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May 28, 2022 1:34 PM
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I was really hyped for a new Production IG sports anime, the trailer and synopsis were cool and overall looked very promising.
BUT, after watching all 8 eps out rn I just don't see the hype anymore. The main character is extremely obnoxious, selfish and annoying, the pacing feels crazy slow and it seems like the writer is trying to force a romantic relationship down my throat between Aoi and Hana.
I read the discussions and it seems like everyone is enjoying it, am I just complaining or are these actual flaws in the show?
May 28, 2022 1:55 PM
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nah, what you’re saying is how i feel but the only reason why i’m sticking with it for now is because it’s giving me Sakamura Diamond No Ace vibes as he was obnoxious and hard to watch at the beginning.

But i feel the whole “is actually amazing at the sport just has trouble reaching potential” trope is unbearable in sports anime

I reckon you should give Diamond no Ace a watch, in my top 3 sports anime & is lengthy enough to enjoy your fill
May 28, 2022 4:12 PM
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Honestly I kind of feel the same I could barely watch the last episode when he kept trying and failing and expecting the team to keep passing to him. The last few episodes have made me apprehensive as to what they plan to do with the main character.
May 28, 2022 4:31 PM
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eyris_ said:
I was really hyped for a new Production IG sports anime, the trailer and synopsis were cool and overall looked very promising.
BUT, after watching all 8 eps out rn I just don't see the hype anymore. The main character is extremely obnoxious, selfish and annoying, the pacing feels crazy slow and it seems like the writer is trying to force a romantic relationship down my throat between Aoi and Hana.
I read the discussions and it seems like everyone is enjoying it, am I just complaining or are these actual flaws in the show?

I understand what you mean but keep watching he gets a massive character development
May 28, 2022 6:27 PM
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I like most things about this anime but the main character is so annoying. I wish he’d just shut up. I keep watching it because I hope for some character development.
May 28, 2022 8:04 PM
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eyris_ said:
I was really hyped for a new Production IG sports anime, the trailer and synopsis were cool and overall looked very promising.
BUT, after watching all 8 eps out rn I just don't see the hype anymore. The main character is extremely obnoxious, selfish and annoying, the pacing feels crazy slow and it seems like the writer is trying to force a romantic relationship down my throat between Aoi and Hana.
I read the discussions and it seems like everyone is enjoying it, am I just complaining or are these actual flaws in the show?

Not everyone dislikes those qualities๐Ÿ˜‚
Ej์‚ฌ๋งˆ
May 28, 2022 8:09 PM
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Its just generic.
May 28, 2022 8:50 PM
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There will be some great developments. Just continue
May 28, 2022 9:24 PM
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eyris_ said:
I was really hyped for a new Production IG sports anime, the trailer and synopsis were cool and overall looked very promising.
BUT, after watching all 8 eps out rn I just don't see the hype anymore. The main character is extremely obnoxious, selfish and annoying, the pacing feels crazy slow and it seems like the writer is trying to force a romantic relationship down my throat between Aoi and Hana.
I read the discussions and it seems like everyone is enjoying it, am I just complaining or are these actual flaws in the show?

if you're expecting the show has many match played and hype match in this season then this show is not like that. they are being slow is because they focused in technical side of the mc first. the author is focused to showcase how harsh it is the competition in youth league to be consistently playing in the first team, so expect many struggle that the mc will face. the first official match most likely will be adapted in last episode or last 3/4 episode if they have 20+ episode total.

it makes sense why this series is in seinen category.
May 28, 2022 9:35 PM

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PageCyx said:
nah, what you’re saying is how i feel but the only reason why i’m sticking with it for now is because it’s giving me Sakamura Diamond No Ace vibes as he was obnoxious and hard to watch at the beginning.

But i feel the whole “is actually amazing at the sport just has trouble reaching potential” trope is unbearable in sports anime

I reckon you should give Diamond no Ace a watch, in my top 3 sports anime & is lengthy enough to enjoy your fill


You mean "Sawamura"? ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
May 28, 2022 10:07 PM
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basically your 3 complaint are
1. Mc
2. Romance
3. Pacing

Honestly I find it weird ppl still complaint about him this eps. Pls compare him in ep 1 to 8
-from "I'm the tactics" to "Pls teach me how to play football"
-from headbutt someone to hold his anger
-from mindless over energetic before match to take some times alone to focus
etc

Just from that alone is already tell what kind of show is this. I've watch and read a lot of sports animanga and Aoi is still my all time fav sports MC.

About the romance. You should specify why you think it's forced. Because Hana is genuinely good girl? unlike many problematic anime girl? Idk man, even rn she doesn't love him. She just see him similar to his brother. She can't help his brother when he got injured so she helps Aoi to felt better. Like she said, she helps him for herself. Also, she's an important character in this series, even more important that some of the players. Unlike other female sport character, Hana can't be removed from the story, she plays a major role, not just some random manager girl.

About slow pace, it's just a preference. Some ppl said it's a generic sports, but generic sports will have a nonstop match after match after match, team intro, rival, teamwork friendship, etc. If you want that type of blind action, then this is just not it. This series is much more in depth with character and football aspect than repetitive fun match. Also this is a seinen btw, you should already picture this just from the fact that it's seinen.

Just to let you know, there's around 300 chapters of the manga currently and there's only 4 proper football match + 3 "fun" match. Rn the main story hasn't even started. And I really mean it istg. The league season hasn't started, they haven't even played as a team, Aoi hasn't found his gameplay, Fukuda hasn't show any coaching, team A hasn't introduced(minus Akutsu and Yuuma), strong enemy team hasn't introduced, Esperion main formation and gameplay hasn't explained, majority of other players haven't showed their type of gameplay as well, etc.

