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Aug 3, 2022 7:25 PM

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On positive note, I like it because hopefully it ends the rat race era and always seeing exact same persons review's on the main page. There's a chance More coherent, thoughtful and measured reviews will come back.

On Negative Note, It just doesn't feels right and looks awful. I mean the reviews sections is already dead when they remove the unhelpful button, but everytime MAL makes new update it making things even worse.
Aug 3, 2022 8:29 PM

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Saku_k said:
kyonkyonkun said:
whats the difference? owo im new so idk

They've hidden scores at the bottom of reviews so they aren't visible on the page, and instead replaced it with a 3 point system (Not Recommended, Mixed Feelings, Recommended), which isn't particularly useful, as both a 7/10 show and 10/10 show might be recommended, but there is an obvious difference that won't be reflected because of this.

They've also removed the option to vote for a review as being helpful, and instead replaced it with facebook emojis. So now, if you want to find which reviews were voted the most helpful, you will instead see reviews that were voted "funny" "creative" or "love it" which isn't particularly useful feedback, and doesn't mean anything.

Previously, when writing a review, you would be able to give seperate scores for things like animation, story, music, etc but they've removed all that.
In explaining why they say: "(1) these scores weren't visible on the main view of the review (unless you knew the trick to make it appear), and (2) we found it gave writers the impression that they were required to break their reviews down into these sections, which we wanted to avoid."
But for 1) you could just make them visible and 2) they could add an explanation saying it wasn't required.

You can read more here https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2034720
thanks, ive just read

i dont like this update at alll! even if it'll help not having the same users as the top. cant they just add a dislike button instead?
Aug 4, 2022 3:28 AM
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I am neutral. Couldn't care less at all.
Aug 4, 2022 10:34 AM

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Shit but maybe they'll improve it with the next update.
Aug 4, 2022 11:04 AM
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The score being hidden until the end of the review does help in necessitating reading a review rather than simply viewing the number, which is good as the reasoning behind a score is far more important than the score itself. Everything else though ranges from unnecessary to blatantly damaged. The "nice, love it, funny" choices are overall pointless compared to simply voting it as helpful (or not helpful in MAL's earlier years) was far more efficient and with less vague parameters. The "Recommended, Mixed Feelings, Not Recommended" displays are also a major oversight as it goes by the common fallacy that a rating solely displays a reviewer's feelings on a work (despite the rating logically denoting purely quality). For instance, someone might rate a work low for being a poor work on an objective level yet still find value in viewing it in a "so bad it's good" manner that would go against it not being recommended. This isn't so much an issue with new reviews that allow you to choose these specifics but the fact that the new system is so presumptuous in the first place is a flaw.

In short, I picked the second option. It's one step forward and 2 or 3 steps back.
Aug 4, 2022 11:10 AM

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Not really a fan of thechange but I don't care that much either way.

Just seems like a kind of pointless change tbh
Aug 4, 2022 3:52 PM

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As I said in a different forum.

I'm on the fence when it comes to the whole thing here. As I can see there is potential and good when it comes to the update itself, and if maybe ironed out more, it would actually be better. Could even bring back the previous upvote number system to go along with it. Or least find a way to work it with the like/love parts. Should also remove the confusing one, as that really doesn't make sense to me. Like. if you put confusing under a review, what are you confused about? We'll never know, so what's the point of it? If anything, there should be a proper feedback option, where people can if they wanted to give thoughts on their reviews, where they agree or disagree. I also don't think a dislike option, or downvote option is the best idea. Cause it's been proven before, that if put the right motion in, MAL can easily be toyed with. Whats stopping those who only see numbers, and clout, force downvoting, others reviews with many accounts, all to get their own on top or something? It would need to be properly managed.

It's why a feedback option would be best, that way it lets people know what they think of your reviews, and how you can either do better, or know how your review truly fared. But that's all I gotta say about it. If they ironed it out a bit more, maybe it'd be better. Otherwise, I'd go back to the previous one pronto.
Aug 4, 2022 3:56 PM

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No I don't, it bothers me that they removed the score on top of the reviews and moved all the way down. Old one was more simple and just better overall.
Aug 4, 2022 4:08 PM

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I might give it some time but generally, it has more benefits than negative points.

i personally hate the emoticons.
Aug 4, 2022 4:15 PM

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I'm mixed on it, but more leaning towards not liking it. I mean I know that giving three major options (Recommended, Not Recommended, Mixed Feelings) isn't far from our current 10-point score system, but I liked how seeing the score immediately gave me a kind of feeling about the review from the outset, and then reading the review confirmed that score, or explained why it was scored that way. I don't really agree that this encourages actually reading reviews more than the old system did, and I'd argue that people who want to read reviews will read them, regardless. Just like people who want to skip through reviews will do the same. Seeing the score initially wouldn't really change that, and now we get a more vague marking instead, with the score at the bottom.

