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Apr 11, 2008 1:16 AM

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Whoa, was that woman who shot Petrov, Nina?
Can't wait to see what is inside that tape.

Apr 11, 2008 4:25 AM

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That woman does look awfully like Nina. I can't imagine why she'd want to turn around and assassinate the old man though. The next episode previews doesn't look too promising for Grimmer. I hope we'll get to see what's on those tapes.

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Dec 28, 2008 5:08 AM

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It's their mother....Why would you guys think it's Nina........
Mar 8, 2009 8:39 PM

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I think that woman is Anna and Johan's mother as well...And i can't help but wonder...since what age Johan has been a monster?Since he was born?!
Mar 16, 2009 2:11 AM

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Good call, an impression of Nina is the obvious result in anyone's mind but she at least wouldn't be able to kill the maid.
Aug 12, 2009 2:19 PM

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No way was that Nina. Also, it was interesting to find out more about Kinderheim 511 and I bet it's Johan in that tape...
Aug 14, 2009 4:13 AM
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Looked a lot like Nina. =(
Feb 4, 2010 11:26 AM

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We got some pretty useful information required to decipher the entire story. The parts that Johan was a monster before Kinderheim 511 were already known for quite some time. But what we did not know is that Kinderheim 511 was a good place. Children there were taught to love. It was a like a real orphanage.
But few things are unclear. The killer is the first one of course. There are only 2 possibilities. Either it is a person we have not seen in this anime before, or it was Johan's and Anna's mother. I am sure it was not Nina, since she could not even kill Johan with clean conscience. The fact that she killed the maid completely nullifies the option of Anna. Now why would it be their mother? The most obvious reason is that we know she is in Prague and that she has a motive. Revenge for making their son into monster. We could assume that she did not see Johan as a monster before he left her. Because if she would have seen Johan as a monster before that, she would not put the blame on Mr. Petrov and Kinderheim 511.
This leads us to a very interesting conclusion. Either Johan became a monster in a particular time span between leaving his mother and coming to Kinderheim 511, or he was hiding it from his mother. If it is the later, we could assume that Johan actually loved someone or he had a particular reason to hide it from his mother which we do not know about. If he became a monster during that time lapse, it would be very interesting to know what made him that way. Because what could actually eliminate all human emotions since we assume he was normal before. One thing would be that since Johan is extremely smart, logical reasoning that emotions are useless could erase them. I am not talking about few sentences, but a complete brainwash using Johan's intelligence as a main anchor.
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May 29, 2010 2:30 PM

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Even if it could be Mamiko Noto, she probably had the best of reasons to do what she did.
Nov 13, 2010 6:26 PM

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too bad the old man died, grimmer took long enough for him to relize

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Feb 7, 2011 2:07 PM
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its either nina or the mother

why? Blond, woman = nina or mother
Beautiful, johan is beautiful, nina is twin so she also is beautiful but mayb ethey got it from the mother

but most likely mother.
May 18, 2011 12:02 AM

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Feb 15, 2012 11:43 AM

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Until episode 38 for some time I was thinking that perhaps Nina and Johan are the same person. They were never shown together really and Johan would be the monster inside her. That's why Johan and Runge keep repeating that Johan is a person who doesn't exist. When the twins disappeared from the hospital, it was the boy who was actually always innocent. Why would Nina/Anna have followed him to disappear at that time if she was the good child? But then they were in the burning library together so that disproved my theory. Except if we saw that scene through Nina's perspective, Johan "leaving" just when s/he was about to be shot by Tenma? So seeing the long blonde hair in this episode made me again wonder if Nina's the killer after all. Obviously something is being withheld from the viewers. It could be the mother too.

It's good that the series has picked up a bit again. I do still think the pacing is really off with this, with many unnecessary side plots and main characters being forgotten for several episodes for the sake of a small revelation. Also, the story relies too much on characters not having common sense. Maybe they will wrap it all up by making all the little stories meet but I don't think that would make up for the slow progress up until now.
Feb 15, 2012 4:49 PM

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i was wrong about petrov being a pervert
Mar 4, 2012 9:34 PM

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So the old man died.
Jun 6, 2012 6:17 AM
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Hope that wasn't Nina! probably the mother then-
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Aug 5, 2012 9:10 AM

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Nina.. killed them? Waah..? :O No idea. At all.

But I feel bad for that Pedrov now :( He was actually trying to love those children, even if he made love an "experiment".
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Sep 24, 2012 8:59 AM

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0.o Has Nina turned evil? Not sure why Nina would be concerned with him though, she doesn't know anything about 511 Kinderheim, or at least shouldn't know anything about it.
Nov 15, 2012 10:55 AM

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Nina wouldn't kill him. Unlike a certain someone who happens to have the same face.
Dec 18, 2012 9:37 AM

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Interesting Episode.

About Episode:

So Grimmer tried to get director to speak about human experiments that were made in Kinderheim 511. So this experiment was success.

The hotel scene with Grimmer running was funny he just waved from those mans haha.

So Director was responsible for Kinderheim 511 And he was also one who interviewed Johan and after that Johan took control of Kinderheim 511. And made darkness in those experiments. And director wanted to create humans that doesn't have darkness inside of them.

It also looks like Kinderheim 511 was destroyed 1951.

Now that is troublesome who was that woman who looked like Nina. Because Nina haven't been told anything about Kinderheim 511 and she don't know what they did Johan there. Or maybe she was spying and heard Grimmer's and directors conversation that would explain some of it. But I believe that isn't Nina.

