Crunchyroll is censoring even subtitles now!

You're saying that like it makes them look better. Them selectively choosing when and when not to use any type of female terminology when it's clearly being used in Japanese isn't a good thing. That just makes them retarded instead of showcasing an agenda lol.

And all of them are very inconvenient. 

At least you agree that they have no agenda and no problems with gender. 

Just shows how all this controversy is dumb and all because of a small disagreement over a few lines. 
If this was a fansub nobody would've said anything.

It's not a "minor change" when every mention of the word "female" and "male" are getting censored. I don't mind liberal translators as long as the meaning and intention is conveyed, but this has reached a point where you can obviously notice that the translators are purposely censoring words. Of course, people can still get the meaning as it is implied, but the question is 'WHY do they have to go out of the way' when other companies and cr themselves (for every language other than english) are including gendered words?

Agenda or not, they're still in the wrong.

For physical releases? Yes (unless they decide to change them which is extremely unlikely)

for a blu ray encode? No. (It will probably have good subs from a fansubbing group)

This is a full sentence where the only remaining thing they have in common is the first three words. It is definitely veering into rewrite territory, especially considering how "Hair is a crucial part of our self-expression, you know" is much more formal phrasing than the casual "Hair is a girl's life".

Sasuga wa Crunchyroll. I'd expect no less.

It's not rewrite because it means the same thing based on context, just not using the direct translation. 

Rewrite would be if they are explictly trying to change the plot or story, which clearly isn't the case. 

The translations seem fine. Crunchyroll translations seem more on the liberal side, while B-Global tends to be more accurate. Translation isn't an exact science, and some will choose to be more accurate while others will be more liberal. This is really a matter of preference, for the same reasons some prefer subs to have honorifics, while others don't want it.
In the first image, the second is probably more accurate, but Crunchyroll sounds better in English although it's longer. Crunchyroll could have translated the scene in the second image differently, but they're not too far off. The third one, on the other hand, B-Global seems better. 'You're becoming more and more girly' is perfectly natural English. Crunchyroll is a little too liberal in this instance.

The Crunchy sub for this series is not as bad as people make it out to be. You want bad subs? Look at Hi-Dive and how they're doing subs with Spy Classroom. There's liberal subs and there's HiDive's
"She think she's better because she knows she is better" meme subs (and no, the character never actually said that, as i explained in the discussion thread).

The extent of the context at this point is "hair", as if the only remaining similarity is the subject itself. Otherwise, it isn't a translation at all. It's formally worded, lacks gender specificity, and arbitrarily extended the length of a short line with words that just weren't present at all in the original line. Keep in mind I also said "veering into rewrite territory", as in it would be bad for a translation to even approach it, which this one certainly does.

Seems to be a bit ideologically motivated, unfortunately. It's not just the case that they left out what's implied and they did it because it looks better. The other screenshots aren't conclusive but corraborating with this one I reposted I'm leaning towards "it is ideological." Such behaviour kills a tiny part of the charm of the show, but fortunately most understand what's being said in the context after a while as most've picked words like onna, kami etc by the time they're watching these sort of shows, so not a big nuisance in this medium. Manga's a different story altogether pero~


EDIT: let me further add that it could also be the subber feeling responsible for any adverse reactions that could arise from the crunchyroll audience hearing lines like "after all, hair is a girl's life". THey might be fine with that line on their own but may be feeling responsible as a company employee to tone it down based on their perception of the audience's reaction. Them not accpeting gender is a bit out there, they'll still use for example to say "the boys are playing football in the field, so the girl's baseball team need to wait till the evening"

Lol groomers I swear. 

You have people with LGBTQJKSDFHJKSDHF+++ in their profiles, blue hair, profess radical gender denying ideologies...  "Oh, it's just a coincidence that they removed the gender, and language doesn't always translate 1:1, and it's not really political, but those incels are being mean..."

So transparent.  You aren't fooling anyone.  Bunch of degenerate freaks.

I can't speak to this point myself since, again, I'm not watching the show. But the user MadanielFL in this thread has already mentioned that there have indeed been several instances in the CR subs where they do mention sex/gender (so it wouldn't be "every mention" that's being omitted like you're saying), and I have yet to see you, OP, or others refute his point. I've only seen y'all deflect and go: "I'm not talking to you anymore."

So, is he right or is he wrong? Has the CR translation actually said the words "boy" or "girl" before or not? 'Cause if it has, then what the hell is the problem here?

MadanielFL is a Crunchyroll employee.

My subtitle language doesn't seems impacted by that either.
It probably happen when the translator in charge is someone woke, and since country who speak english seem to have the most woke people... But yeah crunchyroll should not give so much freedom to their translator.

