| at first I was like ehh but then I realized outdoor background settings in real life are basically designed by AI too. |
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| Artists have now been replaced by programmers. Voice actors are next. Nerds rule! |
dertassoJan 31, 2023 3:12 PM
| How will they will use it to enhance korean soap opera is unclear tho... |
| Quite interesting, i wonder how the results will look like ? |
| don't think it is that easy. Only lucasfilm and probably some top hollywood studio has access to that technology. Even then it only works for robotic voices like darth vader |
| If it ends up looking nice then there shouldn't be much of a big problem as for replacing all the humans well that has happened time and time again with many jobs the problem isn't with replacing people but just the fact that corporations really hate losing money and paying people fairly also with people need jobs to live in the first place hopefully we can replace every sort of job eventually lol AI take over all the jobs eventually bros would be very nice |
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| can't wait for a fully ai generated anime and hentai |
As an experimental effort to assist the animation industry, which is short on manpower, Hmm I wonder if that has anything to do with underpayment? 🙃 |
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| I hate the idea of using AI to replace jobs that require creativity. |
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| If it's just the backgrounds, then I don't think that would make much of difference in the final product |
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| I think this is a step in the right direction. If instead of trying to abuse the last few animators in Japan as much as they can or finding even poorer countries they can outsource the work to they start relying more on AI to reduce the workload I think this should improve the industry. The sample video seems to have pretty good background art. |
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| animators are NOT background artists, it's an entirely different job. what the fuck? seriously what's the point of this? |
| 馬鹿げた倫理 全部ガラクタで |
| Ai might be good at shading/rendering but I think what makes art interesting is human imagination and creativity. Getting a machine to shoot a pretty picture out doesn't involve any thought behind it, so you get stuff that looks soulless. |
zombie_pegasus said: There are plenty of artists out there, this isn't about a lack of talent. They just don't like paying people. This might help the production pipeline but it certainly isn't helping artists.I think this is a step in the right direction. If instead of trying to abuse the last few animators in Japan as much as they can or finding even poorer countries they can outsource the work to they start relying more on AI to reduce the workload I think this should improve the industry. The sample video seems to have pretty good background art. |
JKKH said: They already don't pay people. There's plenty of great artists out there, but finding ones willing to work for $3/h is the problem, since the production committee never gives them enough budget to give the artists a decent wage. There's a lot of people who would love to work in anime but need to support a family and therefore can't put up with the low wages of the anime industry and so do something else instead. If we have AI handling some of the jobs then by reducing the amount of art roles there are to fill it could make it so that animators could be paid enough to live.zombie_pegasus said: There are plenty of artists out there, this isn't about a lack of talent. They just don't like paying people. This might help the production pipeline but it certainly isn't helping artists.I think this is a step in the right direction. If instead of trying to abuse the last few animators in Japan as much as they can or finding even poorer countries they can outsource the work to they start relying more on AI to reduce the workload I think this should improve the industry. The sample video seems to have pretty good background art. |
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zombie_pegasus said: I don't think this will cause studios to pay artists more, it's just going to make them treat artists as more expendable. Companies will always be as cheap as they can as long as they figure they can get away with it. I think its more likely that reducing the amount of art roles will make art jobs more competitive to get into and cause artists to value their art lower so they can find work. JKKH said: They already don't pay people. There's plenty of great artists out there, but finding ones willing to work for $3/h is the problem, since the production committee never gives them enough budget to give the artists a decent wage. There's a lot of people who would love to work in anime but need to support a family and therefore can't put up with the low wages of the anime industry and so do something else instead. If we have AI handling some of the jobs then by reducing the amount of art roles there are to fill it could make it so that animators could be paid enough to live.There are plenty of artists out there, this isn't about a lack of talent. They just don't like paying people. This might help the production pipeline but it certainly isn't helping artists. |
