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Aug 26, 2022 10:34 PM
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| So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. |
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Aug 26, 2022 10:58 PM
#2
| Not a 10 for me, but 8/8.5. Also, the upcoming episodes are more shonen battle type, which I would definitely love to see, but it would have been better if they had more accurately explained and justified what happened in the last 10 chapters. It felt dragged and rushed in the last fight and ending, respectively. Anyway, let's see if they will fix it in anime. |
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Aug 26, 2022 11:18 PM
#3
BlakexEkalb said: Yeah, I've heard about it, too. "Working with production, regarding loose ends in the anime or for the further clarification." Let's see.itsrj20 said: Not a 10 for me, but 8/8.5. Also, the upcoming episodes are more shonen battle type, which I would definitely love to see, but it would have been better if they had more accurately explained and justified what happened in the last 10 chapters. It felt dragged and rushed in the last fight and ending, respectively. Anyway, let's see if they will fix it in anime. Confirmed the author was working with the studio to make the ending smoother. Copium at least. |
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Aug 26, 2022 11:38 PM
#4
| In general though the OP is right, this is a classic or at least a cult classic of an Anime. Reminds me of Another to an extent but it's much higher concept, the horror is more tasteful, the twists more imaginative and dramatic, the quality of the art and animation is just shockingly, consistently amazing... I mean even the style of cliffhanger ending is different every cliffhanger and they all work perfectly. The OP for the second cour is one of my favorite, it's like a more mature version of The 86's 2nd cour OP. This one really has it all I agree with Kasutoro, knowing that perfection doesn't really exist is fine but as far as the competition goes this thing is perfect so far. Five episodes to go, don't see how they could screw it up but we've all seen that nature finds a way lol. |
Aug 27, 2022 12:30 AM
#5
KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often |
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Aug 27, 2022 3:51 AM
#6
Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. |
Aug 27, 2022 4:02 AM
#7
| How does plot device differ from plot holes? |
Aug 27, 2022 4:12 AM
#8
| It's 7 at best. People have to be joking calling this a supernatural mystery anime done right. It does some things right and is clearly a very high production anime (although the close-ups are so abundant they clearly save budget with that but in this type of series at least it works) but something about it just makes it fail to stick out in the bunch. |
Aug 27, 2022 4:44 AM
#9
Shriyansh99 said: How does plot device differ from plot holes? plot devices help keep the story moving forward and plot holes are inconvenienties in the story |
Aug 27, 2022 5:15 AM
#10
certifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff |
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Aug 27, 2022 6:27 AM
#11
| For me, it’s between 8 and 9, and if they don’t flop the last few eps, I might give it a 9. I don’t think it’s perfect but it has been consistently good. |
Aug 27, 2022 6:34 AM
#12
Khalnayak2002 said: I mean, they always keep adding new abilities and powers to the shadows when it's convenient for the plot and it's not done in a smooth or subtle way, they throw heavy exposition down your throats at inopportune moments and that's totally immersion-breaking and stupid imo, it just shows how weak the author iscertifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff |
Aug 27, 2022 6:43 AM
#13
Thomas_york said: Khalnayak2002 said: I mean, they always keep adding new abilities and powers to the shadows when it's convenient for the plot and it's not done in a smooth or subtle way, they throw heavy exposition down your throats at inopportune moments and that's totally immersion-breaking and stupid imo, it just shows how weak the author iscertifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff Yea thats the point |
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Aug 27, 2022 6:58 AM
#14
Thomas_york said: Khalnayak2002 said: I mean, they always keep adding new abilities and powers to the shadows when it's convenient for the plot and it's not done in a smooth or subtle way, they throw heavy exposition down your throats at inopportune moments and that's totally immersion-breaking and stupid imo, it just shows how weak the author iscertifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff Now that's some unrealistic exaggeration, we simply don't know the limits of the shadow's powers, the characters are exploring them as the story progresses, it's not like they're breaking any rules set before or anything, there's a lot of reasons any watcher can interpret from these new abilities, I wouldn't describe it as you did since we're in the 8th or 9th loop already lol, so if anything these powers are not working blandly for the sake of the good guys, especially when the sense of danger is still there with all the emotional aspects as well, so it's very balanced so far |
Aug 27, 2022 7:16 AM
#15
| start:8/10 now:4/10 |
Aug 27, 2022 7:37 AM
#16
Khalil04 said: Thomas_york said: Khalnayak2002 said: certifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff Now that's some unrealistic exaggeration, we simply don't know the limits of the shadow's powers, the characters are exploring them as the story progresses, it's not like they're breaking any rules set before or anything, there's a lot of reasons any watcher can interpret from these new abilities, I wouldn't describe it as you did since we're in the 8th or 9th loop already lol, so if anything these powers are not working blandly for the sake of the good guys, especially when the sense of danger is still there with all the emotional aspects as well, so it's very balanced so far Especially since I don't see what new power has been added since the beginning except in episode 12 when Ushio unlocks the same powers as Haine. - Haine's power to go back in time is the same as Shinpei's because she still has her 2nd eye which has the same power - Haine can see in the future of 2 seconds because the power comes from her originally and not from ryunosuke. - Ushio can reprogram the will of the shadows because she has the same power as Haine who could do it, too, as she did with the nurse. And if it is possible to reprogram the shadows, it is logically possible to do the same with the memory of the humans to give them information. And it is not only Ushio who does it, Haine also to update Shide or Shadow Mio. - Shadow mio can copy the data of tokiko to become her: if shadow shinpei could update itself by copying a future version of the original or even the wild shadows after having lost their original copy could copy a new one (like the second ushio), I don't see why shadow mio could not. - The super speed and power of shadows, we know it since the first episodes. Even when they are locked in a human body, they don't lose their abilities, no matter what the injuries of the host (explaining from the beginning why hizuru is so agile). - Can shadows take the form of an object? Yes, it is the essence of shadows to take any form. It is logical and predictable. I just want to admit that the power of the mark as a new power introduced, but it's been introduced since the 9th episode and does not serve to reverse a situation, add a stake or be a solution to a problem, it only serves as an element to fluidify the plot without making it too complex for nothing. And as for the powers linked to Shide's armor, we still don't have the explanation on how it works but we had a lot of clues at the beginning of the show that showed us the armor's capacity So I don't see what the show has added as a new power afterwards. It's just stuff that you could have guessed beforehand if you were smart enough. The author doesn't need to explain the powers because they follow logically from the nature of shadows (which are shapeless beings that can copy anything and deform them as long as they absorb data). Mostly they just introduced limitations to these powers: - Weaknesses in fire - The size of storage that limits the number of copies that a shadow can keep as a backup - The copies that immobilize and tire the shadows - The distance of 50 meters where the copies disappear - The destruction of the shadow under 7 days if it does not kill its original - The non possibility to all the shadows to give birth to a new shadow - Hate that is weak, preventing it from giving birth to new shadows - The power of shinpei which weakens from hour to hour, preventing him to buckle as he wants. In short I see once again bad faith to denigrate a show that is misinterpreted. A show that has the ability to use foreshadowing to introduce the slightest supernatural element. And how is it wrong to add new power if this addition has so much positive and negative impact for both sides? |
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Aug 27, 2022 7:42 AM
#17
