| Not be a stereotype for starters. She needs to make sense too. Bad examples: Tsundere personality that hits a male character just for existing. Good Example: An actual personality and has meaning behind hitting someone regardless of gender Bad example: A strong warrior character who looks like a bad porn star cosplayer Good example: A strong warrior who actually looks like a capable warrior |
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I tend to focus on the protagonists in such matters, as female leads characters rarely have such a deep POV. @Piromysl I'm just blown away by how much political flooding has come about just because one user rudely took the word "natural" out of context, only to turn MAL back into his tribune of virtue. |
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| The ones that make straight guys angry are the best. |
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Mirai said: The ones that make straight guys angry are the best. Too obvious joke. I hope you can do better in the future. |
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NoblesseEssentia said: Ten said: Sounds pretentious. Gender is something that affects our personality. Generalising them is the recipe for creating shallow characters.When they are written as humans first and foremost. Gender is secondary. Well, that changes when a female character is written as less than and weaker than others (males in this case) just because of her gender, right? Gender affects a person's personality because that's how society made it. That isn't generalising, that's making it equal. |
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| Ah, I see what you mean now. I guess I interpreted the question differently |
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| Well you know, the same things that make well written strong male characters. Although most strong male characters aren't all that well written either. Strength doesn't make anyone interesting. Just like uhh.. complex and interesting characters are cool enough, strength is quite subjective anyway. Edit* Shrek said that: "Ogres have layers" so why wouldn't any other characters have layers, layers are important! |
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| Strong female is one of the most overused and abused trope in western media. If you want to fit into that token character archetype, you've already failed at being well written. |
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JaniSIr said: Strong female is one of the most overused and abused trope in western media. If you want to fit into that token character archetype, you've already failed at being well written. This is not about an archetype, but about a strong-willed female character. |
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RobertBobert said: JaniSIr said: Strong female is one of the most overused and abused trope in western media. If you want to fit into that token character archetype, you've already failed at being well written. This is not about an archetype, but about a strong-willed female character. Okay that makes more sense. I suppose the one thing that is important is that she actually has goals that she is willing to work for, instead of just being rude to everyone for no reason. Besides that anything goes, kind of the point of good writing is to not stick to recipes too closely... |
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| Every character voiced by the one and only KanaHana is a W for me. |
| "What is your recipe for a well-written strong female character?" "Recipe" and "well-written" are kind of misused here. It suggest that using pre made elements is good writing. For me the strong female characters (and for that matter the strong male characters too) should match: the story, the role those play in it and the internal rules of the fictional world were said story takes place. That's the minimum to even start considering those as well-written. |
| Clare and Teresa from claymore. corysakti said: yes, very rare and good example.tbh, i'm kinda struggle writing this "strong female character". I think i only can think one character. Thait is Ai Magase from babylon, she is not feels like man in the skirt type. but the only of this kind of character is that. It's need the viewer assumption that woman is kinda symbol of se* I mean i'm man, but i'm scared if i found character like Ai Magaase exist in RL. Thus it give really strong vibe of strong female character |
| She has to have goals and desires other than getting a man. She has flaws which she works to overcome (and isn't some Mary Sue). It's fine for her to feel fear, as long as she takes the right action despite the fear. I think that's a lot more compelling than someone who has no fear. All of this applies to a strong man as well. |
| I remember seeing some youtube video on this topic that blew up which basically made the argument that a good written female character is one that chooses the gender norms they want to engage with. And I feel like this is a deeply liberal and problematic view of gender; this idea that you can just choose what you want independent of any external influences, that these gender norms just exist and people are capable of engaging with them on a level playing field. You see this a lot in views of what makes a "well-written strong female character" - that they should just be "good characters". For a woman to be a well-written character, their gender should be obfuscated. When in actuality, I think that a well written female character in terms of being a female character is heavily contingent on how the gendered aspects of their characterization are handled. This of course runs into a lot of problems where people engaging with fictional bodies, especially anime characters, do so from a very limited framework where they either ignore or are ignorant of anime lineages and being an anime character inform and subvert more conventional aspects of gender. One of the more talked about and salient cases is of the "beautiful fighting girl" - this sort of character that is simultaneously sexualized (which is associated with being a poorly written female character) but is also wielding a lot of power and is struggling and developing. And I think that that is a very good case for a well written female character. |
