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Jul 2, 2022 6:06 PM

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Loved the Episode...

In real life we always need someone else who makes us OPEN OUR EYES.

Really good vibes in the new OP song...

PS: Defender is the Best position. Make a Goal is something special, but DENY it to someone... sometimes its even more.
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Jul 2, 2022 7:47 PM

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Musika said:
I always thought Aoi had a playmaker fit, like a Center Mid or Attacking Mid.

Notice the words of Fukuda: "You will never again play as a forward". He did not say "You will forever play as a defender". So my guess is that Fukuda wants Aoi to play defender, full-back nonetheless, so he can understand the defender's position and mind. He already grasped the Forward mindset, so all that's left is the defendant one. He will then be moved to a mid-position where he will be "the reincarnation of Ronaldinho, even though he is still alive", having a complete view and control of the whole court.

Hungry Heart did something similar, so it's not too far-fetched.


The whole reasoning makes no sense at all. From a footballers perspective, there are so many things wrong with the whole shift. There is only one reason I can think of why the coach would say the things he did, I will elaborate at the end.
1. Defenders need to be physical, and while Aoi has stamina he is nowhere near physical enough.
2. Defenders need explosive power as well, so that point is kind of moot. One could say defenders need it even more, depending on play style.
3. While defenders need a lot of vision to anticipate the opponents movement, there is no need for them to have vision as expansive as Aoi.
4. Defenders are only good if they enjoy defending. If you don't enjoy defending, there is no way to be a good defender.

Now to what I think the intention is.
I think why the coach switched Aoi is to prepare him further. He saw that Aoi is able to see his teammates and plays he could make, but he also lacks the precision and speed needed for an attacker. So now he wants him to learn to also look at the enemy positions more and train a defensive kind of skills, so that in the end he can put him as a defensive midfielder, the position Aoi is obviously made for.
As a defensive midfielder you are in control of the game, you have to make the plays happen, you need a lot of stamina, but not be as explosive as either front or back, but you also need to know how to defend, otherwise you are a liability.
I think making him a defender is just an acceleration of the growth to get him where the coach really needs him, I still think the choice how he did it is rather radical and may be ill advised in most cases.
Jul 2, 2022 7:51 PM

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Musika said:
I always thought Aoi had a playmaker fit, like a Center Mid or Attacking Mid.

Notice the words of Fukuda: "You will never again play as a forward". He did not say "You will forever play as a defender". So my guess is that Fukuda wants Aoi to play defender, full-back nonetheless, so he can understand the defender's position and mind. He already grasped the Forward mindset, so all that's left is the defendant one. He will then be moved to a mid-position where he will be "the reincarnation of Ronaldinho, even though he is still alive", having a complete view and control of the whole court.

Hungry Heart did something similar, so it's not too far-fetched.

Ronaldinho is a very bad example, he was super technical and creative, absolutely not the player Aoi is. Aoi is more of a defensive midfielder that can control the game, maybe someone like Schweinsteiger or Xavi (also dubbed Chameleon eyes for his 360° vision). (He is certainly not Pirlo with that pass accuracy. xD)
Jul 2, 2022 8:01 PM

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zwolf12 said:
Musika said:
I always thought Aoi had a playmaker fit, like a Center Mid or Attacking Mid.


The whole reasoning makes no sense at all. From a footballers perspective, there are so many things wrong with the whole shift.


For those who are baffled and thought how "illogical" Ashito's move as a defender (in his case, a full-back), this is how modern football has evolved. Klopp (Liverpool) and Guardiola (Man City) have turned full-backs into playmakers.

Liverpool’s Trent Alexander-Arnold and Andrew Robertson show how the full-back has become the new chief playmaker, occupying traditional winger positions or even outside No.10 positions. Meanwhile, Pep Guardiola in Man City's 2017-18 season, Kyle Walker and Fabian Delph frequently became auxiliary central midfielders, swinging on a pendulum between central midfield, full-back, and winger. Between Liverpool and City, ‘full-back’ has been shown to be a rather loose term for a set of positions that can cover a huge portion of the pitch.

The modern full-back is an all-rounder, and usually the most versatile player on the pitch.
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nocivo said:

I'm only a anime viewer so I really don't know but to me he is the perfect regista, deep Lying playmaker or roaming playmaker. Someone that has good position and starts defensive plays really fast...

I would put him playing wing back for now but I understand why they want him to be more as a fullback. That way you focus more on the defense and you learn more about it. A wing back focus to much on the offensive side and not the right call to learn how to defend and position itself.


