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Apr 26, 2022 11:52 AM
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I am SO tired of hearing the one, same grievance people have with this show. (i.e. Rudy’s perverted disposition). Congratulations, you understand that the protagonist (at least at the beginning of our journey) is deeply flawed and morally reprehensible. What also drives me crazy is that they use this and extrapolate to say that the show in its entirety is bad. This is very hypocritical, however. Off the top of your head think of all the anime or shows in general with deeply sinful/morally bankrupt individuals as the protagonist. Shows like “Breaking Bad”, for example. Yet, do we hear people saying this show is terrible because of Walter White’s character flaws? No! So why, simply because of Rudeus’ specific flaw of perversion, should it be any different. I stand firm in saying that Mushoku Tensei is an objectively well-made and compelling show. Here’s my diatribe:

The pacing is amazing. The world building is deeply immersive. The art
direction, backgrounds, and animation are gorgeous, consistent, and, at times,
genuinely stunning. The narrative is intriguing and plot points expertly
interwoven, balancing its light-hearted, serious, and comedic moments well. The
characters and their development are realistic and yet still entertaining and
greatly engaging. The sound design is wistful and perfectly suits the setting. I
would challenge anyone to find me an aspect of this show that it is not
masterfully and carefully crafted with immense detail, wit, and attention. Once again, I truthfully believe the only reason this anime is not more highly rated or
appreciated by the wider anime community is simply because of Rudeus'
character flaws. However, I am convinced this is unjustified. His flaws are a necessity for displaying the grand purposes of this story which are growth, familv, and redemption. The show certainly isn’t for everyone and it’s not entirely perfect (as there’s only so much you can adapt from the source materials), so I understand that. But calling it an objectively bad show based off personal taste is completely unfounded. I would encourage everyone to read the LN/WN. And the what shows does, it does incredibly well. If the quality of production keeps up, the show should only get better over time and very well could end up being one of the greatest anime of the decade if they continue to adapt it well. Thanks for coming to my Ted x Talk.

My personal score for MT in terms of the MAL ranking system (as of S1 Part 2): 8.95-9.05/10

Edit: For clarification, I am not saying you have to love Mushoku Tensei nor do I think it’s a masterpiece. The appreciation/enjoyment of art is purely subjective. That being said, I think it deserves its MAL rating and perhaps should even be a little higher imo. Furthermore, I also believe that it’s the best anime in the isekai genre (though Re:zero is a very close second). The only point I was trying to make here is that, in my experience, many people downplay/disregard the quality of the show as a whole almost entirely because of their distaste for the main character. I despise that position because it’s entirely illogical. As an example, I don’t particularly like the Fate franchise nor Gintama. Despite that, I can recognize the greatness in quality of these shows and appreciate them from a distance. As a final note, “over-hated” may have been a better word to use in the title of this post instead of overrated
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Apr 26, 2022 11:59 AM
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don't worry I didn't read the full thing, because I know this is the best isekai.
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Apr 26, 2022 12:00 PM
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I didn’t read it all, but it isnt underrated.
Apr 26, 2022 12:02 PM
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Bruh idk why people have preferences is a bad thing? Like they hate the show, get over it. People love the show, that’s cool. But come on, not liking Rudeus is valid and is dumb that people don’t like that stuff in their shows is an invalid opinion.
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Apr 26, 2022 12:08 PM
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Did you really create a new account just to say all of that.

Well either way its definitely not underrated. If anything, its a bit too overrated but who cares.
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Apr 26, 2022 12:13 PM
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There used to be a lot of haters but this is now very popular and not really underrated. so people just don't care about the haters anymore. There were some youtubers and some others who wanted to start drama by criticising Rudeus but didn't really work. So if you're wondering this show is very popular and extremely loved in Japan also around the world now. Don't worry about the future of this series.
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Apr 26, 2022 12:14 PM
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Did you really create a new account just to say all of that.

Well either way its definitely not underrated. If anything, its a bit too overrated but who cares.

