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May 9, 2022 6:03 AM
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Ahh yes, this would be how Isekai's should be if they are not on speedrun mode. Good world building, understandable characters which is THE OPPOSITE OF BLAND SELF INSERTS OUT THERE, and the point of this thread which is the pacing. Well, if all of the Isekai's are like Mushoku Tensei, I bet it will be as the same that people will call it generic or cliché something if it was the norm. Good thing this one is unique.

PS: I still enjoy other Isekai's out there even if they are trash, so I am also part of your Isekai-trash enjoyer club! XD
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Yeah Mushoku is goated definitely one of my fav isikai out there i would recommend watching rezero as well if you havent yet
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Himura_Jay said:
Ahh yes, this would be how Isekai's should be if they are not on speedrun mode. Good world building, understandable characters which is THE OPPOSITE OF BLAND SELF INSERTS OUT THERE, and the point of this thread which is the pacing. Well, if all of the Isekai's are like Mushoku Tensei, I bet it will be as the same that people will call it generic or cliché something if it was the norm. Good thing this one is unique.

PS: I still enjoy other Isekai's out there even if they are trash, so I am also part of your Isekai-trash enjoyer club! XD

actually every isekai is different and good, its just that we assume that if the plot is similar to others its trash, but actually if it was really trash people wouldn't enjoy it and there would be that many isekais to begin with.
having said that, yeah mushoku tensei offers what a masterpiece anime would, character development, insane animations, great fights, good romantic scenes and spices in between, making for a great experience and i wouldn't complain if other isekai animes learn from it to include everything in right proportions to make their characters look more human than robots.
May 9, 2022 6:14 AM
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Totally agree this is one of the best isekai out there ....an amazing world development beautiful and defined ...good characters with nice character development and it's crazy how many things this anime can do in the future considering the way the story is progressing.


P.S. I really like the fact that unlike most of the other isekai the MC is not crazy strong from the beginning ...he sure is talented but he remembers the lessons from his past life and works hard in the isekai world, those "lessons" were the fuel that drove his character throughout (and I really loved the way he breaks his shell and faces his past life trauma by sheer will)
May 9, 2022 6:32 AM
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humblewatcher said:
Himura_Jay said:
Ahh yes, this would be how Isekai's should be if they are not on speedrun mode. Good world building, understandable characters which is THE OPPOSITE OF BLAND SELF INSERTS OUT THERE, and the point of this thread which is the pacing. Well, if all of the Isekai's are like Mushoku Tensei, I bet it will be as the same that people will call it generic or cliché something if it was the norm. Good thing this one is unique.

PS: I still enjoy other Isekai's out there even if they are trash, so I am also part of your Isekai-trash enjoyer club! XD

actually every isekai is different and good, its just that we assume that if the plot is similar to others its trash, but actually if it was really trash people wouldn't enjoy it and there would be that many isekais to begin with.
having said that, yeah mushoku tensei offers what a masterpiece anime would, character development, insane animations, great fights, good romantic scenes and spices in between, making for a great experience and i wouldn't complain if other isekai animes learn from it to include everything in right proportions to make their characters look more human than robots.

Spirit Chronicles exists, so no.
Not every single one.

May 9, 2022 6:34 AM
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Piromysl said:
humblewatcher said:

actually every isekai is different and good, its just that we assume that if the plot is similar to others its trash, but actually if it was really trash people wouldn't enjoy it and there would be that many isekais to begin with.
having said that, yeah mushoku tensei offers what a masterpiece anime would, character development, insane animations, great fights, good romantic scenes and spices in between, making for a great experience and i wouldn't complain if other isekai animes learn from it to include everything in right proportions to make their characters look more human than robots.