Yumekua said: Khalil04 said: Thomas_york said: Khalnayak2002 said: I mean, they always keep adding new abilities and powers to the shadows when it's convenient for the plot and it's not done in a smooth or subtle way, they throw heavy exposition down your throats at inopportune moments and that's totally immersion-breaking and stupid imo, it just shows how weak the author iscertifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff Now that's some unrealistic exaggeration, we simply don't know the limits of the shadow's powers, the characters are exploring them as the story progresses, it's not like they're breaking any rules set before or anything, there's a lot of reasons any watcher can interpret from these new abilities, I wouldn't describe it as you did since we're in the 8th or 9th loop already lol, so if anything these powers are not working blandly for the sake of the good guys, especially when the sense of danger is still there with all the emotional aspects as well, so it's very balanced so far Yumekua4 weeks ago 4 Especially since I don't see what new power has been added since the beginning except in episode 12 when Ushio unlocks the same powers as Haine. Haine's power to go back in time is the same as Shinpei's because she still has her 2nd eye which has the same power Haine can see in the future of 2 seconds because the power comes from her originally and not from ryunosuke. Ushio can reprogram the will of the shadows because she has the same power as Haine who could do it, too, as she did with the nurse. And if it is possible to reprogram the shadows, it is logically possible to do the same with the memory of the humans to give them information. And it is not only Ushio who does it, Haine also to update Shide or Shadow Mio. Shadow mio can copy the data of tokiko to become her: if shadow shinpei could update itself by copying a future version of the original or even the wild shadows after having lost their original copy could copy a new one (like the second ushio), I don't see why shadow mio could not. The super speed and power of shadows, we know it since the first episodes. Even when they are locked in a human body, they don't lose their abilities, no matter what the injuries of the host (explaining from the beginning why hizuru is so agile). I just want to admit that the power of the mark as a new power introduced, but it's been introduced since the 7th episode. So I don't see what the show has added as a new power afterwards. It's just stuff that you could have guessed beforehand if you were smart enough. Mostly they just introduced limitations to these powers: Weaknesses in fire The size of storage that limits the number of copies that a shadow can keep as a backup The copies that immobilize and tire the shadows The distance of 50 meters where the copies disappear The destruction of the shadow under 7 days if it does not kill its original the non possibility to all the shadows to give birth to a new shadow Hate that is weak, preventing it from giving birth to new shadows The power of shinpei which weakens from hour to hour, preventing him to buckle as he wants. Yupp those are very good notes, but I'm not the one complaining here so ig you should quote him instead right ? |
Aug 27, 2022 7:44 AM
#18
Khalil04 said: Yumekua said: Khalil04 said: Thomas_york said: Khalnayak2002 said: I mean, they always keep adding new abilities and powers to the shadows when it's convenient for the plot and it's not done in a smooth or subtle way, they throw heavy exposition down your throats at inopportune moments and that's totally immersion-breaking and stupid imo, it just shows how weak the author iscertifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff Now that's some unrealistic exaggeration, we simply don't know the limits of the shadow's powers, the characters are exploring them as the story progresses, it's not like they're breaking any rules set before or anything, there's a lot of reasons any watcher can interpret from these new abilities, I wouldn't describe it as you did since we're in the 8th or 9th loop already lol, so if anything these powers are not working blandly for the sake of the good guys, especially when the sense of danger is still there with all the emotional aspects as well, so it's very balanced so far Yumekua4 weeks ago 4 Especially since I don't see what new power has been added since the beginning except in episode 12 when Ushio unlocks the same powers as Haine. Haine's power to go back in time is the same as Shinpei's because she still has her 2nd eye which has the same power Haine can see in the future of 2 seconds because the power comes from her originally and not from ryunosuke. Ushio can reprogram the will of the shadows because she has the same power as Haine who could do it, too, as she did with the nurse. And if it is possible to reprogram the shadows, it is logically possible to do the same with the memory of the humans to give them information. And it is not only Ushio who does it, Haine also to update Shide or Shadow Mio. Shadow mio can copy the data of tokiko to become her: if shadow shinpei could update itself by copying a future version of the original or even the wild shadows after having lost their original copy could copy a new one (like the second ushio), I don't see why shadow mio could not. The super speed and power of shadows, we know it since the first episodes. Even when they are locked in a human body, they don't lose their abilities, no matter what the injuries of the host (explaining from the beginning why hizuru is so agile). I just want to admit that the power of the mark as a new power introduced, but it's been introduced since the 7th episode. So I don't see what the show has added as a new power afterwards. It's just stuff that you could have guessed beforehand if you were smart enough. Mostly they just introduced limitations to these powers: Weaknesses in fire The size of storage that limits the number of copies that a shadow can keep as a backup The copies that immobilize and tire the shadows The distance of 50 meters where the copies disappear The destruction of the shadow under 7 days if it does not kill its original the non possibility to all the shadows to give birth to a new shadow Hate that is weak, preventing it from giving birth to new shadows The power of shinpei which weakens from hour to hour, preventing him to buckle as he wants. Yupp those are very good notes, but I'm not the one complaining here so ig you should quote him instead right ? I answered you to make it a complement of answer. |
Aug 27, 2022 7:46 AM
#19
Yumekua said: Khalil04 said: Yumekua said: Khalil04 said: Thomas_york said: Khalnayak2002 said: I mean, they always keep adding new abilities and powers to the shadows when it's convenient for the plot and it's not done in a smooth or subtle way, they throw heavy exposition down your throats at inopportune moments and that's totally immersion-breaking and stupid imo, it just shows how weak the author iscertifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff Now that's some unrealistic exaggeration, we simply don't know the limits of the shadow's powers, the characters are exploring them as the story progresses, it's not like they're breaking any rules set before or anything, there's a lot of reasons any watcher can interpret from these new abilities, I wouldn't describe it as you did since we're in the 8th or 9th loop already lol, so if anything these powers are not working blandly for the sake of the good guys, especially when the sense of danger is still there with all the emotional aspects as well, so it's very balanced so far Yumekua4 weeks ago 4 Especially since I don't see what new power has been added since the beginning except in episode 12 when Ushio unlocks the same powers as Haine. Haine's power to go back in time is the same as Shinpei's because she still has her 2nd eye which has the same power Haine can see in the future of 2 seconds because the power comes from her originally and not from ryunosuke. Ushio can reprogram the will of the shadows because she has the same power as Haine who could do it, too, as she did with the nurse. And if it is possible to reprogram the shadows, it is logically possible to do the same with the memory of the humans to give them information. And it is not only Ushio who does it, Haine also to update Shide or Shadow Mio. Shadow mio can copy the data of tokiko to become her: if shadow shinpei could update itself by copying a future version of the original or even the wild shadows after having lost their original copy could copy a new one (like the second ushio), I don't see why shadow mio could not. The super speed and power of shadows, we know it since the first episodes. Even when they are locked in a human body, they don't lose their abilities, no matter what the injuries of the host (explaining from the beginning why hizuru is so agile). I just want to admit that the power of the mark as a new power introduced, but it's been introduced since the 7th episode. So I don't see what the show has added as a new power afterwards. It's just stuff that you could have guessed beforehand if you were smart enough. Mostly they just introduced limitations to these powers: Weaknesses in fire The size of storage that limits the number of copies that a shadow can keep as a backup The copies that immobilize and tire the shadows The distance of 50 meters where the copies disappear The destruction of the shadow under 7 days if it does not kill its original the non possibility to all the shadows to give birth to a new shadow Hate that is weak, preventing it from giving birth to new shadows The power of shinpei which weakens from hour to hour, preventing him to buckle as he wants. Yupp those are very good notes, but I'm not the one complaining here so ig