If you hate slow pacing that much, just dropped it. But here's the thing, who tf watch 8 eps of OP, Bleach, or Gintama and thought, that's the best series oat?. You'll just missing out the best football manga and one of the best Mc of all time imo. Football manga with the most in depth in football tactic, career, and character development. The most football manga basically. I personally rate the manga 10/10.

Lastly, for me,

slow grind+realistic+not one dimensional+informative>fast paced character dump nonstop action match

tactic vs tactic>player vs player

real sports tactic>fictional anime ability
May 28, 2022 10:24 PM
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Just say pacing Ao Ashi is slow that all if u cant. Just drop and wait to watch blue lock
May 29, 2022 6:05 AM
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Getsug_a said:
PageCyx said:
nah, what you’re saying is how i feel but the only reason why i’m sticking with it for now is because it’s giving me Sakamura Diamond No Ace vibes as he was obnoxious and hard to watch at the beginning.

But i feel the whole “is actually amazing at the sport just has trouble reaching potential” trope is unbearable in sports anime

I reckon you should give Diamond no Ace a watch, in my top 3 sports anime & is lengthy enough to enjoy your fill


You mean "Sawamura"? ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
oh no huge mistake.
May 29, 2022 7:06 AM

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PageCyx said:
Getsug_a said:


You mean "Sawamura"? ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
oh no huge mistake.

A blunder of life.
May 29, 2022 8:19 AM

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And that's what makes it good, his selfishness potrayed as, well, selfishness and something that must be overcome. Its also something that came about due to the type of team he's been playing with where the gameplay revolved solely around him. This is what caused him to be selfish and expect the ball to always come to him instead of just being a trait written by the author. Over the course of the anime, he's slowly trying to improve himself, with just the latest episode itself having him ask the coach that deemed him a failure for help.

eyris_ said:
it seems like the writer is trying to force a romantic relationship down my throat between Aoi and Hana.

Its your own delusion that the writer is "forcing" anything down your throat.




May 29, 2022 12:50 PM

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thanks for putting it in words for me.
May 29, 2022 1:51 PM

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Ok, now i wanna read the manga ! :D
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May 29, 2022 2:03 PM

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nabewry said:
basically your 3 complaint are
1. Mc
2. Romance
3. Pacing

Honestly I find it weird ppl still complaint about him this eps. Pls compare him in ep 1 to 8
-from "I'm the tactics" to "Pls teach me how to play football"
-from headbutt someone to hold his anger
-from mindless over energetic before match to take some times alone to focus
etc

Just from that alone is already tell what kind of show is this. I've watch and read a lot of sports animanga and Aoi is still my all time fav sports MC.

About the romance. You should specify why you think it's forced. Because Hana is genuinely good girl? unlike many problematic anime girl? Idk man, even rn she doesn't love him. She just see him similar to his brother. She can't help his brother when he got injured so she helps Aoi to felt better. Like she said, she helps him for herself. Also, she's an important character in this series, even more important that some of the players. Unlike other female sport character, Hana can't be removed from the story, she plays a major role, not just some random manager girl.

About slow pace, it's just a preference. Some ppl said it's a generic sports, but generic sports will have a nonstop match after match after match, team intro, rival, teamwork friendship, etc. If you want that type of blind action, then this is just not it. This series is much more in depth with character and football aspect than repetitive fun match. Also this is a seinen btw, you should already picture this just from the fact that it's seinen.

Just to let you know, there's around 300 chapters of the manga currently and there's only 4 proper football match + 3 "fun" match. Rn the main story hasn't even started. And I really mean it istg. The league season hasn't started, they haven't even played as a team, Aoi hasn't found his gameplay, Fukuda hasn't show any coaching, team A hasn't introduced(minus Akutsu and Yuuma), strong enemy team hasn't introduced, Esperion main formation and gameplay hasn't explained, majority of other players haven't showed their type of gameplay as well, etc.

If you hate slow pacing that much, just dropped it. But here's the thing, who tf watch 8 eps of OP, Bleach, or Gintama and thought, that's the best series oat?. You'll just missing out the best football manga and one of the best Mc of all time imo. Football manga with the most in depth in football tactic, career, and character development. The most football manga basically. I personally rate the manga 10/10.

Lastly, for me,

slow grind+realistic+not one dimensional+informative>fast paced character dump nonstop action match

tactic vs tactic>player vs player

real sports tactic>fictional anime ability
I was just about to go on a rant but what you've written are my thoughts exactly. There's already a mini chaacter development developing in Aoi where he's being more humble and realizes that he needs to learn the basics of football before being on the level of his team mates. I don't see how the romance is being "forced down our throats" either. I like that this anime is taking its time and being heavily tactic based. I feel like many sports anime have gotten popular for the wrong reasons and i'm happy that there's an anime that shows the realism of sports and just football to be specific. My only issue is that Production I.G might not give us a second season. I'm still waiting for Ace of the Diamond 4th season as well.


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May 29, 2022 2:21 PM

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Aoi seems like an unlikable character so far but not in an obnoxious way. He at least has some sense to realize his own flaws. The thing that bothered me in the anime lately is how dismissive the coaches are, when it's their job to teach the players what they lack. That's why Hana's defensive speech also seems a bit out of place and thus forced. But I do hope that we'll get a decent character development later on. If he's anything like Sawamura then it should be worth waiting.
May 31, 2022 3:21 AM

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Ten said:
Aoi seems like an unlikable character so far but not in an obnoxious way. He at least has some sense to realize his own flaws. The thing that bothered me in the anime lately is how dismissive the coaches are, when it's their job to teach the players what they lack. That's why Hana's defensive speech also seems a bit out of place and thus forced. But I do hope that we'll get a decent character development later on. If he's anything like Sawamura then it should be worth waiting.