Spirit Chronicles exists, so no.
Not every single one.

for you maybe, I didnt say anyone and everyone will like everything. there are people that like spirit chronicles, then there are people who have read the story and dislike it because it could have been so much better, even mushoku tensei has been given one star by some so i am talking in general. Personally spirit chronicles is fun for me and I gave it an 8 but yeah it could have been so much better and I might change it to a 7 in future if the sequel turns as the same and doesnt develope properly.
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Whenever people talks about mushoku tensei worldbuilding, it reminds me of this thread

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1969968 (which i surprisingly agree wholeheartedly with op of that thread. but it's selling point is family drama and not worldbuilding, so i scored that show high)

surely most people on mal have something else in mind when they say world building. (my assumption is people here think its either scenery porn or fleshed out character relationships)
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humblewatcher said:
Piromysl said:

Spirit Chronicles exists, so no.
Not every single one.

for you maybe, I didnt say anyone and everyone will like everything. there are people that like spirit chronicles, then there are people who have read the story and dislike it because it could have been so much better, even mushoku tensei has been given one star by some so i am talking in general. Personally spirit chronicles is fun for me and I gave it an 8 but yeah it could have been so much better and I might change it to a 7 in future if the sequel turns as the same and doesnt develope properly.

Bruh.
Spirit Chronicles is an absolute crime upon originality and author seemingly did not put any effort in anything he spawn, which makes SAO look like masterpiece in comparison.
It is so GENERIC, that there is not a single thing that is remotely original in this show and doesn't seem like being ripped out of some different Isekai trash. It's just a clump od poorly executed clichés and tropes.

You may enjoy this garbage, but it being straight up bad and the very thing that most of seasonal, forgettable isekai being merely accused of is not really subjective.
I tried really hard to find any redeeming quality in it, but just can't.

May 9, 2022 6:43 AM
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Piromysl said:
humblewatcher said:

for you maybe, I didnt say anyone and everyone will like everything. there are people that like spirit chronicles, then there are people who have read the story and dislike it because it could have been so much better, even mushoku tensei has been given one star by some so i am talking in general. Personally spirit chronicles is fun for me and I gave it an 8 but yeah it could have been so much better and I might change it to a 7 in future if the sequel turns as the same and doesnt develope properly.

Bruh.
Spirit Chronicles is an absolute crime upon originality and author seemingly did not put any effort in anything he spawn, which makes SAO look like masterpiece in comparison.
It is so GENERIC, that there is not a single thing that is remotely original in this show and doesn't seem like being ripped out of some different Isekai trash. It's just a clump od poorly executed clichés and tropes.

You may enjoy this garbage, but it being straight up bad and the very thing that most of seasonal, forgettable isekai being merely accused of is not really subjective.
I tried really hard to find any redeeming quality in it, but just can't.

I totally get that and respect your opinion, because there are many that say the similar things about sao, one piece , black clover, demon slayer and every other anime and its not wrong, everyone can have their different opinions and i agree to it.
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Surely Mushoku Tensei worldbuilding is fantastic! I like catgirls!



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World class character dynamics and theme setting,truly the zenith of isekai.
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Adampk said:
Whenever people talks about mushoku tensei worldbuilding, it reminds me of this thread

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1969968 (which i surprisingly agree wholeheartedly with op of that thread. but it's selling point is family drama and not worldbuilding, so i scored that show high)

surely most people on mal have something else in mind when they say world building. (my assumption is people here think its either scenery porn or fleshed out character relationships)
Well, when I said "understandable characters", it involves how the family portrayal was shown. Despite of his father's shenanigans, their story really touched me. But still for me Paul is really a good father that he really reached me out on his episode. Well, putting his shenanigans aside and sometimes out of the line thinking regarding his son, he really is a good father figure.
May 9, 2022 7:48 AM
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Yea Mushoku is one of the best Isekai out there. Top 3 maybe albeit the competition is pretty bad. Most isekai are passable at best
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Himura_Jay said:
Ahh yes, this would be how Isekai's should be if they are not on speedrun mode. Good world building, understandable characters which is THE OPPOSITE OF BLAND SELF INSERTS OUT THERE, and the point of this thread which is the pacing. Well, if all of the Isekai's are like Mushoku Tensei, I bet it will be as the same that people will call it generic or cliché something if it was the norm. Good thing this one is unique.

PS: I still enjoy other Isekai's out there even if they are trash, so I am also part of your Isekai-trash enjoyer club! XD

So there's a thing like enjoy-isekai-trash club huh.
Unfortunately, I'm from the isekai-were-trash-for-others-but-the-only-problem-was-the-animation-for-me club.
It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines
and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it,
is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service.
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Is that so? Okay then.
May 9, 2022 10:00 AM
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Try reading Tbate, it's also one of the best Isekai in my opinion.
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I would somewhat agree with you, but the characters single handedly brought this show down (except for maybe ruijerd). So yeah isekais should be like this but its better if they dont get influenced by its characters.
If you enjoyed the time you wasted, then its not a waste of time.