Meh No matter how authentic the ai generated voice sounds it would never have that human emotion |
Za_PandaFeb 4, 2023 11:35 PM
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| Just don't let the AI near the characters hands!! |
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| Okay like most people I think AI art can be potentially dangerous but I wish they would have also linked the images for people since it makes this look more doomsday then it really is. Here is a link to an example background image. It is clear there was still a fair amount of work that had to be done. I mean the final image still had to be edited a ton by hand to even be usable. This is no different then how some anime trace over CGI like Ranking of Kings did. Which is hilariously another project done by Wit Studio. It is clear that this is experimentation and if used properly could actually lead to good things. I realize people hate AI, and to some extent I kind of do too, but this isn't the doomsday that I think people are thinking it is. Not to mention they are being 100% upfront about this process. It does make me wonder how much AI is already used in animation today that we don't even notice though. Anime has had plenty of short cuts come out over the years such as tracing, cgi, copy pasting scenes rotoscoping, etc. It really is all about perspective and how it is done. I hope this post could at least at some information I feel some might be lacking. The process https://twitter.com/catsuka/status/1620367863583481859 |
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| i feel like it can only on low budget shows so i'm ok with this. as far as i know, ai can't produce the same exact same setting from different angles. so a projects that truly work hard to be something special won't be using this. |
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Dije said: In this video you can view a sample preview of what their AI can do right now: https://twitter.com/NetflixJP/status/1620357552025538561 It's... good... but it just feel like there's something missing Ignoring the animation of that robo-dog clip, fuck that ending ripped my heart out 😭 |
| What debating with DigiCat is like according to APolygons2 That's why I thought a discussion would be pointless. It doesn't feel like a debate. It feels like I'm playing chess and somehow lose to an uno reverse card after loosing all my monopoly money lol |
| There is a cap for AI and it will likely be hit in the future. I would hazard a guess within 100 years. AI uses one resource independent of what kind of AI it is and who designed it. Power, well electrical power anyway. As we humans reach higher population numbers, so will power consumption increase. Fossil fuels aren't regenerating (like in videogames) so at some point we are forced to jump from one power production method to another. I don't currently believe that it will be sustainable or cheap enough to get an AI do make "everything" as it uses more power and prices will increase, and crucially beyond what it would cost to have specialised professions. This may not be enough to keep such jobs in the short term though. Even if we use AI for backgrounds, I think that it is intended to use alongside some background designers. They may not need as many, but they would still need them for placing them and polishing. Think of it as outsourcing. Instead of hiring foreign companies, your company has hired another thing that can go wrong. It is bad, but for now not the end of the world. |
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| Man, I want off this timeline. I can't believe I had to be born just in time to watch the slow, agonizingly painful death of art, only to make way for factory produced "content" garbage pumped directly into the brain over the internet. I wish truck-kun would isekai me to a world where the iPhone never got a chance to ruin everything. |
| I'm not against it in principle, I'm sure that the best and healthiest productions* will make good use of new technologies. *the vast majority of Netflix anime productions are far from good or healthy |
| I can see this not going the way they think it will. ai often goes "racist" and has to be shut down so I could see this getting lots of results the PC people don't like. Backgrounds these days are just photos put through a filter. I think will will end up with static photo backgrounds in the future and then that will change to video backgrounds. |
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| AIs should not replace humans. They will be never be able to match the talent of humans. And everyone pushing for them is a lunatic. |
As an experimental effort to assist the animation industry *** BULLSHIT DETECTED *** In business nobody does anything to "assist" anyone else. In this case it is someone trying to place a product (a technology for AI generated backgrounds) by presenting it as "assisting the industry". If you believe an ad that says "We have benefits for you!", then all I can say is, bless your innocent little kokoro. You need to ask yourself "who exactly is being assisted?" It's not "the industry" because that is an just abstraction. This benefits production companies, because it enables them to turn out more anime in less time and at lower costs. One could think that the viewers benefit too because we get even more anime per season - except that now it has worse backgrounds, but who cares; more exactly, you get the same amount of quality overall, only spread across more series. It benefits AI programmers in the sense that it opens more work opportunities for them. It doesn't benefit artists. |
