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Jun 20, 2022 11:46 PM
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ohohohohohoho said:
why does everybody seem to be so fixated on striving to enjoy every moment of their lives? can't i just relax and not enjoy myself in my free time?

That is some very cringe mentality ngl, if you actually meant that unironically. Do what you want, I guess.
Jun 21, 2022 12:34 AM

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Why everytime i log in to MAL, i had to see thread like this.

Doesn't matter You dropped them or not, just Watch more anime your score will go down. If not you're either afraid putting your average below 5 or something wrong with you. There are more Anime out there worth 1 than Ex-arm, skelter heaven, Yakusoku no neverland 2nd, boku no pico.

Also, what's the point of this thread? What would you get?
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DrBalls said:
ohohohohohoho said:
why does everybody seem to be so fixated on striving to enjoy every moment of their lives? can't i just relax and not enjoy myself in my free time?

That is some very cringe mentality ngl, if you actually meant that unironically. Do what you want, I guess.


how are you supposed to enjoy yourself if you think like it's your job to do it, and something must be wrong with you if you aren't doing it? one of the competitors for most commonly repeated thread here with "why do you watch anime if you hate it?" is probably something like "why don't i enjoy anime anymore? why don't i enjoy bakemonogatari (substitute for any anime)? what do you do if you're burnt out on anime?" you think it's a joke? people legitimately worry that they are becoming defective because they don't enjoy anime on the whole or a specific anime.

it's not just anime fans, either. people worry that they don't enjoy socializing enough. people worry that they aren't fulfilled by their jobs or their love lives enough. it's actually quite normal to not enjoy yourself all of the time. we are seeking something that's not attainable by thinking otherwise. not only is ok to not enjoy yourself 100% of the time, i'm not sure where we got this idea like enjoyment is the ultimate irrefutable objective of life. and once a month a mfer comes along insisting other people must not be enjoying themselves because of how they rate things or because they come into MAL ranting about how new anime is shitty or anime is misogynistic or whatever, and thinking like they have to explain or prove that, really, they really are enjoying themselves! enjoying yourself shouldn't require so much effort, surely.

fwiw i could've copied and pasted one of my replies from one of the other versions of this thread from MAL's illustrious history, but i felt like this would be more enjoyable this time.
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ohohohohohoho said:
DrBalls said:

That is some very cringe mentality ngl, if you actually meant that unironically. Do what you want, I guess.


how are you supposed to enjoy yourself if you think like it's your job to do it, and something must be wrong with you if you aren't doing it? one of the competitors for most commonly repeated thread here with "why do you watch anime if you hate it?" is probably something like "why don't i enjoy anime anymore? why don't i enjoy bakemonogatari (substitute for any anime)? what do you do if you're burnt out on anime?" you think it's a joke? people legitimately worry that they are becoming defective because they don't enjoy anime on the whole or a specific anime.

it's not just anime fans, either. people worry that they don't enjoy socializing enough. people worry that they aren't fulfilled by their jobs or their love lives enough. it's actually quite normal to not enjoy yourself all of the time. we are seeking something that's not attainable by thinking otherwise. not only is ok to not enjoy yourself 100% of the time, i'm not sure where we got this idea like enjoyment is the ultimate irrefutable objective of life. and once a month a mfer comes along insisting other people must not be enjoying themselves because of how they rate things or because they come into MAL ranting about how new anime is shitty or anime is misogynistic or whatever, and thinking like they have to explain or prove that, really, they really are enjoying themselves! enjoying yourself shouldn't require so much effort, surely.

fwiw i could've copied and pasted one of my replies from one of the other versions of this thread from MAL's illustrious history, but i felt like this would be more enjoyable this time.

Your view of life is yours entirely. If others are enjoying themselves ranting about stupid crap, why do you care? For me it isn't ok not to enjoy everything I do, because that's just how I view life. If I don't enjoy sth then I usually don't do it. I'd much rather drop that thing rn and do sth I know for a fact I'd enjoy than drown in depression and anxiety. It is pretty simple to drop things you don't find enjoyable, the only thing stopping you from doing it is yourself.
Jun 21, 2022 12:43 AM
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shiroha said:
Why everytime i log in to MAL, i had to see thread like this.

Doesn't matter You dropped them or not, just Watch more anime your score will go down. If not you're either afraid putting your average below 5 or something wrong with you. There are more Anime out there worth 1 than Ex-arm, skelter heaven, Yakusoku no neverland 2nd, boku no pico.

Also, what's the point of this thread? What would you get?

I would get replys to make me understand the stupid concept of watching a medium you simply don't enjoy watching. There is no way in hell, you can enjoy a medium, if all you do is downvote anime for the sake of being a critic or feeling superior because you are entitled to do as you please. 5 is the average score, I am afraid that if I go below that, then it would be an indicator that I don't enjoy anime anymore. So at that point I'd much rather drop the medium entirely, than pretend to still enjoy it.

Also you do know you can just ignore these threads right? You're not obligated to reply. Just as I am not obligated to not make these type of threads just because you are tired of em.
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Saw this thread at like two replies. And now it's devolved into a shitfest.
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KMAS02 said:
Saw this thread at like two replies. And now it's devolved into a shitfest.