I also really liked seeing scores at the top, because it would lead me to check out profiles and see what that '5' or that '10' means to the reviewer in general, and led me to finding more reviews that I appreciate because they fall in line with how I see things, too.

The new system isn't terrible, but it could be so much better, too. Also, this is super petty, probably- but the emoticons just don't fit with MAL's overall aesthetic; something is just really off about them, compared to the rest of MAL's site.



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Aug 4, 2022 5:12 PM

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I just don't care much at this point so last option.
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Aug 4, 2022 11:20 PM

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I heavily dislike it and by extension, like it less than the preceding one which I have always found quite pleasant, easy to navigate, and more than sufficient.

The current one is a symptom of a larger problem though, which is that it's just part of the abhorrent general push to try and forcibly convert all websites' design layouts and user interface for those accessing them from a desktop or laptop computer at home to fit the obnoxious and inferior mobile designs to cater to smartphone users and general smartphone culture, mindset, and mentality. Personally I have nothing but sheer distaste and revulsion for and toward it.

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I never really cared about reviews.
Aug 7, 2022 7:19 AM

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Hope that soon this new review system will be improved and dislike button will be added as many people here want.
Aug 7, 2022 7:31 AM

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It's bad, no wonder most people supporting it are the ones who always whine ad nauseam on the forums that people are hating on their favourite anime, and resort to outright slander and libel towards the top reviewers, such as accusing them of cheating with bots and going so far as accusing them of holding a "reviewer cartel" (lmao). All for daring to have their own opinions.

The top reviewers were there for a reason, rather petty to just negate all their effort just because you dislike what they say. If people felt it was unfair for the "same people to always appear on top" they could just stop ranting and complaining for a minute on the forums and write their own reviews.

Honestly, a simple "dislike" button, as many here pointed out, would suffice. This way we could actually voice our opinions and control better what gets to the top, instead of just giving variations of "very cool" that don't really mean anything in the end, and we wouldn't be going through this shitstorm. This is one of the worst aspects of this shitty negativity-free corporate bull.

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I No option for negative feedback, if you criticize them on the forums you get banned and if you go to the writer's profile it's seen as harassment.


Is it? Every top negative reviewer always end up with dozens of insults and complaints on their profile, I thought mods didn't give a fuck.
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It's bad, no wonder most people supporting it are the ones who always whine ad nauseam on the forums that people are hating on their favourite anime, and resort to outright slander and libel towards the top reviewers, such as accusing them of cheating with bots and going so far as accusing them of holding a "reviewer cartel" (lmao). All for daring to have their own opinions.

The top reviewers were there for a reason, rather petty to just negate all their effort just because you dislike what they say. If people felt it was unfair for the "same people to always appear on top" they could just stop ranting and complaining for a minute on the forums and write their own reviews.

Honestly, a simple "dislike" button, as many here pointed out, would suffice. This way we could actually voice our opinions and control better what gets to the top, instead of just giving variations of "very cool" that don't really mean anything in the end, and we wouldn't be going through this shitstorm. This is one of the worst aspects of this shitty negativity-free corporate bull.

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I No option for negative feedback, if you criticize them on the forums you get banned and if you go to the writer's profile it's seen as harassment.


Is it? Every top negative reviewer always end up with dozens of insults and complaints on their profile, I thought mods didn't give a fuck.


I mean you do have to report them, but I know people who got banned just from criticizing a popular reviewer in a forum thread because it got reported and they counted it as 'personal insults' to call their reviews trash.
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Aug 15, 2022 9:07 AM

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the great thing about the old review system was that you could see what people gave the individual categories like Story, Sound, Characters and Animation. If someone gave an Anime a low score for animation you know they are just hating on it. Because most modern anime have animation that's at least 5/10.
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the great thing about the old review system was that you could see what people gave the individual categories like Story, Sound, Characters and Animation. If someone gave an Anime a low score for animation you know they are just hating on it. Because most modern anime have animation that's at least 5/10.