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If that AI can ever perfectly replicate this  Then I'll accept that AI can replace background artists. Until then, Netflix can fuck off with their attempts to replace real people with their worthless machines in the one industry that we thought was safe from automation (entertainment) Edit: For clarification, I'll never actually accept AI as a replacement for human artists. That's why I picked a page from One Punch Man. It was either this or the Serious Sneeze. |
ShatteredSansFeb 1, 2023 9:50 AM
| ai is the future so vote for ubi like negative income tax |
JKKH said: Adding onto this, the anime industry isn't short on money, its just that the producers and licensors take most of it. Adding AI into the pipeline under the guise of an "effort to assist the animation industry" is just complete bullshit. The studios that can pay their staff better are the ones that either produce in-house or are more selective with the projects that they decide to take on. Even if introducing AI actually made the pipeline more effective, I'd still find it to be "an insult to life itself".zombie_pegasus said: There are plenty of artists out there, this isn't about a lack of talent. They just don't like paying people. This might help the production pipeline but it certainly isn't helping artists.I think this is a step in the right direction. If instead of trying to abuse the last few animators in Japan as much as they can or finding even poorer countries they can outsource the work to they start relying more on AI to reduce the workload I think this should improve the industry. The sample video seems to have pretty good background art. But I guess that with the licensing companies and producers being so soulless in their approach to anime production, it only makes sense that they would use AI. The industry is rotting. |
gekojayFeb 1, 2023 10:29 AM
I can't even function as a human being anymore. |
| Wowww that's amazing! The backgrounds in that trailer looked so good. But yea I'm concerned about animators losing their jobs too...there must be a creative solution to prioritize these skilled animators to do something different? |
| desu desu binches |
| People still screaming like this is doomsday or something. Not like this stuff didn't happen before when anime went from cell to digital. Mal will be Mal I guess. |
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Calal-Chan said: You're not making any sense. What does anime production jumping from cell to digital have to do with artificial intelligence?People still screaming like this is doomsday or something. Not like this stuff didn't happen before when anime went from cell to digital. Mal will be Mal I guess.Y |
InfiniteGaia said: My point were people also got mad at that too. If you look through the post you can see the process it took and it clearly wasn't just using AI only. It still had plenty of Human influence. The first drawing and last drawing of the background Art were either made or then touched up and fixed in the end. It is no different than how a lot of anime backgrounds today are just traced over pictures.Calal-Chan said: You're not making any sense. What does anime production jumping from cell to digital have to do with artificial intelligence?People still screaming like this is doomsday or something. Not like this stuff didn't happen before when anime went from cell to digital. Mal will be Mal I guess.Y My whole point is when any kind of new thing is brought into the industry people always go all doomsday. So my comparison does relate to people freaking out whenever a change happens. I don't feel it is that hard to connect what I said with what people are doing. In 10 years from now people will be doing the same saying man anime was so much better 10 years ago before they started doing AI and all that. Just like people complain that modern anime isn't as good as Cell. We are just hitting another junction point. (We could even bring up how CGI is used now and how when people see that they freak out too.) People just don't like any form of change. But it isn't about the technology but more how it is used. There are plenty of lifeless anime coming out today that have nothing to do with Cell, Digital, AI, CGI, etc. I just feel people are screaming doomsday just like they did with Cell to Digital. If this still doesn't make any sense then I have no idea what else to say. |