For the people saying "it's just a minor change" I mean the anime itself is about a boy who become a girl, it's just weird to censor the word girl when it's the theme of the show just because the translator come with his ideology of "hhuhu there is no such thing has sit like a girl".

MadanielFL is known throughout the site for being a paid crunchyroll shill. It's nothing new, literally whenever anything negative about cr is being said, you can see him defending Cr with all his life. Which is why many of us don't wish to discuss with him as he has a financial return whenever he defends Cr.

Also, my point stands because whenever "girl" is being used for anything feminine, it's censored. It's not just the mere usage of 'boy' and girl 'but also the context in which the said words are being censored. I've provided three example where 'girl' and 'feminine' is censored and phrased in a more general way. You do not see this in Crunchyroll's own releases in languages other than english. Also, MadanielFL is ignoring context, it's simply not about the iteration of the said word, but about the censorship in the specified context. Several users with proficiency in Japanese have also commented on this. A few times is fine, but if you see this so many times then it can't be helped, but to label it as intentional inaccuracies

Because I was annoyed by this whole discussion I did a quick count of how often the word boy or girl appear in the subs in one form or another:
Episode 1: 7x girl, 1x boy
Episode 2: 3x girl
Episode 3: 3x girl
Episode 4: 9x girl, 3x boy

even more reason why you shouldn't use crunchyroll.

Also, my point stands because whenever "girl" is being used for anything feminine, it's censored. It's not just the mere usage of 'boy' and girl 'but also the context in which the said words are being censored. I've provided three example where 'girl' and 'feminine' is censored and phrased in a more general way. You do not see this in Crunchyroll's own releases in languages other than English. It's simply not about the iteration of the said word, but about the censorship in the specified context. Several users with proficiency in Japanese have also commented on this. A few times is fine, but if you see this so many times then it can't be helped, but to label it as intentional inaccuracies

Perhaps he's just confused and unable to put the notions in his head into words. He might mean they're getting rid of mentioning some activity as belonging to a gender or mention someone doing something which is attributed to a gender. Might mean erasing the genders in that context in all cases, unless he has specifically claimed in this thread that the words themselves don't occur. Not making a claim on either since I haven't read all his messages.

Joined: Jan 2023, account only made to shill for Crunchy, I wonder who is behind this post :^)

If anything, I'm calling out CR. How am I a shill for Cr

itt: orange man company bad

someone noted that the subs mentions the words girl and boy several times in each episode. this whole thing seems like a non-issue and blown out of proportion. i mean, i would be the last person to defend Crunchy, but come on people.

Basically just trying to put the confederate/GOP as the villain and them driving forward an all female narrative similiar to what Hollywood is doing. What is ironic is hating on a show with many females but one male mc can be considered sexist towards women.

Obe day Crunchyroll will remove shows from its catalogue that they deem "misognystic" like fire force and fund a studio to make another high guardian spice

Look, Chrunchyroll is shit, but this is like, a non-issue. It's almost like you can't connect 2 and 2 to infer the context of what they are saying.

The first pic is basically no different when you get the context. In the other two I agree that it loses the joke by erasing that it is not saying that he is doing it like a girl when that is the point of the joke, but the first one? It is basically more formal way to say the other one lol.

Ok. That sucks.

Are my local pirate sites taking subs from CR or elsewhere?

Otherwise, time to speedrun learning a language.

Sad but true. A part of me honestly believes HGS was a huge social experiment to see where the majority of the anime community lies in their acceptance of woke bullshit. I’m glad it was ridiculed appropriately. Though this probably won’t stop cr from trying again in the future once things have regressed further over here.

there are platforms where different subs are available so make sure to check them out

it's not a minor issue when you realize that it's only for the english release. 

I like how even people who don't like Crunchyroll know this controversy is dumb

Yes

Examples being? 
I asked for it, you never answered it. 

I like how they "censor" the word girl yet the same subs still uses the word girl many times. 
But yeah we don't talk about that...

Ironic considering Fire Force was funded by Funimation, and season 3 is coming, so i can't wait for when it comes out that it was co-produced by Crunchyroll now that the two have merged....

I think that all of you deserve that just for pay to watch anime. Hurray to piracy!

Pirate sites need legal streaming to provide them with same day subs. 
If all legal services were to die, even pirates would be significantly affected. 

And I find funny how pirate makes fun of people for supporting the industry. 
After all, REAL anime fans would never do something so stupid like supporting the industry...

People really still believe their CR subscription supports the industry LMAO.

I like how you ignored my message explaining the significance of the context in which they were censored. You're looking at it quite superficially as it's not about counting the number of times itt was said but rather the context behind it each time which is why I specifically chose those three frames

Really, do you really think that the japaneses studios care what the western audience think about anime? Answer: no, they don't care. The money of the western audience is just a bonus.

