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Jan 31, 2023 6:10 AM
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First of all, every time a big new sports anime comes up like blue lock Im super happy because it gives a chance for some weebs to get into sports. Being a sports fan and a weeb usually don't overlap alot so seeing people get into sports because of anime makes me happy cause doing any type of exercise is extremely healthy compared to sitting down watching all day.

Anyways for any sports fan before watching/reading Blue lock, what was your thoughts on blue lock philosophy? I'm a basketball player/fan and personally I really like the way they explore the idea of EGO. I couldn't really stand anime shows that talk about teamwork because in my experience, it's not accurate that people will win solely using the power of friendship. Of course teamwork is important but usually in the NBA the top players who leads the team all have ego's and the community never sees it as a bad thing. In fact, a lot of NBA players love trash talking and the fans encourage it. It's been glorified in the NBA community to be able to take the game in your own hands and win by force mainly due to famous late legend Kobe Bryant with his influence of the Mamba mentality. A lot of players (current/retired) will say they're the best even if they're clearly not. Many people will find this arrogant but it's just another way of hyping and giving themselves confidence because not believing you're the 'dog' will make the opponent try to exploit your weakness.

I'm just happy that Blue lock tries to explore that idea of egoism. It can be extreme sometimes but overall I like it. Whats your take?
Jan 31, 2023 6:12 AM
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I may be a Binge-Watcher but I used to occasionally play sports for fun

Apparently, you cannot always rely on your teammates, you have to yourself use your skill to the best when you get the chance
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Jan 31, 2023 6:14 AM
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Faxtual_Ghoul said:
I may be a Binge-Watcher but I used to occasionally play sports for fun

Apparently, you cannot always rely on your teammates, you have to yourself use your skill to the best when you get the chance
yep, I completely agree with this sometimes you gotta just ignore everyone and do it yourself to win the game
Jan 31, 2023 6:27 AM
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like a 50/50. (from a football player "European football, I won't be calling it soccer")

because yes you need a leader an "egoist", but you still need a team that understands you

like without an "egoist" you can still make miracles and win things BUT it won't be a recurrence.
if you want to keep winning you need those "egoists", but those "egoists" needs a team that understands them and they need to understand the team

so a big 50/50.

btw I still love the take.
Jan 31, 2023 6:29 AM
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As a fellow basketball player who was part of one of my city's best school teams, I both agree and disagree with blue lock's philosophy lol. Each player needs their ego, but not let it grow so much that you clash with each other. Just create good chemistry with one another. That's how we won 4 out of the 5 tournaments we played in.
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Jan 31, 2023 6:33 AM
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It’s all about teamwork and in the end they have to rely on teamwork that’s how this sport works so they might show about ego of striker and stuff but in the end it’s a TEAM game
Jan 31, 2023 6:39 AM
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I used to play a lot of football, and you have to be honest here, striker has to have some kind of egoism. blue lock taking this ideal a little too far imo but the ideology is true in it's base
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Jan 31, 2023 6:40 AM
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football is a team sport so naturally teamwork is number 1 but i'm not against blue lock's philosophy either. egoists are some of the most fun guys in football like zlatan. messi isn't really an egoist but because he actually has the abilities, he relies on himself a lot, though of course he does receive help from his teammates.
egoism is a unique concept in a sports anime and blue lock executes it very well so i'm all for it.
Jan 31, 2023 6:41 AM
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As a forward player in my high-school's football team I mostly agree with blue lock's philosophical and yes there are many many times where you need confidence in yourself while being a striker
Blue lock basically eradicates the doubt in your mind that you can't score which is one of the things that every player strives to achieve

And the amazingly competitive and good environment blue lock provides is ideal for individual growth (not so much for team growth tho)

But there is that if your ego grows so much that it clashes with other people's ego , it might become a major hindrance for you in an actual game.
Jan 31, 2023 6:45 AM
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Hated it. Confidence is important to be top level athlete, but the portrayal of ego in Blue Lock was too over-the-top and way too contrived.
Jan 31, 2023 6:55 AM
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Depends on what level you aspire to play at.

