[spoiler]Actual criticism...[/spoiler]

INSANELYWP said:
ok i skimmed through that block of text and can say that most-all of your critiques get fully explained/developed in the light novel. if you want any specific examples i’ll gladly tell you.

animeispeace said:
what the fck makes u think I'm reading all that

koto_amb said:


Bruh then dont comment

koto_amb said:

1. Is no one supervising this construction? Really? A hyper elite school cant afford security to ensure the safety of the students when going around an ongoing construction in case some debris fall.

MadanielFL said:
And this is why you don't stay an anime only peasant.

Pretty much all of your complains are stuff that are:
1) explained in the LN
2) Different in the LN
3) Stuff that got cut in the anime that better explains what's happening in the scene.

For example:

This "construction" quite literally doesn't exist in the LN, the scene is supposed to happen in a completely different place, this is all the anime making up a whole new place for the scene.

Ionliosite2 said:
Nice rant, just one thing, Ayanokouji has been boring since the beggning.

koto_amb said:


It sucks then, the first season was really interesting and i was looking forward to S2.

I do wanna read the LN, problems, I dont know where to find them

MadanielFL said:
There's plenty of ways you can read them.
If you wanna do it legally and support the series, you can use bookwalker or Amazon Kindle.

If you live in the US or Canada, you can buy them physically from your local bookstore, there's also ways to get them internatioanlly via Amazon or book depository.

But if you don't wanna/can't pay then you can just use pirate sites and there are plenty of those you can just look it up.

Ionliosite2 said:
Nice rant, just one thing, Ayanokouji has been boring since the beggning.

MadanielFL said:
Cause the anime completly ruined his character by giving him the personality of an ant.

koto_amb said:


One more thing, are official translations good and up to date? It has happened that I buy the LN to not feel bad and I end up reading the fan translations

Ionliosite2 said:


I know Ayanokouji's personality, I know the anime gives him even less personality than the LN did. How does it changes that he is a boring character no matter the medium?

snowwolf163 said:
They cut a lot in the anime, that's why some parts just don't seem to be connected together or worse, they just don't make sense

I'm a LN reader so I can auto fill my head with details but I guess for an anime-only, it's just too hard to piece everything together

My recommend is to read the LN since this is the case for most of LN adaptations nowadays, and COTE suffers more than others because of its genre

MadanielFL said:
Cause his character is actually different in the LN lol? Like he acts and thinks differently and also expresses way more emotions.

MadanielFL said:
The official translations are pretty good, they fixed some of the translations changes that they did in the past, so they are fine now.

But they are not up to date, the latest volume in Japan is Y2V7, and the official translation is on Y2V3, but it's not like it's gonna take that long for them to catch up.

MadanielFL said:
Cause his character is actually different in the LN lol? Like he acts and thinks differently and also expresses way more emotions.

Ionliosite2 said:
No, seeing more of the same doesn't make it different.

MadanielFL said:
That's not what I said but ok.

Ionliosite2 said:


You said he acts and thinks different, he kinda doesn't, seeing more of his thought pattern doesn't make it different aside from having a clearer POV of what is happening in his mind.

koto_amb said:


That's the issue, I see you like Fate, Shido (imo) is very liked because you can see and understand his actions. He has monologues, expressions, feelings, etc. I think ayanokoji is the same in the LN he has monologues from time to time in the anime, he most have a lot more in the LN explaining his plans
Also in this illustrations of the LN you dont need to read it to understand him https://static.zerochan.net/Youkoso.Jitsuryoku.Shijou.Shugi.no.Kyoushitsu.e%3A.2-Nensei-hen.full.2989799.jpg here you can see him surprised in the anime i bet he would be ._.

Other example in the trailer of this season you can see ayanokoji punching ryuuen and he is ._. https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/youkoso-zitsu/images/f/f5/LN_Vol_07-13.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20201201143433&path-prefix=es look at the difference with the official illustration, you see the human side of him, he is not an ant or just a a perfect know it all guy, he is a dude that is mad.

You can see ayanokoji have feelings, I dont want to talk a lot as i havent read the LN but the fact that a illustration is giving more inside of ayanokoji character than the anime... its bad really BAD

Slayer777 said:
Congratulations, you wrote an essay that no one is gonna read because no one fucking cares.

