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From rape, to the sexualization of children/teens, to the topic of slavery, anime has lots of problematic elements that a lot of anime fans just ignore because “fiction”. This can in turn normalize a lot of elements that border along problematic, as well as provide safe spaces for people who actually believe in controversial/problematic ideas.

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Aug 12, 2022 8:37 PM
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It is called anime. Go touch grass, my guy.
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Aug 12, 2022 8:39 PM
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Nice b8 m8 I r8 8/8.

But I'll humor you. People who cannot differentiate between fantasy and reality should be euthanized.



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Aug 12, 2022 8:42 PM
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Me pulling the last remaining bit of strength left to attempt to care:
Aug 12, 2022 8:43 PM
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"to the sexualization of children/teens"

Yes, if there's anything I remember about being a teenager, it's that nobody ever thought about sex, had sex, or found their same-age peers sexually attractive.

Come on, this nonsense "light-switch model" of human sexuality (i.e. "it flips from Off to On at age 18 or highschool graduation, whichever comes later") needs to be left in the dustbin of hoary ideas. We can have regulations that protect actual human beings from exploitation (such as age-of-consent and child-pornography laws) without demonizing drawn/animated fictional media.
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we should ditch the notion of something's presence in fiction equating to normalization or promotion

in closing
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Go touch grass, my guy.
Aug 12, 2022 8:43 PM
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Yeah just like how games like GTA have normalized murder, right?
Aug 12, 2022 8:46 PM
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It's too desensitized to gore, but there can never be enough sex.
Aug 12, 2022 8:47 PM
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IpreferEcchi said:
It's too desensitized to gore, but there can never be enough sex.

But sex is stinky. Gore is only stinky if it is left to sit out for too long.
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"There's a huge difference between one and infinity.
However, compared to the difference between
existence and non-existence, one and infinite are
nearly the same. I am the child destined to become
the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!"
-Maria Ushiromiya
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Aug 12, 2022 8:53 PM
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Got to love those Neo Christian buzz phrases of "Problematic and safe spaces". They never give up looking for Demons to rally against do they.
Aug 12, 2022 8:55 PM

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Got to love those Neo Christian buzz phrases of "Problematic and safe spaces". They never give up looking for Demons to rally against do they.

The far ends of the spectrum truly are one and the same.
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"There's a huge difference between one and infinity.
However, compared to the difference between
existence and non-existence, one and infinite are
nearly the same. I am the child destined to become
the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!"
-Maria Ushiromiya
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Aug 12, 2022 8:58 PM

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yes, Abunai Sisters is the best anime ever
Aug 12, 2022 9:00 PM

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lol the guy who deleted his responses and changed his OP is the one claiming others are avoiding the argument.
Aug 12, 2022 9:00 PM
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MegaStride said:
_FRB_ said:
we should ditch the notion of something's presence in fiction equating to normalization or promotion


Considering lolicon material is the equivalent to CP irl, there are arguments to be had on if the normalization of it in anime/hentai has caused the culture of it to desensitize people to it and flocked bad actors.


that's... a lot to take in, definitely raises doubt in you saying you're not trolling

putting aside the claim that lolicon is equivalent to real child pornography, if there are arguments to be had you're welcome to make them, but you'd have to show something other than "I think this could be happening" cause I don't really want to research CSA/CSE trends for you
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MegaStride said:
From rape, to the sexualization of children/teens, to the topic of slavery, anime has lots of problematic elements that a lot of anime fans just ignore because “fiction”. This can in turn normalize a lot of elements that border along problematic, as well as provide safe spaces for people who actually believe in controversial/problematic ideas.


I'm actually more amazed at people gatekeeping fictional themes for fiction just because "it normalizes things". People have to understand that there's simply different cultures and that anime is definitely not aimed at a western audience.

Behind that "sexualization" of teens, there is a message for the young population of Japan to set loose, because Japan rules in school (or pretty much anything) are very strict, which leads to isolation and people being too shy and/or with a severe social anxiety.

Behind Slavery/Rape themes there's a portrayal of human horror that should send a positive message rather than "Normalize it" (well, more than positive, it's a grim reminder, like Perfect Blue for example)

Japan has many issues in it's society and Anime is one of the scapegoats for them.

War existed way before any fictional thing ever existed, there was no video games that caused war in the past, and if anything had influenced people before, it's not the fiction's fault, is the fault of negligent parents that does not properly educate their children by making them learn the difference from real life and fiction. As always, people will shift the blame to others and not themselves.
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Aug 12, 2022 9:02 PM

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MegaStride said:
From rape, to the sexualization of children/teens, to the topic of slavery, anime has lots of problematic elements that a lot of anime fans just ignore because “fiction”. This can in turn normalize a lot of elements that border along problematic, as well as provide safe spaces for people who actually believe in controversial/problematic ideas.

nice bait thread go outside and touch grass op

Aug 12, 2022 9:09 PM

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Oh hey, op actually learned. Good on you.
Aug 12, 2022 9:14 PM
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"to the sexualization of children/teens"

Yes, if there's anything I remember about being a teenager, it's that nobody ever thought about sex, had sex, or found their same-age peers sexually attractive.