Tbf the coaches have so much other players to coach, count in they have to decide who goes to A team who gets promoted. It becomes more of a hassle if they are forced to focus on only one player when there are many others that need help.
May 31, 2022 10:40 PM

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I've enjoyed it for what it has been so far--a standard sports anime.
Jun 1, 2022 9:54 PM
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Tbh you're just compaling, you need to relax and finish the show so you can rate it in its entirety
Jun 3, 2022 11:11 AM
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samsince04 said:
nabewry said:
basically your 3 complaint are
1. Mc
2. Romance
3. Pacing

Honestly I find it weird ppl still complaint about him this eps. Pls compare him in ep 1 to 8
-from "I'm the tactics" to "Pls teach me how to play football"
-from headbutt someone to hold his anger
-from mindless over energetic before match to take some times alone to focus
etc

Just from that alone is already tell what kind of show is this. I've watch and read a lot of sports animanga and Aoi is still my all time fav sports MC.

About the romance. You should specify why you think it's forced. Because Hana is genuinely good girl? unlike many problematic anime girl? Idk man, even rn she doesn't love him. She just see him similar to his brother. She can't help his brother when he got injured so she helps Aoi to felt better. Like she said, she helps him for herself. Also, she's an important character in this series, even more important that some of the players. Unlike other female sport character, Hana can't be removed from the story, she plays a major role, not just some random manager girl.

About slow pace, it's just a preference. Some ppl said it's a generic sports, but generic sports will have a nonstop match after match after match, team intro, rival, teamwork friendship, etc. If you want that type of blind action, then this is just not it. This series is much more in depth with character and football aspect than repetitive fun match. Also this is a seinen btw, you should already picture this just from the fact that it's seinen.

Just to let you know, there's around 300 chapters of the manga currently and there's only 4 proper football match + 3 "fun" match. Rn the main story hasn't even started. And I really mean it istg. The league season hasn't started, they haven't even played as a team, Aoi hasn't found his gameplay, Fukuda hasn't show any coaching, team A hasn't introduced(minus Akutsu and Yuuma), strong enemy team hasn't introduced, Esperion main formation and gameplay hasn't explained, majority of other players haven't showed their type of gameplay as well, etc.

If you hate slow pacing that much, just dropped it. But here's the thing, who tf watch 8 eps of OP, Bleach, or Gintama and thought, that's the best series oat?. You'll just missing out the best football manga and one of the best Mc of all time imo. Football manga with the most in depth in football tactic, career, and character development. The most football manga basically. I personally rate the manga 10/10.

Lastly, for me,

slow grind+realistic+not one dimensional+informative>fast paced character dump nonstop action match

tactic vs tactic>player vs player

real sports tactic>fictional anime ability
I was just about to go on a rant but what you've written are my thoughts exactly. There's already a mini chaacter development developing in Aoi where he's being more humble and realizes that he needs to learn the basics of football before being on the level of his team mates. I don't see how the romance is being "forced down our throats" either. I like that this anime is taking its time and being heavily tactic based. I feel like many sports anime have gotten popular for the wrong reasons and i'm happy that there's an anime that shows the realism of sports and just football to be specific. My only issue is that Production I.G might not give us a second season. I'm still waiting for Ace of the Diamond 4th season as well.
70% has more season. I.G boost manga sale good
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nabewry said:
basically your 3 complaint are
1. Mc
2. Romance
3. Pacing

Honestly I find it weird ppl still complaint about him this eps. Pls compare him in ep 1 to 8
-from "I'm the tactics" to "Pls teach me how to play football"
-from headbutt someone to hold his anger
-from mindless over energetic before match to take some times alone to focus
etc

Just from that alone is already tell what kind of show is this. I've watch and read a lot of sports animanga and Aoi is still my all time fav sports MC.

About the romance. You should specify why you think it's forced. Because Hana is genuinely good girl? unlike many problematic anime girl? Idk man, even rn she doesn't love him. She just see him similar to his brother. She can't help his brother when he got injured so she helps Aoi to felt better. Like she said, she helps him for herself. Also, she's an important character in this series, even more important that some of the players. Unlike other female sport character, Hana can't be removed from the story, she plays a major role, not just some random manager girl.

About slow pace, it's just a preference. Some ppl said it's a generic sports, but generic sports will have a nonstop match after match after match, team intro, rival, teamwork friendship, etc. If you want that type of blind action, then this is just not it. This series is much more in depth with character and football aspect than repetitive fun match. Also this is a seinen btw, you should already picture this just from the fact that it's seinen.

Just to let you know, there's around 300 chapters of the manga currently and there's only 4 proper football match + 3 "fun" match. Rn the main story hasn't even started. And I really mean it istg. The league season hasn't started, they haven't even played as a team, Aoi hasn't found his gameplay, Fukuda hasn't show any coaching, team A hasn't introduced(minus Akutsu and Yuuma), strong enemy team hasn't introduced, Esperion main formation and gameplay hasn't explained, majority of other players haven't showed their type of gameplay as well, etc.

If you hate slow pacing that much, just dropped it. But here's the thing, who tf watch 8 eps of OP, Bleach, or Gintama and thought, that's the best series oat?. You'll just missing out the best football manga and one of the best Mc of all time imo. Football manga with the most in depth in football tactic, career, and character development. The most football manga basically. I personally rate the manga 10/10.

Lastly, for me,

slow grind+realistic+not one dimensional+informative>fast paced character dump nonstop action match

tactic vs tactic>player vs player

real sports tactic>fictional anime ability


Thanks for sharing
Jun 4, 2022 10:39 AM

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eyris_ said:
I was really hyped for a new Production IG sports anime, the trailer and synopsis were cool and overall looked very promising.
BUT, after watching all 8 eps out rn I just don't see the hype anymore. The main character is extremely obnoxious, selfish and annoying, the pacing feels crazy slow and it seems like the writer is trying to force a romantic relationship down my throat between Aoi and Hana.
I read the discussions and it seems like everyone is enjoying it, am I just complaining or are these actual flaws in the show?