You were expecting it not to devolve into anything less than a shitfest?🗿
Jun 21, 2022 1:06 AM

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I don't get it. Why do people have a problem with taking something more seriously by giving something a lower score when it's perfectly justified? Do you have to give something a high score to avoid being judged for giving it a low one because that means "you don't like anime"? It doesn't mean there wasn't any entertainment or accomplishment that came out of the experience altogether

Giving everything a low score isn't justifiable. It's as pretentious as it can get. If you give everything a low score I have to question if you even like the medium anymore. There is absolutely no point in experiencing a medium you don't like.
It depends what you mean as low. Just because someone rates something a 4 or 5 doesn't mean they didn't find it worth their time, it's just that it has flaws that outweigh its strengths, but the strengths were still noticed and appreciated nevertheless. That alone is enough for some people, myself included, to continue watching anime even if there are stronger forms of entertainment out there
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Crack said:
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Giving everything a low score isn't justifiable. It's as pretentious as it can get. If you give everything a low score I have to question if you even like the medium anymore. There is absolutely no point in experiencing a medium you don't like.
It depends what you mean as low. Just because someone rates something a 4 or 5 doesn't mean they didn't find it worth their time, it's just that it has flaws that outweigh its strengths, but the strengths were still noticed and appreciated nevertheless. That alone is enough for some people, myself included, to continue watching anime even if there are stronger forms of entertainment out there

I'm mostly referring to people who always give scores lower than a 4. Mean scores below a 5 generally confuse me.
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AllahDiyenKirpi said:
why continue to living if you hate your life?
My man really thought he did something lmao
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DrBalls said:
KMAS02 said:
Saw this thread at like two replies. And now it's devolved into a shitfest.

You were expecting it not to devolve into anything less than a shitfest?🗿


Perhaps I was too naive. My mistake.
Jun 21, 2022 1:36 AM

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What does being a critic have to do with anything? If you only enjoyed part of an anime then why should you give it a high score

5 is the average score, if your mean score goes below that, then it just means you think anime is bad overall. Your score reflects your enjoyment.


Ok, I just typed an entire essay and my internet crashed, so Imma summarise.

-Average is subjective. If you like most anime, then your average [or 5] should be liking it. That's how equal distribution works. This would most likely result in a mean score below 5 [perhaps late 4s], this obviously means you don't dislike the anime the majority of the time.
-You're confusing quality and enjoyment. "Think an anime is bad overall" no, by your logic, scores are based of experience. A low mean score, to you, would mean most anime don't give them a pleasurable viewing time.
-"A show being laughably bad doesn't make it enjoyable." Wrong. By definition, enjoying something means you're taking away something good from it. Laughing, is a good thing. A lot of bad shows out there make me grunt and groan at their flaws [MHA for example] but others make me have fun with their flaws because it's blatant they're not trying to be serious, they're quite self aware their quality is bad.
-Continuing from my previous point, people enjoy stuff different ways. I gain enjoyment from liking what I'm seeing. If I notice anything bad about an anime, then in that moment it would have changed my feelings and therefore I wouldn't be overly enjoying what I'm seeing.
-Recognising the difference and balancing the flaws and pros about a show's quality with your own personal experience is a good thing. If I enjoyed a bad show [let's say eromanga sensei] on the same level as a good show [for convenience, let's use another SoL like Toradora!], I'm not going to rate them the same. Guilty pleasures are certainly a problematic thing when it comes to staying consistent. If I think a show is awful [perhaps a 2] but loved watching it, then it'd probably be around a 5, but if I loved watching a great show [a 7 or 8] then it's going to be around a 7 or 8. Do you recognise the pattern? Positive experience and positive quality are parallel with each other, just like negative experience and negative quality. But, if you dislike watching good shows and like watching bad shows, then that's where they aren't consistent with each other and you find that balance. You could watch 100s of shows you'd depict as being a 1 or 2 out of 10, but if you only somewhat liked it, then that raises the quality to around a 3, hence a reason why most people would have a mean score around 3.
-Going to my first point about how your average should be your average experience, well after a while, let's say you've watched 1000s of anime and you dislike most of them because consumerism and rushed projects are way too real. By both of our logic here, that would mean you would have to shift all your ratings to centre your disliking as a 5. This, becomes a problem. Because you don't put much thought into the shows you dislike, you can't easily spread out your 1s and 2s to a 3 or 4. You just dump them in the pile of 1s and 2s and can't easily identify which ones you hate or dislike. Likewise with the higher ratings, if you were to shift all your ratings having centre on disliking, that means a 6 would be watchable, 7 like, 8 love, 9 really love, 10 best. But how would you shift them? If your previous 9s were "best" and 10s were "best but top tier", and you feel so strongly about keeping them separate, does that mean you combine your previous 8s with the 9s, or 9s with 10s? This causes a massive problem and shows the inconsistency with rating [this is why I've dropped rating stuff]. If you were to keep making an equal distribution around your most common [the average] feeling, you're going to have a mess. This is why I don't use the term "average" when referring to my 5s [when I rated]. A 5 is the transition from low quality to high quality. It's the middle of the middle, your ok, mediocre, just about watchable stuff. To a normal person, yes, this is your average show. But if you reach into like the 3000s, 4000s, then now, your average feeling would be lower.
-Next problem, what exactly is "liking an anime". I like Beastars, but I don't like watching it. I dislike No Game No Life, but I liked watching it. Liking a show =/= liking the experience you got from it. Have you ever heard people say "I respect this product, but it's not for me" ? Because that somewhat branches of what I'm trying to say. Take my example Beastars. I respect it a lot, I think its execution is handled solidly and overall it's a decent story that works. So in a way, I do like Beastars. However, the bad cgi, anthropomorphic visuals with a few other reasons resulted in me not liking the experience. Do you see how there's a difference? With NGNL, I dislike how it played out and how stupid it is at times. The fanservice moments are some of the worst in memory. But, any pleasant moments it had that were fun, were very very entertaining. Not just "watchable" or "liked" but full on immersive and making me smile. These moments completely overshadowed the somewhat enjoyable experience the rest of the show had on me. I don't even think these moments were particularly good either, I just liked them. So, it wasn't "laughably bad" because I'm enjoying the show how it was intended even if I still dislike the content.

