is elaina based on MAX STIRNER?

Piromysl said:
No, Elaina is based on average Twitter user.

SleepyNeptune said:
Excuse me explain your argument clearly please and thank you.

Piromysl said:

Narcissist, thinks works revolves around her, whole world must go to a screeching halt if something upsets her and pretends to care about people just to make herself look good.

Actually, this whole statement was supposed to be a joke, but jokes are way better if they are somehow rooted in reality.

bibitmeinzmk said:
That sounds like true bitch rather than true witch.

Piromysl said:
No, Elaina is based on average Twitter user.

Piromysl said:

Narcissist, thinks works revolves around her, whole world must go to a screeching halt if something upsets her and pretends to care about people just to make herself look good.

Actually, this whole statement was supposed to be a joke, but jokes are way better if they are somehow rooted in reality.
Not saying that this is bad, because I'd take that than bland and boring Mary Sue #263515

Sushi099 said:

basically, plus I just felt like she had no character development the entire show.

Alabamagod said:
Elaina is based on True Witch concept.
Malevolent, cunning, deceitful, corrupt, blasphemous, very cynical and rude.

Neostorm-X said:
it seems to be that you don't like her because of your subjective moral compass instead of her character

Neostorm-X said:
also she has literally not told a lie yet as far as i know?

Neostorm-X said:
deceitful, corrupt

Neostorm-X said:
blasphemous

Neostorm-X said:
also doesn't the witches rule their world?
wouldn't it be the opposite since blasphemousness is against the ruling diety, and if shes one of them its impossible to be blasphemous,

Alabamagod said:


No. Witches are just human beings. They are not the top of the world. There are multidimensional beings that stand above their entire world and consider the human race as their livestock.

Also, there's no exact religion in terms of deity worship in Majo no Tabitabi world, but there's one nasty ancient religion called "Magic Supremacy" where all non-mages are considered "Less Than Human Anima/Subhuman Anima"("Anima" means Soul) and are treated like animals.

Neostorm-X said:


no but they are considered nobles or at least part of the ruling part of the party with one of the most influence in their world. my point still stands

Definition of blasphemy

a : the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God
// accused of blasphemy
b : the act of claiming the attributes of a deity
// for a mere man to suggest that he was … divine could only be viewed … as blasphemy
— John Bright †1889

Alabamagod said:


Witches are nobles? Yes. Witches are government influential figures? Relatively, more likely yes than no. Witches are Gods? No, absolutely not.




That's exactly what Elaina always does. Her persona alone is already blasphemy lol because she's morally possessed by demons one of which literally pretends to be an angel but is even worse than a demon. Her pseudo-evangelical counseling in Vol 13 is blasphemy as possible. Elaina even said to one of her clients, "God is dead. There is no God anymore."

Alabamagod said:


Witches are nobles? Yes. Witches are government influential figures? Relatively, more likely yes than no. Witches are Gods? No, absolutely not.




That's exactly what Elaina always does. Her persona alone is already blasphemy lol because she's morally possessed by demons one of which literally pretends to be an angel but is even worse than a demon. Her pseudo-evangelical counseling in Vol 13 is blasphemy as possible. Elaina even said to one of her clients, "God is dead. There is no God anymore."

Neostorm-X said:
cuz you're a christcuck or one of those radical terrorist supporters lol.

Neostorm-X said:
also im surprised you gave this series like a 10/10 if you hate elaina so much.

Alabamagod said:


I'm an atheist who only believes in the laws of the universe, and your assumptions about me are fundamentally incorrect because I'm very interested in the world, human nature and all human activity. Just like Majo no Tabitabi LN author himself.



Because LN aka source material is infinitely better than anime. LN is way darker, deeper, funnier (there's black humor) and truly interesting compared to this ultra-fluffy anime adaptation with its lots of Out of Character moments...
Like this:

Anime adaptation is nothing but Majo no Tabitabi kids version.

>if you hate elaina so much

I clearly said above that I LOVE Elaina endlessly.
Read that comment again.

Neostorm-X said:
also The way you constantly list things that elaina did makes me think you despised her.

Alabamagod said:


Being a fan of a character doesn't mean blindly praising them by focusing only on their good sides. Being a true fan of a character is when you're fine with everything they do but don't deny any of it at all. If a character does something really bad you have to admit "it's bad" and not even try to defend them in order to make him/her seem nicer in the eyes of others. I follow this principle. In other words, I'm used to seeing things as they are.