Well said, I think for now playing him as a full-back is better so Ashito can learn how defenders do their job, especially full-backs when one side pushes up, the other fullback will slot on as another defender in the backline. In his case, when Asari's pushes up Ashito needs to learn when he should slot back in defense or when he needs to be dictating the game as their playmaker.
Jul 2, 2022 9:19 PM

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zwolf12 said:
Musika said:
I always thought Aoi had a playmaker fit, like a Center Mid or Attacking Mid.

Notice the words of Fukuda: "You will never again play as a forward". He did not say "You will forever play as a defender". So my guess is that Fukuda wants Aoi to play defender, full-back nonetheless, so he can understand the defender's position and mind. He already grasped the Forward mindset, so all that's left is the defendant one. He will then be moved to a mid-position where he will be "the reincarnation of Ronaldinho, even though he is still alive", having a complete view and control of the whole court.

Hungry Heart did something similar, so it's not too far-fetched.


The whole reasoning makes no sense at all. From a footballers perspective, there are so many things wrong with the whole shift. There is only one reason I can think of why the coach would say the things he did, I will elaborate at the end.
1. Defenders need to be physical, and while Aoi has stamina he is nowhere near physical enough.
2. Defenders need explosive power as well, so that point is kind of moot. One could say defenders need it even more, depending on play style.
3. While defenders need a lot of vision to anticipate the opponents movement, there is no need for them to have vision as expansive as Aoi.
4. Defenders are only good if they enjoy defending. If you don't enjoy defending, there is no way to be a good defender.

Now to what I think the intention is.
I think why the coach switched Aoi is to prepare him further. He saw that Aoi is able to see his teammates and plays he could make, but he also lacks the precision and speed needed for an attacker. So now he wants him to learn to also look at the enemy positions more and train a defensive kind of skills, so that in the end he can put him as a defensive midfielder, the position Aoi is obviously made for.
As a defensive midfielder you are in control of the game, you have to make the plays happen, you need a lot of stamina, but not be as explosive as either front or back, but you also need to know how to defend, otherwise you are a liability.
I think making him a defender is just an acceleration of the growth to get him where the coach really needs him, I still think the choice how he did it is rather radical and may be ill advised in most cases.

One thing I can say is you have to change your perception on the role of fullback in modern football. A fullback is not just supporting player who make overlapping runs and spam crosses from the wings anymore, but they can also dictate the game (being playmaker) from their own position. This is not a fiction, this is also what happen in real life football with the top team in europe, and even JLeague too (that league is more advanced than what you think). The anime will explain more about it for the next couple episodes, but don't expect to get a full complete explanation. We need 2nd or maybe 3rd season for that.
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Jul 2, 2022 10:27 PM

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Musika said:
I always thought Aoi had a playmaker fit, like a Center Mid or Attacking Mid.

Notice the words of Fukuda: "You will never again play as a forward". He did not say "You will forever play as a defender". So my guess is that Fukuda wants Aoi to play defender, full-back nonetheless, so he can understand the defender's position and mind. He already grasped the Forward mindset, so all that's left is the defendant one. He will then be moved to a mid-position where he will be "the reincarnation of Ronaldinho, even though he is still alive", having a complete view and control of the whole court.

Hungry Heart did something similar, so it's not too far-fetched.

The manga made it more clear:
KyouKaiTenJul 2, 2022 10:32 PM
“You should enjoy the little detours to the fullest. Because that's where you'll find the things more important than what you want.”
Jul 2, 2022 10:54 PM
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This new OP animation is what I wanna see more of in this anime! I really hope Production I.G puts more time and resources into the second season! I love this anime but the sakuga leaves a lot to be desired. Aoashi has the potential to be a cultural phenomenon. Football is the world’s most followed sport and good media that focuses on it is sparse. With the right marketing along with the growth that the anime market is seeing, it’s worth the investment.
Jul 2, 2022 11:00 PM
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An incredible new op and ending also cant believe ashito Is turning into a defense now lets see how these news affect him on next episodes tho i think he just would see that he can play a better football in that position so he just would end up liking it
Jul 2, 2022 11:17 PM
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Enjoy that bitter feeling guys. Keep watching and see how much Aoi will grow! Don't discuss to deep about the position cause it will end up as spoiler. Read the manga to see if your theory is right 😏
Jul 2, 2022 11:47 PM
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Gamermacska said:
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Seems like his skills suit a playmaking centre-mid over a fullback, guy knows diddlysquat about defending.