Yea, perhaps underrated wasn’t right word to use, but I’m convinced it doesn’t get the praise it deserves. At the very least, that’s my conviction that I wanted to share with you all. And no, I didn’t make an account just for this post lol I did make it very recently though
Apr 26, 2022 12:15 PM
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Anilegos said:
There used to be a lot of haters but this is now very popular and not really underrated now but popular af. so people just don't care about the haters anymore. There were some youtubers and some others who wanted to start drama by criticising Rudeus but didn't really work. So if you're wondering this show is very popular and extremely loved in Japan also around the world now. Don't worry about the future of this series.

I’ll keep that in mind 👍
Apr 26, 2022 12:29 PM
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It's not underrated
it's overhatted cause they think it's pedo as Rudy is 44 acc to them (what they don't realise is that he's dead in that life, he was literally Reborn in this new world )
and people think that about it, so they don't bother even watching

And yep Novels are great, I'm at Ln vol 16 myself and the experience has been breathtaking
so many twists and turns ups and downs tragic moments horrifying chapters and sweet and wholesome arcs too, it doesn't feel like I am reading an isekai, MT is Life Itself and then brilliant character development of even side characters

and the fact that all this is just a prequel just makes me more excited for what's coming next
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First of all, it's not underrated. On the contrary, I'd argue that it's overrated to some extent. Just check out the rating. Of course, every person has a different view so it's impossible to define the reality. There is no objectivity in entertainment. This is entirely my opinion like you expressed yours.

Secondly, Rudy's flaw is quite... questionable. People are sensitive to sexual crimes (as they should) and the MC was borderline an offender/predator. Is there a cure? There is no concrete evidence in real life, so the initial hypothesis is negative. However, Mushoku is fiction and most of the times the protagonists find themselves and develop to a better version. Personally, I cannot like him but I consider the haters over-the-top to say at least. They can always drop it if they can't watch it. As you said, it's hypocrisy to judge the whole show by their hatred against the MC.

Last but not least, I don't consider the anime as good as you present it. I see it as a decent isekai but that's it. I'm sharing my opinion to show you that you have not to be a Rudy hater in order to rate MT low. Everyone has different standards and criteria.
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It's definitely not underrated I think it's deserves the rating it has imo
Apr 26, 2022 12:51 PM
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official_brown said:
Bruh idk why people have preferences is a bad thing? Like they hate the show, get over it. People love the show, that’s cool. But come on, not liking Rudeus is valid and is dumb that people don’t like that stuff in their shows is an invalid opinion.

You missed the point. He is not criticizing people for not liking Rudeus but rather for hating the show in it’s entirety without giving it a chance just because of Rudeus’s flaws which are essential to his character development.
Apr 26, 2022 12:56 PM
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First of all, it's not underrated. On the contrary, I'd argue that it's overrated to some extent. Just check out the rating. Of course, every person has a different view so it's impossible to define the reality. There is no objectivity in entertainment. This is entirely my opinion like you expressed yours.

Secondly, Rudy's flaw is quite... questionable. People are sensitive to sexual crimes (as they should) and the MC was borderline an offender/predator. Is there a cure? There is no concrete evidence in real life, so the initial hypothesis is negative. However, Mushoku is fiction and most of the times the protagonists find themselves and develop to a better version. Personally, I cannot like him but I consider the haters over-the-top to say at least. They can always drop it if they can't watch it. As you said, it's hypocrisy to judge the whole show by their hatred against the MC.

Last but not least, I don't consider the anime as good as you present it. I see it as a decent isekai but that's it. I'm sharing my opinion to show you that you have not to be a Rudy hater in order to rate MT low. Everyone has different standards and criteria.

Why do u think it's only a *decent* show. This anime is one of the most masterfully crafted and weaved anime's I've ever watched
Apr 26, 2022 1:04 PM
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Eren_Cho said:
First of all, it's not underrated. On the contrary, I'd argue that it's overrated to some extent. Just check out the rating. Of course, every person has a different view so it's impossible to define the reality. There is no objectivity in entertainment. This is entirely my opinion like you expressed yours.