It is all your opinion. This show is amazing!!
Jun 9, 2022 6:11 PM
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Lol go watch Blue Lock.
1. They playing match every day, u dont have to understand football bcz everyone are striker.
2. Fck with tactic and basic football bcz every player can become proper CB.
3. Every OP can dribble so fast and just have stupidly acrobatic shoot.
Jun 10, 2022 8:36 PM

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nabewry said:
basically your 3 complaint are
1. Mc
2. Romance
3. Pacing

Honestly I find it weird ppl still complaint about him this eps. Pls compare him in ep 1 to 8
-from "I'm the tactics" to "Pls teach me how to play football"
-from headbutt someone to hold his anger
-from mindless over energetic before match to take some times alone to focus
etc

Just from that alone is already tell what kind of show is this. I've watch and read a lot of sports animanga and Aoi is still my all time fav sports MC.

About the romance. You should specify why you think it's forced. Because Hana is genuinely good girl? unlike many problematic anime girl? Idk man, even rn she doesn't love him. She just see him similar to his brother. She can't help his brother when he got injured so she helps Aoi to felt better. Like she said, she helps him for herself. Also, she's an important character in this series, even more important that some of the players. Unlike other female sport character, Hana can't be removed from the story, she plays a major role, not just some random manager girl.

About slow pace, it's just a preference. Some ppl said it's a generic sports, but generic sports will have a nonstop match after match after match, team intro, rival, teamwork friendship, etc. If you want that type of blind action, then this is just not it. This series is much more in depth with character and football aspect than repetitive fun match. Also this is a seinen btw, you should already picture this just from the fact that it's seinen.

Just to let you know, there's around 300 chapters of the manga currently and there's only 4 proper football match + 3 "fun" match. Rn the main story hasn't even started. And I really mean it istg. The league season hasn't started, they haven't even played as a team, Aoi hasn't found his gameplay, Fukuda hasn't show any coaching, team A hasn't introduced(minus Akutsu and Yuuma), strong enemy team hasn't introduced, Esperion main formation and gameplay hasn't explained, majority of other players haven't showed their type of gameplay as well, etc.

If you hate slow pacing that much, just dropped it. But here's the thing, who tf watch 8 eps of OP, Bleach, or Gintama and thought, that's the best series oat?. You'll just missing out the best football manga and one of the best Mc of all time imo. Football manga with the most in depth in football tactic, career, and character development. The most football manga basically. I personally rate the manga 10/10.

Lastly, for me,

slow grind+realistic+not one dimensional+informative>fast paced character dump nonstop action match

tactic vs tactic>player vs player

real sports tactic>fictional anime ability


The best answer here. Ao Ashi is a constant journey of learning about football. Every episode broadens Aoi's views about football. Anime fans are spoiled with characters that have superhuman ability that exceeds even pro players in real life. This show is a reality check for anime nerds on what is the real hurdles and struggles of an athlete, a football player.
“You should enjoy the little detours to the fullest. Because that's where you'll find the things more important than what you want.”
Jun 11, 2022 3:29 AM

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Reed_of_PC said:
Lol go watch Blue Lock.
1. They playing match every day, u dont have to understand football bcz everyone are striker.
2. Fck with tactic and basic football bcz every player can become proper CB.
3. Every OP can dribble so fast and just have stupidly acrobatic shoot.

Yes, Blue Lock is also good football manga and anime series, I agree.
KyouKaiTen said:
nabewry said:
basically your 3 complaint are
1. Mc
2. Romance
3. Pacing

Honestly I find it weird ppl still complaint about him this eps. Pls compare him in ep 1 to 8
-from "I'm the tactics" to "Pls teach me how to play football"
-from headbutt someone to hold his anger
-from mindless over energetic before match to take some times alone to focus
etc

Just from that alone is already tell what kind of show is this. I've watch and read a lot of sports animanga and Aoi is still my all time fav sports MC.

About the romance. You should specify why you think it's forced. Because Hana is genuinely good girl? unlike many problematic anime girl? Idk man, even rn she doesn't love him. She just see him similar to his brother. She can't help his brother when he got injured so she helps Aoi to felt better. Like she said, she helps him for herself. Also, she's an important character in this series, even more important that some of the players. Unlike other female sport character, Hana can't be removed from the story, she plays a major role, not just some random manager girl.

About slow pace, it's just a preference. Some ppl said it's a generic sports, but generic sports will have a nonstop match after match after match, team intro, rival, teamwork friendship, etc. If you want that type of blind action, then this is just not it. This series is much more in depth with character and football aspect than repetitive fun match. Also this is a seinen btw, you should already picture this just from the fact that it's seinen.

Just to let you know, there's around 300 chapters of the manga currently and there's only 4 proper football match + 3 "fun" match. Rn the main story hasn't even started. And I really mean it istg. The league season hasn't started, they haven't even played as a team, Aoi hasn't found his gameplay, Fukuda hasn't show any coaching, team A hasn't introduced(minus Akutsu and Yuuma), strong enemy team hasn't introduced, Esperion main formation and gameplay hasn't explained, majority of other players haven't showed their type of gameplay as well, etc.

If you hate slow pacing that much, just dropped it. But here's the thing, who tf watch 8 eps of OP, Bleach, or Gintama and thought, that's the best series oat?. You'll just missing out the best football manga and one of the best Mc of all time imo. Football manga with the most in depth in football tactic, career, and character development. The most football manga basically. I personally rate the manga 10/10.

Lastly, for me,

slow grind+realistic+not one dimensional+informative>fast paced character dump nonstop action match

tactic vs tactic>player vs player

real sports tactic>fictional anime ability


The best answer here. Ao Ashi is a constant journey of learning about football. Every episode broadens Aoi's views about football. Anime fans are spoiled with characters that have superhuman ability that exceeds even pro players in real life. This show is a reality check for anime nerds on what is the real hurdles and struggles of an athlete, a football player.