A team that plays seriously is who’s going to win the trophies, so that’s really the atmosphere you need the most.

The normal path starts off with learning how to win as a team, then as you progress it shifts to learning how to win on your own once you develop past your teammates (to beat better teams) and stays that way until you reach the level where everybody on the field is good enough to win games on their own. Then it shifts back to winning as a team again if you want to make it to the very top.

There’s a reason tons of star players don’t make it far. Even NBA teams with 5 stars get clowned on by good teamwork at that level. Individual skill hits a bottleneck at the highest level even when every player on the team is stronger than their opposition.

A good example is Bayern Munich 10-15 years back. Well oiled teamplay that was ridiculously dominant even against superteams.

Depending on the level you’re playing at it’ll gradually be more or less accurate as a mindset, but it’s not set in stone
Jan 31, 2023 7:01 AM

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yung_xD said:
Depends on what level you aspire to play at.

A team that plays seriously is who’s going to win the trophies, so that’s really the atmosphere you need the most.

The normal path starts off with learning how to win as a team, then as you progress it shifts to learning how to win on your own once you develop past your teammates (to beat better teams) and stays that way until you reach the level where everybody on the field is good enough to win games on their own. Then it shifts back to winning as a team again if you want to make it to the very top.

There’s a reason tons of star players don’t make it far. Even NBA teams with 5 stars get clowned on by good teamwork at that level. Individual skill hits a bottleneck at the highest level even when every player on the team is stronger than their opposition.

A good example is Bayern Munich 10-15 years back. Well oiled teamplay that was ridiculously dominant even against superteams.

Depending on the level you’re playing at it’ll gradually be more or less accurate as a mindset, but it’s not set in stone
that is true. In basketball there's a term called 'hero ball' where one player in the team will try to take over the game because of their overconfidence and shoot low percentage shots. It's usually a term for people who act like this but their skills are not up to par with their confidence, so i get what you're saying more or less.
Jan 31, 2023 7:21 AM
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yung_xD said:
Depends on what level you aspire to play at.

A team that plays seriously is who’s going to win the trophies, so that’s really the atmosphere you need the most.

The normal path starts off with learning how to win as a team, then as you progress it shifts to learning how to win on your own once you develop past your teammates (to beat better teams) and stays that way until you reach the level where everybody on the field is good enough to win games on their own. Then it shifts back to winning as a team again if you want to make it to the very top.

There’s a reason tons of star players don’t make it far. Even NBA teams with 5 stars get clowned on by good teamwork at that level. Individual skill hits a bottleneck at the highest level even when every player on the team is stronger than their opposition.

A good example is Bayern Munich 10-15 years back. Well oiled teamplay that was ridiculously dominant even against superteams.

Depending on the level you’re playing at it’ll gradually be more or less accurate as a mindset, but it’s not set in stone

this is why I respect/love the 2017-19 Golden State Warriors so much. Even with a 5 star superteam, they made the most out of it and won 2 of 3 championships. They played with good chemistry instead of just mashing good players together. An example of a superteam fail is last years' Lakers. Sky high expectations and they fell flat
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Jan 31, 2023 7:32 AM
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As a basketball player in most matches i play both in ego as well as teamwork i totally likes the way blue lock anime was made with full of surprises and new players
Jan 31, 2023 8:02 AM
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Not a full on super egoist like they say in Blue Lock, but you need to have some sort of ego or be capable of being an egoist sometimes if you expect to be actually good at the sport.

Actually, just watch the final of the most recent world cup. One team went to the pitch with enough ego to understand that that was the place and time to play their best football. The other team didn't. That's how I would put it.
Jan 31, 2023 10:23 AM

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Da_mikasa_simp said:
yung_xD said:
Depends on what level you aspire to play at.