Secondly, Rudy's flaw is quite... questionable. People are sensitive to sexual crimes (as they should) and the MC was borderline an offender/predator. Is there a cure? There is no concrete evidence in real life, so the initial hypothesis is negative. However, Mushoku is fiction and most of the times the protagonists find themselves and develop to a better version. Personally, I cannot like him but I consider the haters over-the-top to say at least. They can always drop it if they can't watch it. As you said, it's hypocrisy to judge the whole show by their hatred against the MC.

Last but not least, I don't consider the anime as good as you present it. I see it as a decent isekai but that's it. I'm sharing my opinion to show you that you have not to be a Rudy hater in order to rate MT low. Everyone has different standards and criteria.

Why do u think it's only a *decent* show. This anime is one of the most masterfully crafted and weaved anime's I've ever watched

It didn't offer me something new, exciting, fresh, or relatable. Simple as that. It can click with someone else though. Like I implied, this fact doesn't mean I disrespect it, it's just my opinion like everyone has theirs.
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MoustacheDino said:
Eren_Cho said:
First of all, it's not underrated. On the contrary, I'd argue that it's overrated to some extent. Just check out the rating. Of course, every person has a different view so it's impossible to define the reality. There is no objectivity in entertainment. This is entirely my opinion like you expressed yours.

Secondly, Rudy's flaw is quite... questionable. People are sensitive to sexual crimes (as they should) and the MC was borderline an offender/predator. Is there a cure? There is no concrete evidence in real life, so the initial hypothesis is negative. However, Mushoku is fiction and most of the times the protagonists find themselves and develop to a better version. Personally, I cannot like him but I consider the haters over-the-top to say at least. They can always drop it if they can't watch it. As you said, it's hypocrisy to judge the whole show by their hatred against the MC.

Last but not least, I don't consider the anime as good as you present it. I see it as a decent isekai but that's it. I'm sharing my opinion to show you that you have not to be a Rudy hater in order to rate MT low. Everyone has different standards and criteria.

Why do u think it's only a *decent* show. This anime is one of the most masterfully crafted and weaved anime's I've ever watched

Bro it’s his opinion. If you don’t like it, move on.
Apr 26, 2022 1:30 PM

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It's not underrated but it's overhated with the pedo aspect lmao.
Apr 26, 2022 1:30 PM
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Rembe said:
MoustacheDino said:

Why do u think it's only a *decent* show. This anime is one of the most masterfully crafted and weaved anime's I've ever watched

Bro it’s his opinion. If you don’t like it, move on.
nah im just asking why cos most of Mushoku tensei haters have literally no reason so i was trying to find out if he had a legitimate reason or he's just part of the Hater Bandwagon
Apr 26, 2022 1:32 PM
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Eren_Cho said:
MoustacheDino said:

Why do u think it's only a *decent* show. This anime is one of the most masterfully crafted and weaved anime's I've ever watched

It didn't offer me something new, exciting, fresh, or relatable. Simple as that. It can click with someone else though. Like I implied, this fact doesn't mean I disrespect it, it's just my opinion like everyone has theirs.
tbf mushoku tensei was the one that created all the ideas in the first place and other shows took inspiration from it
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I couldn't care less about Rudy's perverted disposition in theory, I was more annoyed by the fact that this perverted disposition isn't a personality flaw the show wanted to explore.

Many pieces of fiction have morally ambiguous characters, some of the greatest among them choose to completely explore the intricacies of their character's major personality flaws, for example; Walter White's pride and insatiable desire for a legacy is a central theme of Breaking Bad, Bojack Horseman's inability to not feed and use his own ego in toxic ways is thoroughly explored within Bojack Horseman. Gon's simple-mindedness and naivety is challenged and critiqued heavily in HunterXHunter.

Whereas, MT seems unenthused to explore this side of Rudy's personality and relegates it to a comedic punchline, acting as if it isn't a major character flaw at all. This seems inconsistent with the show itself because his perverted personality makes characters uncomfortable and annoyed on a constant basis throughout the episodes that have been adapted so far, so the show is definitely presenting this personality trait as a flaw.

The show masterfully explored Rudy's social anxiety and depression so it's a shame that it refuses to explore this side of his personality.

