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May 25, 2022 5:54 PM
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I've played soccer for my middle and high school teams and have played for 10+ years in recreational leagues. So never at a competitive level, although I was good enough to for many years to play competitively (though probably not now) but didn't due to personal reasons.

And from watching the first 6 eps of Ao Ashi I'm just so confused at how Ashito made the Youth Team. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did the show not claim that it was one of the best club teams in Japan? Ashito is a ball hog, egotistical and obnoxious. But he also is not skilled enough to play like he does (never passing the ball and being so arrogant that I want to scream).

SO HOW DID HE MAKE THE YOUTH TEAM? Was it just because the manager was like "oh I see some potential in him, somehow I just know he's gonna be good" or something? (Honestly I can't really remember the begining eps very well so maybe it was explained...) Because to me it doesn't seem like enough to just have motivation and make some one off epic plays to make one of the BEST teams in the country?

Are there any people who play soccer competitively who can explain to me why he made the team? Or am I right that it does not make sense? Because if no one can then I'm gonna drop the show. I wanted to like the show because I love soccer, but Ashito is so unlikeable and the whole set up of the story seems very flawed to me.
May 25, 2022 6:22 PM
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The coach said in the first or second episode, that he would get Ashito in the world class level. So, yeah, it was because he saw potential in Ashito.

And tbh, why would that be a problem? There's a lot of players in the world that don't even know how to shoot a ball and still became professionals. It's normal. Ashito will problaby evolve in everything, just wait.
May 25, 2022 7:21 PM
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they've stated this in the show he's on the youth team because the coach who runs the team personally wants him there and sees raw potential in him that can be tapped into. Other staff members even approached him about this saying he's not good enough to be on the team why do you have him here. And he's simply saying fuck off this is my choice I believe in this kid. This is not something that's unusual there's players who are handpicked throughout history in any sport by people who run things who don't exactly have the skill level to be there.
May 25, 2022 7:37 PM
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Kasutoro-Kun said:
they've stated this in the show he's on the youth team because the coach who runs the team personally wants him there and sees raw potential in him that can be tapped into. Other staff members even approached him about this saying he's not good enough to be on the team why do you have him here. And he's simply saying fuck off this is my choice I believe in this kid. This is not something that's unusual there's players who are handpicked throughout history in any sport by people who run things who don't exactly have the skill level to be there.

Ok that makes sense. I realized I just don’t like Ashito at all and so I’m not interested in watching the show because of that. But happy watching for you guys who will keep watching it :)
May 25, 2022 9:40 PM
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Its an anime,what more do u exoect
May 25, 2022 11:03 PM
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It's the coach personal request. Tbh, it's kinda hard to explain why he's picked without entering spoiler territory, let me know if you want some spoiler. But for now let's just say that the moment Fukuda saw him, he already had a scenario bout Aoi's life in his mind for the next 3 years. Fukuda is just that guy. Even in eps 5, Nozomi said, "This kid might be your first failure". So you already can tell that he's never failed at rising new talent.

Also, I highly suggest you to keep watching if you love football. The main theme of this series is Aoi's development on becoming better footballer and better human. It's intentional to made him bad at first. I'm pretty sure you'll like him on eps 8 tbh. Or if not, you'll definitely like him the next arc after eps 9. Again, if you want some spoiler to be excited, just let me know.
May 26, 2022 2:23 AM
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I think Ashito has talent but his foundations are weak due to his lack of team practice. I'm not sure if you believe in innate talent and intuition but I do and I think/assume Ashito has this innate talent that the coach sees in him. The coach also sees himself in Ashito and so does his sister(the girl). So he obviously has a bias towards him while the other coaches don't seem to approve of him.


