "Please-Take-My-Brother-Away Watch Order Guide" |
Jul 20, 2023 4:26 PM
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DigiCat said: IridescentJaune said: I don't really want to change the title You can get around it by doing this "Please-Take-My-Brother-Away Watch Order Guide" Okay. LOL. 😭 DigiCat said: IridescentJaune said: We just gotta be more creative and impersonal with the titles, I guess... 😅 That is not my point, my point is the system doesn't work, it in fact has had the opposite effect I was trying to lighten the mood back then. But now I totally get you! It's just so annoying. |
Jul 21, 2023 3:17 AM
#20
ateks said: @IridescentJaune I think to count as an article stack it needs a certain amount of characters per entry description. Could try to stretch the description you already have or add some whitespace characters maybe that should also work. IridescentJaune said: But it's still so annoying having to encounter that. I mean no matter how much I improve it as an article stack I won't be able to publish it to public with that same title as the publish button is grayed out In theory this should work, but it seems it's still not possible (bug?). I mentioned this 4 months ago here but nothing has changed since then. |
Jul 21, 2023 3:20 AM
#21
| @firefractal Could the staff please address the problems with the automatic title detection system? 1) If the system gives you the message "This stack should be set to Unlisted, or written as an article" then it seems to be impossible to write it as an article. Even if you have 10k characters for each item in the stack it won't let you set it to public. This seems to be a bug. What's the character requirement for article descriptions supposed to be? 2) The system is inconsistent and can't handle exceptions. -- Why are words like "top" or "beginner" supposed to be a problem but things like "beginners" (plural) / "best" / "must watch" / "must read" / "you should" are fine and won't be detected as "stack with personal opinion"? In the rules you explicitly state the example of "must watch romance" as a stack based on personal opinion, yet the system doesn't detect "must watch". -- Would it be possible to have mods approve stacks as exceptions? Not every stack with a detected word in the title is based on personal opinion. They can be purely factual for example watching order guides that have one of these words in the title of the anime, top lists (like awards), or a relationship dynamic that was decided by the mangaka (top x top). If that's not possible then ambiguous words should be removed from the automatic detection. 3) This is somewhat related, when will the search feature for stacks be improved? The current search only checks for exact string matches. It's really hard to find specific interest stacks if the creator didn't write exactly what you're searching for. |
Jul 21, 2023 9:02 AM
#22
I tried adding my really long post to my ZUTOMAYO's Music Video Universe stack and found out that the limit for the description for interest stacks is 10,000 characters. So I just added the link to that thread in my stack instead. "The stack description must be 10000 characters or less." Luna said: Not every stack with a detected word in the title is based on personal opinion. THIS!!! Luna said: This is somewhat related, when will the search feature for stacks be improved? The current search only checks for exact string matches. It's really hard to find specific interest stacks if the creator didn't write exactly what you're searching for. Also this!!! That's why I add tags for better searchability. |
Jul 21, 2023 11:13 AM
#23
| @Luna Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I'll discuss this with the rest of the team and will get back to you once we've evaluated the possible solutions. |
Jul 21, 2023 10:08 PM
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ateks said: Whaaat. It sounds dumb as heck, but it's an actual feature, eh? The worst thing is that such automatic filter doesn't really help much with fighting against spammers or people who are creating interest stacks breaking the rules.You can't publish stacks with "I", "My", "Top" and "Best" in the title and it doesn't matter if those stacks are legitimate or not. It's just a lazy filter that can easily be bypassed. Like @DigiCat mentioned earlier, it rather prevent people who would like to share something cool from doing so, due to not being allowed to include very common words in their interest stacks. Stuff like, dunno, stacks called "My Hero Academia (anime)" or "Best seinen manga (Shogakukan Manga Awards)", would be automatically prevented from being posted, forcing their authors to think of a different title somehow (in the former it's possible to just go with the Japanese title, but for the latter example - not really, since it's a category's name), risking it sounding unprofessional or goofy. Or even worse: to try to bypass the filter somehow, which is the worst that can happen when fighting with people breaking the rules. Implementing a filter that does not have visible effects in decreasing the intensity of trolls and spammers' work, but rather decreases the comfort of users that actually want to share something and follow the rules, is simply upsetting. More importantly, what it might succeed in is making people actually uninterested in using the feature, both in active (creator) or passive (viewer) way. Not having any news regarding this rather big change is another negative thing about this feature. DigiCat said: Ouch. 