I don't think it is underappreciated or underrated since it's target audience is consistently giving the show praise (it won best 2021 anime on r/anime) and it is still in the top 40 anime of all time on MAL. I can definitely see this show improving and reaching much greater heights, but in my opinion there is far too much in the show that I've seen done before (even though I believe it does it really well) and even then Isekai's aren't exactly my cup of tea so I couldn't in good conscience give as high a score as OP gave it.
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Apr 26, 2022 1:34 PM
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MoustacheDino said:
Rembe said:

Bro it’s his opinion. If you don’t like it, move on.
nah im just asking why cos most of Mushoku tensei haters have literally no reason so i was trying to find out if he had a legitimate reason or he's just part of the Hater Bandwagon
Oh then my bad. Carry on.
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MoustacheDino said:
Eren_Cho said:

It didn't offer me something new, exciting, fresh, or relatable. Simple as that. It can click with someone else though. Like I implied, this fact doesn't mean I disrespect it, it's just my opinion like everyone has theirs.
tbf mushoku tensei was the one that created all the ideas in the first place and other shows took inspiration from it

The "other" shows must be very recent then, because MT is relatively new too. I only heard about the "finest assassin" getting inspiration from MT, which is cool too I guess. Anyway, it doesn't matter either way because again... different strokes for different folks.
Apr 26, 2022 1:59 PM
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lol, this isn't underrated in the slightest. your own personal rating is similar to the community rating.
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Bruh idk why people have preferences is a bad thing? Like they hate the show, get over it. People love the show, that’s cool. But come on, not liking Rudeus is valid and is dumb that people don’t like that stuff in their shows is an invalid opinion.

I think the point he’s trying to make is that people don’t like the show because of rudeus, not rudeus himself. The shows good, and it wouldn’t be the same without a character like him.
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official_brown said:
Bruh idk why people have preferences is a bad thing? Like they hate the show, get over it. People love the show, that’s cool. But come on, not liking Rudeus is valid and is dumb that people don’t like that stuff in their shows is an invalid opinion.

I think the point he’s trying to make is that people don’t like the show because of rudeus, not rudeus himself. The shows good, and it wouldn’t be the same without a character like him.

it wouldn't be the same indeed. it would be better.
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MoustacheDino said:
Rembe said:

Bro it’s his opinion. If you don’t like it, move on.
nah im just asking why cos most of Mushoku tensei haters have literally no reason so i was trying to find out if he had a legitimate reason or he's just part of the Hater Bandwagon

Damn bro, calling this show "decent" count as a hater now?
Apr 26, 2022 2:59 PM
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Damn, bro is mad that one of the most well-regarded shows of the last year isn't more beloved.

People can dislike stuff, especially if that stuff contains material that makes them uncomfortable. Stop fishing for attention.
Apr 26, 2022 3:10 PM
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You should research what "under-appreciated" and "under-rated" mean. imo it is perfectly rated and perfectly appreciated
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It’s both very highly rated and pretty popular. Not sure what your on about. Leave a review if you want to, this isn’t a thread for discussion. Quite frankly none of us are interested in what you personally think and your not inviting a discussion.

Also it’s none of your business if something make someone uncomfortable. They don’t have to watch it just because you won’t stop whining about why it’s actually really good. Rudy makes people, me included, uncomfortable. Because he’s a weirdo. Yes I agree its good writing, but that doesn’t mean people have to watch it or like it.
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underrated? it's overrated af.
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MoustacheDino said:
Rembe said:

Bro it’s his opinion. If you don’t like it, move on.
nah im just asking why cos most of Mushoku tensei haters have literally no reason so i was trying to find out if he had a legitimate reason or he's just part of the Hater Bandwagon

You don't need a reason to dislike something.You might dislike just because you don't like it. To me as long as someone has acc watched the show and is not just giving an opinion without knowing anything / not watching it and just joining the bandwagon it is valid and I respect it but ig that's just me
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As many people mentioned, underrated is not the right word to use.
MT is ranked No2 in Japan for 2021 anime. You can look it up in anikore.

MT is not my type of isekai. I prefer isekai that the protagonist enters the world with everything against him such as Shield Hero or Seirei Gensouki (LN version, anime is trash).