Also about his character, I can understand how you would find him annoying and am not trying to change your mind about him. I personally like his character but also hope for some good anime character progression obviously. He's your typical boisterous and loud teenage boy who's impulsive and maybe a bit immature. He's used to hogging the ball in his previous team and it's probably hard for him to get out of that mindset even though there are times when he realises it.
May 26, 2022 7:14 AM
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icouldntbeyahoo said:
I've played soccer for my middle and high school teams and have played for 10+ years in recreational leagues. So never at a competitive level, although I was good enough to for many years to play competitively (though probably not now) but didn't due to personal reasons.

And from watching the first 6 eps of Ao Ashi I'm just so confused at how Ashito made the Youth Team. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did the show not claim that it was one of the best club teams in Japan? Ashito is a ball hog, egotistical and obnoxious. But he also is not skilled enough to play like he does (never passing the ball and being so arrogant that I want to scream).

SO HOW DID HE MAKE THE YOUTH TEAM? Was it just because the manager was like "oh I see some potential in him, somehow I just know he's gonna be good" or something? (Honestly I can't really remember the begining eps very well so maybe it was explained...) Because to me it doesn't seem like enough to just have motivation and make some one off epic plays to make one of the BEST teams in the country?

Are there any people who play soccer competitively who can explain to me why he made the team? Or am I right that it does not make sense? Because if no one can then I'm gonna drop the show. I wanted to like the show because I love soccer, but Ashito is so unlikeable and the whole set up of the story seems very flawed to me.

This is actually pretty common from where Im from with recruits for teams(or even the youth national team). You dont have to be good in everything but if you carry a trait that they can hone and they think they can remove your bad traits through training then you'll get recruited
May 26, 2022 7:46 AM
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milowatch said:
I think Ashito has talent but his foundations are weak due to his lack of team practice. I'm not sure if you believe in innate talent and intuition but I do and I think/assume Ashito has this innate talent that the coach sees in him. The coach also sees himself in Ashito and so does his sister(the girl). So he obviously has a bias towards him while the other coaches don't seem to approve of him.


Also about his character, I can understand how you would find him annoying and am not trying to change your mind about him. I personally like his character but also hope for some good anime character progression obviously. He's your typical boisterous and loud teenage boy who's impulsive and maybe a bit immature. He's used to hogging the ball in his previous team and it's probably hard for him to get out of that mindset even though there are times when he realises it.

Ok that’s fair - thanks. I think it’s just hard for me to get into the show since Ashito is annoying and I don’t really like the other characters. But I think I’ll watch another couple eps to see if he gets more developed and likeable as a result.
May 26, 2022 11:00 AM
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icouldntbeyahoo said:
I've played soccer for my middle and high school teams and have played for 10+ years in recreational leagues. So never at a competitive level, although I was good enough to for many years to play competitively (though probably not now) but didn't due to personal reasons.

And from watching the first 6 eps of Ao Ashi I'm just so confused at how Ashito made the Youth Team. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did the show not claim that it was one of the best club teams in Japan? Ashito is a ball hog, egotistical and obnoxious. But he also is not skilled enough to play like he does (never passing the ball and being so arrogant that I want to scream).

SO HOW DID HE MAKE THE YOUTH TEAM? Was it just because the manager was like "oh I see some potential in him, somehow I just know he's gonna be good" or something? (Honestly I can't really remember the begining eps very well so maybe it was explained...) Because to me it doesn't seem like enough to just have motivation and make some one off epic plays to make one of the BEST teams in the country?

Are there any people who play soccer competitively who can explain to me why he made the team? Or am I right that it does not make sense? Because if no one can then I'm gonna drop the show. I wanted to like the show because I love soccer, but Ashito is so unlikeable and the whole set up of the story seems very flawed to me.

This is actually pretty common from where Im from with recruits for teams(or even the youth national team). You dont have to be good in everything but if you carry a trait that they can hone and they think they can remove your bad traits through training then you'll get recruited

I see. I don’t think that happens a lot in my country. But we also don’t have a large or well developed soccer program.
May 26, 2022 11:04 AM
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It's the coach personal request. Tbh, it's kinda hard to explain why he's picked without entering spoiler territory, let me know if you want some spoiler. But for now let's just say that the moment Fukuda saw him, he already had a scenario bout Aoi's life in his mind for the next 3 years. Fukuda is just that guy. Even in eps 5, Nozomi said, "This kid might be your first failure". So you already can tell that he's never failed at rising new talent.