| People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol |
GreyStoneFlinger said: It’s simple. Flesh out the character’s personality, show her struggle and develop as a character, and avoid fanservice. Well said, I couldn't agree more. A character's personality is important. |
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| Strong female character cannot be likable. Strong likable female is a contradiction in itself. Women like stronger men, men like weaker women. Absolutely not the other way around. Yin/Yang is part of that principle. Yang is masculine quality that attracts females. Yin is feminine quality that attracts men. (Hinata and Yin are good examples of characters with a lot of Yin-ness in them) Legend of Izanagi and Izanami is also a metaphor to that. As for good examples then: Hinata from Naruto Ikaros from Sora no Otoshimono Yin from Darker than Black Miharu from Girls Bravo are all simple to write likable characters. Use my waifu harem if you want more, though some of them are complicated and take a while to develop: For example CC from Code Geass is a very complex character that takes two full seasons of Code Geass to fully develop and fully explain to make her a best waifu possible. Beato from Umineko is even more complex than CC. |
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| Lena from 86 embodies what you need to create a well-written strong female character. Righteous qualities, hypocritical contradictions to idealism, complex views, conflicting ideologies surrounding the character, resolve, and proper development, all of which helped turn her from a weak-hearted girl with implausible dreams to one of the best female mcs in recent years. Ideally, when writing good female characters for romance or action stories, we characters need to feel human so the audience can either relate or empathize with them. They should have a mix of distinguishable good and bad qualities, unique personality traits (not cliches), goals, contradictions (the type that we see people often have), room for growth, a good backstory (if necessary or the character is meant to be fully developed from the beginning), and a good unique character design. Good and unique character design is crucial for a character to be memorable and loved by an audience. Good character design doesn't equate to fanservice-type designs, but unique designs that accentuate their writing, making them standout. |
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ThorLL said: Women like stronger men, men like weaker women. Absolutely not the other way around. Yin/Yang is part of that principle. Yang is masculine quality that attracts females. Yin is feminine quality that attracts men. (Hinata and Yin are good examples of characters with a lot of Yin-ness in them) I was going to make a joke about astrology or some shit after reading this, but then I saw that you had both your sign and an MBTI personality type listed on your profile so good job at fitting the stereotype I guess. Anyway, there are plenty of strong female characters that are widely liked, especially by men. Revy from Black Lagoon, Ryuuko and Satsuki from KLK, a large portion of the cast of F/SN. Of course, this is all dancing around the question of what actually constitutes strength and power, which are very ideological constructs. In many cases, there is a strong gendered element to it. The idea of a "strong female character" is one that exemplifies what are often seen as masculine traits - if we want to get Freudian with it, a character like Saber is empowered by her sword, what basically amounts to a symbolic phallus. Of course psychoanalysis can get pretty goofy and out there, but it does beg the question of whether or not this fear of strong women you're talking about is the manifestation of some sort of castration anxiety. |
| People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol |
| Jormungand (All of the female characters can have an individual anime made, just about them). |
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| @Mienus You try to psychoanalyze me here, but my psycho is much deeper abyss that what Nietzsche looked into. You are not doing too well. I think you are just lazy here. Freud cannot answer your every question, are you stuck in psychosexual development? 'Invisible phallos of Saber', that just could just be a catch phrase for something, not sure if that something is worth it though. I did not watch F/Sn only Fate/Zero and Grand Order, there Saber is not so much masculine, more of a confused little girl, she falls of Lancer so easily in that show lol. Archer and Rider explained this to her in the Banques of Kings (episode 10 or 12 something like that). Rider wanted to cure her, but Archer is sadistic so he wanted to watch over her in her insanity. He is stronger than her as well, thus somewhat satisfying Yin/Yang principle. I am not sure though that I would enjoy using metaphorical Gate of Babylon to tame someone like her like Archer did in the very end, once I did that as well. I am more inclined to use Sword of Ea now, metaphorically speaking. And I will admit that I like girls who suffer and struggle against some very powerful adversity. It gives me sadistic pleasure to see them struggle. I like Madoka Magica most likely for that reason, though not only for that reason alone. However if they have too much power they will win and without struggle at that. It will not be fun at all. Winning is for men after all. Look at the sexual garments available for women. Maid, nurse, school girl and so on. Thongs, stockings and garter belts are also not making girl look strong. That would give you the idea what men find attractive. Also there are different kind of favorite characters: some are waifu material, others are relatable, yet others are pitiful and there could be other reasons as well. @SofiaBulga you just say that because you want an anime about Sofia Valmer. I did not watched Jormungand but anime about Sofia would not be bad based on char description on MAL |
