Crunchyroll is censoring even subtitles now!

It seems the translator got the message and translated the last episode correctly. And lol the @ idiots defending the objectively incorrect translation for that episode. Every single language used a variation of "You are sitting like a girl" except english crunchyroll.  There is absolutely no excuse to not translate it like that, the translator clearly avoided the word "girl" for political reasons.

crunchyroll makes the subtitles, it doesn't get them from anywhere so it is cr's fault

If they avoided using the word girl for political reasons, then why did they use the word girl in the sub for the SAME episode? 

Correction, the answer would be yes.. Japanese animation studios and publishers very much care what overseas viewers think about Japanese animation.. Consider reading interviews with studio presidents and publisher leadership once in a while.. Also, not sure why your focus is specifically on "western audiences".. Japanese animation is viewed by audiences from all around the world..


It is not.. Some Japanese animated productions are greenlit specifically because leadership believes it would appeal to overseas viewers or because their numbers showed it performed well among overseas viewers..

I have no issues with CR localizing subtitles for an American audience, no one is forcing you to get your anime from CR. I don't agree with adding blatantly political viewpoints in sub/dub, because that's not localizing, it's just injecting your own political views, when it is simply uncalled for. However, I don't feel the same about minor changes to some of the more dated/sexist language used in anime, there's nothing wrong with subtle changes that can make the content more palatable to American sensibilities. 

wouldn't expect anything more from crunchyroll tbh

Piracy bros are just winning this year due to Crunchyroll trying to be a censorship bureau.  Don't give them a cent.

Still trying to find the censorship here. 

Like if they were to remove every mention of the word "girl" then it would be censorship, but that's clearly not the case. 

So care to explain what exactly Crunchyroll is censoring in the Onimai subs? 
Because "gender" isn't one of them

I see. But Fire Force was a best selling manga in japan already so that was largely the more important factor. Not to mention light novel series that are more or less backed by fan support of blu rays, figures, gacha etc.

They still need to get the people they are associated with in check like their anitube creators. Mother's Basement smears half their catalogue, especially ones with male mcs.  Why is that npc writer allowed to work for Crunchyroll who constantly smears Fire Force, Shield Hero? All of it is still to put on a public liberal image. Why does crunchyroll exclude so many light novel shows from their anime of the year awards. It is because they deem the show against their narrative, often without watching them. If Crunchyroll hates so much of their shows, I much rather they go to hidive, so Japanese creators can dissassociate with the toxic liberal agenda of Crunchyroll. There is no space on earth now where you can enjoy anime without some npc complaining about male mcs and ecchi and people labelling dislike for some all female yuri/bait bs to be hate speech.

Crunchyroll, r/anime, mal, ann, crunchyroll affiliated anitube are no longer trusted anime news outlets but a social justice propaganda machine. In 20 years, having a straight male animated character will be considered hate speech against women, lgbtq, etc.

And here i thought people on MAL forums couldn't get any dumber and yet, there you are crying about "mistranslation" when the subs and what's being said mean exactly the same thing. Never change weebs.

I guess this is the second time seeing this forum on here about Onimai's subtitles.

Look I don't like crunchyroll either but this whole forum is insane. People are too addicted to drama.

This is why I love these forums.

Only on this site will you find a thread with over 110 posts bitching about something as meaningless as slightly altered subtitles.

Thanks for the laugh, y'all. I appreciate it.

I don't see an issue here both set of pictures have bad and good lines. For example:

If you look at the first set of pictures, neither one of the subtitles are good. 
On the left side (presumably Chrunchyroll) the line is way to wordy and sounds nothing like what an actual person would ever say, it's like the translator used Thesaurus to make themselves sound smarter than he/she is.
On the right side (presumably fansub??) you can easily say that the line is either sexist or comes from outdated stereotypes because: No, hair are not a girls life. Girls/women have a lot more they value in their lives than their hair and they also don't die if you cut their hair. 
So where is the outrage there? And if that is exactly what is said in Japanese then whoever wrote the dialog should be more careful. 

In the second set of pictures the left side (CR) has the better dialog because it sounds natural compared to the right side's "Girl's sitting posture"

And in the last set of pictures, they are both fine. 

So yeah,  I really don't see an issue here. 
Not to mention, no subs will ever be 100% the way you like them to be. 

I agree that it doesn't have to be 1:1 and no one is saying it does. The part you mentioned "Girl's sitting posture" I can give it a pass for how they changed the translation. But the hair translation is just blatantly wrong and dishonest. Why would someone at CR translate a simple sentence "Hair is a girl's life" to something like "self expression"? If they're not doing it intentionally then they need to do a better job at it. 

It's only a matter of time before they start censoring the odd subtitles too

That's what you get when you hire activists/wahmen/bipoc's and not real translators. 

And that's also what you get for supporting such a woke POS company like CR. Plain and simple. Stop paying them and the problem will get fixed.

and that, moralfriends, is why i refuse to pay for anime. piracy is a victimless crime.

Some of y'all (and by that I mean about 2/3rds of this thread deflecting, cherry picking, fearmongering and using ad hominems and meaningless buzzwords like it's your catchphrase to try to prove a point) need to chill instead of having hate boners for anime subs.