Also, I highly suggest you to keep watching if you love football. The main theme of this series is Aoi's development on becoming better footballer and better human. It's intentional to made him bad at first. I'm pretty sure you'll like him on eps 8 tbh. Or if not, you'll definitely like him the next arc after eps 9. Again, if you want some spoiler to be excited, just let me know.

Ok thanks, I’ll give it a shot and watch a couple more eps. And then I’ll decide whether to drop
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icouldntbeyahoo said:
I've played soccer for my middle and high school teams and have played for 10+ years in recreational leagues. So never at a competitive level, although I was good enough to for many years to play competitively (though probably not now) but didn't due to personal reasons.

And from watching the first 6 eps of Ao Ashi I'm just so confused at how Ashito made the Youth Team. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did the show not claim that it was one of the best club teams in Japan? Ashito is a ball hog, egotistical and obnoxious. But he also is not skilled enough to play like he does (never passing the ball and being so arrogant that I want to scream).

SO HOW DID HE MAKE THE YOUTH TEAM? Was it just because the manager was like "oh I see some potential in him, somehow I just know he's gonna be good" or something? (Honestly I can't really remember the begining eps very well so maybe it was explained...) Because to me it doesn't seem like enough to just have motivation and make some one off epic plays to make one of the BEST teams in the country?

Are there any people who play soccer competitively who can explain to me why he made the team? Or am I right that it does not make sense? Because if no one can then I'm gonna drop the show. I wanted to like the show because I love soccer, but Ashito is so unlikeable and the whole set up of the story seems very flawed to me.

Please do not disrespect the sport of football by calling it soccer. Anyway, it was explained that he could analyse all the players position in a football field, which we get to know when the manager trains him. So he apperantly has this ability to analyse the match, that’s probably what the manager saw in ashito.
May 27, 2022 4:27 AM
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You'll know soon enough what the manager has planned for him don't worry. I had my share of misgivings about Ashito when I first read the manga, but after watching him keep on growing as a player and as a person, almost 300 chapters later he is one of my most favorite characters in animanga.
May 27, 2022 7:34 PM
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It’s bc the coach saw his potential & bc of aoi showing him the entire team play that flew through his brain
May 27, 2022 10:58 PM
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I’ve read all the released chapter around 290 and ashito has the classic quality of putting in effort to his sport but also having talent to take it forward. If you notice, his main problems are the technicals of football which can be fixed at his age due to his raw talent. He sees the field very well, is athletic and most of all has the classic quality of wanting to learn from his mistakes after them being pointed out. Idk what else to say but keep watching cuz there are a lot more characters than ashito and it’s a good story for football lovers.
May 28, 2022 10:57 AM
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the coach's suck
stone face says Aoi wont cut it so despite the fact his mother is paying 300,000 yen a year thats it, just ignore him, then when he asks for help its a sentence of advice, no example, no help, no analysis, no COACHING, do your damn job that you are being payed to do.
Jun 4, 2022 3:26 PM
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Most likely like in real life due to the ego of the Trainer and not by the merits of the player
Jun 5, 2022 7:58 AM
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Did you not watch the show hahahahaha it’s only been a handful of episodes and you act like we are a season in. That’s how recruiting highschool teams works….. a coach goes out and finds talent and even ungroomed talent to make even better.
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icouldntbeyahoo said:
I've played soccer for my middle and high school teams and have played for 10+ years in recreational leagues. So never at a competitive level, although I was good enough to for many years to play competitively (though probably not now) but didn't due to personal reasons.

And from watching the first 6 eps of Ao Ashi I'm just so confused at how Ashito made the Youth Team. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did the show not claim that it was one of the best club teams in Japan? Ashito is a ball hog, egotistical and obnoxious. But he also is not skilled enough to play like he does (never passing the ball and being so arrogant that I want to scream).