A team that plays seriously is who’s going to win the trophies, so that’s really the atmosphere you need the most.

The normal path starts off with learning how to win as a team, then as you progress it shifts to learning how to win on your own once you develop past your teammates (to beat better teams) and stays that way until you reach the level where everybody on the field is good enough to win games on their own. Then it shifts back to winning as a team again if you want to make it to the very top.

There’s a reason tons of star players don’t make it far. Even NBA teams with 5 stars get clowned on by good teamwork at that level. Individual skill hits a bottleneck at the highest level even when every player on the team is stronger than their opposition.

A good example is Bayern Munich 10-15 years back. Well oiled teamplay that was ridiculously dominant even against superteams.

Depending on the level you’re playing at it’ll gradually be more or less accurate as a mindset, but it’s not set in stone

this is why I respect/love the 2017-19 Golden State Warriors so much. Even with a 5 star superteam, they made the most out of it and won 2 of 3 championships. They played with good chemistry instead of just mashing good players together. An example of a superteam fail is last year's Lakers. Sky high expectations and they fell flat

the poll was closer than expected. But @Da_mikasa_simp brings a good point about superteams. It makes me want to clarify. I feel like egoism will be perfectly utilized if there is one clear leader and ego aka the one who will take the final shot. The others has to be satisfied with their position. The Golden state warriors wasn't initially successful when KD(superstar) transferred with Steph(superstar). I remember hearing that the first few games was rough because they didn't know who was supposed to be the one leading because of their clashing ego. Once steph and kd got into the rhythm (steph taking a slight backseat), thats when they we're dominating everyone in the league. 
Jan 31, 2023 10:50 AM
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ryzxgum said:
football is a team sport so naturally teamwork is number 1 but i'm not against blue lock's philosophy either. egoists are some of the most fun guys in football like zlatan. messi isn't really an egoist but because he actually has the abilities, he relies on himself a lot, though of course he does receive help from his teammates.
egoism is a unique concept in a sports anime and blue lock executes it very well so i'm all for it.

Zlatan literally ruins chances to score because he tries to score himself instead of passing. It’s like he’d rather have the team not score at all than have someone else on the team score for him. I agree that some ego is important in team sports too, but to much of it can ruin the chances of winning for the whole team

Like what happened with Barou in the second selection. Him hogging the ball is literally what caused his team’s losses.
Jan 31, 2023 11:25 AM

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As someone who has played football on a competitive level. I find Blue Lock's entire existence insulting. You look at the best strikers of recent times, they're all team players except Zlatan. Balotelli is a great example of a promising but phenomenal player with a huge ego that never fulfilled his potential, because his ego held him back as a person on and off the field. Blue Lock's philosophy works in fiction but would never show similar results in the real world. 


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Jan 31, 2023 11:34 AM
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linnline said:

Zlatan literally ruins chances to score because he tries to score himself instead of passing. It’s like he’d rather have the team not score at all than have someone else on the team score for him. I agree that some ego is important in team sports too, but to much of it can ruin the chances of winning for the whole team

Like what happened with Barou in the second selection. Him hogging the ball is literally what caused his team’s losses.

I've only read about Zlatan being selfish during his Ajax and Man U days. He's actually very good at link-up play and has more than 200 career assists. 

Source: https://www.transfermarkt.com/zlatan-ibrahimovi%C4%87/leistungsdaten/spieler/3455

You can see the evidence of his link-up play in this match:



Here's a quote from the man himself:

Everyone thinks of me as a selfish person, someone who thinks only of himself and considers himself to be all-powerful. In a way, it’s true, but when I’m out on the pitch I play football. If I need to pass the ball to a teammate, I don’t hesitate to do so, and it’s partly to prove that I’m above the mere obsession with goals – that I’m bigger than the person who actually scores the goal.

