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May 21, 2022 7:00 PM
#1
| I see Aoi in the latest episodes, the Head Coach said he can't play individual tactic. Can anyone explain this? |
May 21, 2022 8:36 PM
#5
| His weakness is that he is unable to use individual tactics. Duh. |
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May 21, 2022 8:39 PM
#6
| He has excellent vision, but his lack of understanding of basic tactical knowledge(triangles, distance between players, team movement as a whole) and his self centered way of play(every play he envision is a play which Aoi Ashito is the central figure) means that he is useless for the team if the opposition can stop him(which is easy to do even on J-Youth level). Ao Ashi take on football is very tactical so Ashito's way of egoistic play is a major weakness. Maybe he will be better appreciated if he's the main character of Blue Lock lol |
May 21, 2022 8:42 PM
#7
| he lacks individual tactics & only relies on his intuition — Coach Nozomi |
May 21, 2022 8:46 PM
#8
Doubleight said: He has excellent vision, but his lack of understanding of basic tactical knowledge(triangles, distance between players, team movement as a whole) and his self centered way of play(every play he envision is a play which Aoi Ashito is the central figure) means that he is useless for the team if the opposition can stop him(which is easy to do even on J-Youth level). Ao Ashi take on football is very tactical so Ashito's way of egoistic play is a major weakness. Maybe he will be better appreciated if he's the main character of Blue Lock lol Lol the last take, Aoi chooses the wrong anime to be MC! |
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May 21, 2022 9:14 PM
#9
he not have vision? |
May 21, 2022 9:17 PM
#10
May 21, 2022 9:29 PM
#11
| can someone explain how "he can't use individual tatics" is exactly reflected in the game? |
May 21, 2022 9:30 PM
#12
Craftmir said: can someone explain how "he can't use individual tatics" is exactly reflected in the game? please give me example about individual tactics, i think the individual tactics is vision of player? |
May 21, 2022 9:33 PM
#13
sanjsteven24 said: Craftmir said: can someone explain how "he can't use individual tatics" is exactly reflected in the game? please give me example about individual tactics, i think the individual tactics is vision of player? I don't know about these individual tatics too 😅 but in terms of vision of player he is like a genius when he uses that "crow's power" |
CraftmirMay 21, 2022 9:39 PM
May 21, 2022 10:13 PM
#14
sanjsteven24 said: Craftmir said: can someone explain how "he can't use individual tatics" is exactly reflected in the game? please give me example about individual tactics, i think the individual tactics is vision of player? (I don't know that much about soccer & not good at explaining things so pls correct me if I'm wrong) It's actually like a technique or his own (individual) strategy. Something like a game plan for himself So he just basically doesn't have any of that & only believes and do moves that he thinks is right, I think that's a much easier explanation I guess |
May 21, 2022 10:24 PM
#16
sanjsteven24 said: Craftmir said: can someone explain how "he can't use individual tatics" is exactly reflected in the game? please give me example about individual tactics, i think the individual tactics is vision of player? the ability to know what to do in a certain situation and the ability to execute strategy. There's a lot of play in football which requires more than 1 people. He just doesn't know how to do that type of strategic teamplay and also doesn't know what kind of teamplay should've occur in certain condition. For example about maintaining the game pacing. Good player should know what pacing the team should play in response to enemy strategy. If the enemy are on attacking and your team got a rebound ball, what you normally do is counter attacking in a fast pace. But if you're on attacking position and the opponent played high pressung defense, then you should maintain the play on the midfield a lot and keep the pace slow. As for Aoi, hell just keep attacking on fast pace even tho maybe 6-7 opponents player are in the penalty area. Why it's fatal for Aoi? Why coach Nozomi even said smt like "in 3 years he'll never enter team A if he's not develped immensely"? That's because, all the promoted youth player already learn about this since they're a kid. Let's just say they've studying about this stuff for like 6 years, and even tho they showed a good demonstration of it this eps, they're still in B team, which means they're still not good enough for team A. As for Ashito, he's a highschoolers, which means he only had 3 years before graduating. If promoted youth still not good enough in 6 years? Coach Nozomi just think realistically that Aoi will need a hard time to learn this in 3 years. It'll be even harder considering his high ego and individuality and his mediocre practical skill. |
nabewryMay 21, 2022 10:29 PM
May 22, 2022 1:12 AM
#17