To me, MT is like 5/10. My biggest complaints are Rudy’s perverted behaviour (as you mentioned, I cannot stand him doing it to his older cousin), cliche anime archetypes, a tsundere, kuudere and dandere in his harem. The plot is interesting but I find the echo distracting (I can take ecchi but it is too distracting for the plot). I heard that the LN is better but I have too many LNs on hold to look into it.
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mushoku tensei is my personal #1 anime. people don’t like Rudeus’ perviness cause it’s understandably weird/repulsive. though it’s just a small minority that thinks that’s the reason this show is bad
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It's not underrated but it's overhated with the pedo aspect lmao.

Exactly my point. I believe it’s over-hated. It would be a problem if the show glorified Rudy’s behavior. But it doesn’t
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I couldn't care less about Rudy's perverted disposition in theory, I was more annoyed by the fact that this perverted disposition isn't a personality flaw the show wanted to explore.

Many pieces of fiction have morally ambiguous characters, some of the greatest among them choose to completely explore the intricacies of their character's major personality flaws, for example; Walter White's pride and insatiable desire for a legacy is a central theme of Breaking Bad, Bojack Horseman's inability to not feed and use his own ego in toxic ways is thoroughly explored within Bojack Horseman. Gon's simple-mindedness and naivety is challenged and critiqued heavily in HunterXHunter.

Whereas, MT seems unenthused to explore this side of Rudy's personality and relegates it to a comedic punchline, acting as if it isn't a major character flaw at all. This seems inconsistent with the show itself because his perverted personality makes characters uncomfortable and annoyed on a constant basis throughout the episodes that have been adapted so far, so the show is definitely presenting this personality trait as a flaw.

The show masterfully explored Rudy's social anxiety and depression so it's a shame that it refuses to explore this side of his personality.

I don't think it is underappreciated or underrated since it's target audience is consistently giving the show praise (it won best 2021 anime on r/anime) and it is still in the top 40 anime of all time on MAL. I can definitely see this show improving and reaching much greater heights, but in my opinion there is far too much in the show that I've seen done before (even though I believe it does it really well) and even then Isekai's aren't exactly my cup of tea so I couldn't in good conscience give as high a score as OP gave it.

I can understand where you’re coming and I do agree to an extent. However, keep in mind that the anime has only covered the first 6 volumes of a 25 volume series. There’s still so much more development to be had and expecting all of that to be explored in just the first season just isn’t realistic. Personally, I think the show has done a great job at least touching on all of Rudy’s character flaws while still introducing us to these characters and establishing the six-sided world. All of this considering we’re only 24 episodes in. Remember that Breaking Bad and BoJack Horseman have 5 & 6 seasons respectively. The story’s really just getting underway…
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What's next? redo of healer is a master piece that explores the power abuse of depraved people percieved as heroes and a vane cycle of revenge that ensues from it?

Mushoku tensei is not underrated. It's quite the opposite. There's just a group of people who deeply dislike the unnecessary amount of depravity stuffed into the characters. And, on the other hand, the majority of people believe that this obscenity brings depth to their evolution and redemption. That's why it's got such a high score.

Then you have to come and make the same post the aforementioned majority has already made an uncountable amount of times already to validate your already reinforced opinion that this mid show with extra ecchi is actually a masterpiece (it's not).

Also calling everyone who disagrees a hypocrite. But your premise is flawed: Unlike yourself, not everyone finds (deeply) morally flawed characters enjoyable to watch, but happen to dislike this one because he's a pedophile. Except this one is considerably more rotten, and being a pedophile is not his only defect. Know-it-all, loudmouth, clueless, molester, hypocrite, coward, ignorant and narcissistic idiot are some of the very accurate adjectives you can give rudeus.

Answer this: if some guy left a girl you cared about to be killed or raped, be it family or friend; Do you believe there's anything that guy could do after the fact to make you like him? What if he did the raping or killing himself? Point is: There are things that make a character completely unlikable, no matter what redemption story you give them.