I agree with everything except modern anime being 5 minimum animation wise.

even between the more main stream ones tokyo revengers for example was below average, and hige hiro was just terrible.

and even if we ignore the subpar ones, stuff like tesla note and ex arm are without argument below 5.

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Manaban said:
NextUniverse said:

This is just a lie, you can criticise freely. Just don't be an "average MAL user" and blow shit out of your asshole.

Go for it, then, boy-o. Be sure to mention the exact review, reviewer, and cite where they say (x) thing you claim they said instead of just doing it in an ultra-generalized, non-specific way. Otherwise, walk on eggshells and be as civil as you can possibly be. No insults or inflammatory nonsense. Let's see what comes of that.

Where exactly are you suggesting for this to be done?
Aug 15, 2022 5:54 PM
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Sheklon said:
Manaban said:

Go for it, then, boy-o. Be sure to mention the exact review, reviewer, and cite where they say (x) thing you claim they said instead of just doing it in an ultra-generalized, non-specific way. Otherwise, walk on eggshells and be as civil as you can possibly be. No insults or inflammatory nonsense. Let's see what comes of that.

Where exactly are you suggesting for this to be done?

From my experience? A thread someone else made about reviewers on this site and/or styles of reviews you don't like.

Aug 15, 2022 6:17 PM
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I think the spoilers radio button option is fine to tag it that way (better than a 'spoiler' in the review to be mentioned instead. And it being visible/effective or not. So a tag with it is great.

If they changed episode/chapter counts I have no idea though. I always wait until it's ended or I finish it to review it especially niche manga with no reviews or 1 other review.

But otherwise the single score isn't as good as the 4 separate ones and the overall score as they gave more of an idea about what led the reviewer to the overall and what areas they thought about it more strongly than others. More factors is better than 1.

There is a reason when magazines or Youtubers did it, it was a solid format the more they limit it sure it's less thought and time put into a score but the more factors the better it defines things besides what the review says if the reviewer doesn't say much in the review but does the score. I'm fine with reviews being detailed but some don't and want that breakdown.

It threw me off at first as hadn't reviewed in a while then 'oh they changed it' but still it's a fine idea but I think a mix of the two would be better.
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Manaban said:
Sheklon said:

Where exactly are you suggesting for this to be done?

From my experience? A thread someone else made about reviewers on this site and/or styles of reviews you don't like.

Which I assume was on Casual Discussion. I can't say much without knowing the content of your post and the context of the thread, but I'm sure you know there are rules in CD regarding the mention of other users and specific reviews. Still, I'm skeptic that a comment that doesn't name a specific user, however specific the complaint, would warrant action from the mods.
Aug 15, 2022 7:11 PM
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Sheklon said:
Manaban said:

From my experience? A thread someone else made about reviewers on this site and/or styles of reviews you don't like.

Which I assume was on Casual Discussion. I can't say much without knowing the content of your post and the context of the thread, but I'm sure you know there are rules in CD regarding the mention of other users and specific reviews. Still, I'm skeptic that a comment that doesn't name a specific user, however specific the complaint, would warrant action from the mods.

No, it was in AD, and I did say that a specific user was named. It's just that there's a difference between using a specific user's review as an example to illustrate your point about the thread's question (i.e. types of reviews you dislike) and personally attacking them. Those two things aren't mutually inclusive, yet for some reason, it was treated like so.

The response I got from the moderation team didn't help matters, considering that the part they told me was inflammatory was the act of citing quotes from the review with screenshots - a review that had been written like, two days prior or something at that, so it was safe to assume this wasn't digging back way into their history to fling mud. What conclusion am I supposed to reach other than criticizing a review gets treated like a personal attack against the reviewer?
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Manaban said:
Sheklon said:

Which I assume was on Casual Discussion. I can't say much without knowing the content of your post and the context of the thread, but I'm sure you know there are rules in CD regarding the mention of other users and specific reviews. Still, I'm skeptic that a comment that doesn't name a specific user, however specific the complaint, would warrant action from the mods.

No, it was in AD, and I did say that a specific user was named. It's just that there's a difference between using a specific user's review as an example to illustrate your point about the thread's question (i.e. types of reviews you dislike) and personally attacking them. Those two things aren't mutually inclusive, yet for some reason, it was treated like so.

The response I got from the moderation team didn't help matters, considering that the part they told me was inflammatory was the act of citing the review that had been written like, two days prior or something like that. What conclusion am I supposed to reach other than criticizing a review gets treated like a personal attack against the reviewer?

