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Aug 3, 2022 2:15 AM
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some say only the vocal minority say they hate the change, and I just want to confirm for myself were the majority really stands.


Edit: well it's been some time now and I think the result says it all, most people don't like it, some don't care, and the small minority likes the change. MAL, you can do what you want, none of us can stop you, but this is the raw data. I hope at least you know that most people don't like it.

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Aug 3, 2022 2:17 AM
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I don’t give a shit about reviews or its system
Aug 3, 2022 2:18 AM
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I don't really care (your vote), I rarely read any reviews.
Aug 3, 2022 2:21 AM
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fair enough, data is data

honestly it would be a nice twist if it turned out most people don't give a shit
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Aug 3, 2022 2:23 AM
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I dont really care but what is the point of adding new reactions if you dont add a dislike or not helpful button, not to mention half of the reactions are just stupid. What's the point of havving 4 or 5 different ways of saying is good?

I voted the second option btw
Aug 3, 2022 2:27 AM
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I like it less than the old one (your vote).....
Aug 3, 2022 2:28 AM
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DinoPapiro said:
I dont really care but what is the point of adding new reactions if you dont add a dislike or not helpful button, not to mention half of the reactions are just stupid. What's the point of havving 4 or 5 different ways of saying is good?

I voted the second option btw


that is also one of the things I would change about it.

I think they should have kept the helpful, thing.

and only added the useful reactions that give a feel for the type of review ( stuff like creative, well written, informative and funny).

like why is there a loved it and a nice reaction?
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Aug 3, 2022 2:32 AM
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I never read reviews nor do I care that it changed. Honestly I didn't even know it changed until this thread.
Aug 3, 2022 2:34 AM
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Don't care. But it is better than before, could use more changes for me to care, hope they keep making more updates.


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Aug 3, 2022 2:39 AM

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On very many sites, I've always seen people complain about site changes, and then eventually they adjust and forgot that it has changed. Same thing will probably happen here too.
Aug 3, 2022 2:40 AM

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Apolygon2 said:
some say only the vocal minority say they hate the change, and I just want to confirm for myself were the majority really stands.


Difficult qestion. Some aspects I like, others don't.
Aug 3, 2022 2:47 AM

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Yes.

- recommended/not recommended > score on top, since for example a 6/10 has drastically different meanings depending on the mean score of the reviewer
- emojis offer more variety than just the "helpful" option; even if you want a negative reaction, this is still better than right before the update
- reviews displayed on the anime details page won't be the same old ones anymore (this still needs to be implemented)
- showing the username list of review votes, to make botting easily visible
Aug 3, 2022 2:53 AM

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NekoMeau said:
On very many sites, I've always seen people complain about site changes, and then eventually they adjust and forgot that it has changed. Same thing will probably happen here too.


mal changed the layout, and no one complaint

mal added the bot detector thing, and while some said it doesn't work well, people still liked it

mal added the new banner format, and people said it's a nice addition

this is not the same. people don't adjust with these negative updates because they come around to like it, people adjust because their complaints go unheard and there is nothing they can do.

youtube removed dislikes, and 99% of the viewers and youtubers hated it. they complained as much as they could, but after a month or so, they gave up. some got extensions, and some just cut their losses. no one got around to like it, they just gave up on it.
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Aug 3, 2022 2:54 AM
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I don't hate the new review system, but I don't like it more than the old one. I feel neutral towards it.

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Nirinbo said:
Yes.

- recommended/not recommended > score on top, since for example a 6/10 has drastically different meanings depending on the mean score of the reviewer
- emojis offer more variety than just the "helpful" option; even if you want a negative reaction, this is still better than right before the update
- reviews displayed on the anime details page won't be the same old ones anymore (this still needs to be implemented)
- showing the username list of review votes, to make botting easily visible


counter attack:

- why not have both? I argue that the recommend thing is flawed in a different way. some shows are not for everyone, some are bad but still entertaining, and some are boring but really good. there is a lot to gain from the score board. while I agree that the recommended is a nice addition, it is certainly not a good replacement.

