Crunchyroll is censoring even subtitles now!

Most of you have probably heard about CR censoring certain scenes in episode 1 and 2 of Onimai : I'm your sister now! , but that's not where this ends! Crunchyroll is now even censoring subtitles as in episode 2 of Onimai: I'm your sister now!

For whatever reason, CR has removed gendered language from Onimai's english subtitles. Many watchers with proficiency in Japanese pointed out that CR's translations were blatantly inaccurate and even B-Global and other fan translations tried to correct it. The biggest irony is that CR themselves used the word 'girl' and 'boy' in their Spanish and other language releases. It looks like they decided to erase gender words only from their English release. 







This brings me to the second part which I would like to address - The quality control. The person who worked on this has openly admitted to self insert into the anime and is responsible for the rather questionable changes.





The translator admitted not having any prior experience yet the translator was offered the job and even allowed to make changes which were totally not needed. So what do you think about crunchyroll deciding to remove gendered words when they were very much present in the Japanese version as well as every other version of this show other than their own? And also about the quality control at their company?

When many people pointed this out on twitter, the Translator locked their twitter account

Hmm yeah... It's kinda ridiculous.

Cruncyhroll bad.. as always.

anyways I don't use subtitles so this doesn't affect me muahahaha

go learn japanese.

Censoring gendered language? We did it boys folks, we curbed the rampant non-binary suicide rate.

I don't care, I don't pay for CR, let the subscribers think about this shit.

i wouldn't expect any less of crunchyroll.

This show really is a magnet for controversy. Also,

Anime, Manga, LN, whatever it is, we need legal platforms that work more professionally than CR.

What is your solution and why wasn't it in the original post? The predicted response is, 
"I thought it make an interesting topic for discussion."
But you only regurgitated pre-established facts. 
Do you watch the show?
How do you feel about this censorship?
Why should anyone care about this if they don't watch the show?
Are you aware of the "Maybe it's my period." edit in the Ghost in the Shell movies?
It's almost like you didn't take a stance and waited for others to do so first.

Foo Fighters from Stone Ocean: "First time?"
Anastasia tho

Haven't seen the anime in question. but if it's all along the lines of the examples shown in the pictures then this is a big nothing burger. Just the usual difference between literal and liberal translation.

As a translator you usually don't just translate 1:1 what's being said. That wouldn't result in anything resembling even passable English. You try to convey the meaning or intention behind a scene and try to make it sound like a natural conversation. Choosing the right register, etc.

In this example "Girl's sitting posture" is clunky as fuck.

every day I wake up, looking for excuse to watch anime legally as soon as I have the money, and every day I get reminded why I cancelled my subscription, not because the pirate sites had more shows, but because they functioned better.

It's not even about this being a literal vs liberal translation debate. I know what your point is and I agree about that, translations don't always have to be 1:1, but my point in this post is that cr has totally censored gendered words, for instance, "You're even dressing differently" rather than "You're even dressing up like a girl". As for "girl's sitting posture" sounding awful, that's B-global for you, they have a reputation for this, but at least they're not censoring the gendered words. 

Solution : Spread awareness so that more people realize what's happening

> But you only regurgitated pre-established facts. 

Facts which most didn't even know

> Do you watch the show?
Caught up

Even worse is them putting the word "like" in every teenage sentence making Japanese teenagers look like vapid airheaded American teenagers.

Ogawa,0,0,0,,How are you, like, so calm?!
Ogawa,0,0,0,,You should, like, apologize right now!
Tomo,0,0,0,,It's okay.
Tomo,0,0,0,,If he comes after any of us,\N it'll probably be me.
Tomo,0,0,0,,And if he does try anything \Nwith you two, I'll protect you.
Tomo,0,0,0,,Don't worry.
Mifune,0,0,0,,Seriously, what the hell is with that?!
Ogawa,0,0,0,,She's so, like, manly!

Translator is doing a poor job and has a bad attitude about it.

Do you think these subtitles are the ones that'll get released on Blu-Ray ?
Not interested in this particular show but wondering if I should be cautious for my future buyings.

"MOM!! The non-gendered subtitles scare me!"

That's Crunchyroll for you. They're like the MangaGamer parallel for anime. It's not difficult to just translate a line properly. If you're veering into rewrite territory or shoving stupid memes into sentences that didn't have them in Japanese, then you're doing a terrible job.

Imagine still using Crunchyroll lmao.

From what I remember they don't pay well so it's not exactly surprising you sometimes get a gender abolitionist freak translate some garbage anime. 

In this case I wouldn't say any meaning is lost though. 

You don't have other options.
B global is just as worse. but for other reasons.
Fansubbing groups may or may not pick it up. And they're slow for weekly shows

Crunchyroll is also adding in "conservatives" all over subtitles like in Magical Revolution Otome game. especially describing villains

Harassing them and sending death threats is disgusting, those fans need to be held accountable. Still, my concerns remain and something should be done (like quality checks by the company themselves) rather than fans taking things into their own hands and acting so disgustingly towards someone

What a fucking surprise...

character limit

I still think you're blowing this way out of proportion. So you disagree with a certain translation choices in the subtitles. Big fucking deal. Happens to me all the time - be it with more general things like honorifics or disagreeing how certain words or phrases are translated. Know how I solve this little conundrum for myself? Demux the subtitle, edit what I don't like and move on. Takes about 5 seconds. No need to get one's panties in a knot.