MT is like someone giving an inspirational speech, but using an extreme amount of curse words and obscene language. Like making a cake in the shape of a dick. It just doesn't sit well with people.

Like I already, just because you find Rudeus to be a morally bankrupt and immature (as is the point) does not somehow take away from the fact the show is incredibly well-made. Just fyi if you didn’t already realize this, but I don’t like or support how Rudy views women. That being said, I still like and can appreciate his character as whole because he’s well-written, realistic, and someone I can empathize with.

Your post just proved the point I was trying to drive home, so thanks lol
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I am SO tired of hearing the one, same grievance people have with this show. (i.e. Rudy’s perverted disposition). Congratulations, you understand that the protagonist (at least at the beginning of our journey) is deeply flawed and morally reprehensible. What also drives me crazy is that they use this and extrapolate to say that the show in its entirety is bad. This is very hypocritical, however. Off the top of your head think of all the anime or shows in general with deeply sinful/morally bankrupt individuals as the protagonist. Shows like “Breaking Bad”, for example. Yet, do we hear people saying this show is terrible because of Walter White’s character flaws? No! So why, simply because of Rudeus’ specific flaw of perversion, should it be any different. I stand firm in saying that Mushoku Tensei is an objectively well-made and compelling show. Here’s my diatribe:

The pacing is amazing. The world building is deeply immersive. The art
direction, backgrounds, and animation are gorgeous, consistent, and, at times,
genuinely stunning. The narrative is intriguing and plot points expertly
interwoven, balancing its light-hearted, serious, and comedic moments well. The
characters and their development are realistic and yet still entertaining and
greatly engaging. The sound design is wistful and perfectly suits the setting. I
would challenge anyone to find me an aspect of this show that it is not
masterfully and carefully crafted with immense detail, wit, and attention. Once again, I truthfully believe the only reason this anime is not more highly rated or
appreciated by the wider anime community is simply because of Rudeus'
character flaws. However, I am convinced this is unjustified. His flaws are a necessity for displaying the grand purposes of this story which are growth, familv, and redemption. The show certainly isn’t for everyone and it’s not entirely perfect (as there’s only so much you can adapt from the source materials), so I understand that. But calling it an objectively bad show based off personal taste is completely unfounded. I would encourage everyone to read the LN/WN. And the what shows does, it does incredibly well. If the quality of production keeps up, the show should only get better over time and very well could end up being one of the greatest anime of the decade if they continue to adapt it well. Thanks for coming to my Ted x Talk.

My personal score for MT in terms of the MAL ranking system (as of S1 Part 2): 8.95-9.05/10

i understand how you feel about the series and completely agree. i’d just like to say, from a completely casual standpoint, the pervyness and the awful, sometimes uncomfortable character flaws can be a huge turn off for some people. of course, calling the series bad because of this would be missing the point, like you said
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lol no mt could never be called underrated after s1p2
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Its the opposite, in fact. He has flaws but they aren't portrayed as such and instead used for the sake of fanservice. That becomes not just his flaw but the show's as well. And no, good animation doesn't justify bad writing in any way. I mean, Demon Slayer has even superior production. Does that mean its a masterpiece? No.

A good example of how to use a flawed protagonist would be Natsuki Subaru. He has flaws which are ACTUALLY explored and even faces the consequences through which he eventually betters himself as a human being.

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tbf mushoku tensei was the one that created all the ideas in the first place and other shows took inspiration from it

Not really, that's incorrect. It only popularized the tropes in a fanfic website. Even at that time, isekai was popularized by SAO.
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Like I already, just because you find Rudeus to be a morally bankrupt and immature (as is the point) does not somehow take away from the fact the show is incredibly well-made. Just fyi if you didn’t already realize this, but I don’t like or support how Rudy views women. That being said, I still like and can appreciate his character as whole because he’s well-written, realistic, and someone I can empathize with.

Your post just proved the point I was trying to drive home, so thanks lol


I never said you think rudeus' obscenity is a good trait. But that you can enjoy rudeus in spite of it. The thing is, not a lot of people can.

And it isn't just him. The rest of the cast has, to some degree or another, moral defects. Some of them are tolerable, many of them aren't.