I’ve watched most games of Sweden’s men’s national team in the Euro cup, the World Championships, and the olympics over the past 15 years and yes, he CAN and does make good link-up plays, but he also makes a lot of selfish plays to score by himself. So many times he’s kept the ball to himself despite having other players open who might be able to score, only to lose the ball.

I’m not a professional football-player, or anything connected to the sport, and I don’t have any statistics, so it might just be that all of his selfish plays has stuck with me more than his link-ups. Statistically I may not be right, and I know he’s incredibly popular, but I do think he’s made selfish plays quite a lot in the Swedish National team. Maybe he just didn’t think the rest of the team was at his level (and maybe that’s true), but I still think that he’s made many selfish plays that took away chances for goals.
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Torrible said:
revzy said:
As someone who has played football on a competitive level. I find Blue Lock's entire existence insulting. You look at the best strikers of recent times, they're all team players except Zlatan. Balotelli is a great example of a promising but phenomenal player with a huge ego that never fulfilled his potential, because his ego held him back as a person on and off the field. Blue Lock's philosophy works in fiction but would never show similar results in the real world. 

Zlatan not a team player?

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/dec/19/zlatan-ibrahimovic-lion-milan

https://www.thickaccent.com/2022/09/26/how-zlatan-aided-rafael-leaos-transition-to-ac-milan/

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/07/calhanoglu-credits-ibrahimovic-for-helping-rejuvenate-ac-milan/

And I love how you said "all except Zlatan", as if the quality of not being Zlatan Ibrahimovic is sufficient proof of being a team player.


That was my bad I wrote something different before about how Zlatan is the only player of his generation that used his ego to his advantage. Forgot to remove that part. Obviously, Zlatan is a great player with a big ego but you can't disregard his influence on everyone around him. Just look at AC Milan before and after he returned during his current spell. He is a great leader on and off the pitch. 


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Jan 31, 2023 11:41 AM

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Fail_Man_X said:
Hated it. Confidence is important to be top level athlete, but the portrayal of ego in Blue Lock was too over-the-top and way too contrived.
A battle shonen that's too over the top? I'm absolutely shocked I tell you. 
If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.
Jan 31, 2023 1:38 PM

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ryzxgum said:
football is a team sport so naturally teamwork is number 1 but i'm not against blue lock's philosophy either. egoists are some of the most fun guys in football like zlatan. messi isn't really an egoist but because he actually has the abilities, he relies on himself a lot, though of course he does receive help from his teammates.
egoism is a unique concept in a sports anime and blue lock executes it very well so i'm all for it.

Zlatan literally ruins chances to score because he tries to score himself instead of passing. It’s like he’d rather have the team not score at all than have someone else on the team score for him. I agree that some ego is important in team sports too, but to much of it can ruin the chances of winning for the whole team

Like what happened with Barou in the second selection. Him hogging the ball is literally what caused his team’s losses.

i said he's fun to watch, that doesn't necessarily mean always efficient plus that's just a minority of the times further down the line in his career. doesn't change the fact that that mindset has pulled him through his entire career and helped his time a lot, he's scored some absolute worldies most players could never score had he not been the type of the player he is eg. that 30yard bicycle kick vs england. ofc if you pulled up a statistic, it would show show he has a decent amount of misses too, after all no one can score a 100% of the time.
his egoistic remarks also make his interviews very entertaining.

plus that first line is a more fitting description of ronaldo and balotelli rather than zlatan.
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As a soccer player that has done some competitive play in lower leagues, I’d say I agree with the ego making you an individually better player, but it has its limits. The show even shows this, how they end up playing more as a team after a loss. Someone like Barou would get destroyed in high level play, but people like Isagi who doesn’t hesitate to play with his team when he needs to would be much more at home on the pitch with pros.
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Blue lock is running with the IDEA that Japanese soccer already has good team players in their defenders and midfielders. They are basically overexaggerating the "egoist" part temporarily for their vision of the perfect leader-like striker but it's not like they would disregard team play completely in the long run. As for my thoughts on it, it simply makes for a good gimmick/shtick for the show, nothing more nothing less.
Jan 31, 2023 4:24 PM

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Yh but it's not like all the big sports anime rely on the power of friendship.... which is why it's weird when people say that as a reason for Blue lock being more unique compared to other sports anime. I didn't watch Ace of the diamond thinking that the Seido team won or lost matches because the power of their friendship was more or less than what was required. The same thing applies to Ao ashi and Haikyuu.