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Calal-Chan said: Using AI at all is a slippery slope. AI WILL get better. And in the modern world companies will do anything to cut on costs and production time. These cost and time cutting measures have all made anime worse, but the masses won't care for these changes since they will continue to consume whatever pile of shit is in front of them. This includes all the things you yourself mentioned. CGI is shit. And even digital animation, which was introduced for the convenience and ease of drawing of the animators, lowered the quality ceiling of anime. People have legitimate reasons to get mad/upset. Are you telling me these so called "doomsday screamers" were wrong? And that the quality of anime has stayed consistent since it's peak in the 90's/early 00's? No one is afraid of change, that is a strawman argument. People do not like changes for the worse. AI will be the final nail in the coffin for human creativity. The process is just as important as the result. If the human element is lacking, then the end-product is not worth experiencing.InfiniteGaia said: My point were people also got mad at that too. If you look through the post you can see the process it took and it clearly wasn't just using AI only. It still had plenty of Human influence. The first drawing and last drawing of the background Art were either made or then touched up and fixed in the end. It is no different than how a lot of anime backgrounds today are just traced over pictures.You're not making any sense. What does anime production jumping from cell to digital have to do with artificial intelligence? My whole point is when any kind of new thing is brought into the industry people always go all doomsday. So my comparison does relate to people freaking out whenever a change happens. I don't feel it is that hard to connect what I said with what people are doing. In 10 years from now people will be doing the same saying man anime was so much better 10 years ago before they started doing AI and all that. Just like people complain that modern anime isn't as good as Cell. We are just hitting another junction point. (We could even bring up how CGI is used now and how when people see that they freak out too.) People just don't like any form of change. But it isn't about the technology but more how it is used. There are plenty of lifeless anime coming out today that have nothing to do with Cell, Digital, AI, CGI, etc. I just feel people are screaming doomsday just like they did with Cell to Digital. If this still doesn't make any sense then I have no idea what else to say. |
InfiniteGaia said: I do agree using AI is a slippery slope. But screaming doomsday and being pessimistic doesn't help. What you are saying is super subjective about it making anime worse. Anime has been both bad and good ever since it was created. I think you might be stuck in the 70's or 80's. CGI isn't necessarily "shit". Saying it is, shows you lack an understanding of the animation medium or are simply close minded. Digital animation hasn't lowered the quality ceiling of anime either and just saying that discredits a ton of talented animators that produce quality work today. Honestly you are just insulting animators which I find to be really toxic. You start by saying I am making no sense but you are just straight up saying random things with no evidence to back it up. Humans are creatures that do indeed dislike change. And you pointing out that I was somehow straw manning while taking that out of context of everything else I was saying is just as much of a straw man then what I did. Calal-Chan said: Using AI at all is a slippery slope. AI WILL get better. And in the modern world companies will do anything to cut on costs and production time. These cost and time cutting measures have all made anime worse, but the masses won't care for these changes since they will continue to consume whatever pile of shit is in front of them. This includes all the things you yourself mentioned. CGI is shit. And even digital animation, which was introduced for the convenience and ease of drawing of the animators, lowered the quality ceiling of anime. People have legitimate reasons to get mad/upset. Are you telling me these so called "doomsday screamers" were wrong? And that the quality of anime has stayed consistent since it's peak in the 90's/early 00's? No one is afraid of change, that is a strawman argument. People do not like changes for the worse. AI will be the final nail in the coffin for human creativity. The process is just as important as the result. If the human element is lacking, then the end-product is not worth experiencing.My point were people also got mad at that too. If you look through the post you can see the process it took and it clearly wasn't just using AI only. It still had plenty of Human influence. The first drawing and last drawing of the background Art were either made or then touched up and fixed in the end. It is no different than how a lot of anime backgrounds today are just traced over pictures. My whole point is when any kind of new thing is brought into the industry people always go all doomsday. So my comparison does relate to people freaking out whenever a change happens. I don't feel it is that hard to connect what I said with what people are doing. In 10 years from now people will be doing the same saying man anime was so much better 10 years ago before they started doing AI and all that. Just like people complain that modern anime isn't as good as Cell. We are just hitting another junction point. (We could even bring up how CGI is used now and how when people see that they freak out too.) People just don't like any form of change. But it isn't about the technology but more how it is used. There are plenty of lifeless anime coming out today that have nothing to do with Cell, Digital, AI, CGI, etc. I just feel people are screaming doomsday just like they did with Cell to Digital. If this still doesn't make