You didn't answer the question. Although I can asume that you would like the guy in spite of it, just like with rudeus.

I can't empathize at all with someone who gropes her cousin in her sleep, tries to takes her panties off, and ultimately has sex with her. Someone who doesn't learn from his mistakes and gets people hurt because he can't read the room. Someone who let's people die for the sake of optics and refuses to save enslaved little girls from scum that only really belong 6ft under because he's a coward. Someone who doesn't go to his parents funeral because he's busy masturbating in his room that he hasn't left in decades. You can? Speaks volumes...

Finally, you definitely have some tunnel vision or harcore fan allegiance to this show if you actually think it is the best written story of the year. It's not even that "realistic", which is a cringe euphemism to refer to crude, graphic and slightly disturbing fiction, and the mystery behind it's world and characters is nothing new amongst most acceptable isekai. Let alone actual fantasy or some sci fi.

Once again, the only thing thats particular and unique about mt (and just within the isekai genre) is the sexually perverted nature of the characters coupled with a slightly high quality production. Yet a lot of people seem to conflate that with "realism". Granted, it has some novelty to it, but using lime paper to clean your asshole must be pretty novel as well.

The story itself is not bad, but it's also not great. And the gross sexually deviant aspects of it only drag it down. It's like seasoning a good plate with dirt because it makes it more "interesting".
Apr 26, 2022 6:53 PM

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Ok, chill. It's not underrated nor is it under-appreciated. It's quite the opposite actually...

Maybe you delved too deep into the minority group?
Apr 26, 2022 7:52 PM
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isn't it the highest rated isekai on MAL/anilist?
Apr 26, 2022 8:24 PM
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I didn’t read your whole post but the people that talk trash on this show suck this is one of the best shows to come out last year if not the best show
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I am SO tired of hearing the one, same grievance people have with this show. (i.e. Rudy’s perverted disposition). Congratulations, you understand that the protagonist (at least at the beginning of our journey) is deeply flawed and morally reprehensible. What also drives me crazy is that they use this and extrapolate to say that the show in its entirety is bad. This is very hypocritical, however. Off the top of your head think of all the anime or shows in general with deeply sinful/morally bankrupt individuals as the protagonist. Shows like “Breaking Bad”, for example. Yet, do we hear people saying this show is terrible because of Walter White’s character flaws? No! So why, simply because of Rudeus’ specific flaw of perversion, should it be any different. I stand firm in saying that Mushoku Tensei is an objectively well-made and compelling show. Here’s my diatribe:

The pacing is amazing. The world building is deeply immersive. The art
direction, backgrounds, and animation are gorgeous, consistent, and, at times,
genuinely stunning. The narrative is intriguing and plot points expertly
interwoven, balancing its light-hearted, serious, and comedic moments well. The
characters and their development are realistic and yet still entertaining and
greatly engaging. The sound design is wistful and perfectly suits the setting. I
would challenge anyone to find me an aspect of this show that it is not
masterfully and carefully crafted with immense detail, wit, and attention. Once again, I truthfully believe the only reason this anime is not more highly rated or
appreciated by the wider anime community is simply because of Rudeus'
character flaws. However, I am convinced this is unjustified. His flaws are a necessity for displaying the grand purposes of this story which are growth, familv, and redemption. The show certainly isn’t for everyone and it’s not entirely perfect (as there’s only so much you can adapt from the source materials), so I understand that. But calling it an objectively bad show based off personal taste is completely unfounded. I would encourage everyone to read the LN/WN. And the what shows does, it does incredibly well. If the quality of production keeps up, the show should only get better over time and very well could end up being one of the greatest anime of the decade if they continue to adapt it well. Thanks for coming to my Ted x Talk.

My personal score for MT in terms of the MAL ranking system (as of S1 Part 2): 8.95-9.05/10

I dont know why its so hard to understand that not everyone is going to like the same things that you like.

Your post is basically saying noone should have their own opinions about an anime which is pretty ridiculous.

Some people aren't going to like Rudy and thats okay and honestly understandable. (I mean we are talking about a dude that instead of going to his parents funeral stayed home and pleasured himself to loli videos). Most people don't like pedophiles and molesters. They don't even like those people in prison.