This may seem long and convoluted, but tbh, why do you care so much that people score differently to you? It doesn't exactly concern you at all. What I've said isn't exactly the 100% truth with everyone with low mean scores, but it's just to give you insight on possible reasons and why your side of the argument is relatively flawed. Yes, there are trolls, yes, there are people who rate low to seem cool, there are also people who rate solely on critical quality and not their enjoyment. But, your initial statement being "having a low mean score means you dislike most anime so why do you continue watching" is inherently stupid.
Jun 21, 2022 1:43 AM

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"Why watch anime if you hate it?"

not valuing high != hating

Like there are really stupid shows which are fun to watch.
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When I rate any anime with a low score , its usually after i complete an anime , cuz initially i was that dude who had many dropped animes , but later on the specific anime fandom advised me to complete the show before hating on it . Most of them were pretty sick but some were trash so its up to you , cuz like some people cant comprehend watching berserk as its to hard for them so they tend to drop it .
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alshu said:
"Why watch anime if you hate it?"

not valuing high != hating

Like there are really stupid shows which are fun to watch.

You're not enjoying the show specifically in this case tho, you're enjoying how bad it is. And I'm not talking about that. There are a lot of cases of people scoring everything they watch lower than a 4, other than the few anime in their favorites which they've scored a 10. It's only rating on these two extremes that I don't get.
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The typical answers (not mine, since I don't have a mean score of 2 or 3) to this question are:

- Digging through the mud to find gems is worth it

- I enjoy even my 2s and 3s, they're just worse in terms of plot/animation/characters/sound/enjoyment/etc. than my 4s and 5s, and so on


yea guys, watching days worth of anime just to find something that actually makes you happy is a completely normal human process. right?
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CickNipolla said:
Nirinbo said:
The typical answers (not mine, since I don't have a mean score of 2 or 3) to this question are:

- Digging through the mud to find gems is worth it

- I enjoy even my 2s and 3s, they're just worse in terms of plot/animation/characters/sound/enjoyment/etc. than my 4s and 5s, and so on


yea guys, watching days worth of anime just to find something that actually makes you happy is a completely normal human process. right?

Yes. You don't know if you're going to like a show or not until you've watched all of it [hence why some people, like myself, never drop stuff]. If you think about it, after a while, you're gonna stop watching new anime and just rewatch the stuff you enjoy. If you like 200 anime but dislike 500, then the mean score would be really low, but from now on, you won't contribute to that mean score anymore because you would only rewatch the good stuff you know you like. This is how humans work with everything. Let's say food. From a young age, you don't know what you like. If you're picky, you would journey through a selection of foods that you mostly dislike until you find a good range of items that you do enjoy. After exploring enough, you then settle with just eating those specific few products you actually do like. If you realise that after a lot of attempts to find something you like [let's say you watch 50 anime in a row and didn't like any of them, even though they were popular, or highly rated, or fit into your taste] then at that point you'd give up. But if every 50 shows you find a few [like 5-10] good shows, then it's worth the watch to pile onto your like list. At some point in life, you're going to stop watching anime a lot, probably. If you have limited time or don't have much dedication to the medium, you're just going to settle on the stuff you like. I hope this makes more sense :D
Jun 21, 2022 1:55 AM

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You're not enjoying the show specifically in this case tho, you're enjoying how bad it is. And I'm not talking about that.

Yes you are...I am still watching the whole thing and still giving it 3/10 for example.

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There are a lot of cases of people scoring everything they watch lower than a 4

Maybe those guys are using the scoring system in a different way. Maybe 4/10 is not "bad" for them.

Also not sure why you should care about average scores. Only your own should be important to you.
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CickNipolla said:


yea guys, watching days worth of anime just to find something that actually makes you happy is a completely normal human process. right?

Yes. You don't know if you're going to like a show or not until you've watched all of it [hence why some people, like myself, never drop stuff]. If you think about it, after a while, you're gonna stop watching new anime and just rewatch the stuff you enjoy. If you like 200 anime but dislike 500, then the mean score would be really low, but from now on, you won't contribute to that mean score anymore because you would only rewatch the good stuff you know you like. This is how humans work with everything. Let's say food. From a young age, you don't know what you like. If you're picky, you would journey through a selection of foods that you mostly dislike until you find a good range of items that you do enjoy. After exploring enough, you then settle with just eating those specific few products you actually do like.