Interesting and realistic plot point though. Looking forward to the rest of the season.

I can see the idea, the best teams of all time all had at least one very attacking minded fullback (marcelo at real, dani alves at barca. cafu at milan as a few examples)


all i understood from your comment is that Brazil is the BEST team in history of football and they'll take the cup again this year
Jul 3, 2022 12:12 AM

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Goddamn, the new OP is beautiful, ED is pretty good too.

I don't know much about soccer, but given Ashito's abilities, I definitely agree with Fukuda in that Ashito fits more in a non-front line position. It do be cruel and painful though. Really looking forward to see how Ashito deals with this.
Jul 3, 2022 12:57 AM
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been waiting for this to be animated since i read the manga, just wanted to see how then emotions would be portrayed by person that plays aoi
Jul 3, 2022 2:07 AM
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Love how we got a proper football discussion in anime forum like this, can't wait for more content
Jul 3, 2022 2:44 AM
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i honestly dont get why fukuda wants to make him a full back, imo he seems way more suited for midfielder role
Jul 3, 2022 2:54 AM
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KyouKaiTen said:
I don't know if this is a spoiler or not, but if you are a fan of Man City (Pep) or Arsenal you should realize this.


Especially a team with the best set of inverted wingbacks, for instance like Liverpool with TAA and robbo
Jul 3, 2022 3:06 AM

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KyloAL said:
KyouKaiTen said:
I don't know if this is a spoiler or not, but if you are a fan of Man City (Pep) or Arsenal you should realize this.


Especially a team with the best set of inverted wingbacks, for instance like Liverpool with TAA and robbo

Robbo is not inverted, he is your traditional fullback, while TAA, depending on the opponent he can play as inverted or overlapping fullback, both on a high level. When he played as inverted, usually the midfielder (Elliot/Henderson) is the one who provide width, and TAA move to the middle occupying space that is left by the midfielder..
Also wingback is different than fullback..
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Jul 3, 2022 5:49 AM
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Gamermacska said:
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Seems like his skills suit a playmaking centre-mid over a fullback, guy knows diddlysquat about defending.

Interesting and realistic plot point though. Looking forward to the rest of the season.

I can see the idea, the best teams of all time all had at least one very attacking minded fullback (marcelo at real, dani alves at barca. cafu at milan as a few examples)


Very true, attacking fullbacks is definitely the meta in many leagues. Man City and Liverpool are good examples.
Jul 3, 2022 6:45 AM

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Musika said:
I always thought Aoi had a playmaker fit, like a Center Mid or Attacking Mid.

Notice the words of Fukuda: "You will never again play as a forward". He did not say "You will forever play as a defender". So my guess is that Fukuda wants Aoi to play defender, full-back nonetheless, so he can understand the defender's position and mind. He already grasped the Forward mindset, so all that's left is the defendant one. He will then be moved to a mid-position where he will be "the reincarnation of Ronaldinho, even though he is still alive", having a complete view and control of the whole court.

Hungry Heart did something similar, so it's not too far-fetched.


I suppose that could be it, either way, he'll for sure do better as a midfielder or a defender, but it will be so harsh for him to transition into defending and understand that a defender is as important as a forward player
Jul 3, 2022 7:58 AM
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KyouKaiTen said:
KyloAL said:


Especially a team with the best set of inverted wingbacks, for instance like Liverpool with TAA and robbo

Robbo is not inverted, he is your traditional fullback, while TAA, depending on the opponent he can play as inverted or overlapping fullback, both on a high level. When he played as inverted, usually the midfielder (Elliot/Henderson) is the one who provide width, and TAA move to the middle occupying space that is left by the midfielder..
Also wingback is different than fullback..

Ohh, thanks for the correction lol, a friend of mine mentions robbo being an inverted alot (even though he plays fm)
Jul 3, 2022 12:22 PM
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Love the new opening & damnn as a anime only watcher for Ao Ashi… I can see some development upcoming & it’s gonna be 🔥
Jul 3, 2022 4:03 PM

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Hey Nozomi, why the long nose? I mean face, lol.

Lmao I died when I saw this in the episode. That might be one of the most obviously off model shots I've ever seen in anime
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Wow. I wasn't expecting Ashito to be switched to defender. His reaction was quite tragic to watch.
Jul 3, 2022 8:05 PM

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I don’t even want to think about what percentage of the budget went toward the new OP. It has no reason looking that good when the rest of the show has average animation at best.