- I agree, but again, why not have both? as it is now, every single review made before the update is now outdated due to the fact that they will be the only ones that have 99 to 1 ration of only having the nice reactions. I think the emoji's should have been added to show what kind of review people think the reviews are.

- this one can work, but they clearly haven't figured out a good algorithm that works properly yet, so I think they should put this one on hold until it's fixed

- this last one is also good, but again, they haven't actually added it yet
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I like the new reactions added to it and the "recommended", "not recommended", and "neutral" tags added to the top but I don't like that there is no dislike button and the scores are not shown at the top anymore. So I'm not really happy with it
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Apolygon2 said:
NekoMeau said:
On very many sites, I've always seen people complain about site changes, and then eventually they adjust and forgot that it has changed. Same thing will probably happen here too.


mal changed the layout, and no one complaint

mal added the bot detector thing, and while some said it doesn't work well, people still liked it

mal added the new banner format, and people said it's a nice addition

this is not the same. people don't adjust with these negative updates because they come around to like it, people adjust because their complaints go unheard and there is nothing they can do.

youtube removed dislikes, and 99% of the viewers and youtubers hated it. they complained as much as they could, but after a month or so, they gave up. some got extensions, and some just cut their losses. no one got around to like it, they just gave up on it.


Quite a few regular forum users also complained about the "watched topic" and "recommended topics from the same board" section under the quick reply button. I think they fixed it now. But the first 3 days after implementing this change, we got no response from any mal staff, so some users made a javascript that blocked that element for us. So it was basically like the dislike extension created by the community lol
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DeonX said:
I like the new reactions added to it and the "recommended", "not recommended", and "neutral" tags added to the top but I don't like that there is no dislike button and the scores are not shown at the top anymore. So I'm not really happy with it



yep, it feels more like a mostly unwanted sidegrade.

instead of an upgrade that makes the system better or more complete.
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DeonX said:
Apolygon2 said:


mal changed the layout, and no one complaint

mal added the bot detector thing, and while some said it doesn't work well, people still liked it

mal added the new banner format, and people said it's a nice addition

this is not the same. people don't adjust with these negative updates because they come around to like it, people adjust because their complaints go unheard and there is nothing they can do.

youtube removed dislikes, and 99% of the viewers and youtubers hated it. they complained as much as they could, but after a month or so, they gave up. some got extensions, and some just cut their losses. no one got around to like it, they just gave up on it.


Quite a few regular forum users also complained about the "watched topic" and "recommended topics from the same board" section under the quick reply button. I think they fixed it now. But the first 3 days after implementing this change, we got no response from any mal staff, so some users made a javascript that blocked that element for us. So it was basically like the dislike extension created by the community lol



there are countless extensions for simple to make yet useful small thigs that people made for mal.

i feel like anyone of those would have been a great update that most people would have loved.

actually one of them that i really liked was one that showed the average of all the review scores, which thanks to this update, is basically useless now.
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Apolygon2 said:
counter attack:

- why not have both? I argue that the recommend thing is flawed in a different way. some shows are not for everyone, some are bad but still entertaining, and some are boring but really good. there is a lot to gain from the score board. while I agree that the recommended is a nice addition, it is certainly not a good replacement.
I agree that both would be better, but if had to choose between the current layout or the previous one... I'll just say that among the reviews I'm already seeing some "8/10 mixed feelings" and "6/10 recommended".
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I never liked the old review system but this is even worse. At least include an angry emoji or something


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It's not bad but it could be far better if they just did what most people wanted.
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I don't read reviews nor do I intend to write one anytime soon, so I could care less at all.
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I never read reviews nor do I care that it changed. Honestly I didn't even know it changed until this thread.
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Aug 3, 2022 5:46 AM

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Yumerei said:
I never liked the old review system but this is even worse. At least include an angry emoji or something


I'm with you there.

When they said they were going to change it, I was actually kind of excited, but this new one takes two steps back for every step that it takes forward.
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It's not bad but it could be far better if they just did what most people wanted.