| Basically Ashito only has intuition which, as coach Nozomi said, sometimes lets him execute great plays but neither he nor the team can rely on it. So Ashito essentially has no game knowledge. That basically makes him useless for the team, especially a high-level one like a youth team of a major professional first division club like Esperion is supposed to be. Ashito's biggest problem is that he has no situational awareness or knowledge of positional play. You see how he wasn't aware of gameplay changing, his team changed the way they play and he was completely unaware, that's something you have to be aware of and pick up on the fly if you play football in a team. He was basically a headless chicken the whole time and completely ignorant of what's happening on the field and so the game completely passed him. Those things Ashito lacks are taught when you start football, at 7 and 8 years old. Ashito is 15 year old highschooler now, ideally he would be playing for a professional team in 2-3 years, and he lacks the very basics of the game. That's why Nozomi is against him, it's too late for him to start playing in a high level youth team of a professional club. He simply isn't on a level required for a position he has gotten. He will have to improve dramatically and fast in order to remain where he is and have a chance in going further. |
May 22, 2022 1:32 AM
#18
Tsarko said: Basically Ashito only has intuition which, as coach Nozomi said, sometimes lets him execute great plays but neither he nor the team can rely on it. So Ashito essentially has no game knowledge. That basically makes him useless for the team, especially a high-level one like a youth team of a major professional first division club like Esperion is supposed to be. Ashito's biggest problem is that he has no situational awareness or knowledge of positional play. You see how he wasn't aware of gameplay changing, his team changed the way they play and he was completely unaware, that's something you have to be aware of and pick up on the fly if you play football in a team. He was basically a headless chicken the whole time and completely ignorant of what's happening on the field and so the game completely passed him. Those things Ashito lacks are taught when you start football, at 7 and 8 years old. Ashito is 15 year old highschooler now, ideally he would be playing for a professional team in 2-3 years, and he lacks the very basics of the game. That's why Nozomi is against him, it's too late for him to start playing in a high level youth team of a professional club. He simply isn't on a level required for a position he has gotten. He will have to improve dramatically and fast in order to remain where he is and have a chance in going further. i think this character similiar on Tsukamoto's days. But in different, Tsukamoto start from zero in high school. Aoi start 3 years from he invited to Esperion. Who is the better for this? Tsukamoto or Aoi? |
May 22, 2022 1:49 AM
#19
sanjsteven24 said: Tsarko said: Basically Ashito only has intuition which, as coach Nozomi said, sometimes lets him execute great plays but neither he nor the team can rely on it. So Ashito essentially has no game knowledge. That basically makes him useless for the team, especially a high-level one like a youth team of a major professional first division club like Esperion is supposed to be. Ashito's biggest problem is that he has no situational awareness or knowledge of positional play. You see how he wasn't aware of gameplay changing, his team changed the way they play and he was completely unaware, that's something you have to be aware of and pick up on the fly if you play football in a team. He was basically a headless chicken the whole time and completely ignorant of what's happening on the field and so the game completely passed him. Those things Ashito lacks are taught when you start football, at 7 and 8 years old. Ashito is 15 year old highschooler now, ideally he would be playing for a professional team in 2-3 years, and he lacks the very basics of the game. That's why Nozomi is against him, it's too late for him to start playing in a high level youth team of a professional club. He simply isn't on a level required for a position he has gotten. He will have to improve dramatically and fast in order to remain where he is and have a chance in going further. i think this character similiar on Tsukamoto's days. But in different, Tsukamoto start from zero in high school. Aoi start 3 years from he invited to Esperion. Who is the better for this? Tsukamoto or Aoi? I haven't seen Days so I can't compare or talk about it. But high-school and club football (or any sport for that matter can't be compared). It's okay if you are a total beginner in a high-school club, that's what high-school clubs are made for - for students to spend quality free time, socialize and learn something. On the other hand youth teams of professional clubs are entirely different story. Level of play there is on a higher level and expectations of you are so much higher. You don't enter youth club to be taught football, you enter because you are already very good at it and have a decent chance in going professional in 2-3 years and play for the club in the first division league, in this case J-League. |
May 22, 2022 5:30 AM
#22
| Your average shounen protagonist, then later some miraculous shit is probably gonna happen due to power of friendship, believing or some other cliche shit |
May 22, 2022 5:58 AM
#23
Yui727 said: Your average shounen protagonist, then later some miraculous shit is probably gonna happen due to power of friendship, believing or some other cliche shit the basis of shonen after all, the thing just have to be well made to be good like yami one day said: ![]() |
CraftmirMay 22, 2022 6:03 AM
May 22, 2022 10:48 AM
#24
Yui727 said: Your average shounen protagonist, then later some miraculous shit is probably gonna happen due to power of friendship, believing or some other cliche shit not really I mean this a realistic football anime so I imagine he will develop skills and understand where he is wrong |
May 22, 2022 2:54 PM
#25
sanjsteven24 said: I see Aoi in the latest episodes, the Head Coach said he can't play individual tactic. Can anyone explain this? He’s dumb and has no game sense |
May 23, 2022 12:05 AM
#26