you should quote him instead right ? I answered you to make it a complement of answer. Yumekua said: Khalil04 said: Yumekua said: Khalil04 said: Thomas_york said: Khalnayak2002 said: I mean, they always keep adding new abilities and powers to the shadows when it's convenient for the plot and it's not done in a smooth or subtle way, they throw heavy exposition down your throats at inopportune moments and that's totally immersion-breaking and stupid imo, it just shows how weak the author iscertifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff Now that's some unrealistic exaggeration, we simply don't know the limits of the shadow's powers, the characters are exploring them as the story progresses, it's not like they're breaking any rules set before or anything, there's a lot of reasons any watcher can interpret from these new abilities, I wouldn't describe it as you did since we're in the 8th or 9th loop already lol, so if anything these powers are not working blandly for the sake of the good guys, especially when the sense of danger is still there with all the emotional aspects as well, so it's very balanced so far Yumekua4 weeks ago 4 Especially since I don't see what new power has been added since the beginning except in episode 12 when Ushio unlocks the same powers as Haine. Haine's power to go back in time is the same as Shinpei's because she still has her 2nd eye which has the same power Haine can see in the future of 2 seconds because the power comes from her originally and not from ryunosuke. Ushio can reprogram the will of the shadows because she has the same power as Haine who could do it, too, as she did with the nurse. And if it is possible to reprogram the shadows, it is logically possible to do the same with the memory of the humans to give them information. And it is not only Ushio who does it, Haine also to update Shide or Shadow Mio. Shadow mio can copy the data of tokiko to become her: if shadow shinpei could update itself by copying a future version of the original or even the wild shadows after having lost their original copy could copy a new one (like the second ushio), I don't see why shadow mio could not. The super speed and power of shadows, we know it since the first episodes. Even when they are locked in a human body, they don't lose their abilities, no matter what the injuries of the host (explaining from the beginning why hizuru is so agile). I just want to admit that the power of the mark as a new power introduced, but it's been introduced since the 7th episode. So I don't see what the show has added as a new power afterwards. It's just stuff that you could have guessed beforehand if you were smart enough. Mostly they just introduced limitations to these powers: Weaknesses in fire The size of storage that limits the number of copies that a shadow can keep as a backup The copies that immobilize and tire the shadows The distance of 50 meters where the copies disappear The destruction of the shadow under 7 days if it does not kill its original the non possibility to all the shadows to give birth to a new shadow Hate that is weak, preventing it from giving birth to new shadows The power of shinpei which weakens from hour to hour, preventing him to buckle as he wants. Yupp those are very good notes, but I'm not the one complaining here so ig you should quote him instead right ? I answered you to make it a complement of answer. Yumekua said: Khalil04 said: Yumekua said: Khalil04 said: Thomas_york said: Khalnayak2002 said: I mean, they always keep adding new abilities and powers to the shadows when it's convenient for the plot and it's not done in a smooth or subtle way, they throw heavy exposition down your throats at inopportune moments and that's totally immersion-breaking and stupid imo, it just shows how weak the author iscertifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff Now that's some unrealistic exaggeration, we simply don't know the limits of the shadow's powers, the characters are exploring them as the story progresses, it's not like they're breaking any rules set before or anything, there's a lot of reasons any watcher can interpret from these new abilities, I wouldn't describe it as you did since we're in the 8th or 9th loop already lol, so if anything these powers are not working blandly for the sake of the good guys, especially when the sense of danger is still there with all the emotional aspects as well, so it's very balanced so far Yumekua4 weeks ago 4 Especially since I don't see what new power has been added since the beginning except in episode 12 when Ushio unlocks the same powers as Haine. Haine's power to go back in time is the same as Shinpei's because she still has her 2nd eye which has the same power Haine can see in the future of 2 seconds because the power comes from her originally and not from ryunosuke. Ushio can reprogram the will of the shadows because she has the same power as Haine who could do it, too, as she did with the nurse. And if it is possible to reprogram the shadows, it is logically possible to do the same with the memory of the humans to give them information. And it is not only Ushio who does it, Haine also to update Shide or Shadow Mio. Shadow mio can copy the data of tokiko to become her: if shadow shinpei could update itself by copying a future version of the original or even the wild shadows after having lost their original copy could copy a new one (like the second ushio), I don't see why shadow mio could not. The super speed and power of shadows, we know it since the first episodes. Even when they are locked in a human body, they don't lose their abilities, no matter what the injuries of the host (explaining from the beginning why hizuru is so agile). I just want to admit that the power of the mark as a new power introduced, but it's been introduced since the 7th episode. So I don't see what the show has added as a new power afterwards. It's just stuff that you could have guessed beforehand if you were smart enough. Mostly they just introduced limitations to these powers: Weaknesses in fire The size of storage that limits the number of copies that a shadow can keep as a backup The copies that immobilize and tire the shadows The distance of 50 meters where the copies disappear The destruction of the shadow under 7 days if it does not kill its original the non possibility to all the shadows to give birth to a new shadow Hate that is weak, preventing it from giving birth to new shadows The power of shinpei which weakens from hour to hour, preventing him to buckle as he wants. Yupp those are very good notes, but I'm not the one complaining here so ig you should quote him instead right ? I answered you to make it a complement of answer. Ah okay my bad then, thanks! |
Aug 27, 2022 7:48 AM
#20
Khalil04 said: I've read the manga since ep 19 aired and it's pretty much what i said, the author doesn't know how to establish the powers of the shadow so he keeps adding new abilities whenever the plot needs.Thomas_york said: Khalnayak2002 said: certifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff Now that's some unrealistic exaggeration, we simply don't know the limits of the shadow's powers, the characters are exploring them as the story progresses, it's not like they're breaking any rules set before or anything, there's a lot of reasons any watcher can interpret from these new abilities, I wouldn't describe it as you did since we're in the 8th or 9th loop already lol, so if anything these powers are not working blandly for the sake of the good guys, especially when the sense of danger is still there with all the emotional aspects as well, so it's very balanced so far "Oh but you see, the shadow can also copy objects. Oh but you see the shadow can also become the object :) . Oh but you see, the shadow can also take out a part of itself and make it becomes an object he previously copied :D" and so on and so forth, but in a very expositive and uncalled for way |
Aug 27, 2022 7:48 AM
#21
Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often could you maybe expand on what you mean by "depth" because i always get very confused whenever i see people call characters "bland" or "one-dimensional". I'm not quite sure what else a character would possibly need to do for them to achieve their "depth" so if you wouldn't mind could you just explain it to me? |
Aug 27, 2022 7:53 AM
#22
Thomas_york said: Khalil04 said: I've read the manga since ep 19 aired and it's pretty much what i said, the author doesn't know how to establish the powers of the shadow so he keeps adding new abilities whenever the plot needs.Thomas_york said: Khalnayak2002 said: I mean, they always keep adding new abilities and powers to the shadows when it's convenient for the plot and it's not done in a smooth or subtle way, they throw heavy exposition down your throats at inopportune moments and that's totally immersion-breaking and stupid imo, it just shows how weak the author iscertifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff Now that's some unrealistic exaggeration, we simply don't know the limits of the shadow's powers, the characters are exploring them as the story progresses, it's not like they're breaking any rules set before or anything, there's a lot of reasons any watcher can interpret from these new abilities, I wouldn't describe it as you did since we're in the 8th or 9th loop already lol, so if anything these powers are not working blandly for the sake of the good guys, especially when the sense of danger is still there with all the emotional aspects as well, so it's very balanced so far "Oh but you see, the shadow can also copy objects. Oh but you see the shadow can also become the object :) . Oh but you see, the shadow can also take out a part of itself and make it becomes an object he previously copied :D" and so on and so forth, but in a very expositive and uncalled for way What you said still doesn't mean they're poor ideas by any means 🗿 There's someone who noted every power and ability and their logical use , you might want to check them out to fix your problems with the show 👍🏻 |
