kuroshiroi said: HikariAkai said: Don't worry, it's not just the Japanese public, it's any public. Anything that's popular is automatically fail and anything that's obscure is automatically good. This is a proven law in Eliteville, population 1.Because Japan is an epic fail. All the fail crap is over hyped, and the good stuff is shoved into nonexistence. This is just more reminder of what a fail the Japanese public is. You, my friend, are my hero. |
| Yesterday's ratings, from 2ch: 1.6% - 24:45-25:45 - Fuji TV - noitaminA - Yojouhan Shinwa Taikei - Saraiya Goyou 2.2% - 25:25-25:55 - TBS - Ookiku Furikabutte ~Natsu no Taikai-hen~ Ouch, noitaminA. To me, this sort of screams "get back to animating josei instead of experimenting with crazy shows" (Kuuchuu Buranko bombed, Yojouhan is probably going to)... but that must be because I don't care for these shows, & am dying to watch Kuragehime already. |
| What?! This is disturbing. Saraiya Goyou really interests me, both story and in art. The art is kinda fresh but it isn't disturbing. Really, people nowadays are too hooked up with stereotypical shounen/shoujo anime shows. |
Ahuri said: Yesterday's ratings, from 2ch: 1.6% - 24:45-25:45 - Fuji TV - noitaminA - Yojouhan Shinwa Taikei - Saraiya Goyou Yeah, pretty low, but not unexpected. |
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| I think many people are still confused about the expanded slot and the 'otherness' of those shows, so they need some time to get used to them, especially because they start relatively late in the season...those were all rather bad decisions regarding series' like that. I just hope they don't ditch the whole concept of giving 'strange' shows a chance with noitamina |
Waiting for: God Eater (PSP) 私が、探偵だからよ。 |
| It's Noitamina. I thought everything on that timeslot was destined to have low ratings. Saraiya Goyou just happened to be the lowest. |
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| The producer needs to know that the problem is not Saraiya Goyou or all the previous Noitamina anime. The problem is the people and their bad taste. Saraiya Goyou is a great anime. It's not the staff's fault that it can't mingle with all the moe-bishie-emo crap that is spreading among the industry. This news is ridiculous. The producer should be more proud. |
mirichan00 said: The producer needs to know that the problem is not Saraiya Goyou or all the previous Noitamina anime. The problem is the people and their bad taste. Saraiya Goyou is a great anime. It's not the staff's fault that it can't mingle with all the moe-bishie-emo crap that is spreading among the industry. This news is ridiculous. The producer should be more proud. You are a fool. The purpose of anime is to make money. If your anime can't make money, then you have failed. He was even warned by his team about this, but he ignored them. In business, you can never EVER blame the consumers if your product does not sell. No producer will ever be proud about not making money (unless it's the ef anime, but that one did sell a lot, just that they overshot their budget). tl;dr: if an anime doesn't sell/get rating, it is a commercial failure. That is fact. |
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DmonHiro said: You are a fool. The purpose of anime is to make money. If your anime can't make money, then you have failed. He was even warned by his team about this, but he ignored them. In business, you can never EVER blame the consumers if your product does not sell. No producer will ever be proud about not making money (unless it's the ef anime, but that one did sell a lot, just that they overshot their budget). tl;dr: if an anime doesn't sell/get rating, it is a commercial failure. That is fact. No need to offend or to state the obvious. Though, it only took me a single view at your list to understand your comment. Commercial failure and quality may not always go together. That was just the point I was trying to make. So yeah, call me a fool. |
mirichan00 said: Commercial failure and quality may not always go together. That was just the point I was trying to make. So yeah, call me a fool. Yes, making a quality product may not always insure success, but the reason I called you a fool is because you were saying that it's the viewers' fault that the show is getting bad ratings. All I'm saying is that the viewer is never to blame for the ratings, it's always the product. If you want to make a highly artistic experimental anime, that's fine. Good on you, but don't complain when you don't make any money off it. As a director, you should know the marker well enough to know what could generate a profit and what could not. This guy seems to have known he was going against that, but didn't care, so he gets no sympathy from me, now that his show bombed. |
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| It is a great shame that House of Five Leaves has been such a commercial failure, I think we can all agree that it deserves better. To say that viewers or producers caused it I believe is both right and wrong in various ways. The fact is that the anime industry is suffering pretty badly. Studios make shows to appeal to fans, the fans mindlessly gobble it up, the shows succeed and all is well. At this point it would be stupid to try and break from the norm. When the novelty of a type of show wears off, however, the formula for success that has gradually emerged becomes useless and the hunt for a new big thing begins anew. Just look at the moe boom of the last few years and you should see it has oversaturated the market. Many people were annoyed by the announcement that there would be a second series of K-ON and there would be more moe shows this season, so experiments like House of Five Leaves are necessary to try and find something new that will make money. However, if studios were more diverse in their program creation then issues like this would be less likely to arise, as then there would be a wider selection of known ways to succeed instead of having seasons almost exclusively filled with slice of life shows about high school girls or whatever the latest fad is. TL:DR. I think it's not the fans or the producers of the show that are to blame so much as the obnoxiously one track mind of the anime industry. |
| Baking anime themed cookies is my jam! |
Hatman said: TL:DR. I think it's not the fans or the producers of the show that are to blame so much as the obnoxiously one track mind of the anime industry. I agree with most of your comment but what is the anime industry made of if not of its fans and producers/studios? Maybe it is best if we dump the guilt on luck... |
| I'm not the least bit surprised. Looking at the DVD sales and popularity of various shows, when is the last time a true seinen has done well? Seinen is a genre virtually doomed to failure these days in the anime market, regardless of quality. Look at Kaiji, One Outs, Kaiba, even shows like Michiko to Hatchin and to a lesser extent Detroit Metal City. (At the least the latter roughly broke even) The things that make money are softcore porn shows with 12 year old-looking girls AND/OR adaptations of popular visual novels AND/OR simplistic shoujo AND/OR slice of life high school romcoms AND/OR the less macho, more cartoony shounen. With a few exceptions, that pretty much covers everything that has done well in the last 2-3 years. So essentially, producers are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They can either make pandering crap which still has no guarantee of making money because of how similar all these shows are, or make a potentially great show that will lose them money. The conclusion being that working in the anime industry is not worth it. Small wonder guys like Watanabe, Kon, and Kawajiri have been inactive. |
kuroshiroi said: Doesn't interest female viewers, apparently it's a seinen about Samurai. Please don't stereotype girls. There are those of us who are interested in shows like these. |
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| no second season...? *sniff sniff* *cries* |
| "...our faces marked by toil, by deceptions, by success, by love; our weary eyes looking still, looking always, looking anxiously for something out of life, that while it is expected is already gone – has passed unseen, in a sigh, in a flash – together with the youth, with the strength, with the romance of illusions.” - Joseph Conrad ('Youth') |
| Yes, i'm a female too and this story is really interesting to me. Dont expect all female to dislike this just because it's seinen. >_< I have other female friends who are in love with this anime too. |
| No moe ...is seems to be the problem ... |
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