Agree. We learn with Aoi every episode about how to plat football. It is an amazing experience and journey to unknown!!
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Reed_of_PC said:
Lol go watch Blue Lock.
1. They playing match every day, u dont have to understand football bcz everyone are striker.
2. Fck with tactic and basic football bcz every player can become proper CB.
3. Every OP can dribble so fast and just have stupidly acrobatic shoot.


Tbh, the consequence of not making the cut in blue lock is just so ridiculous to me. If you can't play for Japan, you can always get a passport or be a dual citizen of another country to play for another national team. Secondly, not having an out-and-out striker is not that big of a loss depending on the tactics emplyed by the manager of a team. Spain even won the European championship without a striker (Cesc Fabregas' role was to drop deep to receive the ball from the midfield or draw out the defenders from his other teammates). Imo, blue lock may have been more interesting if they also included midfielders, defenders and goalkeepers in their program.
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nabewry said:
basically your 3 complaint are
1. Mc
2. Romance
3. Pacing

Honestly I find it weird ppl still complaint about him this eps. Pls compare him in ep 1 to 8
-from "I'm the tactics" to "Pls teach me how to play football"
-from headbutt someone to hold his anger
-from mindless over energetic before match to take some times alone to focus
etc

Just from that alone is already tell what kind of show is this. I've watch and read a lot of sports animanga and Aoi is still my all time fav sports MC.

About the romance. You should specify why you think it's forced. Because Hana is genuinely good girl? unlike many problematic anime girl? Idk man, even rn she doesn't love him. She just see him similar to his brother. She can't help his brother when he got injured so she helps Aoi to felt better. Like she said, she helps him for herself. Also, she's an important character in this series, even more important that some of the players. Unlike other female sport character, Hana can't be removed from the story, she plays a major role, not just some random manager girl.

About slow pace, it's just a preference. Some ppl said it's a generic sports, but generic sports will have a nonstop match after match after match, team intro, rival, teamwork friendship, etc. If you want that type of blind action, then this is just not it. This series is much more in depth with character and football aspect than repetitive fun match. Also this is a seinen btw, you should already picture this just from the fact that it's seinen.

Just to let you know, there's around 300 chapters of the manga currently and there's only 4 proper football match + 3 "fun" match. Rn the main story hasn't even started. And I really mean it istg. The league season hasn't started, they haven't even played as a team, Aoi hasn't found his gameplay, Fukuda hasn't show any coaching, team A hasn't introduced(minus Akutsu and Yuuma), strong enemy team hasn't introduced, Esperion main formation and gameplay hasn't explained, majority of other players haven't showed their type of gameplay as well, etc.

If you hate slow pacing that much, just dropped it. But here's the thing, who tf watch 8 eps of OP, Bleach, or Gintama and thought, that's the best series oat?. You'll just missing out the best football manga and one of the best Mc of all time imo. Football manga with the most in depth in football tactic, career, and character development. The most football manga basically. I personally rate the manga 10/10.

Lastly, for me,

slow grind+realistic+not one dimensional+informative>fast paced character dump nonstop action match

tactic vs tactic>player vs player

real sports tactic>fictional anime ability


Tbh, these people who're not patient enough to wait for Ashito to become better are gonna miss out a lot. I've read the manga's latest chapter ansld all I can say is that Ashito deserve where he stands on the latest chapter.
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I believe the main reason Aoi seems annoying is because of the seiyuu, a total miscast for me. We hear a lot of his inner dialogues but the seiyuu does not really have an appealing voice that make you want to hear him.

For example Tanjiro from Demon Slayer has a great soothing voice, which make his inner dialogue pretty nice to the ear.

Ofc Tanjiro's seiyuu would not fit Aoi because personality is too different, but the current one is not good enough.

Though that is just my personal opinion.
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Its funny how y'all want characters to be fully formed and developed right away and don't give them time to change and growth ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
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Dukino said:
Its funny how y'all want characters to be fully formed and developed right away and don't give them time to change and growth ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

Is 8 episodes not enough time? I'm not a big fan of long-running series I get bored very quickly, and with Ao Ashi specifically, I feel like it is taking longer than expected just to put some stakes on the line and hook me on a goal or an objective worth waiting for...

Ao barely has any potential as a soccer player, with his selfishness there's absolutely no way he's making it onto the team during tryouts, especially in the J Youth League, he is very weak, slow, and out of shape and is constantly outshined by every other player, there's literally no reason for the coaches to pick him.

Look I'm not a manga reader so I don't know what he's actually capable of but so far it seems like his luck and his luck only is what got him a position on the team.
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nabewry said:
basically your 3 complaint are
1. Mc
2. Romance
3. Pacing

Honestly I find it weird ppl still complaint about him this eps. Pls compare him in ep 1 to 8
-from "I'm the tactics" to "Pls teach me how to play football"
-from headbutt someone to hold his anger
-from mindless over energetic before match to take some times alone to focus
etc

Just from that alone is already tell what kind of show is this. I've watch and read a lot of sports animanga and Aoi is still my all time fav sports MC.

About the romance. You should specify why you think it's forced. Because Hana is genuinely good girl? unlike many problematic anime girl? Idk man, even rn she doesn't love him. She just see him similar to his brother. She can't help his brother when he got injured so she helps Aoi to felt better. Like she said, she helps him for herself. Also, she's an important character in this series, even more important that some of the players. Unlike other female sport character, Hana can't be removed from the story, she plays a major role, not just some random manager girl.

About slow pace, it's just a preference. Some ppl said it's a generic sports, but generic sports will have a nonstop match after match after match, team intro, rival, teamwork friendship, etc. If you want that type of blind action, then this is just not it. This series is much more in depth with character and football aspect than repetitive fun match. Also this is a seinen btw, you should already picture this just from the fact that it's seinen.