Excuse me? No other options for Crunchy? There are plenty. No other options for subtitle? Either learn Japanese or wait for a dub or fansub.

because here in the US, gender is slowly being erased. give it 5-10 years we wont be allowed to say anything against it without real life consequence..  and in 20-50 years there might not be anyone left to actually defend the  biological reality of our species. its already happening to doctors and phycologists actually. and here, we see it slowly seep into anime as it becomes more mainstream.  it seems like no big deal  but in the grand scheme of things we are mega screwed. not much we can really do about it as people who say stuff like this are already branded as conspiracy theorists and shewed off the internet.. im glad people over here and on youtube as well are speaking out against it and spreading awareness. 

You could of done like 100 anki cards in the time you spent making this post about not knowing Japanese. EOPs are fucking doomed.

not surprised.. as anime becomes more mainstream this will likely only get worse.. guess its time to pick up learning Japanese again lmao

They did not get harassment or death threats. They just couldn't handle criticism or being in the wrong. "mUh InCeLs"

This is actually the biggest non-issue thing of all time. 
You can literally infer from context what they are saying, just because they don't explicitly mention the gender doesn't mean that they are trying to "erase the gender", after all no English speaker ever says "Girl's sitting posture" that simply isn't a thing. 
I could also provide tons of examples where the Cr sub for Onimai did mention the genders.

And it's funny how even fansubbers agree that this "controversy" is dumb



(this guy was basically the backbone of anime fansubs for 20 years, and he had been making fansubs ever since the time when watching anime legally was impossible)

How were they in the wrong tho? 

Was there anything in their translation that was even blantly wrong? 

Is not like they randomly translated a phrase to something that didn't make sense. 

Not a fan of CR, but I'll play Devil's Advocate here for a second and say that I'm pretty sure CR themselves don't actually censor any visuals in their simulcasting catalogue. They're just streaming the Japanese broadcast versions of shows, which are already censored by default.

Most ecchi genre connoisseurs know full well that if you want the uncensored goodies, you don't bother to watch the original airing version of anything; you either wait for the AT-X broadcast, or you hunker down a few months until the Blurays come out. That's just Degeneracy 101.

On the topic of the subtitles changes, I honestly just don't have a strong opinion as I'm not watching the show, but I have to ask: does such a minor detail really matter enough to raise a stink over as long as the translation sounds more natural? I mean, those lines on the right read like game NPC dialogue.

P.D. I see you broke out the alt account for this one, OP. Scared of getting a little splashed here? :>

P.P.D.D. God, why does everyone on Twitter seem to be so fucking mad at everything, all the time? Musk cannot bankrupt that shit fast enough.

I'm glad bilibili and muse exist in my country no need to use crunchyroll anymore..giving chruncyroll/sony monopoly over anime streaming in west is bad

Absolutely disgraceful and seems quite apparent it's ideologically-motivated as per the usual in similar nonsensical cases.

I don't even watch this series nor utilize Crunchyroll as a service, so it has exactly net zero effect on me personally, but disgraceful practices like this will only continue and even be allowed to mushroom and escalate if they aren't called out vehemently and immediately on sight with full vigor. I'm actually glad people put the responsible parties under extreme fire for it as intentionally altering the meaning within the content of a series' script by these ideological activist fanatic types is one of the last things I want to see tolerated or it'll only spread like a cancerous tumor. Excise it with a vengeance. It's already curated and totalitarian enough in the media environment in the U.S. and other Western bloc countries. Don't need the neo-Puritan vigilante civilians empowered and emboldened further. 

Except this isn't even close to being "rewrite territory" 

It's not like they translated "Girl's sitting posture" into something that's completely unrelated like "feminism is based" or whatever. 

Because that's literally not what they're saying in Japanese and the subs for multiple other languages use the gender?

Because "girl's sitting posture" wouldn't be correct in English
Anyone with 2 braincells knows that direct translations don't work all the time. 

And what do you have to say about all the times that the Cr subs DOES mention the gender? 
Or you ignore those since it doesn't fit the narrative?

You're literally cherry picking, most of the other fansubbers have quite agreed that this is inaccurate. 

Yeah dude I get it, Daddy Crunchyroll can do no wrong. Sorry I said anything.

Examples being? 

Cause I can provide multiple examples of people who speak Japanese that have worked on fan-translations before saying the same thing

Oh look let me change the subject because I have no argument. 

Couldn't even answer my qustion...

B-global, a company known for it's awful mistakes is not the new standard. You're misleading everyone, I never said that have good translation or anything of that sort, but rather the fact they didn't erase the genders. That's the whole point. Cr could have included gender without making it sound awful, but they did not.

Because it's dumb as fuck. There's multiple ways you could include the gender and they chose none of them. It doesn't even have to be exactly how the fansub translated it.

"Muh incels!" "Straight men bad!" Shut the fuck up already dumbass.

But they did include the gender in multiple cases, yet you "cherry pick" one phrase and AHA look guys, WOKE Crunchyroll is ERASING the gender, and this is why I pirate anime!
Because they didn't use the word girl in a FEW cases, but let me totally ignore the other times where they DID use the word "girl"

I already know about you and because you're incapable of having a proper discussion with, I'm not going to respond to you any further as that will derail the thread and will get it locked. (You had to drag piracy into my thread when no one is even talking about it lmao, but because of you my post will probably get locked).

I pirate anime as retribution for Pearl Harbor; Crunchy Roll having bad and/or woke subtitles is irrelevant to my cause.

So again, a small disagreement on how a specific phrase should be translated, no proof that this person was actually trying to "erase the gender" 

And you still haven't answered my question, so let me ask it again. 

How about the multiple times where they did mention the gender? 
Please answer me that. 

Have they ever said that they hate straight people?
Or are you making things up?

Oh but people are talking about piracy alright, even before me people were mentioning fansubs, including you...