You can easily understand what's being said. The meaning is the same. It didn't disrupt the flow or context of the conversation. It's just different wording.

"Give me that blue umbrella" and "Give me that umbrella that is of a semi-dark marine blue colour shade" mean the exact same when it comes to making subtitles and is the case here. Literally nothing to get this comically upset and pissy about.

Out of all the reasons someone would pirate anime, this one might be one of the worst.

consider learning about meow-in-japanese website

you know this thread is dumb when you have some of the people here complaining about liberal subs when they themselves hate subs and prefer dubs in the first place. you know, the version that's even further from the original.

You are very big into that whole culture war thing huh...

Hidive isn't "safe" either, the anime pirates on Twitter specially hate one of their translators. 

If anything it's Crunchyroll who is the less woke considering the amount of "controversial" shows they have helped produce, not to mention all the uncensored anime on their platform that make "woke" people mad. 

Legit anime criticism is more or less dead, and everything is about what fits the "narrative" now. Anime community hasn't had its g*mergate yet which is why we don't have a channel like the quartering for anime. Biggest ones are like yellowflash, hero hei, rev says desu.
Mal is pro "woke" but isn't ban/censor happy as reddit, where most of the users on this thread will probably get banned from r/anime and get flagged for "hate speech".
 
Everything online is more or less the culture war. Rotten Tomatoes critics vs audience is basically left vs right. The people complaing about censored anime and the ones hating every show that isn't some all female yuri show have to be different.

I do agree that Hidive isn't perfectly safe, but they are more open as a smaller platform for "controversial" content. Heck they even advertise ecchi and uncensored anime to get people on their platform.
Crunchyroll unfortunately has become like disney. Once one company has a monopoly, they can more or less dictate the narrative since they don't have competition. It happened to Tumblr so creators went to only fans and now only fans is changing what they do. CR banned any NSFW on rightstuf, no longer stream anything uncensored, produced high guardian spice, only pick shows that fit their narrative for their awards, parnter with creators that smear shows that don't fir their narrative.

But the culture war is important topic. In 20 years from now with the way things are going, just questioning something like gender or sexuality can land people in jail.

Honestly even that sentence I would give a pass and again out of the same reason. When you do a translation you ask yourself what is the intention that you want to communicate in that scene? What does "hair is a girl's life" mean? I'm not an English native speaker, but is that an idiom people actually use? So, why is hair a girl's life? What does that idiom mean? For me personally it would circle right back to that it is a form of self expression. How you style your hair in a similar vein to the clothes you choose to wear is an expression/a statement of who you are.

I personally would have avoided using "hair is a girl's life", but you tend to avoid using phrases that you're not sure about when translating into a language that's only your second or third language you learnt.

Cr did not ban NSFW from Rightstuff, there's still a lot of NSFW things that you can buy from there like the Interspecies Reviewers manga and the World's End Harem manga. 

Also Crunchyroll continues to stream uncensored anime, most recent one was Isekai Meikyuu, and they also did a uncensored simulcast of Shin IkkiTousen not to long ago. 
HGS was 4 years ago, and the team behind that show doens't even work at Cr anymore, and ever since then, they have co-produced a bunch of anime which includes stuff like Isekai Meikyuu and Shield Hero.

"only pick shows that fit their narrative for their awards" I mean if it was like that, then they would've never licensed World's End Harem, Onimai, etc...

Simple solution for this - Yo ho yo ho

In my case this is out. It's not difficult to understand what the sentence mean. I'm saying this as someone who's learning English and Japanese, and I can understand the meaning just fine. 

I'm oversimplifying this, but for example, when an anime character says "oboetenai" it literally translates to "(I) don't remember". This can be translated to "nothing rings a bell" or "I forgot". While the word "forget" may seem close to "not remember", it doesn't really convey the original meaning, because why translate it to "forget" when "not remember" is possible? 

Of course when dealing with idioms or sayings or expressions things will be treated differently. "Jigou jitoku" has the English equivalent that is "what goes around comes around". 

Yeah, if I were to do a fansub I probably would take a take-it-or-leave-it approach even if I were not 100% percent sure that the expression or phrase is proper English. But imagine you're doing a translation in a professional setting. When I have to do a translation for my work (in IT) such cases would be exactly the ones where I would go to a native-speaking colleague to get their input. But I don't know if that's a thing with Crunchyroll. Do they have editors for subtitle work? You just don't use expressions that you're not familiar with and try to say in another way because it's not only a case of if that expression actually exists and is proper English but also what are the implications, connotations and what is the register (is it formal, informal, neutral), etc. That's difficult to gauge if you're not familiar with an expression.

At this point I'm surprised people don't complain about translators not awkwardly directly translating Japanese sentence structures into English. 

Both of those translations mean the same thing anyway, just because meaning was implied rather than being yelled, doesn't mean it isn't there. 

Learning Japanese takes years
fansubs aren't legal not everyone like pirating and as they said sometimes shows aren't picked up

I am not watching this show (or any seasonals for a while for that matter), but I want to say that I have a neutral stance on this.