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| Short answer : Unpredictable and don't have generic trait |
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| There are two steps: - Well written character - She is a girl Voila. A well written female character. Works every time. Writers should try it more. |
| Just write them how you'd write male characters. The role they play, relationship with other characters, what makes them different. But most importantly to me is if you have more than 1 female character, don't make them copies of each other. |
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ThorLL said: you just say that because you want an anime about Sofia Valmer. I did not watched Jormungand but anime about Sofia would not be bad based on char description on MAL I was actually thinking about Chiquita, but Sofia is charming as are all other females in this anime. But you should really watch it, it's worth your attention, even if only for 3 episodes. |
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SofiaBulga said: ThorLL said: you just say that because you want an anime about Sofia Valmer. I did not watched Jormungand but anime about Sofia would not be bad based on char description on MAL I was actually thinking about Chiquita, but Sofia is charming as are all other females in this anime. But you should really watch it, it's worth your attention, even if only for 3 episodes. Just cause you recommend it to me? To be honest premise from synopsis does not appeal to me, but I will consider your endorsement of this show. So I might watch it after all. |
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| Someone that I can actually relate to as a girl, but with a strong personality. So as someone mentioned before, not 'a dude but with swapped gender' for sure. Casca from the beginning of Berserk comes to mind, she's really strong and reliable, but at the same time shows her feminine side a lot. But ye, if some woman is acting 'manly' then it's also fine, just try to make it realistic pls |
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| Might be something simple but having their own monologue makes me consider that they are a better written character than more generic female characters |
ThorLL said: So I might watch it after all. Thank you and hey even if you end up dropping it, at least you gave it a shot right, that's what matters. |
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PriinceYuki said: Lena from 86 embodies what you need to create a well-written strong female character. Righteous qualities, hypocritical contradictions to idealism, complex views, conflicting ideologies surrounding the character, resolve, and proper development, all of which helped turn her from a weak-hearted girl with implausible dreams to one of the best female mcs in recent years. How do I upvote a post on this site? The most important and crucial thing that makes her such a great character is that her morals, while noble, were properly challenged and put to scrutiny. Soldiers from 86 (and even her bespectacled friend) understandably accused her of virtue signalling and hypocrisy, claiming, that she is doing it only out of conscience, to satisfy her ego and in fact doesn't care about them. The big part of her character arc and developement were her morals being properly challenged, tested and eventually she made a sacrifice by disobeying a direct order for the sake of 86, saving them, allowing them to go A-WOL and being demoted as consequence, successfully proving, that she is not just all bark, no bite. I can't praise her character enough. If she would just save everyone like that without any risk or consequences, we would be dangerously close to the dreaded Mary Sue territory. |
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Aoi Sakuraba and Mahoro Ando are both very strong women, all where it counts;  |
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ThorLL said: @Mienus You try to psychoanalyze me here, but my psycho is much deeper abyss that what Nietzsche looked into. You are not doing too well. I think you are just lazy here. Freud cannot answer your every question, are you stuck in psychosexual development? 'Invisible phallos of Saber', that just could just be a catch phrase for something, not sure if that something is worth it though. I did not watch F/Sn only Fate/Zero and Grand Order, there Saber is not so much masculine, more of a confused little girl, she falls of Lancer so easily in that show lol. Archer and Rider explained this to her in the Banques of Kings (episode 10 or 12 something like that). Rider wanted to cure her, but Archer is sadistic so he wanted to watch over her in her insanity. He is stronger than her as well, thus somewhat satisfying Yin/Yang principle. I am not sure though that I would enjoy using metaphorical Gate of Babylon to tame someone like her like Archer did in the very end, once I did that as well. I am more inclined to use Sword of Ea now, metaphorically speaking. And I will admit that I like girls who suffer and struggle against some very powerful adversity. It gives me sadistic pleasure to see them struggle. I like Madoka Magica most likely for that reason, though not only for that reason alone. However if they have too much power they will win and without struggle at that. It will not be fun at all. Winning is for men after all. Look at the sexual garments available for women. Maid, nurse, school girl and so on. Thongs, stockings and garter belts are also not making girl look strong. That would give you the idea what men find attractive. Also there are different kind of favorite characters: some are waifu material, others are relatable, yet others are pitiful and there could be other reasons as well. Man, I thought that this brand of teenaged edginess died in 2009. But here you are, keeping the flame alive. Godspeed my man, godspeed. |