😐 "Wonderful" functionality, lol. If it can be bypassed like this, then this "update" reminds me more of an unnecessary code addition to a website, for the sake of bloating it up.IridescentJaune said: I don't really want to change the title You can get around it by doing this "Please-Take-My-Brother-Away Watch Order Guide" |
Jul 22, 2023 1:07 PM
#25
| I just realized since my stack entitled "Please Take My Brother Away Watch Order Guide" has the word 'My' in the title the publish button is automatically grayed out. The system won't let me share it to public because of that word. The system just detects that word and grays out the publish button even though that word is literally part of that anime's English title. 🤦 Even if I change the title to Ani ni Tsukeru Kusuri wa Nai! (Please Take My Brother Away) Watch Order Guide or Please Take My Brother Away (Ani ni Tsukeru Kusuri wa Nai!) Watch Order Guide, the system won't let me publish to public because of the word 'my'. It's so ridiculous. HAHA. I tried removing 'my' in the title and I could publish normally again. DigiCat said: Not every stack that has "My" or "I" in the title is a personal stack ateks said: You can't publish stacks with "I", "My", "Top" and "Best" in the title and it doesn't matter if those stacks are legitimate or not. It's just a lazy filter that can easily be bypassed. I forgot about this as I don't have stacks with any of those in the titles besides my Please Take My Brother Away Watch Order Guide. LOL. It used to be public. Probably because I created that stack prior to the implementation of the filter. Having a filter is fine but they should've considered what if any of those words in their filter could be part of anime or manga titles. Maybe they should still check stacks caught by the filter and threat those as "pending or unapproved" for sharing to public; some can be set again to public and others just unlisted. I feel kinda dumb that I only realized now that it was because of 'my' in the title. I never really had any problems with stack titles before. HAHA. 😑 I almost thought it was gaussian_'s doing. LOL. Edit: And I even mentioned it before in Error when editing stack (Feb 2, 4:50 AM)! Ahhhh! LOL. IridescentJaune said: Probably some other keywords to look out for are "best", "favorite" and "my". I totally forgot! |
IridescentJauneJul 22, 2023 1:24 PM
Jul 22, 2023 1:22 PM
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IridescentJaune said: Maybe they should still check stacks caught by the filter and threat those as "pending or unapproved" for sharing to public Oh fuck no! have you seen how long the "pending for approval" manga and anime list is?? I have a manga entry that been pending for approval for over a year!! |
Jul 22, 2023 1:31 PM
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DigiCat said: IridescentJaune said: Maybe they should still check stacks caught by the filter and threat those as "pending or unapproved" for sharing to public Oh fuck no! have you seen how long the "pending for approval" manga and anime list is?? I have a manga entry that been pending for approval for over a year!! Yeah, I have seen as I do submit stuff to the DB as well... What I meant by Maybe they should still check stacks caught by the filter and threat those as "pending or unapproved" for sharing to public; some can be set again to public and others just unlisted. is have those caught by the filter still be unlisted just like now but the mods should check if they can set anything to public again. Anyways, scratch that suggestion then... |
Jul 22, 2023 4:02 PM
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IridescentJaune said: Maybe they should still check stacks caught by the filter and threat those as "pending or unapproved" for sharing to public; some can be set again to public and others just unlisted. Or they just allow everything to be public because who the fuck are they doing that for anyway? The default setting is sort by restacks and low quality stacks will almost never be visible so who gives a fuck? There isn't even a proper search function a year after release so you will never see any of these stacks. The only reason to unlist stacks is for ego of power tripping mods. They don't even know their own guidelines as they've already proven many times. They should just remove the guidelines and the unlisted status altogether, it's making interest stacks worse and not better. |
