| If you don't support the industry why should your opinion matter, whether you like an anime or not it does not give authors and studios any revenue. It makes sense for authors to only listen to people that actually pay for their work |
| The funniest thing is when folks who are the loudest and the most toxic about certain franchises are usually those who never spent a penny on the series they get so emotional about. Series, if I may add, which is actually available for them to support this way or another in their countries, lol. You know, manga, merchandise, and that kind of stuff. Everyone can have their own opinion, of course. It's encouraged to have it, no matter how somebody reached a discussed work of art. But ranting about it in a really nasty way, and targeting people who worked on it, is pathetic. I mean actions like hateful comments written towards the source material's author or some of the anime adaptation's crew members is bad per se, no matter whether somebody supports the franchise or not, and in what way. |
AdnashJun 9, 2023 4:49 PM
Lil_D said: I have never pretended my, or anyones here opinion matters or affects the industry. But that wont stop me voicing my takeswhy should your opinion matter |
| Pirates are human beings too.. And smarter than those who blows their cash on something that's available for free. So being smarter their complains hold more ground.. |
 |
| Simple, because I can. Not that I would ever bother to complain to the author themselves. |
| This just in: you're not allowed to express an opinion on anything you do not directly pay for. Then again, if we did pay for it, you'd probably say "if you don't like it, don't buy it!" Damned if we do damned if we don't. |
| In the end, all girls are like the rose bride |
| they don't give a shit about what westerners say unless they happen to be on the committee. weak bait. |
| 馬鹿げた倫理 全部ガラクタで |
Lil_D said: Whether supported it legally or not, everybody can have their own opinions. Doesn't mean you can buy stuff of your shows, you can shit talk about the others. If you don't support the industry why should your opinion matter, whether you like an anime or not it does not give authors and studios any revenue. |
on 
Lil_D said: It makes sense for authors to only listen to people that actually pay for their work It makes sense for authors to listen to people who can give sensible advice on how to create better art/entertainment. Giving money to the industry doesn't magically make you better at that. |
mazuchiJun 10, 2023 1:34 AM
| If the anime didn't want me to complain about it, it should have done a better job at entertaining. |
 |
Lil_D said: If you don't support the industry why should your opinion matter, whether you like an anime or not it does not give authors and studios any revenue. It makes sense for authors to only listen to people that actually pay for their work I don't know where you get the idea that people who "pirate" it never pay for it too. There's a sensible middle ground between freeloading and letting intangible capital **** you in the ****. |
I think lists are fun to read so here's a list:
|
| Not true though. Revenue is one thing, but stuff like word of mouth marketing, etc. exists. Also if something is considered art, then it should be allowed to be critiqued from anyone. |
 |
| People critique it because they have an opinion about it as a piece of art, unless OP is saying anime is purely utilitarian with an economic value -- which no one truly thinks unless they're a desperate corporatist. This is very amusing, because media companies in traditional industries typically send reviewer and critics a preview so that the media could help disseminate the work. Imagine saying that these critics don't have a right to publish anything or that their opinions are worthless simply because they haven't purchased anything with cash. Unfortunately for you OP, that's not for you to decide. An opinion is worth something if someone out there relates to it. So it doesn't matter what ridiculous criteria you use to filter out information. Other people find it valuable. If someone writes something whether they support the industry or not, and someone else enjoyed that writing, then that has value. In fact, it would be almost objectively ridiculous if the same sentence is deemed to either have value or not depending on some other thing the author did, like paying some corporation. |
| My subjective reviews: katsureview.wordpress.com THE CHAT CLUB. |
| Let's Gooo another thread of explaining that anime is not accessible in every country part xxx Imagine not pirating anime in Poland when you have at max 50 titles available only in Netflix with Polish subs/dubs, Disney+ doesn't support Polish subs, Crunchyroll was supposed to do that in 2019 [here's where I from that -> https://pl.ign.com/anime/22015/news/crunchyroll-oficjalnie-trafi-do-polski?fbclid=IwAR0oF4eXlFzrfpTK77j4A_VqiUWzr5R1bmCWC3b9VhcwyPiHl-M-xGVWgz4 ] and CR is still not available in Polish language. @Lil_D so why would your opinion matter if you have the availability to watch anime in your native language without a single problem, I'd like to see you strugling to enjoy anime in your own native lang. |
| What a dumb and ret*rded this is. If it wasn't for piracy, anime wouldn't be popular as of now. |
 “Once you've been loved once and have loved once, you cannot forget it.” ― Natsume Takashi |
| Because I simply have the right to do so......... |
 |
| Common fallacy. Even enemies and opposition elevate the current status quo to new heights. |