Just to let you know, there's around 300 chapters of the manga currently and there's only 4 proper football match + 3 "fun" match. Rn the main story hasn't even started. And I really mean it istg. The league season hasn't started, they haven't even played as a team, Aoi hasn't found his gameplay, Fukuda hasn't show any coaching, team A hasn't introduced(minus Akutsu and Yuuma), strong enemy team hasn't introduced, Esperion main formation and gameplay hasn't explained, majority of other players haven't showed their type of gameplay as well, etc.

If you hate slow pacing that much, just dropped it. But here's the thing, who tf watch 8 eps of OP, Bleach, or Gintama and thought, that's the best series oat?. You'll just missing out the best football manga and one of the best Mc of all time imo. Football manga with the most in depth in football tactic, career, and character development. The most football manga basically. I personally rate the manga 10/10.

Lastly, for me,

slow grind+realistic+not one dimensional+informative>fast paced character dump nonstop action match

tactic vs tactic>player vs player

real sports tactic>fictional anime ability

I actually don't think it's as generic as people claim it is, I like the fact that it delves deeper into tactical and strategic play, which is, in my opinion, its strongest AND weakest point combined with the slow pacing. Going into details would obviously take longer and slow the pacing down in any kind of scenario, but it doesn't have to be this boring and sleep-inducing!!

As for "realism" the MC shouldn't have made it onto the team in the first place, here's my take on this:
eyris_ said:
Dukino said:
Its funny how y'all want characters to be fully formed and developed right away and don't give them time to change and growth ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

Is 8 episodes not enough time? I'm not a big fan of long-running series I get bored very quickly, and with Ao Ashi specifically, I feel like it is taking longer than expected just to put some stakes on the line and hook me on a goal or an objective worth waiting for...

Ao barely has any potential as a soccer player, with his selfishness there's absolutely no way he's making it onto the team during tryouts, especially in the J Youth League, he is very weak, slow, and out of shape and is constantly outshined by every other player, there's literally no reason for the coaches to pick him.

Look I'm not a manga reader so I don't know what he's actually capable of but so far it seems like his luck and his luck only is what got him a position on the team.


I am not a fan of long-running slow-paced shows at all, I need something interesting to be happening constantly, and that's exactly why I haven't started any of the 3 shows you mentioned. I guess this show is just not for me...

About romance, yes Hana is a good girl, very good in fact I would say that she would be a great partner to Ao and seems like a genuine girl who actually cares and wants to help him. my small complaint is that I feel like their relationship was forced too soon, literally on the second episode with all the blushing and "love at first sight" stuff.

gg
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eyris_ said:
nabewry said:
basically your 3 complaint are
1. Mc
2. Romance
3. Pacing

Honestly I find it weird ppl still complaint about him this eps. Pls compare him in ep 1 to 8
-from "I'm the tactics" to "Pls teach me how to play football"
-from headbutt someone to hold his anger
-from mindless over energetic before match to take some times alone to focus
etc

Just from that alone is already tell what kind of show is this. I've watch and read a lot of sports animanga and Aoi is still my all time fav sports MC.

About the romance. You should specify why you think it's forced. Because Hana is genuinely good girl? unlike many problematic anime girl? Idk man, even rn she doesn't love him. She just see him similar to his brother. She can't help his brother when he got injured so she helps Aoi to felt better. Like she said, she helps him for herself. Also, she's an important character in this series, even more important that some of the players. Unlike other female sport character, Hana can't be removed from the story, she plays a major role, not just some random manager girl.

About slow pace, it's just a preference. Some ppl said it's a generic sports, but generic sports will have a nonstop match after match after match, team intro, rival, teamwork friendship, etc. If you want that type of blind action, then this is just not it. This series is much more in depth with character and football aspect than repetitive fun match. Also this is a seinen btw, you should already picture this just from the fact that it's seinen.

Just to let you know, there's around 300 chapters of the manga currently and there's only 4 proper football match + 3 "fun" match. Rn the main story hasn't even started. And I really mean it istg. The league season hasn't started, they haven't even played as a team, Aoi hasn't found his gameplay, Fukuda hasn't show any coaching, team A hasn't introduced(minus Akutsu and Yuuma), strong enemy team hasn't introduced, Esperion main formation and gameplay hasn't explained, majority of other players haven't showed their type of gameplay as well, etc.

If you hate slow pacing that much, just dropped it. But here's the thing, who tf watch 8 eps of OP, Bleach, or Gintama and thought, that's the best series oat?. You'll just missing out the best football manga and one of the best Mc of all time imo. Football manga with the most in depth in football tactic, career, and character development. The most football manga basically. I personally rate the manga 10/10.

Lastly, for me,

slow grind+realistic+not one dimensional+informative>fast paced character dump nonstop action match

tactic vs tactic>player vs player

real sports tactic>fictional anime ability

I actually don't think it's as generic as people claim it is, I like the fact that it delves deeper into tactical and strategic play, which is, in my opinion, its strongest AND weakest point combined with the slow pacing. Going into details would obviously take longer and slow the pacing down in any kind of scenario, but it doesn't have to be this boring and sleep-inducing!!

As for "realism" the MC shouldn't have made it onto the team in the first place, here's my take on this:
eyris_ said:

Is 8 episodes not enough time? I'm not a big fan of long-running series I get bored very quickly, and with Ao Ashi specifically, I feel like it is taking longer than expected just to put some stakes on the line and hook me on a goal or an objective worth waiting for...

Ao barely has any potential as a soccer player, with his selfishness there's absolutely no way he's making it onto the team during tryouts, especially in the J Youth League, he is very weak, slow, and out of shape and is constantly outshined by every other player, there's literally no reason for the coaches to pick him.

Look I'm not a manga reader so I don't know what he's actually capable of but so far it seems like his luck and his luck only is what got him a position on the team.


I am not a fan of long-running slow-paced shows at all, I need something interesting to be happening constantly, and that's exactly why I haven't started any of the 3 shows you mentioned. I guess this show is just not for me...