Jul 22, 2023 4:20 PM
#29
ateks said: IridescentJaune said: Maybe they should still check stacks caught by the filter and threat those as "pending or unapproved" for sharing to public; some can be set again to public and others just unlisted. Or they just allow everything to be public because who the fuck are they doing that for anyway? The default setting is sort by restacks and low quality stacks will almost never be visible so who gives a fuck? There isn't even a proper search function a year after release so you will never see any of these stacks. The only reason to unlist stacks is for ego of power tripping mods. They don't even know their own guidelines as they've already proven many times. They should just remove the guidelines and the unlisted status altogether, it's making interest stacks worse and not better. Kinda agree... the very system they made to avoid junk stacks has just made more junk stacks appear cuz people get sick of the guidlene's restrictions and so don't want to bother making quality stacks Nothing wrong with having an ulisted button, sometimes people do want to make personal stacks, i have stacks to keep track of anime watching challenges and they are of no use to anyone but me, but forcefully unlisting stacks people genuinely want to share is not fair, and like you said, you can sort by restack, interesting stacks will almost always get more traction than the generic "my 20xx watchlist" |
Jul 23, 2023 1:28 AM
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| It'd be nice if MAL's Interest Stack feature is kinda similar to Anime-Planet's Custom List... But then again I don't think they will remove the unlisted feature here and just let anyone share to public. They even have a 50 entries limit per stack which just leads to more stacks instead of having let's say a guide in just one stack. Limit here, limit there... Ugh! They should just omit the limit for interest stack entries, inbox, watched topics, etc. or just increase the limit if they won't remove. In Anime-Planet, anyone can make custom lists, there's no limit; BBCode is also enabled for descriptions (we're still waiting for that feature as promised: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2006510). I don't think they unlist custom lists unless they're spam. They even have the comments section open and I have yet to read troll comments on custom lists there or see spam/troll lists. AP's custom lists also easily show up on search engines when you look up for guides and whatnot. I feel like I'm just repeating myself over and over (Just check https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2098922/message=&msgid=69367913#msg69367913 for more (LOL)). |
Jul 23, 2023 1:38 AM
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IridescentJaune said: They even have the comments section open and Desperately want this for stacks and reviews! |
Jul 23, 2023 2:18 AM
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Jul 23, 2023 3:11 AM
#33
IridescentJaune said: I tried adding my really long post to my ZUTOMAYO's Music Video Universe stack and found out that the limit for the description for interest stacks is 10,000 characters. So I just added the link to that thread in my stack instead. "The stack description must be 10000 characters or less." Ah interesting, I didn't check if I could add more than 10k characters. So basically even if you have the maximum amount of characters, it won't let you set the stack to public. IridescentJaune said: Also this!!! That's why I add tags for better searchability. Me too, but I'd need to add a lot more combinations to make it better and the description is already quite bloated for some of my stacks because of the tags. A better search feature would really help here. IridescentJaune said: They even have a 50 entries limit per stack which just leads to more stacks instead of having let's say a guide in just one stack. Limit here, limit there... Ugh! They should just omit the limit for interest stack entries, inbox, watched topics, etc. or just increase the limit if they won't remove. THIS. The 50 entries limit per stack is terrible. Creating part 2, 3, 4, ... is annoying. It makes things more messy and I'm pretty sure other people would also prefer to just restack ONE stack instead of 3+ stacks. I had so many more ideas for stacks but I already know they would go way over the 50 entries limit, so I decided to not even bother. The limit discourages people from creating more stacks or encourages them to create several parts about the same thing, making everything more messy. I don't see a reason why the limit is good. |