May 9, 2022 10:33 AM
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Part 2 was a 9/10 for me
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Yes, YEs, YES. I fucking AGREE. I agree so hard infact. I put it in my top 33333333333. wowee. Certain bozos dislike the show. Let them remain as bozos.
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yep agree, it’s in my top 3-way-tie of anime
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Piromysl said:
humblewatcher said:

actually every isekai is different and good, its just that we assume that if the plot is similar to others its trash, but actually if it was really trash people wouldn't enjoy it and there would be that many isekais to begin with.
having said that, yeah mushoku tensei offers what a masterpiece anime would, character development, insane animations, great fights, good romantic scenes and spices in between, making for a great experience and i wouldn't complain if other isekai animes learn from it to include everything in right proportions to make their characters look more human than robots.

Spirit Chronicles exists, so no.
Not every single one.

there is so much worse than seirei gensouki lol
Call me Ren
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Agreed. if they'd done without the pedo-baiting it would've been a masterpiece.
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Except, it does seem like a self-insert pandering to a perverted audience.
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humblewatcher said:
Himura_Jay said:
Ahh yes, this would be how Isekai's should be if they are not on speedrun mode. Good world building, understandable characters which is THE OPPOSITE OF BLAND SELF INSERTS OUT THERE, and the point of this thread which is the pacing. Well, if all of the Isekai's are like Mushoku Tensei, I bet it will be as the same that people will call it generic or cliché something if it was the norm. Good thing this one is unique.

PS: I still enjoy other Isekai's out there even if they are trash, so I am also part of your Isekai-trash enjoyer club! XD

actually every isekai is different and good, its just that we assume that if the plot is similar to others its trash, but actually if it was really trash people wouldn't enjoy it and there would be that many isekais to begin with.
having said that, yeah mushoku tensei offers what a masterpiece anime would, character development, insane animations, great fights, good romantic scenes and spices in between, making for a great experience and i wouldn't complain if other isekai animes learn from it to include everything in right proportions to make their characters look more human than robots.

Fax. Shield hero was my first isekai and I thought it slapped! It is relative because it depends on what show you watch first and how long you have been watching them. One of my first anime was Akame Ga Kill. Some people dislike it, but since it was my first(and because the emotion was so much better than live action tv) I rated it a 9. My first ecchi was Testament of Sister New Devil(I never watched DxD before that, so I loved it)
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Piromysl said:

Spirit Chronicles exists, so no.
Not every single one.

there is so much worse than seirei gensouki lol

I followed LNs more than anime.

For Seirei Gensouki, the anime and LN are very different. In anime, it is literally a wish fulfilment. In LN, it focuses more on protagonist’s multiple personality disorder (clash of memories in previous life and current life) and protagonist got injured and nearly died in Vol 18. In other words, TMS mishandled the anime adaptation (like what JC Staff did with Toaru Majutsu No Index).

In the next few years, there will be a lot of these types of isekai:
1) Reincarnated as a villainous. A lot of reincarnated as villainous, then some of them goes off to do some other things (like creating guns, becoming an adventurer, becoming a herbalist). Very shoujo.
2) Summoned/reincarnated into a world. Becomes overpowered and gets a harem of girls. Becoming more common.
3) Reincarnated as something else (Vending Machine, sword, dragon hatchling, etc). I heard that the reincarnated as a vending machine is really good but I have not read it.

There are a few isekai LNs that people are hyping about:
1) Torture Princess. Protagonist got tortured as a slave after reincarnation.
2) Upcoming Picnic. No idea what this is.
3) Campfire cooking in another world with my absurd skill. No idea what this is.

EDIT: To answer OP’s question, I don’t enjoy Mushoku Tensei anime at all, I find the ecchi moments distracting (I don’t mind ecchi but the moments come out at the most distracting time). A lot of people recommended the LNs, mentioning LN is better than the anime.
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Without the harem aspect this anime could easily be a 9/10 for me, maybe even a 10/10 if it gets even better
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Except, it does seem like a self-insert pandering to a perverted audience.