It certainly has potential, but as it is now, I feel like it took more away compared to what it added.
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I like that now we can spam "funny" for bad reviews.


yeah, I do like the reaction thing. although I think it would have been better, if they added them on top of the helpfulness thing.

because now, most old reviews are extremely outdated due to how many nice emoji's they have compared to the upcoming reviews.
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I don't read reviews nor do I intend to write one anytime soon, so I could care less at all.


fair enough,

the don't care actually turned out to be the second most popular option, I was kinda surprised at first, but now that I think about it, it makes sense. most mal users probably don't read the reviews at all
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DinoPapiro said:
I dont really care but what is the point of adding new reactions if you dont add a dislike or not helpful button


literally this.

also because the 'nice' reaction is the first one and some reactions are hidden under a (show more) panel, those will get disproportionately un/used.

+ they have made the same mistake that steam makes in its reviewing system, you cannot say something is helpful AND funny. that's going to affect reviews algorithmically if it works the same way as steam.
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I like it less, but I also disliked the old one and never read reviews anyway. I just find it ridiculous that it is basically impossible and illegal on MAL to ever criticize a review. No option for negative feedback, if you criticize them on the forums you get banned and if you go to the writer's profile it's seen as harassment. So basically MAL is telling us every review is perfect and can and should never be criticized in any capacity, which is just stupid and wrong and harmful for the review section of MAL as a whole because there is no way of rewarding quality, so the things that get rewarded are stuff like being the first one to post a review.
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Less than the old one - that I already did not care about most of the time. Reviews just are not that useful - compared to other features. I often just wanna find animes that I might like ... using the "recomendations" feature to find similar ones.

The reviews just tell me whether a reviewer liked it or not. Which is only helpful ... if they have a simliar taste than my. Or of they at least try to write about the bad/good things - both in detail. Explaining how they came to their opinion by stating facts that happen in the anime. (Maybe with examples or minor spoilers.)

Just saying "the anime is pretty great cause of it's in depth characters and the good char development" ... does not really help. They could have a different taste and just liked some of the characters. I mean: For Re:Zero fans actually think the main is sooo good and it is authentic/realistic to behave like him in such situation - when I found the main super annoying and I'd expect a good/helpful review to at least describe what they mean with "realistic" . Here they mean that he is screaming a lot of times. (Which some people - like me - then might find annoying. If course I can only know this if this behavour is described in more detail. The main char screaming a lot is a fact - you probably can measure and compared that to other anime. Then people could decide for themselves if they would find this "annoying" or not.)

One might easily fall into a trap - expecting reviews that are well rated to state some "facts" or stuff. When it still is only based on a taste and a person with opposite taste might describe it totally different. (More emphasizing the bad stuff less sugarcoating the good stuff.) And for all of this: Most often a wall of text to read? ... no thanks.
Aug 3, 2022 9:47 AM
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I don't care too much since I don't read some too often, but I feel like it isn't the best change they could've done. The way with the reactions feels more of a meme than an improved feedback system.


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Aug 3, 2022 10:16 AM

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I don't really care about it cause I rarely read any reviews

Aug 3, 2022 10:23 AM
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The new system doesn't really fix the issues with the old system and introduces a couple new issues. The emoji reactions are also pointless.
Aug 3, 2022 10:28 AM

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I dislike it more than like it. Although the "recommend/mixed feeling/not recommend" function is okay, I dislike that they move the score to such a low position. It's really inconvenient for people who just want to view the scores given by reviewers. Plus the reaction button is giving me a cringy feeling with all those emojis.
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I guess I should pick the I don't care vote cause I only care about reviews in some occasions, but I'm gonna go with the second option because it's awful. Adding many reactions with emoji instead of like/dislike button is stupid and why putting the score below the review instead of above? Not to mention whenever I try to re-write something on my review it lags the page many times... it wasn't the case before so what the heck happened?



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It's not horrible, but it could be better.
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Overall, I like it better. But did I miss the episode counter somewhere that shows how many episodes the reviewer actually watched? It was up there in the old version and now I don't see it.
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I don't even read reviews but this toxic positivity coming from companies is annoying.
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It's bad but they have at least made some updates/progress since the initial release.