Jul 23, 2023 6:51 AM
#34
| I guess they implemented the unlisted feature because they want to prevent "duplicate" stacks (like for watch order guides and so on) from appearing in the Interest Stacks tab/page of anime/manga pages (example: https://myanimelist.net/anime/21/One_Piece/stacks). Maybe if they have tabs/pages similar to Chiaki's Watch Order and Sequel Locator, Shikimori's Related Anime (example: Straight / Chronology / Franchise) or AniDB's Relation Graph (example: https://anidb.net/anime/411/relation/graph) then there'll be less users who will make such guides hence less duplicates. Also, the stacks shown on anime/manga pages should be the 'Most Restacked' instead of the 'Recently Added' or 'Author Update' so "low quality" stacks as mentioned by users above will be buried. Yeah, the unlist feature should just be an option same with the 'Notes' on our lists. I don't know why they always choose to make such features as the default... (Linking my previous suggestions again here: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2098922/message=&msgid=69367913#msg69367913 LOL.) |
Jul 23, 2023 6:59 AM
#35
Luna said: Ah interesting, I didn't check if I could add more than 10k characters. So basically even if you have the maximum amount of characters, it won't let you set the stack to public. Yeah. Even if I had 10k characters the publish button is still grayed out because I have the word 'my' in my stack's title. It doesn't matter if our stacks are articles stacks. Haha. Imagine the effort you pour in creating a stack only to have it set to unlisted. ¡Ay, caramba! 😑🤦 Luna said: A better search feature would really help here. TOTALLY AGREE! Been suggesting that feature too... |
Jul 23, 2023 8:00 AM
#36
Luna said: IridescentJaune said: They even have a 50 entries limit per stack which just leads to more stacks instead of having let's say a guide in just one stack. Limit here, limit there... Ugh! They should just omit the limit for interest stack entries, inbox, watched topics, etc. or just increase the limit if they won't remove. THIS. The 50 entries limit per stack is terrible. Creating part 2, 3, 4, ... is annoying. It makes things more messy and I'm pretty sure other people would also prefer to just restack ONE stack instead of 3+ stacks. I had so many more ideas for stacks but I already know they would go way over the 50 entries limit, so I decided to not even bother. The limit discourages people from creating more stacks or encourages them to create several parts about the same thing, making everything more messy. I don't see a reason why the limit is good. I don't like making part 2, 3 and so on for my guides. I hate having to move one entry from one stack to another when I'm sorting the chronology for my guides. Sometimes there'll be new entries added to the DB but are actually older in chronology so I'd have to rearrange everything and move titles from one stack to another, same goes for titles I've miss before because they've a different name from their franchise. I'm currently editing my stacks and getting annoyed at rearranging them. If there's no entry limit then it'd be much easier to rearrange everything. |
Jul 31, 2023 8:38 PM
#37
IridescentJaune said: I don't really want to change the title. So I finally decided to just change the title to Romaji even though it'd be so much easier to find with the English title. Please Take My Brother Away Watch Order ➡️ Ani ni Tsukeru Kusuri wa Nai! Watch Order Guide The title is ridiculously long either way. LOL. P.S. Sorry for the consecutive posts. Haha. |
Sep 21, 2023 7:20 PM
#38
| Back here again because of the annoying and limiting rule. Now, I can't set My Melody Watch Order Guide to public. Arrghh... So I had to omit 'My' again but My Melody is the character/anime's name! 😩 Hmm, I wonder if they already discussed this with the rest of the team and "evaluated the possible solutions"??? |
Sep 21, 2023 10:49 PM
#39
Reply to IridescentJaune
Back here again because of the annoying and limiting rule. Now, I can't set My Melody Watch Order Guide to public. Arrghh... So I had to omit 'My' again but My Melody is the character/anime's name! 😩
Hmm, I wonder if they already discussed this with the rest of the team and "evaluated the possible solutions"???
Hmm, I wonder if they already discussed this with the rest of the team and "evaluated the possible solutions"???
| @IridescentJaune My Melody be smashing her computer right now xD xD xD WTF?!?!?!?!!!?!??!?!?!?!?!!?!!!???!?!!!! |
Sep 22, 2023 12:53 AM
#40
Reply to IridescentJaune
Back here again because of the annoying and limiting rule. Now, I can't set My Melody Watch Order Guide to public. Arrghh... So I had to omit 'My' again but My Melody is the character/anime's name! 😩
Hmm, I wonder if they already discussed this with the rest of the team and "evaluated the possible solutions"???
