Is Re:Zero the best Isekai?

Stacias said:
Is Re:Zero the best Isekai or not?

swagxmagician said:
I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero

Stacias said:
Is Re:Zero the best Isekai or not?

official_brown said:
Yes, way better than mid-tensei

nVn123 said:

Rezero is fucking boring, and by far the most atrocious show I've ever had the misfortune to watch. That shits so bad it made me feel all kinds of discomfort in my life, and i barely completed those 50 episodes.
MT is the goated isekai. Slime Isekai, Shield hero s1 and konosuba are some other good isekais.

nVn123 said:

easily the best isekai lol what?
Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero.

nVn123 said:

rezero is not even mid, it is a stream pile of hot garbage. I would rather stare at a blank wall for hours than watch this show again.

swagxmagician said:
mushoku tensei is objectively worse than re:zero. Worse characters. worse OST, worse worldbuilding, worse plot. The only thing Mushoku beats Re:zero on is the magic system, and that's barely.

nVn123 said:

MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit.
The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason.
And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre.

swagxmagician said:
Mushoku mid at best imo. Same tier as SAO

nVn123 said:

Shit Zero is boring, the characters are uninteresting and bland, the plot goes nowhere, the setting was uninspired with almost zero world building, the story was cliche and the music is just meh.
ReZero doesn't hold a candle to Mushoku Tensei, it's just a pretentious and superficial story with no depth whatsoever.

swagxmagician said:
MT has no story, it’s just a harem anime like rent a GF

nVn123 said:

You're just sprouting random BS at this point lmao.

swagxmagician said:
Mid Tensei doesn’t hold a candle to Re:Zero. Subaru might be the best MC of all time and Rudeus is generic. People hyped up Turning Point 2 to be one of the best episodes of all time but that shit was average at best compared to the peaks of Re:Zero. It’s just a show with nothing but fan service of panties and a harem like Rent a GF. Mid at best. If you don’t think Re:Zero is better, it’s because you aren’t smart enough to understand it.

nVn123 said:

Bro thinks he is smarter after watching that repetitive piece of shit lmao. There are far more better shows of similar genre like erased and summertime render, which actually make sense.
Also, subaru the best mc lol what? He is probably one of the worst mc I've ever seen, he suddenly goes from being an useless NEET to being a super reliable guy, while the other characters remain underdeveloped and static throughout the entire show. Heck even kazuya from rent a gf is somewhat less pathetic than this abomination of a character.

Stacias said:
Is Re:Zero the best Isekai or not?

swagxmagician said:
erased had a terrible ending and was still better than MT, Summertime Render is a worse version of Re:Zero with a worse OST, worse characters, and worse world building. It’s still better than MT though. Also, both MC’s are still better than Rudeus. At least Subaru has real reasons to cry unlike Rudeus that cried because he got laid and ran off on by his loli harem girl. MT is generic as fuck

nVn123 said:

World building is not necessary for every anime, particularly if it's not an isekai. (Even so summertime render has a better and more vibrant world than reZero lol) . Moreover a bad ending cannot downplay the likability of the entirety of the show(Erased).
And your only argument against mt here is that it's Bad, but you have no strong reasons to support why, unlike me who just listed all the possible causes for why I think rezero is trash.

swagxmagician said:
it’s average. No character aside from Rudy had any character development, they managed to all stay boring and flat. The world isn’t interesting, Rudy is a typical OP protagonist with a harem like every other isekai and he’s not even a good protagonist either. Most of the season felt like filler, especially when he was in the beast village. It’s just an extremely average show. People that say it’s the best isekai probably think that SAO is also the best isekai.

nVn123 said:

are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones.
Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character.
Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult.
Rudeus had one of the best character development, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past.
ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason.

INSANELYWP said:
second to mushoku tensei imo

nVn123 said:

are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones.
Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character.
Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult.
Rudeus had one of the best character development too, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past.
ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason.

AsuxAX said:

you like Isekai with pedo mc?

daredevil_x said:
If there was anime for TBATE it will be the best. 2nd Mushoku Tensei And 3rd will be Rezero.

swagxmagician said:
if you don’t think Emilia didn’t have character development you didn’t watch the show, so you obviously can’t have an opinion in this. Emilia before and after her trials are almost completely different characters. She became way more confident in herself and she was able to make decisions on her own instead of second guessing herself. Instead of a reactionary character she caused the reaction. Rujierd was the exact same character from the start of the show to the end of the show. Rujierd was never a violent warrior, he became violent because of a curse. Did you even watch the show? Eris had less development than Rem and Emilia. Rem went from a self-deprecating character to one that had faith in herself, and no longer felt like she was in her sister’s shadow. She finally felt like she had a purpose in life after Subaru saved her. She stopped being cold to everyone and opened up. If you say there was no character development in Re:Zero, you didn’t even watch past episode 1. Subaru developed more in episode 1 than Rudy did in the first 10 episodes.

nVn123 said:

You're just biased af for rezero, that's clearly visible from your answers since I watched the entire show as well.
No.Emilia had no character development, she remained a bland af character from starting to finish. She only has a limited vocabulary everytime we see her on screen. She solely exists for Subaru to be an idiot and lust over her and basically be a trophy waifu. She's a goal/prize rather than an actual character, a detriment to this series and is nothing more than a plot device. Confidence or whatever you're talking about is just an excuse to cover up for her negligible growth throughout the series.
Ruijerd before meeting rudeus and eris didn't have a purpose, but eventually he developed a lot and finally had an ambition to pursue, i.e clearing the name of his superd race, which he initially gave up upon helplessly, and was just agonising about his past blunders. For a side character, that's decent enough character progression.
"Eris had less development than rem and emilia". Lmao the internet and everyone else who watched both the shows says otherwise.
MT unlike rezero had realistic character development. Mushoku has some of the most human characters ever.
"Subaru developed more in episode 1 than rudy did in the first 10 episodes".Thats the point, you can't expect changes right away, his redeeming arc is slow but progressive, he gradually becomes a better person from an insufferable douchebag, this series is about rudeus living his life because he failed to do so in his previous one, also meanwhile learning from his past.
This is what makes MT significantly better than rezero, the story has realistic humane characters, actions have consequences, the world building is immaculate, how the show addresses trauma and recovery from it. Also the animation and art style of MT is leagues above rezero, the production quality is top notch, the fights especially the dragon God vs rudeus crew fight was brilliantly executed and animated, compared to the lackluster ones in rezero.

swagxmagician said:
not reading that because you’re wrong and I’m right. Rudeus = boring. Eris = generic tsundere. Rujierd = boring. I’m not biased for Re:zero, I’m right.

nVn123 said:

lmao good for you.
facts don't care about opinions anyway lol.

swagxmagician said:
just like it’s a fact that Re:zero is better than Midshoku Shitsei! Glad you agree

nVn123 said:

midshoku shitsei=no meaning
Shit Zero=feels like an actual title.
truly an anime deserving of it's title👑.

swagxmagician said:
shit zero is already a better anime than Midshoku Shitsei! it’s crazy that Rudeus starts working with the Dragon God because the Man God threatens to kill Rudy’s family! Rudeus has erectile dysfunction after his lolI harem no character development Eris leaves him! Hope I didn’t spoil anything! Still a worse plot than Re:zero though.

nVn123 said:

don't mind the spoilers but why are you discussing random plot points here lmao.
I have given enough reasons by now why I believe mt is better than reZero, but you had no sensible counter arguments against all these, except for repeatedly branding of Rudeus as an incel, which is true, but his development from this state is basically the point of the series.
Animation, world building, character interactions and development, realism, music, story,etc.all of these makes MT superior to reZero, there is a reason why it's called the grandfather of the IseKai genre.

satnggg said:


You seem to contradict yourself.

swagxmagician said:
except Re:zero is better with everything you just listed so you’re factually wrong. Better music, characters, development, plot, world building, character design, and is a much more mature story. I’ve literally countered all of your points and you say I’ve said nothing so you must’ve not even read what I said. You don’t even know what your own show is about since you’re calling Rujierd a violent warrior that developed into a father figure LMAO that’s just false. Rujierd had no character development, he was a static character, which is fine but don’t try to label him as something else. Re:Zero has the best character development of any isekai and it’s not close, that’s almost the purpose of Return by Death from a writing perspective. Everytime Subaru dies the characters around him change based on his interactions with them and you get to see how they develop from his first meeting with them with him vs the main timeline of the story. With Rem, you get to see her go from a person with 0 confidence in the shadow of her sister that’s also hot-headed and over-protective to someone that is able to become her own person and is able to make decisions without being rash. Rem and Emilia both had more character development than even Rudeus did, not just Mushoku’s side characters. Subaru had more character development than every character in Mushoku combined. If you didn’t get that then you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re just not capable of understanding it. Please go rewatch Mushoku because you obviously didn’t get the story. Maybe once you rewatch you’ll understand that it’s average at best.

nVn123 said:

You didn't counter any of my points, you just regurgitated everything I said back to me lol.
Music and Plot favouritism can be subjective, but MT definitely had some of the best character development and world building seen in recent years, along with a strong cast of side characters, the reasons which made it immensely popular.
"You're just not capable of understanding it" lmao this is the perfect excuse fans give when they know their show is trash. There are far more Intellectually stimulating shows then this one, with far more deep and mature themes. You don't need to be a genius to understand reZero.
It also has some potential plot holes, the primary one being the return by death power.
There were multiple ways to explain his special situation(drawing, writing, body language) but no he needs to say it in words despite clear restrictions. Even if it didn't work, he could have atleast tried it.
"Subaru had better character development than every character of MT combined".Again, that's an exaggeration, backed up by nothing other than your biased-ness.
To many people including me, Subaru's character development was almost non existent. Sure he went from being a shut in to a super reliable guy suddenly, but mentally he remained the same old crybaby that he was before, throwing tantrums and acting as if he owns the world. Also his obsession with emilia for no apparent reasons is cringy and creepy at the same time.
Rudy on the other hand, developed slowly but progressively, eventually becoming better and better than his previous self. Also his change was visible, for an average viewer as well.
Also, for the nth time, no emilia had no significant growth throughout the series, the one you talked about(confidence) is not some groundbreaking development, it's just maturity at best. She is just designed to be the perfect flawless waifu and that's it.
Rem did have some good development but ultimately she's waifu bait as well, and I don't see her much relevant to the story.

swagxmagician said:
Except everyone knows that Subaru had great character development. Way better development than Rudy and it’s not close. Watch more anime and maybe you’ll have better opinions because now you’re wrong and you don’t even know your own story.

nVn123 said:

"Way better development" How exactly?
Can you elaborate?
"Way more than Rudy"
Do you have reasons to prove how or is it just lip service?
"Watch more anime" I don't need to watch more anime to understand that Subaru is a wimpass pathetic character with zero depth and likability.

swagxmagician said:
ive already given you plenty of examples but I guess you just aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. Should I dumb it down a bit for my little buddy? Does my wittle MT fan need me to hold his hand?

nVn123 said:

Judging by your replies from this thread, I'm probably older and smarter than you lol.
Unlike you here, I tried countering each of your arguments point wise, while you resorted to silly little comebacks, as fitting for a nine year old like you.