I love everything about Elaina her rottenness, her coolness and chadness, her rare kindness and humanity, her philosophical and melancholic side and even a bit sentimental. Everything.

Neostorm-X said:


wait then, are you supporting my point? or against it, because im confused by your comments here, my thread was highlighting the similarities between elaina and max stirners ideology(or rejection of ideology)
but it seems you agree with me?
i guess this was a misunderstanding?

Alabamagod said:


My primary point was "Elaina is based on True Witch concept", because the LN author loves witches very much, and judging by how rotten and insane the witches in Majo no Tabitabi world are () , he definitely prefers the typical European witches rather than overromanticized Japanese witches who bring endless light and happiness to the world.
However, I find it pretty funny that my listing of things about LN Elaina ended up as a supporting element to your point. Unfortunately. I can't say if your point is the truth we're looking for, but I agree with it anyway.

Neostorm-X said:


EUROPEAN witches? how is "tyranny, homicide, genocide, human experiments, etc." any indication of eurpean witches?
no witch has ever even existed and those accused of being a witch were mostly pagans,
it was christcuck propaganda that portrayed all pagans as satan and evil that led to most witch hunts,
how is this in any way indication of european witches?
this was a war on paganism using propaganda and group think to rile people up to lynch a certain set of people with specific believes.

its like the whole retarded QANON movement that pretends that everyone which is their political opponents are pedos or some stupid shit. alarmist bullshit like "oh noo *certainpolitican* is running a child trafficing den"

its exactly like this but for witches.
the concept of non malevolent witches are not japanese at all, but rooted in pagan and celtic cultures and myth across northern europen, and were very peaceful ages and druids who had a connection with nature and performed alchemy to perform magical tasks.
Christcucks ruined many cultures and commited the largest amount of genocide known to man if anything all that was described "tyranny, homicide, genocide, human experiments" should be attributed towards popes and pastors

Neostorm-X said:
Christcucks ruined many cultures and commited the largest amount of genocide known to man if anything all that was described "tyranny, homicide, genocide, human experiments" should be attributed towards popes and pastors

Deruin said:
The director really nerfed Elaina's character in the Anime. They tried to make it lighter than it supposed to be. When Alabamagod described Elaina about being Liar etc. I laughed because I already knew that the description is really true. I remember in the LN where Elaina act as a fortune teller to scam people. I was hoping they animate that too, she helped the King about the inflation in his country but she's not really heroic in that chapter because she don't hold back when the King asked what to reward and the action she made prior to that so maybe that's why they skipped that. That's what I like about Elaina too, her being true witch. And I understand that it might cause misunderstanding if you describe Elaina with these traits that it sounds like trashtalking her but it's true especially when you read the LN and in her perspective.

About OP's post I suppose they have similarities but we don't know if she's based to Max Stirner. But thanks to you I've learned something that I don't know yet. I thought that Elaina is a realist because she doesn't want to be in trouble like what she promised to her mother and she knows what she's capable. But I supposed it's different. I thought that being a realist is you know that not anything goes well and not something people do don't have anything in return. I believe too that people act to their self-interest but I think it's okay to act with or without that as long as it's not the intention of hurting someone. Also, I believe that helping someone because you want is okay but, this may sound contradicting to what I just said, I reject the idea of helping someone because you afraid of going to hell.

Deruin said:
The director really nerfed Elaina's character in the Anime. They tried to make it lighter than it supposed to be. When Alabamagod described Elaina about being Liar etc. I laughed because I already knew that the description is really true. I remember in the LN where Elaina act as a fortune teller to scam people. I was hoping they animate that too, she helped the King about the inflation in his country but she's not really heroic in that chapter because she don't hold back when the King asked what to reward and the action she made prior to that so maybe that's why they skipped that. That's what I like about Elaina too, her being true witch. And I understand that it might cause misunderstanding if you describe Elaina with these traits that it sounds like trashtalking her but it's true especially when you read the LN and in her perspective.