Blue lock is unique because of the setting, it is unique because of the batshit crazy person who created it, and it is unique because of the message that you and I haven't fully understood yet. Not because it preaches a message that being an egoist is better than being a team-driven player.

It's crazy that we're literally in an arc that pretty much rewards teamwork and people still have this take about Blue lock.
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yung_xD said:
Depends on what level you aspire to play at.

A team that plays seriously is who’s going to win the trophies, so that’s really the atmosphere you need the most.

The normal path starts off with learning how to win as a team, then as you progress it shifts to learning how to win on your own once you develop past your teammates (to beat better teams) and stays that way until you reach the level where everybody on the field is good enough to win games on their own. Then it shifts back to winning as a team again if you want to make it to the very top.

There’s a reason tons of star players don’t make it far. Even NBA teams with 5 stars get clowned on by good teamwork at that level. Individual skill hits a bottleneck at the highest level even when every player on the team is stronger than their opposition.

A good example is Bayern Munich 10-15 years back. Well oiled teamplay that was ridiculously dominant even against superteams.

Depending on the level you’re playing at it’ll gradually be more or less accurate as a mindset, but it’s not set in stone

Wonderfully said (character limit + I haven’t played sports but love sports anime)
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First of all, it is important to emphasize that Blue Lock is based on the Japanese football culture, mindset, history, failures, etc. and develops a model “finding an egoist super striker” for changing that.

As someone who is a huge fan of football (playing/following) and as someone who is living in Japan and playing football with Japanese people frequently.
I played with some ex-professionals, they describe Japanese footballers as “too nice or too shy” in the field, also by observing the Japanese mindset in general, japanese are collective, perfectionists and afraid of being blamed from society.
These issues could be well observed in the latest World Cup and how Japanese players kept rotating the ball close to the Croatian goal many times before losing the ball.
Therefore, Blue Lock proposes this model as a solution for the Japanese football, and it has a strong reason there.

However, unlike basketball, football is so much teamwork sport, especially the modern football. It is 11 players sport and there is no way the ball don’t move between all players.
One great player can do some addition, but one bad player can cause a lot of damage.
Even the greatest players (Messi, CR, Thierry Henry, etc.) needed their teammates to cover what they don’t do like defending and pressing, and provide them with the chances and the spaces, etc.

The short version, you need both as an individual, but all should work for the team to win and not vice versa.
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In some sports this kind of philosophy works better and in some, it won't get you anywhere. It football (like in the sport where you actaully use your feet) it is detrimental to know what you can and can't do. Letting your teammates help you is essential. tho I guess that egotism doesn't hurt for a striker it's bad if it consumes him. In Basketball on the other hand all great players are glorified ball hogs and don't give two shits on defense, they just outscore the opponent. So like i said it really depends.
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First of all, every time a big new sports anime comes up like blue lock Im super happy because it gives a chance for some weebs to get into sports. Being a sports fan and a weeb usually don't overlap alot so seeing people get into sports because of anime makes me happy cause doing any type of exercise is extremely healthy compared to sitting down watching all day.