Hmm, I wonder if they already discussed this with the rest of the team and "evaluated the possible solutions"???
| @IridescentJaune What a mess. This autofilter basically prevents from using some official names, no matter if they are the original Japanese ones or English variants, when making an interest stack. At least it treats equally popular as well as less popular entries, though I suppose it ain't making the whole situation any better. I don't want to be a pessimist, but I have a weird feeling that there might not be any changes in this subject. Not in the nearest future. So, if I were, I'd just think about alternative names. Or go a roundabout way, with swapping "y" in "My" with another character (of course, I'm not encouraging people to use such methods as a form of getting around the rules blah blah; but so far, I've seen only fair users having problems with that system). Going back to what I said earlier, using an alternative like, in example, small capital letter: ʏ Unicode for it is U+028F Your interest stack's title would look like the following: Mʏ Melody Watch Order Guide Sure, it will look goofy a little, and definitely won't be a correct way to writing down My Melody's title, but it's worth giving it a try. Perhaps it won't trigger the filter. |
Sep 22, 2023 2:15 AM
#41
Sep 22, 2023 2:26 AM
#42
| I would also like to see some feedback on this, if there has been any discussion about possible solutions, what they could be, when the bug will be fixed, or just some kind of status update that adresses the points I and others made in this thread. |
Sep 22, 2023 1:44 PM
#43
Reply to Adnash
@IridescentJaune What a mess. This autofilter basically prevents from using some official names, no matter if they are the original Japanese ones or English variants, when making an interest stack. At least it treats equally popular as well as less popular entries, though I suppose it ain't making the whole situation any better.
I don't want to be a pessimist, but I have a weird feeling that there might not be any changes in this subject. Not in the nearest future. So, if I were, I'd just think about alternative names. Or go a roundabout way, with swapping "y" in "My" with another character (of course, I'm not encouraging people to use such methods as a form of getting around the rules blah blah; but so far, I've seen only fair users having problems with that system).
Going back to what I said earlier, using an alternative like, in example, small capital letter:
Unicode for it is
Your interest stack's title would look like the following: Mʏ Melody Watch Order Guide
Sure, it will look goofy a little, and definitely won't be a correct way to writing down My Melody's title, but it's worth giving it a try. Perhaps it won't trigger the filter.
I don't want to be a pessimist, but I have a weird feeling that there might not be any changes in this subject. Not in the nearest future. So, if I were, I'd just think about alternative names. Or go a roundabout way, with swapping "y" in "My" with another character (of course, I'm not encouraging people to use such methods as a form of getting around the rules blah blah; but so far, I've seen only fair users having problems with that system).
Going back to what I said earlier, using an alternative like, in example, small capital letter:
ʏ
Unicode for it is
U+028F
Your interest stack's title would look like the following: Mʏ Melody Watch Order Guide
Sure, it will look goofy a little, and definitely won't be a correct way to writing down My Melody's title, but it's worth giving it a try. Perhaps it won't trigger the filter.
| @Adnash I haven't thought of using unicode before... Thanks for the suggestion/workaround! It worked: Mʏ Melody Watch Order Guide. It looks like my stack is the only one with 'Mʏ' (https://myanimelist.net/stacks/search?q=Mʏ) in the title so far; I don't intend to use 'ʏ' every time as a workaround for 'My', though. I would've use an alternative name for my stack but My Melody's nickname is My Melo and using Kanji (or other languages) for titles/descriptions is against the interest stack guidelines. Your suggestion was better than what I thought: My_Melody, My.Melody, M.y Melody, etc. P.S. I tired searching for 'Mʏ Melody' and Google gave me about 21,700 results whereas 'My Melody' gave me about 311,000,000 results. |
Sep 22, 2023 8:02 PM
#44
Reply to IridescentJaune
Back here again because of the annoying and limiting rule. Now, I can't set My Melody Watch Order Guide to public. Arrghh... So I had to omit 'My' again but My Melody is the character/anime's name! 😩
Hmm, I wonder if they already discussed this with the rest of the team and "evaluated the possible solutions"???