Aug 27, 2022 8:00 AM
#23
Kymazaki said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often could you maybe expand on what you mean by "depth" because i always get very confused whenever i see people call characters "bland" or "one-dimensional". I'm not quite sure what else a character would possibly need to do for them to achieve their "depth" so if you wouldn't mind could you just explain it to me? Well just to clarify something, the depth is already there with every important character so far, we saw different emotional sides of them while interacting naturally with eachother, that's what depth mean in general It's when a certain character act like a an actual human without being one dimensional (which is someone who's in the story with one major trait that defines his character without development), in short, if you could sympathise with the characters without cliché reasons or being forced to do so then it's when we call them well written characters with depth |
Aug 27, 2022 8:01 AM
#24
Khalil04 said: didn't say is poor ideas, i said that is poorly executed, the way they introduce is dumb.Thomas_york said: Khalil04 said: Thomas_york said: Khalnayak2002 said: I mean, they always keep adding new abilities and powers to the shadows when it's convenient for the plot and it's not done in a smooth or subtle way, they throw heavy exposition down your throats at inopportune moments and that's totally immersion-breaking and stupid imo, it just shows how weak the author iscertifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff Now that's some unrealistic exaggeration, we simply don't know the limits of the shadow's powers, the characters are exploring them as the story progresses, it's not like they're breaking any rules set before or anything, there's a lot of reasons any watcher can interpret from these new abilities, I wouldn't describe it as you did since we're in the 8th or 9th loop already lol, so if anything these powers are not working blandly for the sake of the good guys, especially when the sense of danger is still there with all the emotional aspects as well, so it's very balanced so far "Oh but you see, the shadow can also copy objects. Oh but you see the shadow can also become the object :) . Oh but you see, the shadow can also take out a part of itself and make it becomes an object he previously copied :D" and so on and so forth, but in a very expositive and uncalled for way What you said still doesn't mean they're poor ideas by any means 🗿 There's someone who noted every power and ability and their logical use , you might want to check them out to fix your problems with the show 👍🏻 And the guy who noted every power and the limits just confirmed what i said, when the plot needs, the show adds new abilities (a ton of them) |
Aug 27, 2022 8:05 AM
#25
| its cool that you like it that much, good for you im enjoying it as well, might not be a 10 for me but i like it |
Aug 27, 2022 8:09 AM
#26
Thomas_york said: Khalil04 said: didn't say is poor ideas, i said that is poorly executed, the way they introduce is dumb.Thomas_york said: Khalil04 said: I've read the manga since ep 19 aired and it's pretty much what i said, the author doesn't know how to establish the powers of the shadow so he keeps adding new abilities whenever the plot needs.Thomas_york said: Khalnayak2002 said: I mean, they always keep adding new abilities and powers to the shadows when it's convenient for the plot and it's not done in a smooth or subtle way, they throw heavy exposition down your throats at inopportune moments and that's totally immersion-breaking and stupid imo, it just shows how weak the author iscertifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff Now that's some unrealistic exaggeration, we simply don't know the limits of the shadow's powers, the characters are exploring them as the story progresses, it's not like they're breaking any rules set before or anything, there's a lot of reasons any watcher can interpret from these new abilities, I wouldn't describe it as you did since we're in the 8th or 9th loop already lol, so if anything these powers are not working blandly for the sake of the good guys, especially when the sense of danger is still there with all the emotional aspects as well, so it's very balanced so far "Oh but you see, the shadow can also copy objects. Oh but you see the shadow can also become the object :) . Oh but you see, the shadow can also take out a part of itself and make it becomes an object he previously copied :D" and so on and so forth, but in a very expositive and uncalled for way What you said still doesn't mean they're poor ideas by any means 🗿 There's someone who noted every power and ability and their logical use , you might want to check them out to fix your problems with the show 👍🏻 And the guy who noted every power and the limits just confirmed what i said, when the plot needs, the show adds new abilities (a ton of them) Except for what we are trying to tell you (apart from the limitations which are divices), these are not new powers. They are already powers that we could guess once we understood the nature of shadows. They don't come out of nowhere. It's just the protagonists of the story who understand their workings as we go along. It would be like telling a character, who discovers the usefulness of many knives in a Swiss Army knife, that he has obtained/created a new power (when it was always there, just never really used) ! It wouldn't make sense... To come back to the limitations that are plots divices, they are limitations that affect both the protagonists and the antagonists. And they are reused later in the strategy of the 2 camps. They can be used to facilitate the story at one time T and then serve as an obstacle at another time T. So they are not devices that can be perceived as defects in the work. I remind you that a love triangle for example is a plot device. Is this seen as a flaw in many romantic comedy works? No. Yet it is a cliché filled with scriptural facility when the author needs it to advance the plot. |
YumekuaAug 27, 2022 8:20 AM
Aug 27, 2022 8:31 AM
#27
Thomas_york said: Khalil04 said: didn't say is poor ideas, i said that is poorly executed, the way they introduce is dumb.Thomas_york said: Khalil04 said: I've read the manga since ep 19 aired and it's pretty much what i said, the author doesn't know how to establish the powers of the shadow so he keeps adding new abilities whenever the plot needs.Thomas_york said: Khalnayak2002 said: I mean, they always keep adding new abilities and powers to the shadows when it's convenient for the plot and it's not done in a smooth or subtle way, they throw heavy exposition down your throats at inopportune moments and that's totally immersion-breaking and stupid imo, it just shows how weak the author iscertifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff Now that's some unrealistic exaggeration, we simply don't know the limits of the shadow's powers, the characters are exploring them as the story progresses, it's not like they're breaking any rules set before or anything, there's a lot of reasons any watcher can interpret from these new abilities, I wouldn't describe it as you did since we're in the 8th or 9th loop already lol, so if anything these powers are not working blandly for the sake of the good guys, especially when the sense of danger is still there with all the emotional aspects as well, so it's very balanced so far "Oh but you see, the shadow can also copy objects. Oh but you see the shadow can also become the object :) . Oh but you see, the shadow can also take out a part of itself and make it becomes an object he previously copied :D" and so on and so forth, but in a very expositive and uncalled for way What you said still doesn't mean they're poor ideas by any means 🗿 There's someone who noted every power and ability and their logical use , you might want to check them out to fix your problems with the show 👍🏻 And the guy who noted every power and the limits just confirmed what i said, when the plot needs, the show adds new abilities (a ton of them) I see that you're new to anime, so this might be a temporary issue for you to get used on how things are done in this medium, but overall and as I said, there's no problem with executing the ideas like that, I mean it's very natural to reveal certain things as the story progresses when they are needed, it's pretty much what most of supernatural-mystery shows do all the time, especially when these elements are hinted before and has some obvious build up here and there, it's not like they're creating things out of nothing |
Aug 27, 2022 8:33 AM
#28