SO HOW DID HE MAKE THE YOUTH TEAM? Was it just because the manager was like "oh I see some potential in him, somehow I just know he's gonna be good" or something? (Honestly I can't really remember the begining eps very well so maybe it was explained...) Because to me it doesn't seem like enough to just have motivation and make some one off epic plays to make one of the BEST teams in the country?

Are there any people who play soccer competitively who can explain to me why he made the team? Or am I right that it does not make sense? Because if no one can then I'm gonna drop the show. I wanted to like the show because I love soccer, but Ashito is so unlikeable and the whole set up of the story seems very flawed to me.

Please do not disrespect the sport of football by calling it soccer. Anyway, it was explained that he could analyse all the players position in a football field, which we get to know when the manager trains him. So he apperantly has this ability to analyse the match, that’s probably what the manager saw in ashito.


Shut up, if it’s what it is called in the country that live in let it be you fucking goober.
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UltimateKai said:
I’ve read all the released chapter around 290 and ashito has the classic quality of putting in effort to his sport but also having talent to take it forward. If you notice, his main problems are the technicals of football which can be fixed at his age due to his raw talent. He sees the field very well, is athletic and most of all has the classic quality of wanting to learn from his mistakes after them being pointed out. Idk what else to say but keep watching cuz there are a lot more characters than ashito and it’s a good story for football lovers.


I agree here too , there are players , well let's say Jamie Vardy , who were semi pro's until their 20's and still made it in the top level , ashito still being 16 ? is it , its completely possible and not a miracle if he puts in the effort and learns from the coaches , moreover he has that natural knack for goals , this we can't develop , so yeah he has an edge over others , not everyone develops the same , footballing IQ.
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icouldntbeyahoo said:
I've played soccer for my middle and high school teams and have played for 10+ years in recreational leagues. So never at a competitive level, although I was good enough to for many years to play competitively (though probably not now) but didn't due to personal reasons.

And from watching the first 6 eps of Ao Ashi I'm just so confused at how Ashito made the Youth Team. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did the show not claim that it was one of the best club teams in Japan? Ashito is a ball hog, egotistical and obnoxious. But he also is not skilled enough to play like he does (never passing the ball and being so arrogant that I want to scream).

SO HOW DID HE MAKE THE YOUTH TEAM? Was it just because the manager was like "oh I see some potential in him, somehow I just know he's gonna be good" or something? (Honestly I can't really remember the begining eps very well so maybe it was explained...) Because to me it doesn't seem like enough to just have motivation and make some one off epic plays to make one of the BEST teams in the country?

Are there any people who play soccer competitively who can explain to me why he made the team? Or am I right that it does not make sense? Because if no one can then I'm gonna drop the show. I wanted to like the show because I love soccer, but Ashito is so unlikeable and the whole set up of the story seems very flawed to me.


You know Muller and Inzaghi right? They seems not special in speed, dribbling and shooting, but they considered special. Why? Because they really smart in reading the game and find the right spot, and they are rare. Thats Fukuda saw in Ashito.
Jun 11, 2022 2:06 AM

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if you can make it to the youth teams of a serious team you are already a guy with all the fundamentals and also gifted in football, so yes for Aoi to get to that team with all his weakness is not realistic, but this is an anime that must be appreciated and also understood by those who have never played football, so I understand the fact that he has these gaps, they are used to explain football
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if you can make it to the youth teams of a serious team you are already a guy with all the fundamentals and also gifted in football, so yes for Aoi to get to that team with all his weakness is not realistic, but this is an anime that must be appreciated and also understood by those who have never played football, so I understand the fact that he has these gaps, they are used to explain football

Yes, it is unreal partly, but manga is based on the real-life J-League club Kashiwa Reysol.