Anyways for any sports fan before watching/reading Blue lock, what was your thoughts on blue lock philosophy? I'm a basketball player/fan and personally I really like the way they explore the idea of EGO. I couldn't really stand anime shows that talk about teamwork because in my experience, it's not accurate that people will win solely using the power of friendship. Of course teamwork is important but usually in the NBA the top players who leads the team all have ego's and the community never sees it as a bad thing. In fact, a lot of NBA players love trash talking and the fans encourage it. It's been glorified in the NBA community to be able to take the game in your own hands and win by force mainly due to famous late legend Kobe Bryant with his influence of the Mamba mentality. A lot of players (current/retired) will say they're the best even if they're clearly not. Many people will find this arrogant but it's just another way of hyping and giving themselves confidence because not believing you're the 'dog' will make the opponent try to exploit your weakness.

I'm just happy that Blue lock tries to explore that idea of egoism. It can be extreme sometimes but overall I like it. Whats your take?

yeah it does work best in basketball. football is a whole different thing tho
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you can't become ichi no striker by relying on your teammates. Give in to egoism, let loose
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DreiWetterTaft said:
ChiefDestiny said:
First of all, every time a big new sports anime comes up like blue lock Im super happy because it gives a chance for some weebs to get into sports. Being a sports fan and a weeb usually don't overlap alot so seeing people get into sports because of anime makes me happy cause doing any type of exercise is extremely healthy compared to sitting down watching all day.

Anyways for any sports fan before watching/reading Blue lock, what was your thoughts on blue lock philosophy? I'm a basketball player/fan and personally I really like the way they explore the idea of EGO. I couldn't really stand anime shows that talk about teamwork because in my experience, it's not accurate that people will win solely using the power of friendship. Of course teamwork is important but usually in the NBA the top players who leads the team all have ego's and the community never sees it as a bad thing. In fact, a lot of NBA players love trash talking and the fans encourage it. It's been glorified in the NBA community to be able to take the game in your own hands and win by force mainly due to famous late legend Kobe Bryant with his influence of the Mamba mentality. A lot of players (current/retired) will say they're the best even if they're clearly not. Many people will find this arrogant but it's just another way of hyping and giving themselves confidence because not believing you're the 'dog' will make the opponent try to exploit your weakness.

I'm just happy that Blue lock tries to explore that idea of egoism. It can be extreme sometimes but overall I like it. Whats your take?

yeah it does work best in basketball. football is a whole different thing tho
true. For some reason in basketball(NBA specifically), you would think that the scoring would be more or less the same given more opportunities for each player BECAUSE there's less players to share at any given moment compared to football(5players vs 11). Although it's not really the case cuz most teams have one person who scores 20-25% of the points of the whole 4 quarters which when thinking of it its wild. I think the nature of placing importance on big scorers in the NBA makes the egoism aspect more prominent in basketball.
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ChiefDestiny said:
Da_mikasa_simp said:

this is why I respect/love the 2017-19 Golden State Warriors so much. Even with a 5 star superteam, they made the most out of it and won 2 of 3 championships. They played with good chemistry instead of just mashing good players together. An example of a superteam fail is last year's Lakers. Sky high expectations and they fell flat

the poll was closer than expected. But @Da_mikasa_simp brings a good point about superteams. It makes me want to clarify. I feel like egoism will be perfectly utilized if there is one clear leader and ego aka the one who will take the final shot. The others has to be satisfied with their position. The Golden state warriors wasn't initially successful when KD(superstar) transferred with Steph(superstar). I remember hearing that the first few games was rough because they didn't know who was supposed to be the one leading because of their clashing ego. Once steph and kd got into the rhythm (steph taking a slight backseat), thats when they we're dominating everyone in the league. 

The warriors are interesting lol. Steph has a huge ego but is not very selfish as a player. He took a back seat for kd to be the "face" of the warriors but Steph was still very much the bus driver of that team. I take it as a "kd needed the warriors, the warriors never really needed him" type thing cuz they've won two rings without him too. still respect kd a lot tho lol
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Lol people here have never played soccer or been in a winning team and it shows lmfao.

lmao fr. Blue lock quite literally shows that you still need to be a team to win and isagi adapts to be a team player while still having his ego
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Man I’m so glad you asked cause it’s been on my mind for a while 

Ok so I used to be a serious athlete in a team sport and a lot of the time I got put down for “keeping the ball to myself” and “you need to pass, you can’t keep it” and that really fucked up my game cause I became more and more discouraged to play my hardest. I started to hesitate so others wouldn’t give me a hard time. 