Yumekua said: There is no "nature of shadows", you are forcing yourself to believe in this but there isn't a logic behind the shadows, there is not. The "logic" is always updated when the show wants, got it? This is not a spoiler but i'll tell you here, i've read the manga and there was the rule that stated you can't use an copied object unless the original is erased, but then pull out some stupid logic to explain why now you can use an copied object tho the lriginal still exist. There'll always be a new random rule about the shadows so the show will take a new route. Pretty stupid stuff.Thomas_york said: Khalil04 said: Thomas_york said: Khalil04 said: I've read the manga since ep 19 aired and it's pretty much what i said, the author doesn't know how to establish the powers of the shadow so he keeps adding new abilities whenever the plot needs.Thomas_york said: Khalnayak2002 said: I mean, they always keep adding new abilities and powers to the shadows when it's convenient for the plot and it's not done in a smooth or subtle way, they throw heavy exposition down your throats at inopportune moments and that's totally immersion-breaking and stupid imo, it just shows how weak the author iscertifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff Now that's some unrealistic exaggeration, we simply don't know the limits of the shadow's powers, the characters are exploring them as the story progresses, it's not like they're breaking any rules set before or anything, there's a lot of reasons any watcher can interpret from these new abilities, I wouldn't describe it as you did since we're in the 8th or 9th loop already lol, so if anything these powers are not working blandly for the sake of the good guys, especially when the sense of danger is still there with all the emotional aspects as well, so it's very balanced so far "Oh but you see, the shadow can also copy objects. Oh but you see the shadow can also become the object :) . Oh but you see, the shadow can also take out a part of itself and make it becomes an object he previously copied :D" and so on and so forth, but in a very expositive and uncalled for way What you said still doesn't mean they're poor ideas by any means 🗿 There's someone who noted every power and ability and their logical use , you might want to check them out to fix your problems with the show 👍🏻 And the guy who noted every power and the limits just confirmed what i said, when the plot needs, the show adds new abilities (a ton of them) Except for what we are trying to tell you (apart from the limitations which are divices), these are not new powers. They are already powers that we could guess once we understood the nature of shadows. They don't come out of nowhere. It's just the protagonists of the story who understand their workings. It would be like telling a character who discovers the usefulness of many knives in a Swiss Army knife that he has obtained/created a new power (when it was always there, just never really used) To come back to the limitations that are plots divices, they are limitations that affect both the protagonists and the antagonists. And they are reused later in the strategy of the camps. They can be used to facilitate the story at one time T and then serve as an obstacle at another time T. So they are not devices that can be perceived as defects in the work. I remind you that a love triangle for example is a plot device. Is this seen as a flaw in many romantic comedy works? No. Yet it is a cliché filled with scriptural facility when the author needs it to advance the plot. Shadow can become human Shadow can become object Shadow can use a part of itself to become an object Shadow can transform an object into a lot of different things, but hey! There's stakes, they cannot transform as many times as they want because there's a limit D: Shadow's copies will not work 50 meters away from the original shadow 0: Ushio has the same ability of Haine, the Mother, and can also interfere in the will of other shadows :D I'm done. But that's just my opinion, don't get mad pls |
Aug 27, 2022 8:33 AM
#29
Khalil04 said: bro you don't even knoe me, why'd say i'm new to anime lolThomas_york said: Khalil04 said: Thomas_york said: Khalil04 said: I've read the manga since ep 19 aired and it's pretty much what i said, the author doesn't know how to establish the powers of the shadow so he keeps adding new abilities whenever the plot needs.Thomas_york said: Khalnayak2002 said: I mean, they always keep adding new abilities and powers to the shadows when it's convenient for the plot and it's not done in a smooth or subtle way, they throw heavy exposition down your throats at inopportune moments and that's totally immersion-breaking and stupid imo, it just shows how weak the author iscertifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff Now that's some unrealistic exaggeration, we simply don't know the limits of the shadow's powers, the characters are exploring them as the story progresses, it's not like they're breaking any rules set before or anything, there's a lot of reasons any watcher can interpret from these new abilities, I wouldn't describe it as you did since we're in the 8th or 9th loop already lol, so if anything these powers are not working blandly for the sake of the good guys, especially when the sense of danger is still there with all the emotional aspects as well, so it's very balanced so far "Oh but you see, the shadow can also copy objects. Oh but you see the shadow can also become the object :) . Oh but you see, the shadow can also take out a part of itself and make it becomes an object he previously copied :D" and so on and so forth, but in a very expositive and uncalled for way What you said still doesn't mean they're poor ideas by any means 🗿 There's someone who noted every power and ability and their logical use , you might want to check them out to fix your problems with the show 👍🏻 And the guy who noted every power and the limits just confirmed what i said, when the plot needs, the show adds new abilities (a ton of them) I see that you're new to anime, so this might be a temporary issue for you to get used on how things are done in this medium, but overall and as I said, there's no problem with executing the ideas like that, I mean it's very natural to reveal certain things as the story progresses when they are needed, it's pretty much what most of supernatural-mystery shows do all the time, especially when these elements are hinted before and has some obvious build up here and there, it's not like they're creating things out of nothing |
Aug 27, 2022 8:37 AM
#30
Khalil04 said: And no, that's not what mystery shows does, supernatural maybe yeah. There is no hints whatsoever, if there was, the author wouldn't need to take time to do a whole exposition segment whenever a new ability is introduced. As i said, it's poorly executed, that's just it. But it's just my opinionThomas_york said: Khalil04 said: Thomas_york said: Khalil04 said: I've read the manga since ep 19 aired and it's pretty much what i said, the author doesn't know how to establish the powers of the shadow so he keeps adding new abilities whenever the plot needs.Thomas_york said: Khalnayak2002 said: I mean, they always keep adding new abilities and powers to the shadows when it's convenient for the plot and it's not done in a smooth or subtle way, they throw heavy exposition down your throats at inopportune moments and that's totally immersion-breaking and stupid imo, it just shows how weak the author iscertifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff Now that's some unrealistic exaggeration, we simply don't know the limits of the shadow's powers, the characters are exploring them as the story progresses, it's not like they're breaking any rules set before or anything, there's a lot of reasons any watcher can interpret from these new abilities, I wouldn't describe it as you did since we're in the 8th or 9th loop already lol, so if anything these powers are not working blandly for the sake of the good guys, especially when the sense of danger is still there with all the emotional aspects as well, so it's very balanced so far "Oh but you see, the shadow can also copy objects. Oh but you see the shadow can also become the object :) . Oh but you see, the shadow can also take out a part of itself and make it becomes an object he previously copied :D" and so on and so forth, but in a very expositive and uncalled for way What you said still doesn't mean they're poor ideas by any means 🗿 There's someone who noted every power and ability and their logical use , you might want to check them out to fix your problems with the show 👍🏻 And the guy who noted every power and the limits just confirmed what i said, when the plot needs, the show adds new abilities (a ton of them) I see that you're new to anime, so this might be a temporary issue for you to get used on how things are done in this medium, but overall and as I said, there's no problem with executing the ideas like that, I mean it's very natural to reveal certain things as the story progresses when they are needed, it's pretty much what most of supernatural-mystery shows do all the time, especially when these elements are hinted before and has some obvious build up here and there, it's not like they're creating things out of nothing |
Aug 27, 2022 8:38 AM
#31
| I wouldn't be too quick to already call it perfect. I've personally heard that the ending of the manga was apparently kind of controversial or not that popular... atleast for those who have read it. I can't really speak on the topic tho as I haven't read the manga nor am I watching the anime currently. |
Aug 27, 2022 8:51 AM
#32