About OP's post I suppose they have similarities but we don't know if she's based to Max Stirner. But thanks to you I've learned something that I don't know yet. I thought that Elaina is a realist because she doesn't want to be in trouble like what she promised to her mother and she knows what she's capable. But I supposed it's different. I thought that being a realist is you know that not anything goes well and not something people do don't have anything in return. I believe too that people act to their self-interest but I think it's okay to act with or without that as long as it's not the intention of hurting someone. Also, I believe that helping someone because you want is okay but, this may sound contradicting to what I just said, I reject the idea of helping someone because you afraid of going to hell.

Neostorm-X said:



how is she a Narcissist?
also twitter users are usually self hating, not Narcissist, she doesn't even only think about herself though, she simply doesn't care about spooks, or social norms.

Piromysl said:


Bruh, hints are all over the place throughout the series, most notably her saying "My heart is pure" unironically, despite straight up vile shit she was doing.
In the final episode she literally committed selfcest, which makes this so damn obvious.

Neostorm-X said:


Eh i disagree, she does not have delusions of grandeur, thats one of the key symptoms of a narcissist.
She likes herself but that doesn’t automatically make her a narcissist,
Imo some one like light yagami is a narc, since he constantly sees himself as a god who should rule over people and who gets to decide who lives and who doesnt.

Your definition of a narc is different than the medical diagnosis, elaina is an egoist not a narcissist. Everyone is inherently an egoist but some people embrace it more, she doesn't force her views on other people and does not enjoy manipulating other people like narcissists do, instead keeping to herself unless she gets pulled into something. She also has an open mind to different religions and world views, and doesn't take anything seriously, opposite of a narcissist.
Narcissists also constantly seek validation from other people and seek for others to like them, while elaina is mostly indifferent, she loves herself but doesnt need others to also obsess over her,
But in this aspect she does have parts where she falls short in, although this is not enough to diagnose some one as a narcissist

Piromysl said:

That's literally what narcissist is wtf

Neostorm-X said:

No? are you are moron, look up the term.
I went over this before in psychology courses, thats exactly what a narcissist is.
You would be stupid if you think anyone who cares about themselves as a narcissist, then everyone is a narcissist.

Thats like saying “you earn money? Well you are fucking greedy” most retarded argument i hear.

Neostorm-X said:

No? are you are moron, look up the term.
I went over this before in psychology courses, thats exactly what a narcissist is.
You would be stupid if you think anyone who cares about themselves as a narcissist, then everyone is a narcissist.

Thats like saying “you earn money? Well you are fucking greedy” most retarded argument i hear.

Deruin said:


Let him be OP. He doesn't understand or trying to understand what you're explaining.

Piromysl said:

Bro literally went through emotional 🤓 moment, trying to convince others that he went through some "courses" and Elaina literally got laid with alternate version of herself amongst other things, yet apparently she still is NOT narcissist.
How the hell am I supposed to take him seriously?

Deruin said:


Well if you read the explanation of the OP and the replies on this thread then OP is quite right on some things. Well I can't blame you if it's too long to read. But regarding to what you just about Elaina describing herself "My heart is pure" this is what we're talking about how the anime changes what's really in the LN. Elaina didn't describe herself as pure hearted. In the LN she actually wrote "I'm a man" not "My heart is pure".

It is easy to misunderstood the character if you don't know their POV. The LN can provide the character's POV especially their internal monologue in which the anime can't provide.

If you still disagree then let's agree to disagree.

Piromysl said:

Bro, anime literally changed this line to make her narcissism much more obvious.
Anyone who watched this show would notice that as well.

Deruin said:


LN reader beg to differ. But yeah let's agree to disagree.

Piromysl said:

We are talking about anime here. And that line was quite literally changed for a reason.

Piromysl said:

Bro, anime literally changed this line to make her narcissism much more obvious.
Anyone who watched this show would notice that as well.

Deruin said:


Sounds fair. I treat Anime Elaina as different character to LN Elaina. Well that's just me.

Neostorm-X said:


thanks for proving you are under 18 by using the 🤓 emoji.
its like you came right from tiktok.

and also no shit I would get a bit annoyed at you when you completely ignore everything i wrote and just go like
"no ur wrong"

i've seen many people like you on places like reddit and twitter, ones who just bring up, "ha ha, look at this man getting mad, hahah I win ur wrong and I better leave before you get emotional and criiii"
then acting as if using some emoji would give your opinion any validation lmao. you only make yourself look more like an idiot.


like escanor would say, "why would I get angry at some one as pathetic like you? I only feel pity"