Your money is just to finance the Crunchyroll. Piracy always existed in the internet, especially with anime. And no, they don't need the Crunchyroll existence to survive.

I think Funimation only licensed Fire Force but not fund it. But Crunchyroll's own staff has slandered Fire Force https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEku_xDH1_4. R/anime is going to create a massive hate train when Fire Force season 3 comes out just like what they did with Shield Hero. Twitter used to be the culprit but thankfully elon musk took over.
Woke sjws are not going to stop until every show becomes an all female yuri show.
Truthfully, I think Crunchyroll does little to help shows that aren't AOT, KnY, MHA, Chainsaw Man or Spy X Family. They pretty much stepped out of the blu ray market unless it is a shonen show.

thank you for admitting that you're a crunchyroll employee

he's not a crunchyroll employee. NPC crunchroll employees hate Tokyo Revengers with a passion for its treatment of women and masculinity

It's crazy really. I remember when CR bragged about their studio getting a makeover with a ton of additions to it before. Cost a couple thousand iirc. A couple thousand that could have gone to the anime companies the CR shills try to tell us they "help".

I mean, if anything, that makes it even MORE of a minor issue, not the other way around.

And then there's High Guardian Spice, a dogshit show no one asked for and one that was definitely funded by subscription revenue despite what they try and tell you lol.

Ah yes because co-producing anime is definetly not supporting the industry LMAO

Oh but this has been proven false already, the CEO of Kadokawa even said himself that they look at overseas streaming numbers to determine how well each title did.

And the President of Wit Studio and Production I.G. said himself that overseas streaming has helped increase their revenues and change the indsutry overall for the better.

"Your money is just to finance the Crunchyroll" this is also false, after all Crunchyroll has helped produce many anime, and ever since 2015 they have invested in the production of over 100 anime. 
And no I didn't say they needed them to survive, you are putting words in my mouth, I just said that they support the industry, and no matter how much you hate them, you can't deny that it's true. 

Fire Force was very much co-produced by Funimation, I mean even the CEO of Funimation was credited for Planning (企画) in the opening credits.

And there is even an article by Funimation themselves confirming this
Also this fact caused quite a bit of controversy here in MAL itself.

I'd agree that there are some worrying trends of gender/female erasure out there, like how one can read an entire article about anti-abortion laws at some progressive news sites and get 0 results for "women" with CTRL+F. But this latest clickbait nontroversy seems like yet another example of the anime viewerbase calling any subbing decisions they don't like "censorship." Heaven forbid a gender-bender show where a little girl who still uses masculine speech and (sometimes?) thinks of herself as a 20something man have any gender-ambiguous language in its subtitles.


Moving the goalposts. Your original post didn't mention "context" at all, while claiming they'd "decided to erase gender words" or "removed gendered language." And even in context, what would you call this?



From ep 04, after Mihari catches Mahiro doing some Precure-esque Magical Girl attacks and poses. That certainly seems like "girl" being used for something feminine. Or there's this, from the same ep 02:



Yet of all the subtitle scripts I checked out for eps 02 and 04, none of them were identifiable as actual, from-scratch fan translations. Nearly all were straight from CR, without any corrections of alleged censorship or "wokeness." The only exceptions were the B-Global/Bilibili ones with questionable/broken English like "Girl's sitting posture" or "How about the stomach? Did you feel like an upset stomach?"

It's like you're permanently glued to their shaft lol. This is embarrassing 

It's embarrassing how you can't even prove me wrong lol 

"I can't believe that people actually think Crunchyroll supports the industry LMAO" 

*proof that they do support the indsutry 

"It's like you're permanently glued to their shaft"

You don't even try to...

They literally objectively don't though. They make no difference. Every anime you say they helped make would still have been created without them. If they disappeared tomorrow absolutely nothing would change.

Crunchyroll doesn't censor it, it gets subtitles that way from Japan. Japan often already delivers censored anime to other countries so as not to cause problems.

Also not true, the Kadokawa producer for Shield Hero confirmed that it was Crunchyroll's idea to make an adaptation of Shield Hero.

And whether or not the show would still be made if it wasn't by Crunchyroll doesn't matter. 
My point is that they DO SUPPORT the industry because they quite literally INVEST in the production of anime. 

No matter how much you hate them you can't deny that is true. 

So, it's just as I thought. This is yet another typical case of grass-deprived reactionaries crying "Pickles!" at their nothingburger. Zalis' post (#98) up there also made that abundantly clear.

Anyway, thanks for looking that up for me; Lord knows I wouldn't have the time, patience, or willpower to do it myself. Now I can stop wasting my time on this brainrot thread, lol.