Thomas_york said: Yumekua said: There is no "nature of shadows", you are forcing yourself to believe in this but there isn't a logic behind the shadows, there is not. The "logic" is always updated when the show wants, got it? This is not a spoiler but i'll tell you here, i've read the manga and there was the rule that stated you can't use an copied object unless the original is erased, but then pull out some stupid logic to explain why now you can use an copied object tho the lriginal still exist. There'll always be a new random rule about the shadows so the show will take a new route. Pretty stupid stuff.Thomas_york said: Khalil04 said: didn't say is poor ideas, i said that is poorly executed, the way they introduce is dumb.Thomas_york said: Khalil04 said: I've read the manga since ep 19 aired and it's pretty much what i said, the author doesn't know how to establish the powers of the shadow so he keeps adding new abilities whenever the plot needs.Thomas_york said: Khalnayak2002 said: I mean, they always keep adding new abilities and powers to the shadows when it's convenient for the plot and it's not done in a smooth or subtle way, they throw heavy exposition down your throats at inopportune moments and that's totally immersion-breaking and stupid imo, it just shows how weak the author iscertifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff Now that's some unrealistic exaggeration, we simply don't know the limits of the shadow's powers, the characters are exploring them as the story progresses, it's not like they're breaking any rules set before or anything, there's a lot of reasons any watcher can interpret from these new abilities, I wouldn't describe it as you did since we're in the 8th or 9th loop already lol, so if anything these powers are not working blandly for the sake of the good guys, especially when the sense of danger is still there with all the emotional aspects as well, so it's very balanced so far "Oh but you see, the shadow can also copy objects. Oh but you see the shadow can also become the object :) . Oh but you see, the shadow can also take out a part of itself and make it becomes an object he previously copied :D" and so on and so forth, but in a very expositive and uncalled for way What you said still doesn't mean they're poor ideas by any means 🗿 There's someone who noted every power and ability and their logical use , you might want to check them out to fix your problems with the show 👍🏻 And the guy who noted every power and the limits just confirmed what i said, when the plot needs, the show adds new abilities (a ton of them) Except for what we are trying to tell you (apart from the limitations which are divices), these are not new powers. They are already powers that we could guess once we understood the nature of shadows. They don't come out of nowhere. It's just the protagonists of the story who understand their workings. It would be like telling a character who discovers the usefulness of many knives in a Swiss Army knife that he has obtained/created a new power (when it was always there, just never really used) To come back to the limitations that are plots divices, they are limitations that affect both the protagonists and the antagonists. And they are reused later in the strategy of the camps. They can be used to facilitate the story at one time T and then serve as an obstacle at another time T. So they are not devices that can be perceived as defects in the work. I remind you that a love triangle for example is a plot device. Is this seen as a flaw in many romantic comedy works? No. Yet it is a cliché filled with scriptural facility when the author needs it to advance the plot. Shadow can become human Shadow can become object Shadow can use a part of itself to become an object Shadow can transform an object into a lot of different things, but hey! There's stakes, they cannot transform as many times as they want because there's a limit D: Shadow's copies will not work 50 meters away from the original shadow 0: Ushio has the same ability of Haine, the Mother, and can also interfere in the will of other shadows :D I'm done. But that's just my opinion, don't get mad pls - "Shadow can become human Shadow can become object" That's the nature of shadows. They can transform on to what they have copied, and that can be anything. - "Shadow can use a part of itself to become an object" Well, yes, it's logical. If a complete shadow can turn into anything. They can transform any part of their body into any object or living being. - "Shadow can transform an object into a lot of different things, but hey! " Shadows cannot transform existing objects, only delete them. What they can change at will is their body according to the data they have recorded. - "There's stakes, they cannot transform as many times as they want because there's a limit D:" Yes, because like any living being, doing an action requires energy. It is therefore logical that they can only transform themselves in a limited way (especially since we can quickly guess that a transformation requires a lot of energy to be performed). - "Shadow's copies will not work 50 meters away from the original shadow 0:" That yes, it can be considered as a plot device. However it is a plot device that concerns both sides and that just allows the story to provoke direct confrontations between shadows and not at a distance, which would make the story boring. - "Ushio has the same ability of Haine, the Mother, and can also interfere in the will of other shadows :D" Well yes because the whole of his shadow is a part of Haine (the famous eye that was caught in episode 15). So if Haine can, so can Ushio. --- It's crazy, everything can be explained without much difficulty in a logical way! Let's stop being in bad faith please... |
YumekuaAug 27, 2022 8:55 AM
Aug 27, 2022 9:24 AM
#33
Yumekua said: Thomas_york said: Yumekua said: Thomas_york said: Khalil04 said: didn't say is poor ideas, i said that is poorly executed, the way they introduce is dumb.Thomas_york said: Khalil04 said: I've read the manga since ep 19 aired and it's pretty much what i said, the author doesn't know how to establish the powers of the shadow so he keeps adding new abilities whenever the plot needs.Thomas_york said: Khalnayak2002 said: I mean, they always keep adding new abilities and powers to the shadows when it's convenient for the plot and it's not done in a smooth or subtle way, they throw heavy exposition down your throats at inopportune moments and that's totally immersion-breaking and stupid imo, it just shows how weak the author iscertifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff Now that's some unrealistic exaggeration, we simply don't know the limits of the shadow's powers, the characters are exploring them as the story progresses, it's not like they're breaking any rules set before or anything, there's a lot of reasons any watcher can interpret from these new abilities, I wouldn't describe it as you did since we're in the 8th or 9th loop already lol, so if anything these powers are not working blandly for the sake of the good guys, especially when the sense of danger is still there with all the emotional aspects as well, so it's very balanced so far "Oh but you see, the shadow can also copy objects. Oh but you see the shadow can also become the object :) . Oh but you see, the shadow can also take out a part of itself and make it becomes an object he previously copied :D" and so on and so forth, but in a very expositive and uncalled for way What you said still doesn't mean they're poor ideas by any means 🗿 There's someone who noted every power and ability and their logical use , you might want to check them out to fix your problems with the show 👍🏻 And the guy who noted every power and the limits just confirmed what i said, when the plot needs, the show adds new abilities (a ton of them) Except for what we are trying to tell you (apart from the limitations which are divices), these are not new powers. They are already powers that we could guess once we understood the nature of shadows. They don't come out of nowhere. It's just the protagonists of the story who understand their workings. It would be like telling a character who discovers the usefulness of many knives in a Swiss Army knife that he has obtained/created a new power (when it was always there, just never really used) To come back to the limitations that are plots divices, they are limitations that affect both the protagonists and the antagonists. And they are reused later in the strategy of the camps. They can be used to facilitate the story at one time T and then serve as an obstacle at another time T. So they are not devices that can be perceived as defects in the work. I remind you that a love triangle for example is a plot device. Is this seen as a flaw in many romantic comedy works? No. Yet it is a cliché filled with scriptural facility when the author needs it to advance the plot. Shadow can become human Shadow can become object Shadow can use a part of itself to become an object Shadow can transform an object into a lot of different things, but hey! There's stakes, they cannot transform as many times as they want because there's a limit D: Shadow's copies will not work 50 meters away from the original shadow 0: Ushio has the same ability of Haine, the Mother, and can also interfere in the will of other shadows :D I'm done. But that's just my opinion, don't get mad pls - "Shadow can become human Shadow can become object" That's the nature of shadows. They can transform on to what they have copied, and that can be anything. - "Shadow can use a part of itself to become an object" Well, yes, it's logical. If a complete shadow can turn into anything. They can transform any