It is not normal human psychology to continuously go through something you dont enjoy. If 9/10 fruits you eat you dont like, you arent going to eat choose to eat the 11th fruit over eating something else you actually do like. Anime dont randomly get better once you finish it, so people who continue to finish anime they dont like are just masochists
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Yes. You don't know if you're going to like a show or not until you've watched all of it [hence why some people, like myself, never drop stuff]. If you think about it, after a while, you're gonna stop watching new anime and just rewatch the stuff you enjoy. If you like 200 anime but dislike 500, then the mean score would be really low, but from now on, you won't contribute to that mean score anymore because you would only rewatch the good stuff you know you like. This is how humans work with everything. Let's say food. From a young age, you don't know what you like. If you're picky, you would journey through a selection of foods that you mostly dislike until you find a good range of items that you do enjoy. After exploring enough, you then settle with just eating those specific few products you actually do like.

Anime dont randomly get better once you finish it, so people who continue to finish anime they dont like are just masochists


Not always true. Not true. I hated the first half of Platinum End but found myself pleasantly watching the 2nd half, even tho it was garbage. Even if it was all still bad, it still technically got better. Likewise, you may hate a beginning of a show but the ending may wrap up everything nicely that makes it less bad [say, went from awful to mediocre]. You can have the opposite also. Shows like To Your Eternity, Ranking of the kings, Charlotte, all had pretty solid first halves but lost all its quality in the 2nd. But because you know the show CAN be good, you would stick around to the end right? Just in case? If not, then idk why you don't. In relevancy, the tv animated show Star Wars: Rebels [not an anime, but I think it's a good example] was pretty bad for the first season. But each season onwards progressively got better and better. It "randomly" went from an awful childish spinoff to an actual investing story.
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AstelleVey said:
CickNipolla said:

Anime dont randomly get better once you finish it, so people who continue to finish anime they dont like are just masochists


Not always true. Not true. I hated the first half of Platinum End but found myself pleasantly watching the 2nd half, even tho it was garbage. Even if it was all still bad, it still technically got better. Likewise, you may hate a beginning of a show but the ending may wrap up everything nicely that makes it less bad [say, went from awful to mediocre]. You can have the opposite also. Shows like To Your Eternity, Ranking of the kings, Charlotte, all had pretty solid first halves but lost all its quality in the 2nd. But because you know the show CAN be good, you would stick around to the end right? Just in case? If not, then idk why you don't. In relevancy, the tv animated show Star Wars: Rebels [not an anime, but I think it's a good example] was pretty bad for the first season. But each season onwards progressively got better and better. It "randomly" went from an awful childish spinoff to an actual investing story.


this thread is aimed at people in particular who never enjoy an anime. thats the whole point. you dont get an average score of like 3 without not liking nearly every anime you watch.
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You're not enjoying the show specifically in this case tho, you're enjoying how bad it is. And I'm not talking about that.

Yes you are...I am still watching the whole thing and still giving it 3/10 for example.

DrBalls said:
There are a lot of cases of people scoring everything they watch lower than a 4

Maybe those guys are using the scoring system in a different way. Maybe 4/10 is not "bad" for them.

Also not sure why you should care about average scores. Only your own should be important to you.

I don't care. I'm just curious. And deciding your own scoring system is just as bullshit as whatever excuse people may find for rating a series a 6.99/10 instead of a 7, like there is any real difference in that. (Idk why I picked 6.99 tbh, seemed fair💀)
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Yes. You don't know if you're going to like a show or not until you've watched all of it [hence why some people, like myself, never drop stuff]. If you think about it, after a while, you're gonna stop watching new anime and just rewatch the stuff you enjoy. If you like 200 anime but dislike 500, then the mean score would be really low, but from now on, you won't contribute to that mean score anymore because you would only rewatch the good stuff you know you like. This is how humans work with everything. Let's say food. From a young age, you don't know what you like. If you're picky, you would journey through a selection of foods that you mostly dislike until you find a good range of items that you do enjoy. After exploring enough, you then settle with just eating those specific few products you actually do like.


It is not normal human psychology to continuously go through something you dont enjoy. If 9/10 fruits you eat you dont like, you arent going to eat choose to eat the 11th fruit over eating something else you actually do like.


Thought I'd comment on this as well last minute. If you have never eaten fruit before and you only enjoyed 1 out of 10 fruit, then you won't instantly give up. You'd find fruit that are similar to the one you enjoy to see if you like that, just in case you got unlucky with that 10 fruit selection. If you liked that 1 fruit so much and think there could be others with similar quality, and the fruit you dislike aren't too bad but just not your taste, then it would be illogical to not venture more fruit. If you quit and just repeat digesting the same fruit, you would get bored, and after a while you would get tired and start disliking it. That's why, before giving up, you need a good selection of stuff to be fully satisfied. What constitutes satisfactory to a person is up to them. Some people only need a few shows, others needs 100s. Some may need 1000s.
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Not always true. Not true. I hated the first half of Platinum End but found myself pleasantly watching the 2nd half, even tho it was garbage. Even if it was all still bad, it still technically got better. Likewise, you may hate a beginning of a show but the ending may wrap up everything nicely that makes it less bad [say, went from awful to mediocre]. You can have the opposite also. Shows like To Your Eternity, Ranking of the kings, Charlotte, all had pretty solid first halves but lost all its quality in the 2nd. But because you know the show CAN be good, you would stick around to the end right? Just in case? If not, then idk why you don't. In relevancy, the tv animated show Star Wars: Rebels [not an anime, but I think it's a good example] was pretty bad for the first season. But each season onwards progressively got better and better. It "randomly" went from an awful childish spinoff to an actual investing story.


this thread is aimed at people in particular who never enjoy an anime. thats the whole point. you dont get an average score of like 3 without not liking nearly every anime you watch.