While the Reysol's main sponsor is Hitachi, Esperion's sponsor is Kaidou. Both companies have similar motto "Inspire the Next" for Hitachi, and "Inspiration Works" for Kaidou. However, the Reysol is based in Chiba, a large city next to Tokyo.

Fron here: https://ao-ashi.fandom.com/wiki/Tokyo_City_Esperion_FC

So all this could have happened in real life too.
Jun 11, 2022 4:13 AM

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That's coz he performed well in the trials and had the manager's backing. Add on the fact that he has quickly learnt one of the basics and has a natural talent for knowing where the players are on the field.

Simply no way the manager will let go after that.




Jun 11, 2022 4:19 AM

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First of all, whatever you're asking had already been shown in the first 2 eps of the anime.

Secondly, most of the members of the Youth Team have been personally recruited by Fukuda the manager himself. Even the ones who were brought for the tryouts were brought by him. He's the fucking manager of the team and is a former professional player so I believe when he says he saw potential in Aoi and wanted to refine his skills he wasn't just spewing out nonsense.

No to mention he performed quite well in the tryouts.

Also, just because someone's basic skills aren't as refined as others, it doesn't determine that if or not then can improve on them and get better. Even with all the shit Aoi does, he's still a solid football player in school level games.
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icouldntbeyahoo said:
I've played soccer for my middle and high school teams and have played for 10+ years in recreational leagues. So never at a competitive level, although I was good enough to for many years to play competitively (though probably not now) but didn't due to personal reasons.

And from watching the first 6 eps of Ao Ashi I'm just so confused at how Ashito made the Youth Team. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did the show not claim that it was one of the best club teams in Japan? Ashito is a ball hog, egotistical and obnoxious. But he also is not skilled enough to play like he does (never passing the ball and being so arrogant that I want to scream).

SO HOW DID HE MAKE THE YOUTH TEAM? Was it just because the manager was like "oh I see some potential in him, somehow I just know he's gonna be good" or something? (Honestly I can't really remember the begining eps very well so maybe it was explained...) Because to me it doesn't seem like enough to just have motivation and make some one off epic plays to make one of the BEST teams in the country?

Are there any people who play soccer competitively who can explain to me why he made the team? Or am I right that it does not make sense? Because if no one can then I'm gonna drop the show. I wanted to like the show because I love soccer, but Ashito is so unlikeable and the whole set up of the story seems very flawed to me.


You know Muller and Inzaghi right? They seems not special in speed, dribbling and shooting, but they considered special. Why? Because they really smart in reading the game and find the right spot, and they are rare. Thats Fukuda saw in Ashito.

Perfect, football is not only technical skill, there are some other factors that make a player special.
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icouldntbeyahoo said:
I've played soccer for my middle and high school teams and have played for 10+ years in recreational leagues. So never at a competitive level, although I was good enough to for many years to play competitively (though probably not now) but didn't due to personal reasons.

And from watching the first 6 eps of Ao Ashi I'm just so confused at how Ashito made the Youth Team. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did the show not claim that it was one of the best club teams in Japan? Ashito is a ball hog, egotistical and obnoxious. But he also is not skilled enough to play like he does (never passing the ball and being so arrogant that I want to scream).

SO HOW DID HE MAKE THE YOUTH TEAM? Was it just because the manager was like "oh I see some potential in him, somehow I just know he's gonna be good" or something? (Honestly I can't really remember the begining eps very well so maybe it was explained...) Because to me it doesn't seem like enough to just have motivation and make some one off epic plays to make one of the BEST teams in the country?

Are there any people who play soccer competitively who can explain to me why he made the team? Or am I right that it does not make sense? Because if no one can then I'm gonna drop the show. I wanted to like the show because I love soccer, but Ashito is so unlikeable and the whole set up of the story seems very flawed to me.


Don't let your immature self and personal grudge in ashito and the show affect your capability to think, it's stupid. And don't pretend that you play youth cuz the way you talk, it's obvious that you know nothing about soccer nor how coaches and clubs recruit players.