part of their body into any object or living being. - "Shadow can transform an object into a lot of different things, but hey! " Shadows cannot transform existing objects, only delete them. What they can change at will is their body according to the data they have recorded. - "There's stakes, they cannot transform as many times as they want because there's a limit D:" Yes, because like any living being, doing an action requires energy. It is therefore logical that they can only transform themselves in a limited way (especially since we can quickly guess that a transformation requires a lot of energy to be performed). - "Shadow's copies will not work 50 meters away from the original shadow 0:" That yes, it can be considered as a plot device. However it is a plot device that concerns both sides and that just allows the story to provoke direct confrontations between shadows and not at a distance, which would make the story boring. - "Ushio has the same ability of Haine, the Mother, and can also interfere in the will of other shadows :D" Well yes because the whole of his shadow is a part of Haine (the famous eye that was caught in episode 15). So if Haine can, so can Ushio. --- It's crazy, everything can be explained without much difficulty in a logical way! Let's stop being in bad faith please... "That's the nature of shadows. They can transform on to what they have copied, and that can be anything" Would be okay if was only this but... "Well, yes, it's logical. If a complete shadow can turn into anything. They can transform any part of their body into any object or living being." No wtf, logical where? This is just random stuff added to the shadow's ability. The shadow transforming its body as a whole it's fine, but then transformin a part that was taken out was just an excuse to creat new routes, it's stupid. It's not bad faith, it's just me looking at how weak the author is in establishing the villains so he keeps updating them lol. I'm not even going to talk about the memories and telepathy things. |
Aug 27, 2022 9:34 AM
#34
Thomas_york said: Yumekua said: Thomas_york said: Yumekua said: There is no "nature of shadows", you are forcing yourself to believe in this but there isn't a logic behind the shadows, there is not. The "logic" is always updated when the show wants, got it? This is not a spoiler but i'll tell you here, i've read the manga and there was the rule that stated you can't use an copied object unless the original is erased, but then pull out some stupid logic to explain why now you can use an copied object tho the lriginal still exist. There'll always be a new random rule about the shadows so the show will take a new route. Pretty stupid stuff.Thomas_york said: Khalil04 said: didn't say is poor ideas, i said that is poorly executed, the way they introduce is dumb.Thomas_york said: Khalil04 said: I've read the manga since ep 19 aired and it's pretty much what i said, the author doesn't know how to establish the powers of the shadow so he keeps adding new abilities whenever the plot needs.Thomas_york said: Khalnayak2002 said: I mean, they always keep adding new abilities and powers to the shadows when it's convenient for the plot and it's not done in a smooth or subtle way, they throw heavy exposition down your throats at inopportune moments and that's totally immersion-breaking and stupid imo, it just shows how weak the author iscertifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff Now that's some unrealistic exaggeration, we simply don't know the limits of the shadow's powers, the characters are exploring them as the story progresses, it's not like they're breaking any rules set before or anything, there's a lot of reasons any watcher can interpret from these new abilities, I wouldn't describe it as you did since we're in the 8th or 9th loop already lol, so if anything these powers are not working blandly for the sake of the good guys, especially when the sense of danger is still there with all the emotional aspects as well, so it's very balanced so far "Oh but you see, the shadow can also copy objects. Oh but you see the shadow can also become the object :) . Oh but you see, the shadow can also take out a part of itself and make it becomes an object he previously copied :D" and so on and so forth, but in a very expositive and uncalled for way What you said still doesn't mean they're poor ideas by any means 🗿 There's someone who noted every power and ability and their logical use , you might want to check them out to fix your problems with the show 👍🏻 And the guy who noted every power and the limits just confirmed what i said, when the plot needs, the show adds new abilities (a ton of them) Except for what we are trying to tell you (apart from the limitations which are divices), these are not new powers. They are already powers that we could guess once we understood the nature of shadows. They don't come out of nowhere. It's just the protagonists of the story who understand their workings. It would be like telling a character who discovers the usefulness of many knives in a Swiss Army knife that he has obtained/created a new power (when it was always there, just never really used) To come back to the limitations that are plots divices, they are limitations that affect both the protagonists and the antagonists. And they are reused later in the strategy of the camps. They can be used to facilitate the story at one time T and then serve as an obstacle at another time T. So they are not devices that can be perceived as defects in the work. I remind you that a love triangle for example is a plot device. Is this seen as a flaw in many romantic comedy works? No. Yet it is a cliché filled with scriptural facility when the author needs it to advance the plot. Shadow can become human Shadow can become object Shadow can use a part of itself to become an object Shadow can transform an object into a lot of different things, but hey! There's stakes, they cannot transform as many times as they want because there's a limit D: Shadow's copies will not work 50 meters away from the original shadow 0: Ushio has the same ability of Haine, the Mother, and can also interfere in the will of other shadows :D I'm done. But that's just my opinion, don't get mad pls - "Shadow can become human Shadow can become object" That's the nature of shadows. They can transform on to what they have copied, and that can be anything. - "Shadow can use a part of itself to become an object" Well, yes, it's logical. If a complete shadow can turn into anything. They can transform any part of their body into any object or living being. - "Shadow can transform an object into a lot of different things, but hey! " Shadows cannot transform existing objects, only delete them. What they can change at will is their body according to the data they have recorded. - "There's stakes, they cannot transform as many times as they want because there's a limit D:" Yes, because like any living being, doing an action requires energy. It is therefore logical that they can only transform themselves in a limited way (especially since we can quickly guess that a transformation requires a lot of energy to be performed). - "Shadow's copies will not work 50 meters away from the original shadow 0:" That yes, it can be considered as a plot device. However it is a plot device that concerns both sides and that just allows the story to provoke direct confrontations between shadows and not at a distance, which would make the story boring. - "Ushio has the same ability of Haine, the Mother, and can also interfere in the will of other shadows :D" Well yes because the whole of his shadow is a part of Haine (the famous eye that was caught in episode 15). So if Haine can, so can Ushio. --- It's crazy, everything can be explained without much difficulty in a logical way! Let's stop being in bad faith please... "That's the nature of shadows. They can transform on to what they have copied, and that can be anything" Would be okay if was only this but... "Well, yes, it's logical. If a complete shadow can turn into anything. They can transform any part of their body into any object or living being." No wtf, logical where? This is just random stuff added to the shadow's ability. The shadow transforming its body as a whole it's fine, but then transformin a part that was taken out was just an excuse to creat new routes, it's stupid. It's not bad faith, it's just me looking at how weak the author is in establishing the villains so he keeps updating them lol. I'm not even going to talk about the memories and telepathy things. It's bad faith to say that it's bad writing and that the author sucks because you find something is not logical in your thought pattern while others find it logical. You don't have a monopoly on logic, it's all about perception (especially in logic). As for the memories, it is related to the power of the eye when it is used at its maximum (and that shinpei cannot use at the moment fully). The memories are relics of the real power of the eye which is at the origin of the whole plot. We already have some clues from the first minute of the show. |
Aug 27, 2022 9:34 AM
#35
| No it's more like a 8.5/10 for me. Good show, I like it. But it isn't amazing in many aspects.Only the mystery aspect they have handled pretty well. |
Aug 27, 2022 9:34 AM
#36
KasutoroSama said: so far its sitting at a 9 for me coz i feel like the animation is a bit inconsistent. it dropped off a bit arround like ep 8 and came bac full force at ep 15 or something. if it ends well, could easily join lycoris recoil and call of the night as 10s for this seasonSo far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. |