I'm aware, that's why I'm not directing my comments at that initial post but more towards what you specifically are saying.
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Yes you are...I am still watching the whole thing and still giving it 3/10 for example.


Maybe those guys are using the scoring system in a different way. Maybe 4/10 is not "bad" for them.

Also not sure why you should care about average scores. Only your own should be important to you.

I don't care. I'm just curious. And deciding your own scoring system is just as bullshit as whatever excuse people may find for rating a series a 6.99/10 instead of a 7, like there is any real difference in that. (Idk why I picked 6.99 tbh, seemed fair💀)

"I'm just curious"
*instantly attacks the idea*
Deciding your own scoring system is the best option. Especially for those who rate over different platforms [ie, I also rate stuff on letterboxd, imdb, goodreads etc]. Goodreads says a 2/5 is "ok", MAL says a 4/10 is bad. Makes no sense when trying to compare. Personal rating systems are the best option. If you watch 1000 shows and liked 800 of them, why limit just 6-10 to them 800? It makes it much harder to tell which shows you like more than others. Directing to your "6.99 and not 7" point, whilst I agree this is dumb, it's also an exaggerated portrayal of people who rate in decimals. Most people rate into the 1 decimal place [most people who actually use decimals]. So I'm going to use my experience as a 1 dp user to answer what the difference is. When calculating a score, I first think of my base rating [1-10]. This is based of primary feelings and first thoughts. "Oh, I enjoyed that show quite a lot, it's a 7". Based on rounding, a 7 would 6.5-7.4, so now you have to figure out the difference between the 2. Quite simple, let's say a 6.5 is really like, and 7 is love. Because I didn't love this 7 show, it would be in the 6.5-6.9 range. So after some thoughts, and comparing to other shows I gave around that rating, I would finalise with the decimal point; 6.5 being only barely really liked, 6.9 being almost love territory. This idea isn't perfect at all, but it's perhaps the best way to accurately get decimal ratings
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AstelleVey said:
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this thread is aimed at people in particular who never enjoy an anime. thats the whole point. you dont get an average score of like 3 without not liking nearly every anime you watch.

I'm aware, that's why I'm not directing my comments at that initial post but more towards what you specifically are saying.
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I don't care. I'm just curious. And deciding your own scoring system is just as bullshit as whatever excuse people may find for rating a series a 6.99/10 instead of a 7, like there is any real difference in that. (Idk why I picked 6.99 tbh, seemed fair💀)

"I'm just curious"
*instantly attacks the idea*
Deciding your own scoring system is the best option. Especially for those who rate over different platforms [ie, I also rate stuff on letterboxd, imdb, goodreads etc]. Goodreads says a 2/5 is "ok", MAL says a 4/10 is bad. Makes no sense when trying to compare. Personal rating systems are the best option. If you watch 1000 shows and liked 800 of them, why limit just 6-10 to them 800? It makes it much harder to tell which shows you like more than others. Directing to your "6.99 and not 7" point, whilst I agree this is dumb, it's also an exaggerated portrayal of people who rate in decimals. Most people rate into the 1 decimal place [most people who actually use decimals]. So I'm going to use my experience as a 1 dp user to answer what the difference is. When calculating a score, I first think of my base rating [1-10]. This is based of primary feelings and first thoughts. "Oh, I enjoyed that show quite a lot, it's a 7". Based on rounding, a 7 would 6.5-7.4, so now you have to figure out the difference between the 2. Quite simple, let's say a 6.5 is really like, and 7 is love. Because I didn't love this 7 show, it would be in the 6.5-6.9 range. So after some thoughts, and comparing to other shows I gave around that rating, I would finalise with the decimal point; 6.5 being only barely really liked, 6.9 being almost love territory. This idea isn't perfect at all, but it's perhaps the best way to accurately get decimal ratings

Look I realize how what I wrote may seem to others. But I genuinely am just curious. Decimal ratings still don't make sense to me even after reading your reply. It just seems like you're overthinking this whole rating thing. You do you tho.
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Yes. You don't know if you're going to like a show or not until you've watched all of it [hence why some people, like myself, never drop stuff]. If you think about it, after a while, you're gonna stop watching new anime and just rewatch the stuff you enjoy. If you like 200 anime but dislike 500, then the mean score would be really low, but from now on, you won't contribute to that mean score anymore because you would only rewatch the good stuff you know you like. This is how humans work with everything. Let's say food. From a young age, you don't know what you like. If you're picky, you would journey through a selection of foods that you mostly dislike until you find a good range of items that you do enjoy. After exploring enough, you then settle with just eating those specific few products you actually do like.