So everyone who likes this show is a pedophile then?

Rudeus is not a self insert in the slightest.
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dabdabgoose said:
official_brown said:
Except, it does seem like a self-insert pandering to a perverted audience.


So everyone who likes this show is a pedophile then?

Rudeus is not a self insert in the slightest.


No, of course not, is that the exact word I said? The character is made for self-insert, it’s not a negative thing, but that is what the show is doing. It inspires the audience to change like the MC, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t pander to a perverted audience, any ecchi is that way.
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official_brown said:
dabdabgoose said:


So everyone who likes this show is a pedophile then?

Rudeus is not a self insert in the slightest.


No, of course not, is that the exact word I said? The character is made for self-insert, it’s not a negative thing, but that is what the show is doing. It inspires the audience to change like the MC, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t pander to a perverted audience, any ecchi is that way.


You don't need to exactly say it, cour 1 implies it, who is getting off on the "ecchi" in episodes 6 and 8 specifically?

Self insert refers to blank slate characters to which an audience can project onto, if it referred to characters that may inspire the audience that can get very vague.
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dabdabgoose said:
official_brown said:


No, of course not, is that the exact word I said? The character is made for self-insert, it’s not a negative thing, but that is what the show is doing. It inspires the audience to change like the MC, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t pander to a perverted audience, any ecchi is that way.


You don't need to exactly say it, cour 1 implies it, who is getting off on the "ecchi" in episodes 6 and 8 specifically?

Self insert refers to blank slate characters to which an audience can project onto, if it referred to characters that may inspire the audience that can get very vague.


Well the entire show is considered an ecchi especially starting from episode 1, it’s not like it needs fanservice every episode. Self inserts can mean that or characters that are meant to be projected onto. Wimpy MCs and the like are not blank slates but are meant for the audience to relate to them.
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official_brown said:
dabdabgoose said:


You don't need to exactly say it, cour 1 implies it, who is getting off on the "ecchi" in episodes 6 and 8 specifically?

Self insert refers to blank slate characters to which an audience can project onto, if it referred to characters that may inspire the audience that can get very vague.


Well the entire show is considered an ecchi especially starting from episode 1, it’s not like it needs fanservice every episode. Self inserts can mean that or characters that are meant to be projected onto. Wimpy MCs and the like are not blank slates but are meant for the audience to relate to them.


It's not an Ecchi in the truest sense, it's just anime doesn't have a label for sexual themes so everything sexual gets labeled as Ecchi.

Fan service in general is generally the lucky pervert type of thing rather then actual sexual scenes.

Self inserts are supposed to be minimal in terms of self identity, that's why I brought up Kirito outside of achievements there is absolutely nothing outside the normal for his character.

Rudeus on the otherhand is a distinct character with issues distinct to himself, he comes from a very messed up past life and unlike general self insert protags once put in a new world shows that he is still that same person he was before, the environment doesn't hard reset his entire being, everything has it's explanations as to why it is that way, due to events that happened to him specifically rather then because that's the way it is.
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Agreed. if they'd done without the pedo-baiting it would've been a masterpiece.

shut the fuck up dude
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DoobieSam said:
Agreed. if they'd done without the pedo-baiting it would've been a masterpiece.

shut the fuck up dude


Found the lolicon lmfao
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Adampk said:
Whenever people talks about mushoku tensei worldbuilding, it reminds me of this thread

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1969968 (which i surprisingly agree wholeheartedly with op of that thread. but it's selling point is family drama and not worldbuilding, so i scored that show high)

surely most people on mal have something else in mind when they say world building. (my assumption is people here think its either scenery porn or fleshed out character relationships)

I think Mushoku tensei world building is better the more you pay attention to it. Different clothes, different buildings , ppl in the background doing their own stuff showing how each place has different lifestyles and the food as well . Even after watching it 4 times i still find new stuff which impresses me every time.
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Adampk said:
Whenever people talks about mushoku tensei worldbuilding, it reminds me of this thread

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1969968 (which i surprisingly agree wholeheartedly with op of that thread. but it's selling point is family drama and not worldbuilding, so i scored that show high)

surely most people on mal have something else in mind when they say world building. (my assumption is people here think its either scenery porn or fleshed out character relationships)

I think Mushoku tensei world building is better the more you pay attention to it. Different clothes, different buildings , ppl in the background doing their own stuff showing how each place has different lifestyles and the food as well . Even after watching it 4 times i still find new stuff which impresses me every time.