I see, although the same rule exists on AD.

Well, I can see your perspective, but, hypothetically speaking, I still doubt anything would have happened if you explained the content of the review with your own words instead of directly quoting it while also citing the user. Because even if you were extremely detailed and specific, there would still not be a definite evidence that you were making any personal attacks but rather talking about the text, consequently about the topic.

I can agree that this comes off as an annoying bureaucracy, but ultimately, the problem is naming someone, because once the person first does it, the thread could quickly devolve into a witch-hunting space or a flame war between two or more users, so I understand why those rules exist.
Aug 15, 2022 7:29 PM

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What I don't like about the current review system is that confusing and funny reactions are counted and accumulated as total vote counts, so even negatively received reviews appear at the top of the list of reviews.
Aug 15, 2022 7:37 PM

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...It changed?

*goes to a review writing page*

One step forward, two steps back. The three level of willingness to recommend are good. Taking away the numbers, though I get the reasoning for doing that, was not a good idea. And the revised review guidelines are terrible - No wonder why people get so hung up on trying to view an anime objectively, because these stupid guidelines encourage that idiotic way of thinking.

Welp, way to destroy any interest I'd have in writing (outside of the forums) on this site.

Aug 15, 2022 7:46 PM
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Sheklon said:
Manaban said:

No, it was in AD, and I did say that a specific user was named. It's just that there's a difference between using a specific user's review as an example to illustrate your point about the thread's question (i.e. types of reviews you dislike) and personally attacking them. Those two things aren't mutually inclusive, yet for some reason, it was treated like so.

The response I got from the moderation team didn't help matters, considering that the part they told me was inflammatory was the act of citing the review that had been written like, two days prior or something like that. What conclusion am I supposed to reach other than criticizing a review gets treated like a personal attack against the reviewer?

I see, although the same rule exists on AD.

Well, I can see your perspective, but, hypothetically speaking, I still doubt anything would have happened if you explained the content of the review with your own words instead of directly quoting it while also citing the user. Because even if you were extremely detailed and specific, there would still not be a definite evidence that you were making any personal attacks but rather talking about the text, consequently about the topic.

I can agree that this comes off as an annoying bureaucracy, but ultimately, the problem is naming someone, because once the person first does it, the thread could quickly devolve into a witch-hunting space or a flame war between two or more users, so I understand why those rules exist.

Prevantive action based on what you yourself are describing as a bureaucratic technicality shouldn't be worth a 30 day ban under any circumstances, skip. Which is kind of what I got for my trouble, complete with it being directly confirmed to be considered harassment and inflammatory towards the user in question.

So go ahead. Take the Manaban challenge. Try it. You say you don't think a ban will happen. I will personally report the post next time it comes up so we know the mods see it and we can see what happens.
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random thing though: sampling bias could have occurred with the vote in that more people who don't really care probably may have not clicked on it in the first place whilst people who don't like the rating system are more likely to click on the forum and vote in the first place
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random thing though: sampling bias could have occurred with the vote in that more people who don't really care probably may have not clicked on it in the first place whilst people who don't like the rating system are more likely to click on the forum and vote in the first place


yes, the majority of the "don't care people" are not here.

but Although I did leave the option, that group is not really important in this discussion.

but I think that's were the sampling biased ends. anyone who feels strongly about the change, either positive or negative is likely to click this and vote. I disagree with people who don't like the new system being more likely to click this.

but again, you are 100% correct about most of mal not giving a shit.
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I didn't vote, because I don't know what you're talking about.
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Prevantive action based on what you yourself are describing as a bureaucratic technicality shouldn't be worth a 30 day ban under any circumstances, skip. Which is kind of what I got for my trouble, complete with it being directly confirmed to be considered harassment and inflammatory towards the user in question.

I agree with this much.

So go ahead. Take the Manaban challenge. Try it. You say you don't think a ban will happen. I will personally report the post next time it comes up so we know the mods see it and we can see what happens.