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DeonX said:
I like the new reactions added to it and the "recommended", "not recommended", and "neutral" tags added to the top but I don't like that there is no dislike button and the scores are not shown at the top anymore. So I'm not really happy with it


Yeah, I agree with this. I found multiple reviews just trashing shows for the sake of... just trashing. They don't even try to hide it. And I am to do what? Click on "funny"? Hell no! If they're going with this, the dislike button is absolutely necessary. Show me number of likes and dislikes and maybe we can have decent review system.
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no one is going to give a damn about it in the long run just like the youtube dislike. It was definitely done to lockdown the massive fandom wars going on in threads since now people have to read or browse the review before seeing the reviewer score, since reviews heavily influenced people giving scores. since people spammed shows they watched with 10s and shows they didn't watch with lower scores, often based on reviewer score
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I don't mind the reactions, but RIP hall of fame. It was one of my fav things here on MAL, and it saddens me that they removed it. It will take me a while to find motivation for a new review.
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The only real change was lowering the shock value of reviews by not posting the number until the end of the review (as it should be). I do not really write reviews so it makes little difference to me.
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I like it less, but I also disliked the old one and never read reviews anyway. I just find it ridiculous that it is basically impossible and illegal on MAL to ever criticize a review. No option for negative feedback, if you criticize them on the forums you get banned and if you go to the writer's profile it's seen as harassment. So basically MAL is telling us every review is perfect and can and should never be criticized in any capacity, which is just stupid and wrong and harmful for the review section of MAL as a whole because there is no way of rewarding quality, so the things that get rewarded are stuff like being the first one to post a review.

This is just a lie, you can criticise freely. Just don't be an "average MAL user" and blow shit out of your asshole.

MAL probably gives fuck all about any comments on reviews (more so reviewers comments section), they probably just pick up site guidelines every time there is trouble.
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I think it could be a step in the right direction, but I honestly prefer the old review system as of now. I really don't see the logic behind not adding a "dislike" or "not helpful" option, they should've added that. Other sites like IMDb, Goodreads, and Amazon have that for reviews, why can't MAL have that? I don't see the emoji reaction thing going anywhere, I feel like it should've been implemented as a "bonus" (or separate) feature to go along with "helpful" and "not helpful", and they could've chosen better reactions as well. This new review system just doesn't seem practical, they really should've gone with a simple like and dislike system instead.
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I don't like it, no. And I wish we could go back to the system we had for reviews way back, where there was both a "helpful" and "not helpful" button, the latter of which got later removed and only "helpful" remained.
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NextUniverse said:

This is just a lie, you can criticise freely. Just don't be an "average MAL user" and blow shit out of your asshole.

Go for it, then, boy-o. Be sure to mention the exact review, reviewer, and cite where they say (x) thing you claim they said instead of just doing it in an ultra-generalized, non-specific way. Otherwise, walk on eggshells and be as civil as you can possibly be. No insults or inflammatory nonsense. Let's see what comes of that.

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whats the difference? owo im new so idk
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kyonkyonkun said:
whats the difference? owo im new so idk

They've hidden scores at the bottom of reviews so they aren't visible on the page, and instead replaced it with a 3 point system (Not Recommended, Mixed Feelings, Recommended), which isn't particularly useful, as both a 7/10 show and 10/10 show might be recommended, but there is an obvious difference that won't be reflected because of this.

They've also removed the option to vote for a review as being helpful, and instead replaced it with facebook emojis. So now, if you want to find which reviews were voted the most helpful, you will instead see reviews that were voted "funny" "creative" or "love it" which isn't particularly useful feedback, and doesn't mean anything.

Previously, when writing a review, you would be able to give seperate scores for things like animation, story, music, etc but they've removed all that.
In explaining why they say: "(1) these scores weren't visible on the main view of the review (unless you knew the trick to make it appear), and (2) we found it gave writers the impression that they were required to break their reviews down into these sections, which we wanted to avoid."
But for 1) you could just make them visible and 2) they could add an explanation saying it wasn't required.

You can read more here https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2034720
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It’s time to ditch the text file.
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