About romance, yes Hana is a good girl, very good in fact I would say that she would be a great partner to Ao and seems like a genuine girl who actually cares and wants to help him. my small complaint is that I feel like their relationship was forced too soon, literally on the second episode with all the blushing and "love at first sight" stuff.

gg
There's no love at first sight on ep 2 tf. She's not blushes and felt in love at the cafeteria. Rn she just saw him similar to his brother and want to help him to made herself felt better since she can't help her brother. There'll be the romance plotline later on both side, but rn there's 0 romance.

About "barely had any potential", being able to view the whole field, remember everyone position and ability to made scenario isn't enough?. That's world class vision and raw playmaking talent. Skill and other muscle related stuff can be trained, but some born talent and brain related stuff is hard to. Also he doesn't need to have an outstanding skill, speed, or physicality at all since
. Also, Fukuda sees his effort. That's very disrespectful of you saying he's only there because of luck. For example, if he gave up or not doing something on the try out, Fukuda wouldn't accept him. You'll also see his "individuality" fading by time, which showed his maturity as well. Talent+effort+wise matured mindset is what made ppl successful.

Then about the pacing. I've said this before, it's preference. You do you. Go drop it if you want, but for me you'll just missing out peak fiction. There's a reason why old series like OP, Bleach, and Gintama still relevant to these days.

Boring is also subjective. Compared to the first 8 eps of OP, Gintama, etc, Ao Ashi had more important and interesting stuff imo. There's a lot of struggle, conflict, development, cast dinamic and character moment in just 8 eps. So much more than popular stuff this season like Shikomori and SpyxFamily. The only weak eps for me is eps 6, but it's because it's an introduction episode. And even I enjoy that eps as well. Slice of life vibed stuff is just nice and feels good to watch.

I assume you want some proper match soon or tournament because you said you want short term objective. But they just can't go into that in just 8 eps. There's a reason why they haven't played any official match yet, have you ever thought why? Again it's because writing in this show is realistic. Regular sports or shonen often use the "developing in match or battle" tropes. But it's not gonna be realistic in Ao Ashi which centered around pro team. There's just no way they'll played undercooked player like Aoi in a pro match. So the plot about his selfishness and lack of skill must be done first. Only after that he could be picked and played in pro game. That's why they haven't entered the league days in the story. Nozomi not lying when says he'll not let him play in 3 months if he failed in the first game because it's a huge shit, not a mere interhigh or school tourney. Idk if you have a better scenario in your head, but it's just not easy to end "selfish player" arc before entering the league match, which is the core contents of the show, while still maintain its realism. I think the pre-league content so far is the best choice.

Lastly, we gotta talk about bad production quality as well here. I don't think there's any problem in plot, character, etc. The biggest problem is underwhelming adaptation and that's probably the core reason why you felt bored. I honestly felt the manga is better in every aspect possible. I understand player position better in the manga, I felt the movement better in the manga, and I felt the impact of goal or kick or anny other action moments better in the manga. Which is crazy because anime is supposed to move better. Go read the manga and check, legit almost every chapters had it's "wow" moment which keep you reading more.

The anime so far had a kinda bad pacing. There's 1 eps which cover 1 chapter, there's also one which cover 8. The anime almost had 0 movement in game, 0 birds eye view which is essential, and 0 impact frame or sequence. They just made lazy close up shots every match and generic looking visual by far. The manga had more detail and every kick felt harder, for example just look at Togashi pic below and compare it to eps 7. That bad animation made the match kinda dull and hard to read. Lastly, the ost usage suck af. Only good in eps 4 last moments. And they barely use any ost tbh. Most of the match doesn't had any sound in the background which is crazy. The usage is also dumb sometimes. Ashito call his mom and says he'll repay her 3 years later is one of my fav early moments, it moved me a lot. But in the anime they used a funky comedic music while he's in the call, like fr bro? ๐Ÿ˜‚. This happens in some of other highlights moment as well. Eps 11 is the first match, let's see if the quality improve. If not, just drop the anime since you didn't seem to appreciate the realistic normal life stuff he had. Better go check out the manga, it truly peak.
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nabewry said:
eyris_ said:

I actually don't think it's as generic as people claim it is, I like the fact that it delves deeper into tactical and strategic play, which is, in my opinion, its strongest AND weakest point combined with the slow pacing. Going into details would obviously take longer and slow the pacing down in any kind of scenario, but it doesn't have to be this boring and sleep-inducing!!

As for "realism" the MC shouldn't have made it onto the team in the first place, here's my take on this:


I am not a fan of long-running slow-paced shows at all, I need something interesting to be happening constantly, and that's exactly why I haven't started any of the 3 shows you mentioned. I guess this show is just not for me...

About romance, yes Hana is a good girl, very good in fact I would say that she would be a great partner to Ao and seems like a genuine girl who actually cares and wants to help him. my small complaint is that I feel like their relationship was forced too soon, literally on the second episode with all the blushing and "love at first sight" stuff.

gg
There's no love at first sight on ep 2 tf. She's not blushes and felt in love at the cafeteria. Rn she just saw him similar to his brother and want to help him to made herself felt better since she can't help her brother. There'll be the romance plotline later on both side, but rn there's 0 romance.

About "barely had any potential", being able to view the whole field, remember everyone position and ability to made scenario isn't enough?. That's world class vision and raw playmaking talent. Skill and other muscle related stuff can be trained, but some born talent and brain related stuff is hard to. Also he doesn't need to have an outstanding skill, speed, or physicality at all since
. Also, Fukuda sees his effort. That's very disrespectful of you saying he's only there because of luck. For example, if he gave up or not doing something on the try out, Fukuda wouldn't accept him. You'll also see his "individuality" fading by time, which showed his maturity as well. Talent+effort+wise matured mindset is what made ppl successful.