So you're asking why Ashito entered the club when he sucks??? Here's an explanation cuz I can tell you don't understand anything in what you're watching.

Fukuda already mentioned it. They are looking for players that has POTENTIAL...

(not overly good players cuz what's the point of joining the club if you're already godly like?? tf this is not blue lock)

...and he want that Esperion will be the one to train them and make them good athletes and professionals. He said he has a dream, to create the best team and compete to stronger teams in Spain. They are looking for players to train!

Ashito started very poorly and that's fine and definitely understandable because that's how you learn to play soccer and be professional.

You don't like the plot?? The storyline? In what way? Because it has reality approach where not everyone is not good from the start and the story is about how players started as amateurs and aiming to become professional?

Dude. That's how sports works.

Or you don't like it because it doesn't have superpowers? Hmmm i know people like you, i encountered a lot already. You hating on ao ashi for no good reason because you prefer the other one👀.

Anyway, if you don't like it, you don't have to create a thread just to express your hate. It's pathetic. Specially when you didn't really understands what you're watching because ur so focused on the flaws of the mc and bitching about it rather than how that "flaws" of him will help him to improve and how that flaws helps the story progress.

Tsk tsk... Be open minded and think carefully. Don't be a shallow, clueless idiot. Alright?
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You know Muller and Inzaghi right? They seems not special in speed, dribbling and shooting, but they considered special. Why? Because they really smart in reading the game and find the right spot, and they are rare. Thats Fukuda saw in Ashito.

Perfect, football is not only technical skill, there are some other factors that make a player special.

Yeah, thats true, player like Ashito are rare. Thats why Fukuda having so much hope in him. He can be so overpower with proper development.
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He has the vision of Pirlo/Modric blah blah. Manager Fukuda knew that. And he also has incredible growth rate. Plus, other staffs beside Fukuda strongly disapproved the club signing him.

Just keep watching.
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After reading the manga, I think Fukuda saw a good potential in Ashito which perfectly fits a certain "position" that he envisioned in his team (I think in Esperion's team A). Ashito's wider vision is certainly a good addition in this "monster" team in A which is something that you can definitely look forward in the future adaptations. And mind you, this ability of his' plays a major role in the "plot twist" of the story later on. That was a really good twist and reveal of Fukuda's real intention of scouting Ashito to Esperion. So it's something that you can look forward when watching the anime. Besides that, Ashito might be annoying at first but he is a hardworking kid that strived to reach his full potential. So another thing to keep this anime in your watch list :)
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I used to play as an inverted left-back just like Aoi, so I feel very related to him.

The part (in the manga) where they explain why they put Aoi on that position instead of a midfielder right away just made a lot of sense to me. When I play on the flank, it's so easy to just focus in the front and on my right. Hugging the line is a lot easier task than going central.
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didn't say anything when this thread was posted but your concerns have been addressed with the latest episode my guy, why he made the team and all. it will continue to be addressed.
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You wouldn’t believe how many pro athletes are in the NBA, NHL, Football leagues, exc. who started their respective sports not only late, but didn’t even know how to score in them.

I mainly watch NBA so I’ll use Pascal Siakam from the Toronto Raptors as an example. He didn’t even play basketball till his late teens. He couldn’t shoot or anything. But once he was scouted in Cameroon and given all the tools and time to improve his game he skyrocketed in his growth. Now currently he’s the best player for the Raptors and the highest payed. All because he trained and developed his naturally gifted skills. It’s a very real thing in sports. Managers and executives look for potential and high growth too when scouting players, not just talent.

A talented player who could be effective right out the gate is good but if they can’t improve their game any further down their career or have reached their peak too soon, then they won’t be as effective as someone who has lesser talent but an incredibly high ceiling for growth that could potentially develop them to become a better player than the currently more talented one.
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well he has prodigious positioning sense and memory, even no many top football players wouldnt be able to precisely remember 22 players' positions. while he definitely lacks ball control and physical abilities, his positioning sense definitely makes up for it

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