 |
RentNoGirlfriend said: Companies look at sales number, which gives them an objective metric of how well a series is doing. They don’t care much about what people say on random anime forums.How does the industry know who paid for anime? People who pay usually engage in conversation with people who watch pirated stuff, and the two groups influence each others' opinions quite deeply. So on a practical level it doesn't make sense to make any distinction. |
| You can buy lossless digital music from your favorite Japanese artists on https://ototoy.jp/. The songs are all DRM-free and you can re-download your purchased albums as you wish. Show your support to your favorite artist if you can! ps. if you are looking for Japanese albums, you have to search it in Japanese (not romaji). Just copy and paste the name. For those who want to learn Japanese through anime Resources for learning the language |
RentNoGirlfriend said: [*]How is it morally worse?[*]Unless someone has the space and the money to buy physical copies of the shows they like, the overwhelming amount of money they spend on streaming platforms aren't going to the studios or the authors. This is why so many people consider legal streaming website morally worse than piracy. Please explain me how. imo, there's nothing worse than pirate streams which make money by stealing other people's work. This is why even fansub groups hate pirate sites. |
 |
| These are the days of miracle and wonder, this is the long distance call, the way the camera follows us in slow-mo, the way we look to us all, the way we look to a distant constellation that's dying in a corner of the sky. These are the days of miracle and wonder and BABY, DON'T CRY, DON'T CRY, DON'T CRY!  |
SgtBateManJun 10, 2023 8:34 AM
Help! I need somebody. Help! Not just anybody. Help! You know I need someone. Helpppppp!  |
katsucats said: People critique it because they have an opinion about it as a piece of art, unless OP is saying anime is purely utilitarian with an economic value -- which no one truly thinks unless they're a desperate corporatist. This is very amusing, because media companies in traditional industries typically send reviewer and critics a preview so that the media could help disseminate the work. Imagine saying that these critics don't have a right to publish anything or that their opinions are worthless simply because they haven't purchased anything with cash. Unfortunately for you OP, that's not for you to decide. An opinion is worth something if someone out there relates to it. So it doesn't matter what ridiculous criteria you use to filter out information. Other people find it valuable. If someone writes something whether they support the industry or not, and someone else enjoyed that writing, then that has value. In fact, it would be almost objectively ridiculous if the same sentence is deemed to either have value or not depending on some other thing the author did, like paying some corporation. Anime is a product and as such the main purpose of it for producers is for it to make money. So obviously it would make sense that producers would pander to people that are paying for anime and not care about what pirate users would think about it. Media companies sending free copies to critics is not the same as pirate sites stealing the content. If you get a phone as a gift or you steal a phone, in both cases you get a phone for free, but it's not the same thing |
| Damn, I was gonna criticize OP's point for being dumb, but I guess I can't do it since I'm not willing to give them any money in exchange for voicing my opinion :( |
MadanielFL said: The way most people use the term "piracy" is just a synonym of copyright infringement. Copyright infringement doesn't necessarily entail making money off other people's work, just saying.This is why even fansub groups hate pirate sites. MadanielFL said: Sure.Please explain me how. So basically legal streaming platforms buy the rights to stream whatever, which is a fixed cost. The more paying users they get, the less money of each subscription goes to the original creators, to the point where they don't even get a full € of your 7€ subscription. Some people find this morally apalling, their money doesn't end up supporting the industry, but rather crunchyroll's shenanigans or whatever. To them this is essentially the same as what you mention here: MadanielFL said: especially considering how uncompetitive this market is.imo, there's nothing worse than pirate streams which make money by stealing other people's work. On the other hand there are illegal streaming websites which offer, for all intents and purposes, the same service as legal ones, except for free. Sure, they might not have the rights to do what they do, but they allow you to decide which show you wish to directly support (e.g. buying the merch or physical copies) and which you don't really care about. Legally that's sanctioned, but there are plenty of people who find it morally better than the legit alternative. I hope it doesn't sound condescending... DreamingBeats said: It's not just random anime forums, though. There are huge moral outrages going on twitter or weibo that directly affect the figures. But yea, I get what you're saying, I agree and I think I touched on that previously. What I meant on that point was something like "even if they did care enough to check our opinions, it still would be impractical to differentiate".Companies look at sales number, which gives them an objective metric of how well a series is doing. They don’t care much about what people say on random anime forums. |