Come on, this nonsense "light-switch model" of human sexuality (i.e. "it flips from Off to On at age 18 or highschool graduation, whichever comes later") needs to be left in the dustbin of hoary ideas. We can have regulations that protect actual human beings from exploitation (such as age-of-consent and child-pornography laws) without demonizing drawn/animated fictional media.


Perfect response. And the thing is most of these shows are aimed towards a young demographic. Whereas I gather that most of these people are older adults watching these shows. So they obviously lack self-awareness of the age group that it's directed towards.
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Not even an hour into the thread and OP already gave up, guess hard conversations aren't their strong suit. I can gather from the replies what this thread was about, shame. Either way, seems OP has a trend with this sort of thing, being unable to engage, given some of their previous threads.

I do find it ironic that OP wants to talk about the morality and ethics of something when he created a thread talking about and advocating for "The anime industry should continue it’s poor work environment" just so he can get "more" anime.


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Aug 12, 2022 9:36 PM

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AdolZeppeli said:
MegaStride said:
From rape, to the sexualization of children/teens, to the topic of slavery, anime has lots of problematic elements that a lot of anime fans just ignore because “fiction”. This can in turn normalize a lot of elements that border along problematic, as well as provide safe spaces for people who actually believe in controversial/problematic ideas.


I'm actually more amazed at people gatekeeping fictional themes for fiction just because "it normalizes things". People have to understand that there's simply different cultures and that anime is definitely not aimed at a western audience.

Behind that "sexualization" of teens, there is a message for the young population of Japan to set loose, because Japan rules in school (or pretty much anything) are very strict, which leads to isolation and people being too shy and/or with a severe social anxiety.

Behind Slavery/Rape themes there's a portrayal of human horror that should send a positive message rather than "Normalize it" (well, more than positive, it's a grim reminder, like Perfect Blue for example)

Japan has many issues in it's society and Anime is one of the scapegoats for them.

War existed way before any fictional thing ever existed, there was no video games that caused war in the past, and if anything had influenced people before, it's not the fiction's fault, is the fault of negligent parents that does not properly educate their children by making them learn the difference from real life and fiction. As always, people will shift the blame to others and not themselves.

Damn dude, you destroyed op so badly with this response that he deleted his posts. Based.
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"There's a huge difference between one and infinity.
However, compared to the difference between
existence and non-existence, one and infinite are
nearly the same. I am the child destined to become
the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!"
-Maria Ushiromiya
☆☆☆

Aug 12, 2022 9:52 PM
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MegaStride said:
From rape, to the sexualization of children/teens, to the topic of slavery, anime has lots of problematic elements that a lot of anime fans just ignore because “fiction”. This can in turn normalize a lot of elements that border along problematic, as well as provide safe spaces for people who actually believe in controversial/problematic ideas.


So, I guess we're going to conveniently ignore gun violence, people getting stabbed or run through with swords, and even dismemberment as problematic and desensitizing content? Because that shit is heavy in a lot of TV shows outside of anime. Not to mention that people have fun playing games with that type of content in it. And yet crimes like that go on to this day without a decrease in their representation in media. People complain so much about sexualization and the type of characters that get sexualized. But often times these people fail to take into consideration the demographic of the shows their watching as it seems like most of them are adults watching shows that's intended for a younger audience. I don't condone rape or slavery. But their presence in themselves in fiction don't have to be inherently problematic depending on the messages they send. The fact is no one is going to have a pure mind from any type of problematic content unless they're very religious and have lived in a bubble all their life from this type of content on TV or anywhere.
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The op will never be able to recover from this.
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"There's a huge difference between one and infinity.
However, compared to the difference between
existence and non-existence, one and infinite are
nearly the same. I am the child destined to become
the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!"
-Maria Ushiromiya
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Aug 13, 2022 1:10 AM

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heaven forbid someone believe in controversial ideas. Hopefully in the future every human being shares the same bland, safe opinions.
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So, what is this topic about? I don't quite understand, sorry.
Aug 13, 2022 1:36 AM

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Sotara said:
So, what is this topic about? I don't quite understand, sorry.

This is the original opening post that the op deleted:

"Are anime fans desensitized?"

MegaStride said:
From rape, to the sexualization of children/teens, to the topic of slavery, anime has lots of problematic elements that a lot of anime fans just ignore because “fiction”. This can in turn normalize a lot of elements that border along problematic, as well as provide safe spaces for people who actually believe in controversial/problematic ideas.
EndlessMariaAug 13, 2022 1:47 AM
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"There's a huge difference between one and infinity.
However, compared to the difference between
existence and non-existence, one and infinite are
nearly the same. I am the child destined to become
the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!"
-Maria Ushiromiya
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EndlessMaria said:
Sotara said:
So, what is this topic about? I don't quite understand, sorry.

This is the original opening post that the op deleted:

"Are anime fans desensitized?"