I mean, I could do it. Even if I do happen to get banned, it's not like being a month away from MAL would be a huge deal in my life. But I'd need some time to find a review that bad, and a place to post my concerns about the quality of it.
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Yes i absolutely love it or so i would say, if i ever read reviews to judge an anime...
I rather watch the anime and make my own assessment instead of being influenced by reviews
 

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Yes i absolutely love it or so i would say, if i ever read reviews to judge an anime...
I rather watch the anime and make my own assessment instead of being influenced by reviews


I mean I personally normally use reviews for shows that I'm either unsure If I should watch or not, or on shows that I have seen, but want a different perspective that isn't my own on them. it's always interesting to understand why others disliked a show that I loved, or why others loved a show that I hated.
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It's worse. I have no idea why they've chosen to hide the scores at the bottom. It makes it more annoying to actually see what they've given it. A 7/10 is just "Good" whilst a 10/10 is a "Masterpiece", yet both will show up as simply "Recommended". Despite those two scores being very different.

The reactions are an improvement over simply saying if a review were helpful. But the visuals of it makes it look like a Facebook post.
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It's worse. I have no idea why they've chosen to hide the scores at the bottom. It makes it more annoying to actually see what they've given it. A 7/10 is just "Good" whilst a 10/10 is a "Masterpiece", yet both will show up as simply "Recommended". Despite those two scores being very different.

The reactions are an improvement over simply saying if a review were helpful. But the visuals of it makes it look like a Facebook post.


yep, exactly, I also really dislike how they removed the score board. (animation, story, sound...)

I feel like the problem they were trying to solve with that one could have been easily fixed by making it optional.
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This update is really terrible. Why isn't someone's overall score at the top of their review anymore? I don't want to have to manually scroll to the end of each review to see.

I wish this site could be like Reddit where you could revert the terrible update on your end through a toggle.

And everything seems a lot more blindingly white now. Why couldn't we have our nice retro site?
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I like it less, but I also disliked the old one and never read reviews anyway. I just find it ridiculous that it is basically impossible and illegal on MAL to ever criticize a review. No option for negative feedback, if you criticize them on the forums you get banned and if you go to the writer's profile it's seen as harassment. So basically MAL is telling us every review is perfect and can and should never be criticized in any capacity, which is just stupid and wrong and harmful for the review section of MAL as a whole because there is no way of rewarding quality, so the things that get rewarded are stuff like being the first one to post a review.


I agree. What I want most is for an option to comment on the reviews. I personally want people to argue with me about whether or not I'm right or wrong, and a lot of times I end up writing a review that's trying to counter another review, which makes me look bad, when all I really wanted to do was comment on the review in the first place. But then if I go on the reviewer's profile to complain it looks like I'm a rabid hater. I think maybe if we actually get to comment on reviews there would be less "X anime is overrated/underrated" threads and generally less people talking like "people say so and so about the anime do you guys agree?" Like there wouldn't be such a need for secondary threads like that which usually aren't helpful anyway because they're not responding to a longer, detailed opinion but instead a general summation of what's perceived to be the consensus around a show.

Anidb and Anime Planet have such an option but idk if it's just me, but I feel like less people frequent the comments of those reviews.

The best discussions I've seen are on TVTropes, because the comment option allows for a lot of accountability to what a reviewer says. Sure, a lot of times it gets real toxic and flame wars happen a lot, but I would take the higher ceiling for actual good points being made over the potential toxicity.
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Recynon said:
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I like it less, but I also disliked the old one and never read reviews anyway. I just find it ridiculous that it is basically impossible and illegal on MAL to ever criticize a review. No option for negative feedback, if you criticize them on the forums you get banned and if you go to the writer's profile it's seen as harassment. So basically MAL is telling us every review is perfect and can and should never be criticized in any capacity, which is just stupid and wrong and harmful for the review section of MAL as a whole because there is no way of rewarding quality, so the things that get rewarded are stuff like being the first one to post a review.


I agree. What I want most is for an option to comment on the reviews. I personally want people to argue with me about whether or not I'm right or wrong, and a lot of times I end up writing a review that's trying to counter another review, which makes me look bad, when all I really wanted to do was comment on the review in the first place. But then if I go on the reviewer's profile to complain it looks like I'm a rabid hater. I think maybe if we actually get to comment on reviews there would be less "X anime is overrated/underrated" threads and generally less people talking like "people say so and so about the anime do you guys agree?" Like there wouldn't be such a need for secondary threads like that which usually aren't helpful anyway because they're not responding to a longer, detailed opinion but instead a general summation of what's perceived to be the consensus around a show.

Anidb and Anime Planet has such an option but idk if it's just me, but I feel like less people frequent the comments of those reviews.


true, all they needed to do was add a dislike, and a comment section.

and they could have made the score bored optional.

this is just taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards
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