any sense then I have no idea what else to say. You ignored everything I had to say and I don't think you really understand animation nor what I was saying in-fact you just proved what I was saying was right by being a doomsday sayer and leaning into that archetype that shows a lack of understanding both the digital medium and animation in general. You are someone who lives solely in the past where everything was better. I should have known better then to try and explain my opinion. I should have saw the signs I would just get a toxic message back someone who is not willing to have a real conversation and only act like they are so high and mighty. I will not be responding further as I don't talk to people who shut other peoples viewpoints down in an unreasonable fashion. I find that extremely toxic and will not be discussing with you in the future. Enjoy the aspects of anime that you want too. It is a free world on that front. PS. For an example of your hypocrisy you gave 10/10's to Attack on Titan Mob Psycho and Demon Slayer all shows that use CGI in them. Some of it is definitely bad, but they also used it in an innovative way to create some master class animation that could be argued better than most of what came out in the 90's even. Enjoy your life and I will enjoy mine not talking to you further. Good day. |
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| I HATE THE AI I HATE THE AI I HATE THE AI |
| If they'd tax the AI and use that money to fund unemployed people it would all be fine but we all know that's not how it works. |
| I'm looking forward to the next season of "I Was Reincarnated as an Artificial Intelligence" where they get stuck drawing cartoons instead of solving real problems |
Calal-Chan said: Yeah you're miserable. The fact that you use the word toxic tells me all I need to know about you. You accuse me of so many things. You're simpleminded and easily offended by different views. As soon as you're bothered you dive into your safe-space shell.InfiniteGaia said: I do agree using AI is a slippery slope. But screaming doomsday and being pessimistic doesn't help. What you are saying is super subjective about it making anime worse. Anime has been both bad and good ever since it was created. I think you might be stuck in the 70's or 80's. CGI isn't necessarily "shit". Saying it is, shows you lack an understanding of the animation medium or are simply close minded. Digital animation hasn't lowered the quality ceiling of anime either and just saying that discredits a ton of talented animators that produce quality work today. Honestly you are just insulting animators which I find to be really toxic. You start by saying I am making no sense but you are just straight up saying random things with no evidence to back it up. Humans are creatures that do indeed dislike change. And you pointing out that I was somehow straw manning while taking that out of context of everything else I was saying is just as much of a straw man then what I did. Using AI at all is a slippery slope. AI WILL get better. And in the modern world companies will do anything to cut on costs and production time. These cost and time cutting measures have all made anime worse, but the masses won't care for these changes since they will continue to consume whatever pile of shit is in front of them. This includes all the things you yourself mentioned. CGI is shit. And even digital animation, which was introduced for the convenience and ease of drawing of the animators, lowered the quality ceiling of anime. People have legitimate reasons to get mad/upset. Are you telling me these so called "doomsday screamers" were wrong? And that the quality of anime has stayed consistent since it's peak in the 90's/early 00's? No one is afraid of change, that is a strawman argument. People do not like changes for the worse. AI will be the final nail in the coffin for human creativity. The process is just as important as the result. If the human element is lacking, then the end-product is not worth experiencing. You ignored everything I had to say and I don't think you really understand animation nor what I was saying in-fact you just proved what I was saying was right by being a doomsday sayer and leaning into that archetype that shows a lack of understanding both the digital medium and animation in general. You are someone who lives solely in the past where everything was better. I should have known better then to try and explain my opinion. I should have saw the signs I would just get a toxic message back someone who is not willing to have a real conversation and only act like they are so high and mighty. I will not be responding further as I don't talk to people who shut other peoples viewpoints down in an unreasonable fashion. I find that extremely toxic and will not be discussing with you in the future. Enjoy the aspects of anime that you want too. It is a free world on that front. PS. For an example of your hypocrisy you gave 10/10's to Attack on Titan Mob Psycho and Demon Slayer all shows that use CGI in them. Some of it is definitely bad, but they also used it in an innovative way to create some master class animation that could be argued better than most of what came out in the 90's even. Enjoy your life and I will enjoy mine not talking to you further. Good day |
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