It is not normal human psychology to continuously go through something you dont enjoy. If 9/10 fruits you eat you dont like, you arent going to eat choose to eat the 11th fruit over eating something else you actually do like. Anime dont randomly get better once you finish it, so people who continue to finish anime they dont like are just masochists

The flaw in yours and OP's logic is assuming that bad = not enjoyable. According to MAL, 3/10 = very bad; it doesn't say anything about hating or not enjoying it.

I'm not talking about "rating objectively", it's still about rating by enjoyment: how would you rate an anime you enjoyed, but that is worse in every aspect (including enjoyment) than anything you rated 4 or higher? Where do you set the bar between "enjoying it" and "hating it"? I set it between 4 and 5 because I do think that enjoyable = not bad = better than 4/10, but other ways are possible.

Of course, I'm sure that some people do hate most of the anime they watch, but they're so much addicted to anime that they can't stop. That isn't healthy. My point is that it doesn't depend on their mean score, since someone with a mean score of 8.9 can hate anything they rate 7 or lower just as someone with a mean score of 2.9 hates anything they rate 1 or 2.
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It is not normal human psychology to continuously go through something you dont enjoy. If 9/10 fruits you eat you dont like, you arent going to eat choose to eat the 11th fruit over eating something else you actually do like. Anime dont randomly get better once you finish it, so people who continue to finish anime they dont like are just masochists

The flaw in yours and OP's logic is assuming that bad = not enjoyable. According to MAL, 3/10 = very bad; it doesn't say anything about hating or not enjoying it.

I'm not talking about "rating objectively", it's still about rating by enjoyment: how would you rate an anime you enjoyed, but that is worse in every aspect (including enjoyment) than anything you rated 4 or higher? Where do you set the bar between "enjoying it" and "hating it"? I set it between 4 and 5 because I do think that enjoyable = not bad = better than 4/10, but other ways are possible.

Of course, I'm sure that some people do hate most of the anime they watch, but they're so much addicted to anime that they can't stop. That isn't healthy. My point is that it doesn't depend on their mean score, since someone with a mean score of 8.9 can hate anything they rate 7 or lower just as someone with a mean score of 2.9 hates anything they rate 1 or 2.


right, very bad does not equate to not liking it. i forgot how many people say something is very bad but still say they enjoy it.
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I'm aware, that's why I'm not directing my comments at that initial post but more towards what you specifically are saying.

"I'm just curious"
*instantly attacks the idea*
Deciding your own scoring system is the best option. Especially for those who rate over different platforms [ie, I also rate stuff on letterboxd, imdb, goodreads etc]. Goodreads says a 2/5 is "ok", MAL says a 4/10 is bad. Makes no sense when trying to compare. Personal rating systems are the best option. If you watch 1000 shows and liked 800 of them, why limit just 6-10 to them 800? It makes it much harder to tell which shows you like more than others. Directing to your "6.99 and not 7" point, whilst I agree this is dumb, it's also an exaggerated portrayal of people who rate in decimals. Most people rate into the 1 decimal place [most people who actually use decimals]. So I'm going to use my experience as a 1 dp user to answer what the difference is. When calculating a score, I first think of my base rating [1-10]. This is based of primary feelings and first thoughts. "Oh, I enjoyed that show quite a lot, it's a 7". Based on rounding, a 7 would 6.5-7.4, so now you have to figure out the difference between the 2. Quite simple, let's say a 6.5 is really like, and 7 is love. Because I didn't love this 7 show, it would be in the 6.5-6.9 range. So after some thoughts, and comparing to other shows I gave around that rating, I would finalise with the decimal point; 6.5 being only barely really liked, 6.9 being almost love territory. This idea isn't perfect at all, but it's perhaps the best way to accurately get decimal ratings

Look I realize how what I wrote may seem to others. But I genuinely am just curious. Decimal ratings still don't make sense to me even after reading your reply. It just seems like you're overthinking this whole rating thing. You do you tho.

Fair, and of course, it is just down to people's own viewness. Some people like to be exact and get the most accurate rating/ranking they possibly can, myself included ages ago. I switched from 1dp to just having it a "6.5" or "7.0". I then later abandoned that because scoring stuff sucks in general after a while. The big reason is just because the 10 point system is terrible. You can't correlate numbers with feelings specifically. If you include decimal points, then you have a wider range. Including the 0.5s, you essentially get 21 different options if you include 0.0 and 0.5. My example before with 6.5 really like and 7.0 love was what I used. Before I used decimals, there were many shows I couldn't decide its placement between 2 scores. The best method was to then just put them in the middle and create an imaginary 0.5 system. The higher the score, the bigger the difference. I know quite a lot of people who say "I never rate 10s because nothing is perfect", well with the 0.5 or decimal system, you no longer have to have that mindset, because a "9.5" rounded is 10, and it's not a perfect score. Yes this is a complicated way of doing things, but this system is only helpful and should only be implemented if you have watched a lot of stuff to be confident enough. I haven't got a large completed list, so I ultimately backed down from rating stuff because it would constantly be "work in progress". Those who have seen countless of content would be able to identify more the difference between an "8.8" and an "8.9". Mostly it just comes down to "oh this show is an 8.8, but I liked this new one more, but I don't like it more than this show I gave a 9.0, so it must be an 8.9". I hope that makes better sense?
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CickNipolla said:
Nirinbo said:

The flaw in yours and OP's logic is assuming that bad = not enjoyable. According to MAL, 3/10 = very bad; it doesn't say anything about hating or not enjoying it.