Hmm, I wonder if they already discussed this with the rest of the team and "evaluated the possible solutions"???
| @IridescentJaune M¥ Anime List must be protesting the character's name. Melody doesn't belong to you! |
| その目だれの目? |
Sep 23, 2023 4:15 AM
#45
Reply to IridescentJaune
@Adnash I haven't thought of using unicode before... Thanks for the suggestion/workaround! It worked: Mʏ Melody Watch Order Guide. It looks like my stack is the only one with 'Mʏ' (https://myanimelist.net/stacks/search?q=Mʏ) in the title so far; I don't intend to use 'ʏ' every time as a workaround for 'My', though.
I would've use an alternative name for my stack but My Melody's nickname is My Melo and using Kanji (or other languages) for titles/descriptions is against the interest stack guidelines. Your suggestion was better than what I thought: My_Melody, My.Melody, M.y Melody, etc.
P.S. I tired searching for 'Mʏ Melody' and Google gave me about 21,700 results whereas 'My Melody' gave me about 311,000,000 results.
I would've use an alternative name for my stack but My Melody's nickname is My Melo and using Kanji (or other languages) for titles/descriptions is against the interest stack guidelines. Your suggestion was better than what I thought: My_Melody, My.Melody, M.y Melody, etc.
P.S. I tired searching for 'Mʏ Melody' and Google gave me about 21,700 results whereas 'My Melody' gave me about 311,000,000 results.
| @IridescentJaune I'm glad that you liked it! Yes, it can result in visually improving your interest stack. However, I really hope this autofilter gets fixed and really soon. Not only it causes problems to people using Interest Stacks functionality as intended, but also some alternatives, even if they look okay at first glance, may have negative consequences towards the whole stack. In example, when it comes to this stack's visibility in the various search engines. IridescentJaune said: Yeah, that's the biggest con of this method. I treat it as a temporary solution to make the affected stack look rather alright, until the autofilter gets improved. I really, really have fingers crossed for it to be fixed soon. Users that are negatively affected the most by it are those who are fair and just want to make their interest stacks, ergo to use this community option as intended.P.S. I tired searching for 'Mʏ Melody' and Google gave me about 21,700 results whereas 'My Melody' gave me about 311,000,000 results. I don't think actual trolls care about it. Look at that spamming incident from not that long ago. Basically, it was a troll or trolls creating random interest stacks and naming all of them as "h.etero". It's been a while since I saw any of those stacks last time, but from what I remember, there was no autofilter in action and they had to be removed manually by mods. So in short, if you want to follow the rules, you need to be prepared to encounter more problems than a troll trying to do what Internet trolls usually do. |
Sep 23, 2023 5:45 AM
#46
Reply to Luna
I would also like to see some feedback on this, if there has been any discussion about possible solutions, what they could be, when the bug will be fixed, or just some kind of status update that adresses the points I and others made in this thread.
| @Luna I hope they get back to this thread. But I'm not so sure with "will get back to YOU once we've evaluated the possible solutions"... Perhaps they'll get back to you via PM and not to everyone in this thread? LOL. |
Sep 24, 2023 1:30 AM
#47
Reply to IridescentJaune
@Luna I hope they get back to this thread. But I'm not so sure with "will get back to YOU once we've evaluated the possible solutions"... Perhaps they'll get back to you via PM and not to everyone in this thread? LOL.
| @IridescentJaune I would assume it's in the thread since it's not some personal issue like some account related thing that should be discussed in private. The questions are more when or if something will change. With so many things going on, it can take really long until something gets changed if at all. Like there were so many other things promised for stacks like BBCode, character stacks etc. and that's also still not done. |
Sep 24, 2023 11:00 AM
#48
Reply to Adnash
@IridescentJaune I'm glad that you liked it! Yes, it can result in visually improving your interest stack. However, I really hope this autofilter gets fixed and really soon. Not only it causes problems to people using Interest Stacks functionality as intended, but also some alternatives, even if they look okay at first glance, may have negative consequences towards the whole stack. In example, when it comes to this stack's visibility in the various search engines.