| People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol |
Mienus said: ThorLL said: @Mienus You try to psychoanalyze me here, but my psycho is much deeper abyss that what Nietzsche looked into. You are not doing too well. I think you are just lazy here. Freud cannot answer your every question, are you stuck in psychosexual development? 'Invisible phallos of Saber', that just could just be a catch phrase for something, not sure if that something is worth it though. I did not watch F/Sn only Fate/Zero and Grand Order, there Saber is not so much masculine, more of a confused little girl, she falls of Lancer so easily in that show lol. Archer and Rider explained this to her in the Banques of Kings (episode 10 or 12 something like that). Rider wanted to cure her, but Archer is sadistic so he wanted to watch over her in her insanity. He is stronger than her as well, thus somewhat satisfying Yin/Yang principle. I am not sure though that I would enjoy using metaphorical Gate of Babylon to tame someone like her like Archer did in the very end, once I did that as well. I am more inclined to use Sword of Ea now, metaphorically speaking. And I will admit that I like girls who suffer and struggle against some very powerful adversity. It gives me sadistic pleasure to see them struggle. I like Madoka Magica most likely for that reason, though not only for that reason alone. However if they have too much power they will win and without struggle at that. It will not be fun at all. Winning is for men after all. Look at the sexual garments available for women. Maid, nurse, school girl and so on. Thongs, stockings and garter belts are also not making girl look strong. That would give you the idea what men find attractive. Also there are different kind of favorite characters: some are waifu material, others are relatable, yet others are pitiful and there could be other reasons as well. Man, I thought that this brand of teenaged edginess died in 2009. But here you are, keeping the flame alive. Godspeed my man, godspeed. I expressing my opinions here. Who are you to deny my opinions and tastes? |
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| You shouldn't want a strong female character in the first place. A well-written female character is one that is beautiful, lovely, charming, delicate, refined, and sophisticated, and not one that has masculine qualities, such as great physical strength. Morticia from The Addams Family (1964) is a great example of a well-written female character. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
| I am not saying that females are weaker because of their gender. I am saying that weaker females will always have more appeal to man than a stronger ones. As simple as that. Female can go and be as strong as she want, but the stronger she gets the less men would be interested in her. This is the reality. No among of feminism and propaganda will change that. Men love weak woman, weaker === more likable. This is absolute truth. Well, instincts of their gender might push them to be weaker, but if they just ignore it it will not do them good. A quote from Utena; 'But so impressed she was by him that she decided to became a prince herself, but was it such a good idea?' Wake up from that nightmare of pseudo-'modern' feminism. |
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ThorLL said: I expressing my opinions here. Who are you to deny my opinions and tastes? You can have whatever opinions you want. Though you might want to buy the proper equipment necessary to have these kinds of opinions first: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008509O1I/ ColtBuntline said: By the way, feminism has always been a satanist movement made to promote the idea that the masculine way of life is the superior way of life which means freedom and power, and that therefore women should cease to live a feminine life and begin to try to live as if they were men (not wearing beautiful dresses anymore, and throwing away their privilege of staying home with their children while the men sacrifice themselves going to work to support the whole family, for example), with the illusion that they are gaining more power by doing so. So there's no reason to make a distinction between 'feminism' and 'pseudo-feminism'; Every kind of feminism is bad, as its purpose is to make women reject femininity as if it were a bad thing. Wow this thread is quickly devolving into an asylum... |
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| Why it is always about giving women one privilege or another. I say we should just load them with obligations instead and make them carry a load, a burden. I do not want to serve any woman in any capacity. I want to rule over them, command them, use them. @Mienus, right back at you, clown. |
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| People here really think, that "strong female character" means only physically strong and are taking about biology and shit LMAO |
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