I'm not talking about "rating objectively", it's still about rating by enjoyment: how would you rate an anime you enjoyed, but that is worse in every aspect (including enjoyment) than anything you rated 4 or higher? Where do you set the bar between "enjoying it" and "hating it"? I set it between 4 and 5 because I do think that enjoyable = not bad = better than 4/10, but other ways are possible.

Of course, I'm sure that some people do hate most of the anime they watch, but they're so much addicted to anime that they can't stop. That isn't healthy. My point is that it doesn't depend on their mean score, since someone with a mean score of 8.9 can hate anything they rate 7 or lower just as someone with a mean score of 2.9 hates anything they rate 1 or 2.


right, very bad does not equate to not liking it. i forgot how many people say something is very bad but still say they enjoy it.


wars are a bad thing, but I enjoy learning about them. Does me enjoying the absorption of knowledge of a terrible event mean the event was actually a good thing? no.
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AstelleVey said:
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Look I realize how what I wrote may seem to others. But I genuinely am just curious. Decimal ratings still don't make sense to me even after reading your reply. It just seems like you're overthinking this whole rating thing. You do you tho.

Fair, and of course, it is just down to people's own viewness. Some people like to be exact and get the most accurate rating/ranking they possibly can, myself included ages ago. I switched from 1dp to just having it a "6.5" or "7.0". I then later abandoned that because scoring stuff sucks in general after a while. The big reason is just because the 10 point system is terrible. You can't correlate numbers with feelings specifically. If you include decimal points, then you have a wider range. Including the 0.5s, you essentially get 21 different options if you include 0.0 and 0.5. My example before with 6.5 really like and 7.0 love was what I used. Before I used decimals, there were many shows I couldn't decide its placement between 2 scores. The best method was to then just put them in the middle and create an imaginary 0.5 system. The higher the score, the bigger the difference. I know quite a lot of people who say "I never rate 10s because nothing is perfect", well with the 0.5 or decimal system, you no longer have to have that mindset, because a "9.5" rounded is 10, and it's not a perfect score. Yes this is a complicated way of doing things, but this system is only helpful and should only be implemented if you have watched a lot of stuff to be confident enough. I haven't got a large completed list, so I ultimately backed down from rating stuff because it would constantly be "work in progress". Those who have seen countless of content would be able to identify more the difference between an "8.8" and an "8.9". Mostly it just comes down to "oh this show is an 8.8, but I liked this new one more, but I don't like it more than this show I gave a 9.0, so it must be an 8.9". I hope that makes better sense?

Yeah it does make sense. Personally I've never thought of it like that. To me the rating system is just a way for me to express how much I love sth. And I've never really gotten any satisfaction out of giving ratings to anime. The 1-10 rating system MAL has seems fair to me, mostly because it's simple, and I hate investing my time on finding specific scores for certain anime. If I enjoy sth, I don't need ratings to decide how much I enjoy it. And usually if I enjoy an anime more than another, I just tweak the ratings. It does the job, I guess.
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"Rating anime based on enjoyment..."

This is the very stupid statement I've ever heard. I was just like that before but I couldn't deny to myself that I should critic animes properly. So the answer to your question is, maybe some people are having standards/high standards from a show?



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"Rating anime based on enjoyment..."

This is the very stupid statement I've ever heard. I was just like that before but I couldn't deny to myself that I should critic animes properly. So the answer to your question is, maybe some people are having standards/high standards from a show?

That's called being pretentious, but ok.
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DrBalls said:
Natsuki_SanJuan said:
"Rating anime based on enjoyment..."

This is the very stupid statement I've ever heard. I was just like that before but I couldn't deny to myself that I should critic animes properly. So the answer to your question is, maybe some people are having standards/high standards from a show?

That's called being pretentious, but ok.
I wouldn't call it pretentious at all, it just means you care about the medium/ what you're watching enough to think about it on a deeper level, like on my list there might be a show I didn't enjoy but I think about how well it's written and what themes it portrays and maybe rate it a little higher than I usually would... cause I'm generous.

Also, certain people have different backgrounds and look into stuff way more, as I am a professional designer I always analyse the small details without realising it. It's just how people are and it's not like that's gonna change ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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humantwig said:
DrBalls said:

That's called being pretentious, but ok.
I wouldn't call it pretentious at all, it just means you care about the medium/ what you're watching enough to think about it on a deeper level, like on my list there might be a show I think is garbage but I think about how well it's written and what themes it portrays and maybe rate it a little higher than I usually would... cause I'm generous.

Also, certain people have different backgrounds and look into stuff way more, as I am a professional designer I always analyse the small details without realising it. It's just how people are and it's not like that's gonna change ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There's a big difference between analyzing a literary work, and rating it. There is nothing wrong with trying to analyze stuff, sometimes even overthinking can be a good thing, however labeling yourself a critic and thinking giving ratings to series makes you special or sth, then you are wrong.
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There are one of those who get off from being a self proclaimed anime crtique, and think that giving low scores is a sign of mature and refined taste. To them, anime is not only an entertainment but a tool to boost their narcissistic ego.
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I don't know how long you've been watching anime, but I see you've joined MAL rather recently. With that in mind, I'll say that my personal reason for rating anime low, is the more I watch, the more my expectations rise.