Then about the pacing. I've said this before, it's preference. You do you. Go drop it if you want, but for me you'll just missing out peak fiction. There's a reason why old series like OP, Bleach, and Gintama still relevant to these days.

Boring is also subjective. Compared to the first 8 eps of OP, Gintama, etc, Ao Ashi had more important and interesting stuff imo. There's a lot of struggle, conflict, development, cast dinamic and character moment in just 8 eps. So much more than popular stuff this season like Shikomori and SpyxFamily. The only weak eps for me is eps 6, but it's because it's an introduction episode. And even I enjoy that eps as well. Slice of life vibed stuff is just nice and feels good to watch.

I assume you want some proper match soon or tournament because you said you want short term objective. But they just can't go into that in just 8 eps. There's a reason why they haven't played any official match yet, have you ever thought why? Again it's because writing in this show is realistic. Regular sports or shonen often use the "developing in match or battle" tropes. But it's not gonna be realistic in Ao Ashi which centered around pro team. There's just no way they'll played undercooked player like Aoi in a pro match. So the plot about his selfishness and lack of skill must be done first. Only after that he could be picked and played in pro game. That's why they haven't entered the league days in the story. Nozomi not lying when says he'll not let him play in 3 months if he failed in the first game because it's a huge shit, not a mere interhigh or school tourney. Idk if you have a better scenario in your head, but it's just not easy to end "selfish player" arc before entering the league match, which is the core contents of the show, while still maintain its realism. I think the pre-league content so far is the best choice.

Lastly, we gotta talk about bad production quality as well here. I don't think there's any problem in plot, character, etc. The biggest problem is underwhelming adaptation and that's probably the core reason why you felt bored. I honestly felt the manga is better in every aspect possible. I understand player position better in the manga, I felt the movement better in the manga, and I felt the impact of goal or kick or anny other action moments better in the manga. Which is crazy because anime is supposed to move better. Go read the manga and check, legit almost every chapters had it's "wow" moment which keep you reading more.

The anime so far had a kinda bad pacing. There's 1 eps which cover 1 chapter, there's also one which cover 8. The anime almost had 0 movement in game, 0 birds eye view which is essential, and 0 impact frame or sequence. They just made lazy close up shots every match and generic looking visual by far. The manga had more detail and every kick felt harder, for example just look at Togashi pic below and compare it to eps 7. That bad animation made the match kinda dull and hard to read. Lastly, the ost usage suck af. Only good in eps 4 last moments. And they barely use any ost tbh. Most of the match doesn't had any sound in the background which is crazy. The usage is also dumb sometimes. Ashito call his mom and says he'll repay her 3 years later is one of my fav early moments, it moved me a lot. But in the anime they used a funky comedic music while he's in the call, like fr bro? ๐Ÿ˜‚. This happens in some of other highlights moment as well. Eps 11 is the first match, let's see if the quality improve. If not, just drop the anime since you didn't seem to appreciate the realistic normal life stuff he had. Better go check out the manga, it truly peak.
Nice but just let him go to watch Blue Lock. Just blame random guy can watch and rate DAYS and HIGEHIRO 10/10 but can't watch Ao Ashi recently KEKW
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it's not just you, it's boring. as simple as that
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eyris_ said:
I was really hyped for a new Production IG sports anime, the trailer and synopsis were cool and overall looked very promising.
BUT, after watching all 8 eps out rn I just don't see the hype anymore. The main character is extremely obnoxious, selfish and annoying, the pacing feels crazy slow and it seems like the writer is trying to force a romantic relationship down my throat between Aoi and Hana.
I read the discussions and it seems like everyone is enjoying it, am I just complaining or are these actual flaws in the show?


Do you not understand the concept of character development? The whole point is the MC starting off immature, he'll obviously get better. Too many anime fans want characters to start off perfect lmfao, it's ridiculous. And absolutely nothing romantic is being forced.
Finally, the manga has loads of chapters, it's a long story, obviously the pacing will be slow, the anime is only gonna cover the first few chapters.
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Reed_of_PC said:
Lol go watch Blue Lock.
1. They playing match every day, u dont have to understand football bcz everyone are striker.
2. Fck with tactic and basic football bcz every player can become proper CB.
3. Every OP can dribble so fast and just have stupidly acrobatic shoot.


Tbh, the consequence of not making the cut in blue lock is just so ridiculous to me. If you can't play for Japan, you can always get a passport or be a dual citizen of another country to play for another national team. Secondly, not having an out-and-out striker is not that big of a loss depending on the tactics emplyed by the manager of a team. Spain even won the European championship without a striker (Cesc Fabregas' role was to drop deep to receive the ball from the midfield or draw out the defenders from his other teammates). Imo, blue lock may have been more interesting if they also included midfielders, defenders and goalkeepers in their program.

Yeah, Blue Lock actually a stupid idea. Its useless to having top notch striker if you dont have good mid, back and keeper. All of top 6 striker no more than a decent amateur striker. Basically they are first chapter version of Aoi Ashito.

-Raynor said:
Reed_of_PC said:
Lol go watch Blue Lock.
1. They playing match every day, u dont have to understand football bcz everyone are striker.
2. Fck with tactic and basic football bcz every player can become proper CB.
3. Every OP can dribble so fast and just have stupidly acrobatic shoot.

Yes, Blue Lock is also good football manga and anime series, I agree.


Well, Blue Lock is good action manga.
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That's the problem of this manga/anime. The pacing.

It takes way way way too long to set up the story. In the manga, it's not going anywhere until the guy got promoted to the A team. Actually, until the last match against the Aomori club (probably the 24th episode of this season).

The anime watchers will have to witness nothing for like 23 episodes.

I recommend reading the manga instead. Despite its slow pacing, it's still one of the best football manga. Once you finish the manga up to the latest on-going chapter, you can come back to the anime.

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