MegaStride said:
From rape, to the sexualization of children/teens, to the topic of slavery, anime has lots of problematic elements that a lot of anime fans just ignore because “fiction”. This can in turn normalize a lot of elements that border along problematic, as well as provide safe spaces for people who actually believe in controversial/problematic ideas.

Oh, I see, thanks. It was deleted so I didn't see it.
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I can't ignore. I need to know goddamnit.
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man intentionally made this thread in anime discussion instead of casual discussion
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Added this thread to my list of ignored topics
 

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ain't no way MAL lets you change titles of posts? that's wack lmao
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This dude just got damn ratio'd lmao.
You all need to watch Nami.

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Jesus nearly 6000 posts and they don't know better than to start another one of these?
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that i just don't know
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MegaStride said:
Never mind I chose the wrong community to ask. This community is not mature enough to have grown-up conversations without trolling and avoiding the argument with insults.

You act like we don't have a thread like that literally every day.
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You can't make this shit up. XD
Did I missed anything?

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Wow, going so far to edit your forum to call people immature after they roasted you with reasonable responces. This shit is funny lol




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How tf do you have nearly 6000 posts and think this topic works as anything but bait? Lmao

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Damn, dude got ratio'd so fucking hard he had to change the thread name lmaoooooo
is it really worf to put things in here like nobody reads these

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Ah, I think I've missed this one lmao.
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No, I don't think I will. Nice try, tho
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Quite the mistake to post in anime discussion and not CD for this kind of topic.
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AdolZeppeli said:
MegaStride said:
From rape, to the sexualization of children/teens, to the topic of slavery, anime has lots of problematic elements that a lot of anime fans just ignore because “fiction”. This can in turn normalize a lot of elements that border along problematic, as well as provide safe spaces for people who actually believe in controversial/problematic ideas.


I'm actually more amazed at people gatekeeping fictional themes for fiction just because "it normalizes things". People have to understand that there's simply different cultures and that anime is definitely not aimed at a western audience.

Behind that "sexualization" of teens, there is a message for the young population of Japan to set loose, because Japan rules in school (or pretty much anything) are very strict, which leads to isolation and people being too shy and/or with a severe social anxiety.

Behind Slavery/Rape themes there's a portrayal of human horror that should send a positive message rather than "Normalize it" (well, more than positive, it's a grim reminder, like Perfect Blue for example)

Japan has many issues in it's society and Anime is one of the scapegoats for them.

War existed way before any fictional thing ever existed, there was no video games that caused war in the past, and if anything had influenced people before, it's not the fiction's fault, is the fault of negligent parents that does not properly educate their children by making them learn the difference from real life and fiction. As always, people will shift the blame to others and not themselves.

Response so fiery, that op deleted his own comment. 💯💯💯💯
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what else did u expect, lol. it's mostly kids or horny kids here or well, not kids who are into the former. those weirdos will even debate u that they arent in the wrong. would love to seem em do that irl with anyone with sane morals tho. this place is just a šhitstorm of cringe. doubt u can find many serious grown up ppl here that would discuss. well, except me and few other but i dont wish to discuss anything here rly. i just stop by here to feel better about my sad life when i read some stuff here
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what else did u expect, lol. it's mostly kids or horny kids here or well, not kids who are into the former. those weirdos will even debate u that they arent in the wrong. would love to seem em do that irl with anyone with sane morals tho. this place is just a šhitstorm of cringe. doubt u can find many serious grown up ppl here that would discuss. well, except me and few other but i dont wish to discuss anything here rly. i just stop by here to feel better about my sad life when i read some stuff here


Yeah I’ve just given up trying to talk to these people that is semi-serious. MAL forums really is just a place for neckbeards who are too into anime. Someone above really typed out a 5 paragraph comment talking about the nuances of slavery and sexualizing minors as a “deeper message for the Japanese audience”. You can’t make that stuff up. I doubt they’d ever argue their twisted morals irl because they know that they are freaks.
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MegaStride said:
BunnyGirlHubby said:
what else did u expect, lol. it's mostly kids or horny kids here or well, not kids who are into the former. those weirdos will even debate u that they arent in the wrong. would love to seem em do that irl with anyone with sane morals tho. this place is just a šhitstorm of cringe. doubt u can find many serious grown up ppl here that would discuss. well, except me and few other but i dont wish to discuss anything here rly. i just stop by here to feel better about my sad life when i read some stuff here


Yeah I’ve just given up trying to talk to these people that is semi-serious. MAL forums really is just a place for neckbeards who are too into anime. Someone above really typed out a 5 paragraph comment talking about the nuances of slavery and sexualizing minors as a “deeper message for the Japanese audience”. You can’t make that stuff up. I doubt they’d ever argue their twisted morals irl because they know that they are freaks.


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couldnt agree more. last month i was stalked by some lolicon pedo because i called him out for liking something disgusting and immoral. he kept defending lolicons and trying to start flame wars with me.
i'd like to see them try that irl face to face with anyone sane.

it's a shame sis/loli-con shit is such a big thing in anime. my favourite anime monogatari is perfect in every way except for humor revolving around sis/loli-con stuff.
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