RentNoGirlfriendJun 10, 2023 12:38 PM
RentNoGirlfriend said: That's not always true, some licenses use the royalty fee method which means the more people watching a show, the more money it makes.Sure. So basically legal streaming platforms buy the rights to stream whatever, which is a fixed cost. The more paying users they get, the less money of each subscription goes to the original creators, to the point where they don't even get a full € of your 7€ subscription. Some people find this morally apalling, their money doesn't end up supporting the industry, but rather crunchyroll's shenanigans or whatever. To them this is essentially the same as what you mention here: Let's also not forget the multiple anime that these companies help produce through production committees. I mean, bilibili even owns an anime studio. |
|
| well... how would they know? its a fair point, but its extremely unrealistic. |
| Also available at: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK8spdL1M_J-z0vO2C7jPLw Zeerks (I will make you YouTube thumbnails/banners): https://zeerk.com/jobs/graphics-design/i-will-make-you-your-youtube-banner-thumbnail/ An AMV I that I spend way too much time on: A Love Letter To Anime「AMV」: https://youtu.be/YQyqxFM2m9Q My referral code to a website/app that gives you free money (a few cents a day) by using a few megabytes of your internet for file sharing. We both get a bonus if you use my link: https://r.honeygain.me/ARSHIA7942 |
| Morons who think purchasing subscriptions actually support the industry are insufferable. A quick Google search will tell you that no matter how much morality you push upon others for pirating anime, the fact remains that animators are underpaid and overworked and these conditions may never change. Subscribing to Crunchyroll and the like only lines the pockets of corporations which basically know nothing about the animation process. Pay 12.50 CAD for access to hundreds of anime? You seriously think that amount actually helps the animators? Hell no, it obviously doesn't. What supports the industry is buying merchandise directly from the website or in the physical stores of animation studios. KyoAni recently re-opened its international shopping service, and now I am able to support that beloved studio. |
Kazari29Jun 10, 2023 2:13 PM
kycnui said: When people say supporting the industry, they don't mean supporting the animators.Morons who think purchasing subscriptions actually support the industry are insufferable. A quick Google search will tell you that no matter how much morality you push upon others for pirating anime, the fact remains that animators are underpaid and overworked and these conditions may never change. Subscribing to Crunchyroll and the like only lines the pockets of corporations which basically know nothing about the animation process. Pay 12.50 CAD for access to hundreds of anime? You seriously think that amount actually helps the animators? Hell no, it obviously doesn't. What supports the industry is buying merchandise directly from the website or in the physical stores of animation studios. KyoAni recently re-opened its international shopping service, and now I am able to support that beloved studio. That's a completely different phrase. Also, most anime studios don't even sell merch, it's mostly the corporations that do. |
|
MadanielFL said: I'm sorry, but I think you misunderstand. Animators are clearly the backbone of the anime industry, and therefore they are a part of this industry. With that mindset, no wonder most people take for granted the talent these workers have. kycnui said: That's a completely different phrase. Morons who think purchasing subscriptions actually support the industry are insufferable. A quick Google search will tell you that no matter how much morality you push upon others for pirating anime, the fact remains that animators are underpaid and overworked and these conditions may never change. Subscribing to Crunchyroll and the like only lines the pockets of corporations which basically know nothing about the animation process. Pay 12.50 CAD for access to hundreds of anime? You seriously think that amount actually helps the animators? Hell no, it obviously doesn't. What supports the industry is buying merchandise directly from the website or in the physical stores of animation studios. KyoAni recently re-opened its international shopping service, and now I am able to support that beloved studio. |
| I watch anime legally on youtube lol how's that? The money generated from streaming platforms is for them and not "the authors". I buy manga of series I really like which is a better way to support manga artists anyway. Guess I can shit on anime now. |
"Nobody could laugh at someone who's trying their hardest" -Machio- |
More topics from this board
» Do you find how the anime community finds something to be edgy annoying?vasipi4946 - 40 minutes ago |
2 |
by Akuya
»»
54 seconds ago |
|
Poll: » has the majority of people (here) seen the big 3 ? ( 1 2 3 )ame - Yesterday |
121 |
by neolucaman
»»
4 minutes ago |
|
» Why were children’s anime dubs so unappreciated?funtime43_tr - Today |
19 |
by neolucaman
»»
6 minutes ago |
|
Poll: » Have y'all seen Run with the Wind?MillerEvans23 - Today |
24 |
by WaffleMaster89
»»
11 minutes ago |
|
Poll: » Would you be in favor of tipping Crunchyroll for every anime you complete on their platform?Dije - Yesterday |
35 |
by MadanielFL
»»
15 minutes ago |