Your comparison to Walter white is quite silly.
Noone is saying they don't like characters who have moral flaws. They are saying they specifically don't like rudy in their opinion.


Mushoku Tensei is doing well man, its not underrated or under appreciated. In the beginning a studio was created just for adapting it, they are making season 2, the ln is regarded as a respected and og isekai. So honestly who cares that some people dislike it.

but I will say MT did get shafted at the anime awards.

I agree with @IhnalakoKaina post. Very well said and explained.
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PgkMAL0215 said:
I am SO tired of hearing the one, same grievance people have with this show. (i.e. Rudy’s perverted disposition). Congratulations, you understand that the protagonist (at least at the beginning of our journey) is deeply flawed and morally reprehensible. What also drives me crazy is that they use this and extrapolate to say that the show in its entirety is bad. This is very hypocritical, however. Off the top of your head think of all the anime or shows in general with deeply sinful/morally bankrupt individuals as the protagonist. Shows like “Breaking Bad”, for example. Yet, do we hear people saying this show is terrible because of Walter White’s character flaws? No! So why, simply because of Rudeus’ specific flaw of perversion, should it be any different. I stand firm in saying that Mushoku Tensei is an objectively well-made and compelling show. Here’s my diatribe:

The pacing is amazing. The world building is deeply immersive. The art
direction, backgrounds, and animation are gorgeous, consistent, and, at times,
genuinely stunning. The narrative is intriguing and plot points expertly
interwoven, balancing its light-hearted, serious, and comedic moments well. The
characters and their development are realistic and yet still entertaining and
greatly engaging. The sound design is wistful and perfectly suits the setting. I
would challenge anyone to find me an aspect of this show that it is not
masterfully and carefully crafted with immense detail, wit, and attention. Once again, I truthfully believe the only reason this anime is not more highly rated or
appreciated by the wider anime community is simply because of Rudeus'
character flaws. However, I am convinced this is unjustified. His flaws are a necessity for displaying the grand purposes of this story which are growth, familv, and redemption. The show certainly isn’t for everyone and it’s not entirely perfect (as there’s only so much you can adapt from the source materials), so I understand that. But calling it an objectively bad show based off personal taste is completely unfounded. I would encourage everyone to read the LN/WN. And the what shows does, it does incredibly well. If the quality of production keeps up, the show should only get better over time and very well could end up being one of the greatest anime of the decade if they continue to adapt it well. Thanks for coming to my Ted x Talk.

My personal score for MT in terms of the MAL ranking system (as of S1 Part 2): 8.95-9.05/10

Edit: For clarification, I am not saying you have to love Mushoku Tensei nor do I think it’s a masterpiece. The appreciation/enjoyment of art is purely subjective. That being said, I think it deserves its MAL rating and perhaps should even be a little higher imo. Furthermore, I also believe that it’s the best anime in the isekai genre (though Re:zero is a very close second). The only point I was trying to make here is that, in my experience, many people downplay/disregard the quality of the show as a whole almost entirely because of their distaste for the main character. I despise that position because it’s entirely illogical. As an example, I don’t particularly like the Fate franchise nor Gintama. Despite that, I can recognize the greatness in quality of these shows and appreciate them from a distance. As a final note, “over-hated” may have been a better word to use in the title of this post instead of overrated

who tf reads all that crap ! but one thing that I can say is that this show is not underrated and underappeciated at all




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Well,tbh,Even though the world building and psychological aspects are one of the greatest in recent years,but still,the ecchi stuff overshadows the appeasing stuff for some people.
Apr 27, 2022 1:32 AM
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Definitely not Underrated and Under-appreciated
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I don't read it but it's one of the best isekai anime,and I think it wasn't that much underrated
Apr 27, 2022 4:10 AM
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bro its got a 8.75 rating. thats not underrated
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it is not underrated in the slightest lol. it is one of the best isekais
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saying a show is underrated and then giving it a score that closely resembles its MAL score. doesn't make sense. plus it's in the top 50 so it's no where near underrated
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