Craftmir said: can someone explain how "he can't use individual tatics" is exactly reflected in the game? Trust my words as a Brazilian who has basically watched a lot of football ("SoCcER") throughout my life. This so called individual tactics is a fancy name the coach gave for a player figuring out how he should perform in the game. Players do have collective and individual assignments given before and in-game, but there are things you can't coach. You can call it Game IQ, but it's an overall capacity of understanding matchups, understand players' tendencies, reading the opposite tactics, and, by your own, reacting in field accordingly in order to optimize your gameplay. If you watch football, eventually you'll figure how some players, albeit not as talented as some of their peers, can takeover a match and "deal the cards". You'll also be aware of how many amazingly talented players fail at the highest level, even though having everything you could wish skill wise. The way I see it, what Ashito has is basically an incredible ability to create plays outta nothing, which is a very rare trait to own, but he lacks basic fundamentals and doesn't balance it by playing smart, quite the opposite. I'd say it's scary relatable watching the Brazilian League, there are plenty of skillful and dumb players here lmao |
May 23, 2022 3:53 AM
#27
droppa121 said: Craftmir said: can someone explain how "he can't use individual tatics" is exactly reflected in the game? Trust my words as a Brazilian who has basically watched a lot of football ("SoCcER") throughout my life. This so called individual tactics is a fancy name the coach gave for a player figuring out how he should perform in the game. Players do have collective and individual assignments given before and in-game, but there are things you can't coach. You can call it Game IQ, but it's an overall capacity of understanding matchups, understand players' tendencies, reading the opposite tactics, and, by your own, reacting in field accordingly in order to optimize your gameplay. If you watch football, eventually you'll figure how some players, albeit not as talented as some of their peers, can takeover a match and "deal the cards". You'll also be aware of how many amazingly talented players fail at the highest level, even though having everything you could wish skill wise. The way I see it, what Ashito has is basically an incredible ability to create plays outta nothing, which is a very rare trait to own, but he lacks basic fundamentals and doesn't balance it by playing smart, quite the opposite. I'd say it's scary relatable watching the Brazilian League, there are plenty of skillful and dumb players here lmao Entendi mano, sou brasileiro tbm Essa última frase kkkkk |
May 23, 2022 10:21 AM
#28
droppa121 said: haha definitely interesting fact at the end. Back when I was a kid, I simply thought that the standard of good football player is good skill. Especially when playing with friends, play for school, or even play in city lvl match.Craftmir said: can someone explain how "he can't use individual tatics" is exactly reflected in the game? Trust my words as a Brazilian who has basically watched a lot of football ("SoCcER") throughout my life. This so called individual tactics is a fancy name the coach gave for a player figuring out how he should perform in the game. Players do have collective and individual assignments given before and in-game, but there are things you can't coach. You can call it Game IQ, but it's an overall capacity of understanding matchups, understand players' tendencies, reading the opposite tactics, and, by your own, reacting in field accordingly in order to optimize your gameplay. If you watch football, eventually you'll figure how some players, albeit not as talented as some of their peers, can takeover a match and "deal the cards". You'll also be aware of how many amazingly talented players fail at the highest level, even though having everything you could wish skill wise. The way I see it, what Ashito has is basically an incredible ability to create plays outta nothing, which is a very rare trait to own, but he lacks basic fundamentals and doesn't balance it by playing smart, quite the opposite. I'd say it's scary relatable watching the Brazilian League, there are plenty of skillful and dumb players here lmao But now you see system is everything. I love seeing those after match system analysis and find out amazing things I didn't even realize. A football coach from my country even said smt like this, "Good football player isn't someone skillful, but someone who can pass and run a system" Sorry to sound rude. Every football fans knows how Brazilian had such a good football skill. But recently, I think you also agree that Brazil isn't a king at football anymore right? And that's probably because other nation, especially Europe had a better system play nowadays. And as I said, system>skill. I find it interesting that you even said Brazilian had a lot of skillful but dumb players 😅 |
May 23, 2022 10:25 AM
#29