U could start by giving actual eg
Because from what I see demon lord wear similar cloth as ghislaine and that is definitely not for cultural reason. Roxy has a unique hat which none wear and doesn't seem like is representation of anything as of now. Most of what I saw is very basic with no back trace unless u show me otherwise with eg
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Adampk said:
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I think Mushoku tensei world building is better the more you pay attention to it. Different clothes, different buildings , ppl in the background doing their own stuff showing how each place has different lifestyles and the food as well . Even after watching it 4 times i still find new stuff which impresses me every time.

U could start by giving actual eg
Because from what I see demon lord wear similar cloth as ghislaine and that is definitely not for cultural reason. Roxy has a unique hat which none wear and doesn't seem like is representation of anything as of now. Most of what I saw is very basic with no back trace unless u show me otherwise with eg

See that's where you're wrong, what Ghislaine is wearing is a traditional coat/jacket given to the sword god practioners who've reached saint rank and above. it's like a uniform.

The guy who picked up Ghislaine is basically wearing the same coat

as her

Also Eris will later on get the same kind of coat/jacket


Mind you, north god practioners don't really have anything like an uniform neither do water god practioners tho they do tend to wear heavy armor because of how that style works.
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raditional coat/jacket given to the sword god practioners who've reached saint rank and above. it's like a uniform.

The guy who picked up Ghislaine is basically wearing the same coat

as her

Also Eris will later on get the same kind of coat/jacket


Isn't that literally same coat? because of direct teacher part? (i mean that guy appeared like 1 sec in anime, I expected her to have something for him, because it felt like he raised her)
I have not read the source. But do "all" sword god practioners who've reached saint rank really have it? or it's just backwards writing to form a connection for eris? ( i check fandom page there are other character who also qualify this. Do they also have that fur jacket?). just asking...
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Adampk said:
barmar said:
raditional coat/jacket given to the sword god practioners who've reached saint rank and above. it's like a uniform.

The guy who picked up Ghislaine is basically wearing the same coat

as her

Also Eris will later on get the same kind of coat/jacket


Isn't that literally same coat? because of direct teacher part? (i mean that guy appeared like 1 sec in anime, I expected her to have something for him, because it felt like he raised her)
I have not read the source. But do "all" sword god practioners who've reached saint rank really have it? or it's just backwards writing to form a connection for eris? ( i check fandom page there are other character who also qualify this. Do they also have that fur jacket?). just asking...

Nope not the same coat, like I said it's almost like a uniform, specifically mentioned in vol 15 of the LN
"the traditional overcoat granted to Sword Saints of the Sword God Style"
And here this is another character who's a sword saint and is wearing the same sort of uniform with stripped sleeves who'll appear in season 2.

It's kinda natural they would wear it considering it exemplifies the heights they've reached in sword god style and the honor they feel though it's up to the individual I guess.
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Himura_Jay said:
Ahh yes, this would be how Isekai's should be if they are not on speedrun mode. Good world building, understandable characters which is THE OPPOSITE OF BLAND SELF INSERTS OUT THERE, and the point of this thread which is the pacing. Well, if all of the Isekai's are like Mushoku Tensei, I bet it will be as the same that people will call it generic or cliché something if it was the norm. Good thing this one is unique.

PS: I still enjoy other Isekai's out there even if they are trash, so I am also part of your Isekai-trash enjoyer club! XD

actually every isekai is different and good, its just that we assume that if the plot is similar to others its trash, but actually if it was really trash people wouldn't enjoy it and there would be that many isekais to begin with.
having said that, yeah mushoku tensei offers what a masterpiece anime would, character development, insane animations, great fights, good romantic scenes and spices in between, making for a great experience and i wouldn't complain if other isekai animes learn from it to include everything in right proportions to make their characters look more human than robots.

good romantic scenes? only one that romance mf's would enjoy others is for hentai weebs good thing i have skip buttons

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