I’m a big fan of sports anime and I relate a lot. The strategy stimulates me duuudeee. 

I didn’t watch anime at the time nor were did most of these sports animes exist and I wish they did and that I saw them because now I’m like wow it’s actually a damn necessary/justifiable trait for an athlete. Yes ego is extreme in blue lock but I agree with him. 

You need to be greedy and arrogant in competitive sport. Real good athletes have a massive ego but honestly I think they need to because you need to think highly of yourself in order to perform at high standards. Think about it when you (universal you) have low self esteem you’re a bit timid and it hinders your effort/potential. You feel small so you behave like you’re small. 

I wish I knew that ego and greed weren’t something to be ashamed of (in sport context) because it fuels your performance. If you wanna be the best then you need to actually believe it. Manifest that shit for yourself. But also not be a total dickhead about it that be great. 

The human ego is strong and well you need to be strong to be an athlete. Mentally and physically. 
Personally I think my game was strongest when I was being selfish because of you want something you gotta take it although team sports can be tricky. 

Thanks for the thread my dude 
Feb 3, 2023 9:36 PM
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I am fine with it. But it really depends on situation. As seen in ep 16, Barou conceded a goal cause of his egoism. But Ichigo scored a goal cause of it. so it really depends. but the show is great
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If all the team is playing shit, and 1 player plays amazing it won't matter there's a ton of matches that ended in heavy loses where there's one superstar in the team like Barcelona and the Messi saga against Bayern Munich where all the defense focuses on him alone knowing he's the best player on the field and a lot of games he couldn't score because his teammates were average at best on some of the matches. But if the whole team is great you can comeback in games, you can have stops, freekicks and open the field when facing last minutes eliminations. Having world-class defenders and world-class goalkeepers wins you titles. Only using strikers and egoism won't win you shit. If you watched the last world cup that Argentina won every player's contribution was needed to win so Imo a well around beastly built team will have more success than just egoistic playing teams. 
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MK17_2 said:
Man I’m so glad you asked cause it’s been on my mind for a while 

Ok so I used to be a serious athlete in a team sport and a lot of the time I got put down for “keeping the ball to myself” and “you need to pass, you can’t keep it” and that really fucked up my game cause I became more and more discouraged to play my hardest. I started to hesitate so others wouldn’t give me a hard time. 

I’m a big fan of sports anime and I relate a lot. The strategy stimulates me duuudeee. 

I didn’t watch anime at the time nor were did most of these sports animes exist and I wish they did and that I saw them because now I’m like wow it’s actually a damn necessary/justifiable trait for an athlete. Yes ego is extreme in blue lock but I agree with him. 

You need to be greedy and arrogant in competitive sport. Real good athletes have a massive ego but honestly I think they need to because you need to think highly of yourself in order to perform at high standards. Think about it when you (universal you) have low self esteem you’re a bit timid and it hinders your effort/potential. You feel small so you behave like you’re small. 

I wish I knew that ego and greed weren’t something to be ashamed of (in sport context) because it fuels your performance. If you wanna be the best then you need to actually believe it. Manifest that shit for yourself. But also not be a total dickhead about it that be great. 

The human ego is strong and well you need to be strong to be an athlete. Mentally and physically. 
Personally I think my game was strongest when I was being selfish because of you want something you gotta take it although team sports can be tricky. 

Thanks for the thread my dude 
Haha! no problem dude. I imagine like me, you wanted to express your thoughts for a while glad i helped you
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I don't know how anyone is taking the concept of this show this seriously. The entire thing about team sports has nothing to do with having ego equals to winning a game.
The entire point of winning as a team is to rely on your teammates with the best shot at winning in that situation. Meaning if you hv certain skills better than those on your team, and the strategy is sound, and the circumstances in the game permits so, you take that opportunity to score. It's really that simple. 