Jan 29, 2013 5:22 AM

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Was that Nina who shot him? What would be her motive? She wasn't even raised in 511. Anyway, great episode.

Feb 26, 2013 6:22 PM

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I wonder if Johan would ever wear a wig.
Mar 4, 2013 7:17 AM

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unclesnapple said:

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Apr 27, 2013 3:33 PM

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Its Johan with a wig on. There is no way Nina would kill them.
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May 30, 2013 12:46 PM

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Always-Hungry said:
Its Johan with a wig on. There is no way Nina would kill them.

I was thinking the same thing
Aug 20, 2013 11:47 AM
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As I thought Petrov is not a bad guy and I'm 70% sure that It's their mother who killed Petrov and the maid and that their mother is the real Monster maybe.
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Oct 19, 2013 1:55 AM

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finally we're getting some good info :D

first, Grimmer is smart to fool the people following him.

though i don't get it why they wanted to eliminate Grimmer just because he knows about Petro.

if he's experiment is all about love, then why is he eliminating someone through force?

so the the orphanage is actually a kind one. the experiment probably wants a 100% pure love with no violence.

though i don't know how rumors spread that it was an asyllum for bad children.

since i remember one of the early episodes when Tenma talked to the lady who's running a good orphanage that Dieter was supposed to be left said that Kinderheim 511 was really a hell prison.

so Johan could be a born Monster? or was he influenced by his mother?

and the killer is definitely Johan and Anna's mother for sure.

first, i noticed she has much longer hair, plus why would she kill the maid? she Anna s only after Johan and nothing more.

anyways nice twist here! i do wonder if Wolf, one of the directors did in fact made Johan a monster or something.

can't wait for more episodes!!!
Dec 24, 2013 11:28 PM
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It was the mother, but it would be a lie if I said my initial thought wasn't Nina.
Jan 8, 2014 5:15 AM

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I cried
Jan 23, 2014 5:00 PM
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jaykaylol said:
Looked a lot like Nina. =(
Its her mom possibly?
Jan 23, 2014 5:01 PM
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totally there mother who killed him
May 23, 2014 1:06 PM

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It's probably Nina's biological mother. Totally out of character for Nina to kill two people especially the innocent maid.
May 23, 2014 1:16 PM

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johan and nina are so hawt!
Jun 4, 2014 8:34 PM

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the children no longer have a guardian :-(

that looked just like nina, although it is out of character for her to kill. maybe this is character development? the mother seems more likely
Nov 3, 2014 8:17 AM

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Now that I've come here, it's true that it isn't like Nina to shot them. Ok, I may have understood if it were only the director, but that lady also got killed.
Dec 19, 2014 5:19 PM

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I too think the lady was Johan and Nina's mother, because they looked a lot like Nina and it wouldn't makes sense for it to be Nina.

That Kinderheim was a good place is quite a shock. I'm already liking Grimmer's contribution to the story.

It's too bad the old man died. I can't help but wonder what sort of man he really was
Feb 3, 2015 2:00 AM

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So from what I can see, what Petrov did was justified and if that were Nina, she would have no motive to kill Petrov and his assistant. But the real question is, was that really Nina? Or perhaps Johan or even their mother?

The plot thickens...

So we've learned that Grimmer is most definitely not always happy like it seemed at first. At least we know he isn't completely bonkers.

This episode was awesome. Hope we get more of these episodes that follow Grimmer.

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Feb 15, 2015 4:17 PM

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Who is she ? Siblings mother ? I think she is. There is no reason to be Anna.
Mar 31, 2015 8:29 AM

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Interesting ep. Looks like Grimmer isn't all that bland nice, he got some other traits with him too.

Who da hell killed Petrov tho. Looks like Nina but why ?
Apr 11, 2015 11:38 AM

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Pocketasces said:
i was wrong about petrov being a pervert


You sir made gave me one good laugh.


5/5 this is getting good.
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Apr 14, 2015 12:30 PM

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No way Nina killed him. That's either Johan with a wig(Considering their Twins) or that's their mother.
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Jul 31, 2015 10:31 PM

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Aug 31, 2015 10:00 PM

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Still loving Grimmer. But I didn’t expect the old man to die so soon!

Wondering if the killer was Anna. It really isn’t like her to kill people like that.
Sep 2, 2015 11:49 AM

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Grimmer sure knows how to question someone, I'm impressed.

There's no way Anna would kill Petrov and his assistant so dispassionately. As others have theorized, it was probably her biological mother. I've noticed that her hair color is kinda hazel, while her daughter's leaning towards fawn.
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Sep 16, 2015 3:39 AM

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Really liking Grimmer. My eyes were wide open in shock when he realized that the children were different. "Education is an Experiment", brilliant.

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Sep 25, 2015 12:37 AM
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12:15am, I am so sleepy now that when those guys kicked down that door it gave me quite a jump scare lol
Jan 18, 2016 3:39 AM

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I never thought of education to be a experiment. That may be somewhat true.
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Jun 1, 2016 2:30 PM

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I don't know what to think about Petrov, did he change his ways now or was he telling the truth when he said that he didn't do anything wrong at 511 Kinderheim.
Jun 4, 2016 8:55 PM

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wonder who that woman was. had exactly same haircut as Nina, but it can't be her

i wonder what really happened at that orphanage and why Johan wants destruction. if we get to see that videotape that shows the interview a lot more will be clear
Jul 15, 2016 12:02 PM

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Is that Anna, please tell me no!
Great Episode.
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