The switch of Aoi from forward to defender was a surprise. I’m not sure it will last, but I’m interested to see how it goes. Aoi was really over the line in how he reacted to the news. Yelling at his coach and grabbing his collar. If the genius head coach says you will be a national level player by switching positions then you’ll enjoy playing more in the long-run.
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KyloAL said:
KyouKaiTen said:

Robbo is not inverted, he is your traditional fullback, while TAA, depending on the opponent he can play as inverted or overlapping fullback, both on a high level. When he played as inverted, usually the midfielder (Elliot/Henderson) is the one who provide width, and TAA move to the middle occupying space that is left by the midfielder..
Also wingback is different than fullback..

Ohh, thanks for the correction lol, a friend of mine mentions robbo being an inverted alot (even though he plays fm)

Ohh that must be an fm thing, he is considered as inverted wingback there, wingback just means a more attacking fullback, but I personally associate wingback only in 343 formation tho...
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Blue_Maroon said:
I don’t even want to think about what percentage of the budget went toward the new OP. It has no reason looking that good when the rest of the show has average animation at best.

The switch of Aoi from forward to defender was a surprise. I’m not sure it will last, but I’m interested to see how it goes. Aoi was really over the line in how he reacted to the news. Yelling at his coach and grabbing his collar. If the genius head coach says you will be a national level player by switching positions then you’ll enjoy playing more in the long-run.
scene kaido (22) dribing the ball better than cour 1. It prove quality upgrade from now bro
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I think early 60s. 61? 62?
wait 13eps covered 60 chapters


Chapters Are Very Short In This Manga
Jul 4, 2022 2:05 AM
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Lelouch0202 said:
Interesting episode, didn't expect those turn of events.

I figured his talents would be better suited as a midfielder than a defender, his vision and ability to find goal scoring plays seem suited for someone who can control the field but I guess a full back could work too. It's just that I have never seen Ashito defend against someone. I always thought he'd convert to midfield given the things he was learning.

OP visuals were fantastic and the ED was so adorable. Hana best girl. <3

He will be midfielder for sure. He must play in middle because he has best eye in team.
Jul 4, 2022 2:40 AM

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watching this episode atm and just passed through the new opening song, SUCH GOOD VISUALS AND SMOOTH ANIMATION WOW?! waaaaay better than the first one, clearly wasn't expecting that
Jul 4, 2022 4:26 AM

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Another absolutely awesome episode!
but its very hard to see the devastated Ashito...oh my...
as for the Manager sometimes being harsh is part of the job! i don't have quarrels with it! since Manager old man KNOWS what's he's doing.
5/5!
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Crimson_Pride said:
Gamermacska said:

I can see the idea, the best teams of all time all had at least one very attacking minded fullback (marcelo at real, dani alves at barca. cafu at milan as a few examples)


all i understood from your comment is that Brazil is the BEST team in history of football and they'll take the cup again this year


haha, they are my favourties outside of my actual country.
Jul 4, 2022 10:11 AM

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Djux11 said:
He must play in middle because he has best eye in team.

Its funny. They will talk about this "biased" way of thinking later.
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Jul 4, 2022 11:48 AM

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now i see why Togashi picked to be his roommate.
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The ost in cour 1 was wayyyyy better. Also Fukuda can suck my balls.
Jul 4, 2022 12:13 PM

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Since the beginning, i said he would be a better center midfielder than forwarder, but a full back suits him good too since a team needs a solid man guiding the defence, would like to see him playing a Joao Cancelo style.
Jul 4, 2022 3:08 PM

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If you are telling me that this Anime is actually about a defender/defensive midfielder and not just another forward I am sold higher than the highest mountain.

That would actually be unique.
Jul 4, 2022 4:10 PM
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https://images.app.goo.gl/GuBU3cDjqpnGwoN79

The link above shows the summary of what coach Fukuda wants Ashito to become
Jul 4, 2022 4:20 PM

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An excellent episode. This is now the beginning of his development as a player and character! Not solely focused on scoring and shifting more into playmaking and contribution fits him very well. This will hopefully destroy his ego and build something that's better for him.

Also, OP sequence is so good and the animation sequence is godly in this episode! Hopefully, they can keep this up!




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lehuy0210 said:
Blue_Maroon said:
I don’t even want to think about what percentage of the budget went toward the new OP. It has no reason looking that good when the rest of the show has average animation at best.