Aug 27, 2022 9:44 AM
#37
| You said it yourself, 20 episodes have already come out, but there are 25 to come out and usually the endings disappoint, I hope this is not the case (I haven't read the manga), but it's still too early to say for sure that it's a 10/10. It's an 8/10 for sure at the moment. |
Aug 27, 2022 9:46 AM
#38
Yumekua said: Thomas_york said: Yumekua said: Thomas_york said: Yumekua said: There is no "nature of shadows", you are forcing yourself to believe in this but there isn't a logic behind the shadows, there is not. The "logic" is always updated when the show wants, got it? This is not a spoiler but i'll tell you here, i've read the manga and there was the rule that stated you can't use an copied object unless the original is erased, but then pull out some stupid logic to explain why now you can use an copied object tho the lriginal still exist. There'll always be a new random rule about the shadows so the show will take a new route. Pretty stupid stuff.Thomas_york said: Khalil04 said: didn't say is poor ideas, i said that is poorly executed, the way they introduce is dumb.Thomas_york said: Khalil04 said: I've read the manga since ep 19 aired and it's pretty much what i said, the author doesn't know how to establish the powers of the shadow so he keeps adding new abilities whenever the plot needs.Thomas_york said: Khalnayak2002 said: I mean, they always keep adding new abilities and powers to the shadows when it's convenient for the plot and it's not done in a smooth or subtle way, they throw heavy exposition down your throats at inopportune moments and that's totally immersion-breaking and stupid imo, it just shows how weak the author iscertifiedbinger said: Khalnayak2002 said: KasutoroSama said: So far we're 20 episodes in and this show has been nothing short of a 10/10. They'll have to fall off an insane amount the last five episodes for me to not give this show a 10 on mal. This show has had it all from great mystery to great characters to amazing animation and visuals to a great soundtrack a great story etc. And even after 20 episodes it's still of very high quality. This show is a standard bearer. Eh, its more like 7,8 for me. Would have been 10 if the characters had more depth and they wouldn't use the shadow powers to fill the plot holes too often I agree with the lack of depth in characters, but the word you're looking for is plot devices. There haven't been any plot holes thus far, rather if you go back to previous episodes, you'll see all the little intricacies and foreshadowing. Liking or disliking plot devices is fine, but to categorise one as a plot hole is illogical. That's a whole different territory. Yea, plot device would be better word to use. This show started a 10/10 for me too but then alot of new shadow powers made me lose some interest like hacking and stuff Now that's some unrealistic exaggeration, we simply don't know the limits of the shadow's powers, the characters are exploring them as the story progresses, it's not like they're breaking any rules set before or anything, there's a lot of reasons any watcher can interpret from these new abilities, I wouldn't describe it as you did since we're in the 8th or 9th loop already lol, so if anything these powers are not working blandly for the sake of the good guys, especially when the sense of danger is still there with all the emotional aspects as well, so it's very balanced so far "Oh but you see, the shadow can also copy objects. Oh but you see the shadow can also become the object :) . Oh but you see, the shadow can also take out a part of itself and make it becomes an object he previously copied :D" and so on and so forth, but in a very expositive and uncalled for way What you said still doesn't mean they're poor ideas by any means 🗿 There's someone who noted every power and ability and their logical use , you might want to check them out to fix your problems with the show 👍🏻 And the guy who noted every power and the limits just confirmed what i said, when the plot needs, the show adds new abilities (a ton of them) Except for what we are trying to tell you (apart from the limitations which are divices), these are not new powers. They are already powers that we could guess once we understood the nature of shadows. They don't come out of nowhere. It's just the protagonists of the story who understand their workings. It would be like telling a character who discovers the usefulness of many knives in a Swiss Army knife that he has obtained/created a new power (when it was always there, just never really used) To come back to the limitations that are plots divices, they are limitations that affect both the protagonists and the antagonists. And they are reused later in the strategy of the camps. They can be used to facilitate the story at one time T and then serve as an obstacle at another time T. So they are not devices that can be perceived as defects in the work. I remind you that a love triangle for example is a plot device. Is this seen as a flaw in many romantic comedy works? No. Yet it is a cliché filled with scriptural facility when the author needs it to advance the plot. Shadow can become human Shadow can become object Shadow can use a part of itself to become an object Shadow can transform an object into a lot of different things, but hey! There's stakes, they cannot transform as many times as they want because there's a limit D: Shadow's copies will not work 50 meters away from the original shadow 0: Ushio has the same ability of Haine, the Mother, and can also interfere in the will of other shadows :D I'm done. But that's just my opinion, don't get mad pls - "Shadow can become human Shadow can become object" That's the nature of shadows. They can transform on to what they have copied, and that can be anything. - "Shadow can use a part of itself to become an object" Well, yes, it's logical. If a complete shadow can turn into anything. They can transform any part of their body into any object or living being. - "Shadow can transform an object into a lot of different things, but hey! " Shadows cannot transform existing objects, only delete them. What they can change at will is their body according to the data they have recorded. - "There's stakes, they cannot transform as many times as they want because there's a limit D:" Yes, because like any living being, doing an action requires energy. It is therefore logical that they can only transform themselves in a limited way (especially since we can quickly guess that a transformation requires a lot of energy to be performed). - "Shadow's copies will not work 50 meters away from the original shadow 0:" That yes, it can be considered as a plot device. However it is a plot device that concerns both sides and that just allows the story to provoke direct confrontations between shadows and not at a distance, which would make the story boring. - "Ushio has the same ability of Haine, the Mother, and can also interfere in the will of other shadows :D" Well yes because the whole of his shadow is a part of Haine (the famous eye that was caught in episode 15). So if Haine can, so can Ushio. --- It's crazy, everything can be explained without much difficulty in a logical way! Let's stop being in bad faith please... "That's the nature of shadows. They can transform on to what they have copied, and that can be anything" Would be okay if was only this but... "Well, yes, it's logical. If a complete shadow can turn into anything. They can transform any part of their body into any object or living being." No wtf, logical where? This is just random stuff added to the shadow's ability. The shadow transforming its body as a whole it's fine, but then transformin a part that was taken out was just an excuse to creat new routes, it's stupid. It's not bad faith, it's just me looking at how weak the author is in establishing the villains so he keeps updating them lol. I'm not even going to talk about the memories and telepathy things. It's bad faith to say that it's bad writing and that the author sucks because you find something is not logical in your thought pattern while others find it logical. You don't have a monopoly on logic, it's all about perception (especially in logic). As for the memories, it is related to the power of the eye when it is used at its maximum (and that shinpei cannot use at the moment fully). The memories are relics of the real power of the eye which is at the origin of the whole plot. We already have some clues from the first minute of the show. It's not logical to be able to transform a part of your body that was taken out, it's just a ability that was introduced so the story would have more ways to go. For the other things i didn't stated it was not logical bruh, i said it's conviniently introduced when the plot needs. I wouldn't say the author sucks if these were the only problems this anime/manga have, there is a ton of others that makes everything bad. But in summary, throw a ton of uncalled exposition down the audience's throat when it's convenient for the plot it's cheap and weak. If everything was so logical and hinted as you said, there'd be no reason or excuse to have a whole segment of exposition about the shadow's abilities (and this happens MANY TIMES in this show). |
Aug 27, 2022 10:01 AM
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Aug 27, 2022 10:20 AM
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