Slayer777 said:
Congratulations, you wrote an essay that no one is gonna read because no one fucking cares.

koto_amb said:
For those who wont read it, Idc, had free time and wanted to write it, its a discussion and i just gave my opinion with fundaments, its almost as if that's what an opinion and discussions are for

koto_amb said:
Im not gonna say anything about animation or the LN. Also obviously spoilers ahead. Sorry if this is a long rant I just need to get it out. And English is not my first language sorry for mistakes.

1. I haven't read the LN or manga
2. IMO animation doesn't make a show better, just easier to watch and a little tiny bit more enjoyable also the animators are overwork af leave them alone.

Now for what I dont understand. How is it possible that this has an 8.06. The first season was interesting, it proposed an interesting plot with a small look into ayanokiji's past that left you intrigue. It wasn't perfect nor groundbreaking but interesting.

S2 is just plain boring and unbearable I haven't dropped it because I have a no drop policy and the anime needs to be really really bad for me to drop. But really a +8 for this? Lets deconstruct this.

The bullying case of Kei.
IS SHE AN IDIOT? I'm serious about this. You get a mail of your "boyfriend" or friend or whoever and tells you to meet in the boiler room of a cruiser ship and to go alone... wouldn't you like... check if it really is your boyfriend or friend specially when you have students that would do anything to get some information of the test that is going on as of now and you also having past experiences with bullying. I know the plot needs to develop but dont make it so predictable and forced. This show is about suspense and mystery, I haven't experienced any of that.

Ayanokoji its now boring in S2.
You couldn't tell what he was going to do in S1 but the show gave you some clues some little things to have an idea and formulate in your head what was going to happened and because you have those clues the end result even though it could be completely different with what you had in mind it made sense. Now there are no clues, no little things now its "Is ayanokoji he is god, he knows what he is doing" That's not fun, you already know its going to be all good because he is a genius and perfect I never felt any sort of "they are in a pinch" "oh no this is bad".

And that random father interaction didn't bring anything to the plot "Oh what a surprise the teacher doesn't have a connection with him" ok and? Of what I remember the teacher was really never present, the show just basically cleared of any suspicion you could have and the school rules protect ayanokoji in the end there wasn't any sort of suspense

The sports festival, you are telling me that NOT A SINGLE AUTHORITY noticed that Suzune was being harmed on purpose but when there is a little bit of noise made between the students the teacher comes and tells everyone to calm down. Not a single authority nor medical member came to help Suzune where she had possibly a broken ankle I know the plot needs continue but dont make it so forced, the moment she started getting harmed I genuinely predicted what was going to happened... and I predicted it perfectly. We have seen authorities getting involved in this situations in the past and future (ayanokoji's father request) why didn't they check on her better. Situation wise and health wise.

Also Suzune is this genius but is she really this dumb.
The person you are suspicious of tells you the girl that targeted you from the class you are being targeted is "badly hurt"... wouldn't you bring a phone or something just in case? I've seen phones being use every time in the show. Later in S2 Suzune does this, great... SO SHE KNOWS SHE CAN DO THAT WHY NOT DO IT BEFORE. AGAIN DONT FORCE IT the plot needs to flow naturally I perfectly knew what was going to happened the moment she went to the medical room. C'mon they can do better than this.

The test thing. Not really an issue here, just predictable and without any actual stakes, if someone would have been expelled because of failing I wouldn't have cared, i have only known secondary characters for 3-5 episodes and obviously they wont expelled any main character because you know... plot.

Case bullying kei 2 (where we at now). There is 1 thing good with this, Ryuuen (ill talk about him later) knows that kei doesn't want the school to know that she was bullied so she uses that to lure her in, PERFECT FINALLY a reason to corner someone and make them come to a location you want. From kei's side... its more understandable that she went alone ayanokiji basically just said to her Bye bye. The problem is the setting, the pacing and ryuuen.

Ryuuen tells Kei to come to an ongoing construction of a building.

1. Is no one supervising this construction? Really? A hyper elite school cant afford security to ensure the safety of the students when going around an ongoing construction in case some debris fall.