For one thing, it's already pretty well known for many years that Crunchyroll's subtitles aren't the best. I dunno if they're still doing that thing where they upload subtitled new anime an hour after it airs in Japan, but if they do, then it's likely they're still rushing out subtitles to keep up that selling point; I think most people here know what their JoJo subtitles are like and how they change up names, which they kinda do for other anime, like the Ace Attorney anime (they changed all the Japanese names to what they're called in the English versions of the original games) and Yu-Gi-Oh... for the latter, apparently (from what I read on fans' comments on the episode pages) part of their deal for licensing Yu-Gi-Oh was that they had to localize all the card names into what they're known as in the English version of the real life trading card game, which is a bit funny whenever you hear the characters clearly saying different names... though they also messed up a few times where they put the English dubbed names of some characters instead of their original names (in one of the first few episodes, I wanna say ep 3, they accidentally put "Joey" instead of "Jounouchi", and in a Battle City episode they accidentally put "Odion" instead of "Rishido", which confused the hell out of me since I never saw the dub nor recognized that name). Many of these episodes have been uploaded many years ago and they still don't have issues like that or even technical things like glitched video/audio fixed, so there's clearly bound to be some mistakes somewhere.

That being said, I still kinda agree with the following posts:

Translator's notes for manga licensed in English by Del Rey/Kodansha Comics USA often note something along the lines of "translating Japanese is more of an art than a science", and that it's likely that no two translators will translate one phrase the same way. My Japanese is obviously nowhere near even basic reading level, but I personally feel a bit mixed about this; sometimes I feel translations could be fine translated as-is, and sometimes localization and/or word rearrangement for better context/grammar may be necessary.

Again, I am not watching this show, but based on these pictures I dunno if the changed implications here are really that big of a deal. Sure, you can argue that there's no mention of "girl" here cuz of politically motivated reasoning, and I honestly wouldn't feel compelled to disagree because, well, that'd sound right in character for a modern American company... but I mean... you can still figure out what the character means by what they're saying there, right? It's like that fansubber said that someone screenshotted and posted over here: if you use your brain, you can work out hidden meanings from basic implications. Whether or not they used the other translation OP provided here, you should still get the same idea regardless.

Especially if you're learning Japanese like I and Yuu_Kanzaki are, which in that case even if you have a middling amount of Japanese knowledge, you might actually be able to point out differences from the subtitles and the actual audio. Sure, it does unfortunately mean that some will be left out from that kind of advantage—I mean, Japanese isn't the hardest language in the world at least until you get to kanji and numerical terms and "giving and receiving" words, but I won't deny that people do have a bit of hard time with it and do drop out of Japanese classes—but at least you can sleep at night knowing that you might have a better idea of the characters are saying, and maybe add even more to your growing language skills from recognizing dialogue.


tl;dr start learning japanese for yourselves instead of crying over subs online weeaboos



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I guess that's why I've stayed for 4 years at this point lol

Oniichan wa Oshimai! is unapologetic trash. Its doesn't deserve more authentic translation.

Crunchyroll a long long time ago used to actually use asterisks in their subs
So I'm not surprised

I'd understand more these "worries" over translation if this was like a novel, but this isn't, it's a tv show. You have screen too for the context so you aren't only dependent on subtitles, and believe me these are far from bad subtitles (hello netflix Madoka subs that translated Mami's name as mother).

Also is it just me but first thing I imagine if someone says sitting like a girl/lady is the posture you'd have if you wore skirt/dress and you don't wanna flash your underwear. Legs together or legs crossed.

uh,I was asked to forward this call to you, buddy.

It's stupid how far they're taking this, I see no point on doing this you're not really getting anything

Crunchyroll wants kids to grow up without balls and want all men castrated..
Thats the only explanation.. They wanna sissify the males

What a sad time to be alive I wish I was born 20 years earlier.

Cringeyroll creates controversy with everything they touch. Time to enhance my JP level.

I understand the general concern for subtitles being censored as it could ruin the meaning/interpretation of the anime- but it's also just not that big of a deal in this case. The subtitles convey the EXACT same message as the original. If it changed a bit more drastically then I'd definitely understand some backlash- but to me this just seems like any old translation. Now it seems op isnt mad and rather concerned so I'm not calling them out- but the only people genuinely pissed at this are some fedora tipping guys in their moms basement who can't handle the 'lIbErAl PrOpOgAnDa' that's oh so present now a days and need somewhere to project that.

I expected no better lmao. This action is sooooo Crunchyroll-like

I got a chuckle with this comment "cringeyroll" lol. As for the topic there's always better options such as learning Japanese or waiting for fan subs.

Mr patrick basedman would like to say something to you

This name fits them better XD

Exactly, this just serves as an incentive for me. So that in the future I can sub them. They know JP is a language few people speak outside Japan, so they modify it just like it pleases them.

Time to focus on improving my Japanese lol

cant even escape western propaganda by watching anime nowadays 

At least Bilibili tried to translate it more closely. It seems like Trashyroll is manipulating instead of translating.

"Rome was wasn't built in a day" I wonder what Basedman meant by this.

Thankfully I don't pay for this shit