The switch of Aoi from forward to defender was a surprise. I’m not sure it will last, but I’m interested to see how it goes. Aoi was really over the line in how he reacted to the news. Yelling at his coach and grabbing his collar. If the genius head coach says you will be a national level player by switching positions then you’ll enjoy playing more in the long-run.
scene kaido (22) dribing the ball better than cour 1. It prove quality upgrade from now bro

I did see an improvement during the games, but the talking scenes are still pretty static and characters are off-model a surprising amount.
Jul 4, 2022 11:18 PM
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production ig uped the budget for cour 2, the visuals for op are so beautiful. oh my fukuda's plan for aoi was total 180 from what aoi had thought, i get why aoi is so distraught he loves scoring and he's played a forward all his life n as a full back he can't do that directly;it's going to be a difficult road ahead for aoi to change his play completely
Jul 5, 2022 2:49 AM

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just from the op we kneww thisll be different. a Lot more different but what was thattt omg 😭

we starting off with THIS for the first ep of rhe 2nd cour?#;$+$ WAY TOO MUCH i felt aoi's devastation. i mean like ? wtf? everything fukuda said was right and understandable but what the Fuck.

i rly like the hana focus for the ed !!!! im guessing the one she's smiling to at the end was fukuda? or no one lmao its really not that important

speaaaking of hana.. there better not he some bullshit love triangle over her ashito and sponsor girl i love all three of them sm i do nott want to see them fight over something like that. in a mf sports anime come on now
Jul 5, 2022 10:39 AM
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Episode was quite good. The show has a nice balance of action and character reflection and development.

Was I really the only one bothered by the bad animation quality of the last scene of Fukuda and Aoi? I know the new opening looked real crisp and the animation of the match was good, but it seems like there was no time/money left for that last scene which really is a shame since it, for me at least, took some of the emotion away.

Flashy animation is not needed for quiet scenes, but consistency and clean animation of expressions and posture can make a lot of a difference!
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Me recuerda al jugador de ataque del Puebla, Gustavo Ferrareis, quien fue colocado en la lateral por el técnico Nicolás Larcamón por sus condiciones y lo que podía generar en el campo de juego, dando muy buenos partidos en esa posición. La gran importancia de ser un entrenador con buen ojo.
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These overly dramatic cliffhangers sure are getting old quite fast, huh? Sure, Fukuda. Sure. Ashito doesn't have the physical state nor the mentality (or even the aspiration) of a defender and you only want to put him there because of his "eagle eye" vision? Laughable. If anything, he's more suitable for the middle-field given the concepts he has learned so far. Like imagine the poor kid trying to master the offside rule, for example.

Now on a different note and based on the OP, it seems we will be getting even more of shithead Akutsu abusing Ashito for no apparent reason. Really not looking forward to that.
Jul 9, 2022 2:03 AM

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So much for pride as a forward, now play full back for your your whole life. Really though it seems like everyone is after Aoi, harassing him lol. And I agree with opening already giving those sinister feels.
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If anything, he's more suitable for the middle-field given the concepts he has learned so far.

This is where most people got it wrong. They will talk about it later.
Also this is the first time I see someone using the word "middle-field". Just use midfield/mdfielder.
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OP visuals so angst, love it


MY BB SO QT

omg i replayed when ashito scored the goal & they were so happy even the other coach cheering lmfao so cute AND JUMPING INTO TAIRA SENPAI ARMS UWU TAIRA SENPAIIIIIIIII

i feel so bad for ashito :( i feel betrayed for him, and hes worked so hard with so much against him, seems like things will only just keep getting harder for him, i'm rooting for him & cant wait to see his development & how hes going to handle this news, which is probably going to change the soccer he plays as he knows it

what im not rooting for is all those off-model drawings lol help







but i’ll probably remember over and over again
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KyouKaiTen said:
SouthRzVa said:
If anything, he's more suitable for the middle-field given the concepts he has learned so far.

This is where most people got it wrong. They will talk about it later.
Also this is the first time I see someone using the word "middle-field". Just use midfield/mdfielder.

Spanish speaker here. I just used the translation closer to "medio campo/mediocampista".
Noted.
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Nunca me surpreendi com uma reviravolta tão grande quanto esse anime e fico feliz de ter começado a assistir. Cada episódio que é lançado, tem uma surpresa e uma mensagem diferente. Lindo
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Love this episode!
Aoi turned himself into Yago Pikachu, but instead of LB going to Pw he did the opposite.

Love the red hair defender, Takeshima. Seems a cool guy.
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