nabewry said: droppa121 said: haha definitely interesting fact at the end. Back when I was a kid, I simply thought that the standard of good football player is good skill. Especially when playing with friends, play for school, or even play in city lvl match.Craftmir said: can someone explain how "he can't use individual tatics" is exactly reflected in the game? Trust my words as a Brazilian who has basically watched a lot of football ("SoCcER") throughout my life. This so called individual tactics is a fancy name the coach gave for a player figuring out how he should perform in the game. Players do have collective and individual assignments given before and in-game, but there are things you can't coach. You can call it Game IQ, but it's an overall capacity of understanding matchups, understand players' tendencies, reading the opposite tactics, and, by your own, reacting in field accordingly in order to optimize your gameplay. If you watch football, eventually you'll figure how some players, albeit not as talented as some of their peers, can takeover a match and "deal the cards". You'll also be aware of how many amazingly talented players fail at the highest level, even though having everything you could wish skill wise. The way I see it, what Ashito has is basically an incredible ability to create plays outta nothing, which is a very rare trait to own, but he lacks basic fundamentals and doesn't balance it by playing smart, quite the opposite. I'd say it's scary relatable watching the Brazilian League, there are plenty of skillful and dumb players here lmao But now you see system is everything. I love seeing those after match system analysis and find out amazing things I didn't even realize. A football coach from my country even said smt like this, "Good football player isn't someone skillful, but someone who can pass and run a system" Sorry to sound rude. Every football fans knows how Brazilian had such a good football skill. But recently, I think you also agree that Brazil isn't a king at football anymore right? And that's probably because other nation, especially Europe had a better system play nowadays. And as I said, system>skill. I find it interesting that you even said Brazilian had a lot of skillful but dumb players 😅 To be honest, I believe that Brazil national squad is pretty much an european team, since they play similar kind of football and the roster pretty much plays in Europe. Those who don't fit that gamestyle won't succeed in the biggest european leagues, hence won't be international called as well. I agree with the premise that Brazil lost its crown, but the "Amarelinha" still seems elite among them. |
May 23, 2022 10:26 AM
#30
Yui727 said: First of all, this is Seinen. Second of all, I think tou should stop post some baseless assumption like this, it's just spread negativity. Lastly, Idc if it's a spoiler, but there'll be no miraculous shit. Just clearing some hoax.Your average shounen protagonist, then later some miraculous shit is probably gonna happen due to power of friendship, believing or some other cliche shit |
May 23, 2022 10:37 AM
#31
droppa121 said: I didn't mean it that way. Ofc Brazil national team played in a great system as well. What I mean is, even tho Brazil had a lot of skillful player, probably the most skillful in the world, it doesn't guaranteed the team will automatically be the best. At the end of the day, it still depend on the system. Those skillful player should be able to play on the system. Individual skill is just like some spice or topping on top of that system. Exactly just like what you've said.nabewry said: droppa121 said: Craftmir said: can someone explain how "he can't use individual tatics" is exactly reflected in the game? Trust my words as a Brazilian who has basically watched a lot of football ("SoCcER") throughout my life. This so called individual tactics is a fancy name the coach gave for a player figuring out how he should perform in the game. Players do have collective and individual assignments given before and in-game, but there are things you can't coach. You can call it Game IQ, but it's an overall capacity of understanding matchups, understand players' tendencies, reading the opposite tactics, and, by your own, reacting in field accordingly in order to optimize your gameplay. If you watch football, eventually you'll figure how some players, albeit not as talented as some of their peers, can takeover a match and "deal the cards". You'll also be aware of how many amazingly talented players fail at the highest level, even though having everything you could wish skill wise. The way I see it, what Ashito has is basically an incredible ability to create plays outta nothing, which is a very rare trait to own, but he lacks basic fundamentals and doesn't balance it by playing smart, quite the opposite. I'd say it's scary relatable watching the Brazilian League, there are plenty of skillful and dumb players here lmao But now you see system is everything. I love seeing those after match system analysis and find out amazing things I didn't even realize. A football coach from my country even said smt like this, "Good football player isn't someone skillful, but someone who can pass and run a system" Sorry to sound rude. Every football fans knows how Brazilian had such a good football skill. But recently, I think you also agree that Brazil isn't a king at football anymore right? And that's probably because other nation, especially Europe had a better system play nowadays. And as I said, system>skill. I find it interesting that you even said Brazilian had a lot of skillful but dumb players 😅 To be honest, I believe that Brazil national squad is pretty much an european team, since they play similar kind of football and the roster pretty much plays in Europe. Those who don't fit that gamestyle won't succeed in the biggest european leagues, hence won't be international called as well. I agree with the premise that Brazil lost its crown, but the "Amarelinha" still seems elite among them. I do hope either Brazil or Argentine won the WC this year tbh. Europe been dominating WC for too long. Other continent won will be more interesting. |
May 23, 2022 10:47 AM
#32