Now in the 2020s it's become clear to me. Anime changes, so that it can cater to the new generation of anime fans. Which I'm not a part of, so the type of anime I enjoy are either less or are changed in some way. That means I have to find a handful of needles in a haystack. So from around 160+ anime a year, I should give 100 or less series a chance. Naturally 30% will be dropped/skipped, 20% will be rated higher and 50% will be rated lower.
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They probably still like it, they're just more critical.
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I think that many people have average scores of 3-4 because they actually enjoy watching bad shows on purpose. On the other hand, some people just really enjoy being extra edgy and rating everything extremely low. Uhhh oooohhhhh I'm so different ClownEmoji
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AllahDiyenKirpi said:
why continue to living if you hate your life?


Watching anime and living is totally in different level. Watching anime is not fundamental, living on the other hand is the basis of one's life.

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why would you care about that when you have your own life?
lol like paeople in MAL, do you not have anything else to do?. this ballz and nuts guy says we are wasting our time. But it is like he himself is wasting his time in making these threads and might be investing their mentalities too much in these. also many people watch anime till end even if they find it bad to find the minimal good parts in that so that they can be at least a 1.
also plz dont care as deez will never conclude
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If you're talking about score, you need to keep in mind that everyone has a different score system. A 7 for you can be a 2 to the other person. Twisted, but that's how it works. General scores don't mean anything.

I will however agree and point out that, at least on MAL, I've seen plenty of users with stupidly low mean scores (below 3.5) that keep repeating that they "love" anime, and when you open their lists and read their notes, it's pretty much 95% hate comments on a show, nitpicking even the slightest tiny mistake (and some of their criticisms are downright retarded, the most common being complaining about a shounen show being a shounen). And I'm not even going to mention their multiple forum comments constantly complaining about the anime industry, like they know everything wrong with it (it's as if they perfectly know how to make the best anime of all time). It's quite sickening, so I just distance myself. Honestly, if these people think that rating everything low and complaining like an uber-pretentious critic will make their opinion superior to others, it just shows how narrow-minded and stupid they are.

I personally think these people are wasting their precious lifetime, but hey, their life, not mine, so idc.
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DrBalls said:
I've seen countless MAL users who generally score everything they watch low.

*checks my mean score* Yeah, guilty as charged.

I actually don't watch anime recreationally anymore, went full-on manga elitist and it's been smooth sailing since.
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Monrello said:
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I've seen countless MAL users who generally score everything they watch low.

*checks my mean score* Yeah, guilty as charged.

I actually don't watch anime recreationally anymore, went full-on manga elitist and it's been smooth sailing since.

I mean mangas just easier to consume. But your mean score is kinda pathetic ngl.
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why would you care about that when you have your own life?
lol like paeople in MAL, do you not have anything else to do?. this ballz and nuts guy says we are wasting our time. But it is like he himself is wasting his time in making these threads and might be investing their mentalities too much in these. also many people watch anime till end even if they find it bad to find the minimal good parts in that so that they can be at least a 1.
also plz dont care as deez will never conclude

Well, considering I just finished my yearly college exams and I now have 3 months of holiday. Yeah I'd say I have nothing better to do. But you're replying to this thread, meaning you're on the same boat as myself.
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I mean mangas just easier to consume.

Very true. I personally find it easier to be lenient with manga because two to five minute chapters are less of a time commitment than twenty-four minute episodes.

It helps that manga are usually a one or two man team working on their goofy idea for a story rather than a 100+ man animation studio producing something that'll be on TV; you'd expect a bit more quality from professional adaptations (or at least, I do).
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Monrello said:
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I mean mangas just easier to consume.

Very true. I personally find it easier to be lenient with manga because two to five minute chapters are less of a time commitment than twenty-four minute episodes.

It helps that manga are usually a one or two man team working on their goofy idea for a story rather than a 100+ man animation studio producing something that'll be on TV; you'd expect a bit more quality from professional adaptations (or at least, I do).

True. Although it ain't that simple considering most animators and staff members are overworked and underpaid. And usually anime adaptations have very tight schedules. Of course, mangakas have it just as hard with their schedules, but they also don't have to deal with frame movement, in-between animations, voice acting, sound design, etc.
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low mean score doesn't mean you hate anime, or even that you hate the anime you gave a low score to. you can watch something and take some enjoyment from it and still recognize that it's average or mediocre or just plain bad. sure critical analysis is subjective and it's perfectly fine if you don't want to do it, but why are others not allowed to? people critique almost everything that exists, and have done so for quite a long time. why is some random subpar anime exempt from this?

also, some people start watching an anime that sucks and they don't enjoy, then drop it and give it a low score based on what they've seen. like me. which I think is fine because most anime don't drastically change from the first few episodes.
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There's a difference between overall score and pure enjoyment, many MAL users just seem to disregard this whenever they give a show a rating.
I see where OP is going with this post though, there are countless reviews of users literally despising and struggling to go through a certain show, even rating enjoyment @ 1-2.
The saddest thing I see on this site are users, literally receiving requests to review a show even if it's ass. Although those users have unbiased reviews I still think it's genuinely sad to not watch a show for enjoyment, but rather criticizing and finding flaws.
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I feel OP in the fact I wouldn't complete an anime I felt deserved less than a four.
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