Building skill comes along with it, the confidence and pride of honing one's own abilities and that's about the part where it links back to a person's ego, as your identity is built ard a lot of things including your skillsets.

The 1st episode where it reveals the accidental loss is more than likely a miscalculation or mishap at best. It's just the protagonist's pov and the twisted sense coming from blue lock philosophy trying too hard. FYI, your teammates made mistakes in game as much as you do too.

Tbh, this is just some over-the-top concept applied in a show. 
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Butterfly_White said:
I don't know how anyone is taking the concept of this show this seriously. The entire thing about team sports has nothing to do with having ego equals to winning a game.
The entire point of winning as a team is to rely on your teammates with the best shot at winning in that situation. Meaning if you hv certain skills better than those on your team, and the strategy is sound, and the circumstances in the game permits so, you take that opportunity to score. It's really that simple. 

Building skill comes along with it, the confidence and pride of honing one's own abilities and that's about the part where it links back to a person's ego, as your identity is built ard a lot of things including your skillsets.

The 1st episode where it reveals the accidental loss is more than likely a miscalculation or mishap at best. It's just the protagonist's pov and the twisted sense coming from blue lock philosophy trying too hard. FYI, your teammates made mistakes in game as much as you do too.

Tbh, this is just some over-the-top concept applied in a show. 

Wow my bad guess I’ll just put insincere, half-assed and emotionally immature answers in forums right now.
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It's childish fantasy targeted towards shounen fans. Nothing about real football. Best strikers in the world can't carry without good teams - Lewandowski,Haaland for their nations. Football is more complicated than just passing the ball to the striker
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Very arguing. I agree with egoistical behavior, but, at the same time, there is a team. You should find a balance between these two aspects.

IfIspeak said:
It's childish fantasy targeted towards shounen fans. Nothing about real football. Best strikers in the world can't carry without good teams - Lewandowski,Haaland for their nations. Football is more complicated than just passing the ball to the striker
Not always it is a fantasy. Even the legend players sometimes make faults, we all know this.
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I think a lot of people is confused in this thread. Blue Lock project is not about creating the best team. It is about creating the best striker. It does not say "the whole team should be egoists". It does not undermine the value of the team imo. In fact, it measures skills of the participants in different aspects. 2 winning teams (22 people) passed the first selection whereas only 3 individuals were picked from the losing teams. I would say this alone shows the team's importance.

Personally, I like it when an author has an idea and takes it to the extreme. Eyeshield 21 is another one of my favorites for example.

I don't know if the egoist philosophy is true or not. I think it wouldn't work in the real world. However, I think the author's ideas about how to nurture a skill, learn, and grow is very much real.
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Pretty much. That's why man like Messi, Ronaldo always won a lot. They become a talismanic figure in any team they always play and scored lots of goals too due to their "ego" of being the champion of their team. A lot of pressure, but they thrive in it.

I also agree pretty much about teamwork as put by the series with exception if they have a charismatic brain master beside them with an ego and desire of winning like Mourinho and Pep

Tldr, I agree pretty much with their philosophy because what they want to achieve is not participation in world cup award but a chance to win world cup, the most glorious cup in football world, and they never can win it just by teamwork, if not holland total football may won it many times
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It is a childish philosophy. Football is a team sport for a reason.
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The premise is ridiculous. Football is a team sport, a striker can't score by themselves. The field is too big to maintain the ball, feint everyone else and reach the net. This should be obvious. Great players like Ronaldo do have a bit of a tendency to keep the ball, but they still understand they can't play alone and that they, alone, do not make or break a team. Most goals are attained through teamwork. That said, I guess this is ok enough if you suspend your disbelief🙄 Football is just THE sport where the mentality they are foisting on the kids DOESN'T work xD
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