nabewry said: droppa121 said: I didn't mean it that way. Ofc Brazil national team played in a great system as well. What I mean is, even tho Brazil had a lot of skillful player, probably the most skillful in the world, it doesn't guaranteed the team will automatically be the best. At the end of the day, it still depend on the system. Those skillful player should be able to play on the system. Individual skill is just like some spice or topping on top of that system. Exactly just like what you've said.nabewry said: droppa121 said: haha definitely interesting fact at the end. Back when I was a kid, I simply thought that the standard of good football player is good skill. Especially when playing with friends, play for school, or even play in city lvl match.Craftmir said: can someone explain how "he can't use individual tatics" is exactly reflected in the game? Trust my words as a Brazilian who has basically watched a lot of football ("SoCcER") throughout my life. This so called individual tactics is a fancy name the coach gave for a player figuring out how he should perform in the game. Players do have collective and individual assignments given before and in-game, but there are things you can't coach. You can call it Game IQ, but it's an overall capacity of understanding matchups, understand players' tendencies, reading the opposite tactics, and, by your own, reacting in field accordingly in order to optimize your gameplay. If you watch football, eventually you'll figure how some players, albeit not as talented as some of their peers, can takeover a match and "deal the cards". You'll also be aware of how many amazingly talented players fail at the highest level, even though having everything you could wish skill wise. The way I see it, what Ashito has is basically an incredible ability to create plays outta nothing, which is a very rare trait to own, but he lacks basic fundamentals and doesn't balance it by playing smart, quite the opposite. I'd say it's scary relatable watching the Brazilian League, there are plenty of skillful and dumb players here lmao But now you see system is everything. I love seeing those after match system analysis and find out amazing things I didn't even realize. A football coach from my country even said smt like this, "Good football player isn't someone skillful, but someone who can pass and run a system" Sorry to sound rude. Every football fans knows how Brazilian had such a good football skill. But recently, I think you also agree that Brazil isn't a king at football anymore right? And that's probably because other nation, especially Europe had a better system play nowadays. And as I said, system>skill. I find it interesting that you even said Brazilian had a lot of skillful but dumb players 😅 To be honest, I believe that Brazil national squad is pretty much an european team, since they play similar kind of football and the roster pretty much plays in Europe. Those who don't fit that gamestyle won't succeed in the biggest european leagues, hence won't be international called as well. I agree with the premise that Brazil lost its crown, but the "Amarelinha" still seems elite among them. I do hope either Brazil or Argentine won the WC this year tbh. Europe been dominating WC for too long. Other continent won will be more interesting. Ah, yeah, I agree with that. It's kind of a thing that I don't know whether is positive or negative. When you allow players to play as youngsters in a freely way, you definitely let them grow as playmakers and their skills. I really don't like when teenagers play "leashed". I believe it's positive to let them be creative rather than disciplined. But, obviously, you gotta insert tactical discipline gradually as their career progresses, which I believe is the turning point for those who will succeed at international level or will always be the wonderkids that never lift off. Still, the Brazilian League has grown a lot lately, so the "football dinosaurs" are getting extinct and a more tactic oriented wave of coaches is taking over the scenario. The game is getting smarter here, but it takes time for it to be a general thing. |
May 28, 2022 12:08 PM
#33
| Aoi's weakness is that he only play for himself, not in team. |
May 29, 2022 10:43 PM
#34
| I understand the annoyance of anime onlys. But I tell you, Ashito has a great character development, actually all of them. His weakness is, he doesn't know how to play football, that's the truth and he will admit it later in the episodes and he will seek help to improve himself. This series is really amazing if you just have the patience and be open minded. Power of friendship? There's no such thing in Ao Ashi, BUT! there's this athletic behavior between coaches and teammates which they help each other to improve and of course for the benefit of the whole team. And his main weakness is, he's playing in a position that he's not meant to be if you know what I mean. I don't want to spoil so much so yeah. Just read the manga. |
RXZenMay 29, 2022 10:47 PM
May 30, 2022 3:17 AM
#35
sanjsteven24 said: I see Aoi in the latest episodes, the Head Coach said he can't play individual tactic. Can anyone explain this? Basically that's decision making, whether in attacking or defending. But the weakness of Ashito not only that, he also lack in basic skill like ball control/technique. vision = intuition but vision is not enough, imagine a person with great imagination but lack of drawing skill ToTheTopOfAnime said: Yui727 said: Your average shounen protagonist, then later some miraculous shit is probably gonna happen due to power of friendship, believing or some other cliche shit not really I mean this a realistic football anime so I imagine he will develop skills and understand where he is wrong Well, maybe Yami was right, but that not as easy as he said lol |
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