2. There must be authorities going around the school, and no one notices 4 problematic students with multiple bags going to an obscure ongoing construction site? AGAIN REALLY?

3. BRUH I'm no expert in cameras but a little bit of paint spray wont affect it that much and those high level elite cameras must have a mic. Also those cameras are proof some level of security IS around the school. Making my past point valid

Ryuuen says that smart people test the rules of the school... ok understandable but testing the rules of the school with something that is highly illegal in the real world that's just idiotic and stupid. Blackmail, technically kidnaping and torture is beyond the rules wherever you go, ryuuen is supposed to be smart he could have picked a better location and a better way c'mon. That's stupid also ryuuen itself as a character is starting to get repetitive, predictable and boring. You have no idea of what is his goal which for a villain is bad you want to know a reason or cause and he uses extremely predictable ways of doing things, using other people and betraying them after, torturing, blackmailing. Ryuuen is the embodiment of " I am evil just because I'm evil", no reason, cause or anything, if its later revealed its too late as you are no longer invested in him.

Rant over :)

Piromysl said:
Bruh, even as an anime only i have no problem understanding what is happening, just because I paid attention to what I'm watching.

ghillozz said:
Why people always say "oh that character is dumb look what she/he did etc..". ?
Of course for you who have a full view of what is happening its normal to say what is right to do, but if you were in her/his position i don't know if you would have done something different.
(im talking in general, not only about CoTe)

nostalgiaas said:
You've summed up pretty much most of my criticisms, now I don't have to rant about it myself lmao

I don't HATE this show but it's so full of plot holes and bad writing

koto_amb said:


1. We really dont have a full view of the events, like i said in S1 there where clues of ayanokoji's plan and you could formulate an idea, I might have clown fish memory idk but right now there hasn't been any clues or anything they just outright tell you what it is. A simple example is the test questions, you couldn't make any sort of idea of the plan as ayanoki was always ._. and making teaching some students for them to pass. You could guess they would deliver the answers first as ITS the logical thing but there were no clues they just show it, there is no suspense as there is nothing to build it from, with no way of guessing the only thing you can do is "Ayanokoji will solve it someway".

2. I fully understand your point of view about the positions (I'm only going to be talking about COTE) the problem is their decisions seem so far fetch from the things they are saying and doing. If we take that point for granted the anime would would be extremely boring, people would actually be reported and the arcs would last 2 episodes. Ryuuen last episode is a great example of my frustration, he says this dialogue about testing the rules of the world and only the geniuses do it, ok its understandable... so genius would kidnap, blackmail and torture a classmate with A CAMERA INFRONT OF THEM only cover with spray paint... so is this really a bad guy or just an idiot?

lakshya1504 said:
boy/girl Is this the first anime u have watched ?
Dont try to find logic into everything.
Its an anime so there will be somethings that seem impossible or stupid.
has every anime u watched was without any illogical or stupid things.
just try to enjoy it and if u dont like the anime read the novel, its so good and better and more properly explained than the anime

koto_amb said:
B

BRUH just see my profile, this is about writing not finding logic.

ghillozz said:


1. The part where they sent the questions before kushida its not an ayanokoji's plan, horikita made that and it is like a "plot twist" where you think kushida won and so horikita and ayano ll be expelled. It was made to create a sort of suspace about the bet they did.
Ayanokoji only used Karuizawa to threw some juice on the kushida's jacket so he could put the answer in it (so he could expell her telling the teacher she had the answer but ryuen decide to chage them so that thing became useless, ayano just cooperate with ryuen to destroy kushida and also help the C class). So his plan was only about saboting kushida victory he didnt care about the exam questions and about his D class .

2. I dont know why you find that stupid but not every camera has the sound. If you cover it with a spray they cant see what is happening and if someone ll go there to check they probably arrive to late.
Also in the school there are a lot of cameras and of course there is someone who check them. You saw how big is the school right? Its very difficult to have a completly view of all the cameras together. So if 1 camera become black and that camera isnt a priority because, you know, they have to check the most populated zone first before and then an isolated area like that one, so there is an high chance to not be found by the school.

And yes in that school there are rules but you can find holes in them.