I don't think actual trolls care about it. Look at that spamming incident from not that long ago. Basically, it was a troll or trolls creating random interest stacks and naming all of them as "h.etero". It's been a while since I saw any of those stacks last time, but from what I remember, there was no autofilter in action and they had to be removed manually by mods. So in short, if you want to follow the rules, you need to be prepared to encounter more problems than a troll trying to do what Internet trolls usually do.
IridescentJaune said:
P.S. I tired searching for 'Mʏ Melody' and Google gave me about 21,700 results whereas 'My Melody' gave me about 311,000,000 results.
Yeah, that's the biggest con of this method. I treat it as a temporary solution to make the affected stack look rather alright, until the autofilter gets improved. I really, really have fingers crossed for it to be fixed soon. Users that are negatively affected the most by it are those who are fair and just want to make their interest stacks, ergo to use this community option as intended.P.S. I tired searching for 'Mʏ Melody' and Google gave me about 21,700 results whereas 'My Melody' gave me about 311,000,000 results.
I don't think actual trolls care about it. Look at that spamming incident from not that long ago. Basically, it was a troll or trolls creating random interest stacks and naming all of them as "h.etero". It's been a while since I saw any of those stacks last time, but from what I remember, there was no autofilter in action and they had to be removed manually by mods. So in short, if you want to follow the rules, you need to be prepared to encounter more problems than a troll trying to do what Internet trolls usually do.
| @Adnash I appreciate the "band-aid solution" for the meantime even though it looks kinda odd. Mʏ Melody sure isn't happy about that. LOL. I'm very much aware of "INSANEnashi" (I'll just call him that) and his havoc. Maybe he got tired of making stacks as there's a bit more effort needed in making stacks. He's busy making more alt to copy and paste reviews and posts on various anime pages as well as messing with other people's profile pages and sending friend requests. Damn that spam filter they tested out when INSANEnashi was making all those stacks. I actually got caught by reporting him (I mentioned "h.etero" in the report because it was the name of the stacks!) I'll never forget that incident (and the mod in charge; I don't hold any grudges, though)! Imagine being banned instead of that dude or duddette! Ay, caramba! |
Sep 26, 2023 5:00 AM
#49
Reply to Luna
@IridescentJaune I would assume it's in the thread since it's not some personal issue like some account related thing that should be discussed in private. The questions are more when or if something will change. With so many things going on, it can take really long until something gets changed if at all. Like there were so many other things promised for stacks like BBCode, character stacks etc. and that's also still not done.
| @Luna Hi, I got your message but I couldn't reply as my inbox is full of my submission notifs/receipts (I've raised my concern about the limit before too and did get a response but it's up to the devs). I would've commented on your profile but it's closed. Anyways, I appreciate your message since you used to be a moderator. Actually, you were one of the mods (when you were still active) I first encountered ([Answered] Blog Post Character Limit) so it's always nice hearing from you. Plus, you also use stacks unlike the current ones who just unlist and even delete stacks left and right (see: Review mod abuse (Interest stack deleted)). Now that the Bunkasai is over and FAL is about to end (although there's another one) maybe they could address issues and bugs... Yeah, I'm still waiting for BBCode on stacks, character stacks, etc. Maybe they'll implement those after releasing the stats which they most likely patterned from anime.plus (anime.plus is still superior, though; even Anilist's stats looks better). LOL. |
Oct 12, 2023 8:17 PM
#50
| Back here for the nth time! Sorry! 😆 But I just noticed some new stacks with "Best" in their titles. I have nothing against those stacks. Just saying 'Mʏ Melody' is still not amused! 😂 She's asking when will her name 'My Melody' be allowed? 🤣 Oh, and the Shi siblings from Ani ni Tsukeru Kusuri wa Nai! or Please Take My Brother Away would also like a word. 🤣 |
IridescentJauneOct 12, 2023 8:22 PM
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