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Apr 13, 2010 9:04 AM
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Tachii said:
Go ask the Japanese. They love to censor the genitalia, while showing some unique porn that's rarely seen in any other culture. Amazing really.

More like they have to, not that they like to...
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Apr 13, 2010 9:26 AM

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tesiga2003 said:
Tachii said:
Go ask the Japanese. They love to censor the genitalia, while showing some unique porn that's rarely seen in any other culture. Amazing really.

More like they have to, not that they like to...
I really can't form that conclusion when the West do not (or not often) censor the genitalia in porn. I mean, why does the Japanese have to, and not the West? I can't see this in any other way than some cultural difference, which is why I exaggerated love for a longer phrase to get the message across.
Apr 13, 2010 12:20 PM
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Tachii said:
tesiga2003 said:
Tachii said:
Go ask the Japanese. They love to censor the genitalia, while showing some unique porn that's rarely seen in any other culture. Amazing really.

More like they have to, not that they like to...
I really can't form that conclusion when the West do not (or not often) censor the genitalia in porn. I mean, why does the Japanese have to, and not the West? I can't see this in any other way than some cultural difference, which is why I exaggerated love for a longer phrase to get the message across.
You seriously dont know about the Japanese censorship laws?
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Apr 13, 2010 12:24 PM

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tesiga2003 said:
Tachii said:
tesiga2003 said:
Tachii said:
Go ask the Japanese. They love to censor the genitalia, while showing some unique porn that's rarely seen in any other culture. Amazing really.

More like they have to, not that they like to...
I really can't form that conclusion when the West do not (or not often) censor the genitalia in porn. I mean, why does the Japanese have to, and not the West? I can't see this in any other way than some cultural difference, which is why I exaggerated love for a longer phrase to get the message across.
You seriously dont know about the Japanese censorship laws?

great law, most of the censorship consists only of a small black line across the genitals anyway...
Apr 14, 2010 2:43 PM

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The purpose of making real child porn illegal is to prevent minors from being taken advantage of. Correct?
I'll admit, I think any form of child porn, real or drawn, is disgusting, but if it's drawn, nobody is hurt. Nobody loses anything. This is one thing that should be left up to the culture to decide, and if there are branches of the culture that enjoy virtual kiddies goin' at it, so be it. Nobody loses anything. Not a single thing.


The only problem with your post is calling drawings child porn. If it's drawn it cannot be child porn because it isn't real.


Yes and No, if it's a drawing of a real person, then it's child pornography, if it's fictional character then it's not child pornography.


If it's drawn it's still a drawing. It wouldn't be child porn regardless.
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I find it amusing how anything that is even remotely accosiated with sex or sexuality is in danger of being banned, if it hasn't been banned already.
I've said something similar to this today, and i'm starting to feel that i'm repeating myself.
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not like anybody would fight against the law. What politician would want everyone to know they like loli cartoons?
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"Child pornography refers to images or films (also known as child abuse images) and in some cases writings depicting sexually explicit activities involving a child; as such, child pornography is a record of child sexual abuse."

If you go just by the look of the character then yes it could be considered child porn but you simply cannot go by looks alone.

The problem is that in hentai these characters really don't have a age and are not real so they cannot be called children or child porn by this definition. There is also no abuse in it... either way it shouldn't be banned.


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I'll say what I said in another thread:

The reason real child pornography is banned, and rightfully so, is that we as a society have deemed that a child can not properly consent to sexual acts when they are still a minor. We step in to protect them from themselves.

With a drawing of a fictional character, there is no consent to be had. There is nobody to protect. Banning fictitious pornography of any kind is not only terribly hard to enforce and a waste of time, but isn't doing anything but censoring art. We don't ban the depiction of child murderers in literature.
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I shall not allow my lolis to be taken away! D:
lol!


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Drunk_Samurai said:
Jigero said:
Drunk_Samurai said:
zharnotczar said:
The purpose of making real child porn illegal is to prevent minors from being taken advantage of. Correct?
I'll admit, I think any form of child porn, real or drawn, is disgusting, but if it's drawn, nobody is hurt. Nobody loses anything. This is one thing that should be left up to the culture to decide, and if there are branches of the culture that enjoy virtual kiddies goin' at it, so be it. Nobody loses anything. Not a single thing.


The only problem with your post is calling drawings child porn. If it's drawn it cannot be child porn because it isn't real.


Yes and No, if it's a drawing of a real person, then it's child pornography, if it's fictional character then it's not child pornography.


If it's drawn it's still a drawing. It wouldn't be child porn regardless.


Not what the law says, if you draw a real child it's still child pornography.

(8) “child pornography” means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where—
(A) the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
(B) such visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or
(C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.

Drawings of fictional characters is not child pornography.
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Jigero said:
Drunk_Samurai said:
Jigero said:
Drunk_Samurai said:
zharnotczar said:
The purpose of making real child porn illegal is to prevent minors from being taken advantage of. Correct?
I'll admit, I think any form of child porn, real or drawn, is disgusting, but if it's drawn, nobody is hurt. Nobody loses anything. This is one thing that should be left up to the culture to decide, and if there are branches of the culture that enjoy virtual kiddies goin' at it, so be it. Nobody loses anything. Not a single thing.


The only problem with your post is calling drawings child porn. If it's drawn it cannot be child porn because it isn't real.


Yes and No, if it's a drawing of a real person, then it's child pornography, if it's fictional character then it's not child pornography.


If it's drawn it's still a drawing. It wouldn't be child porn regardless.


Not what the law says, if you draw a real child it's still child pornography.

(8) “child pornography” means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where—
(A) the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
(B) such visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or
(C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.

Drawings of fictional characters is not child pornography.


Doesn't matter what the law says. The law is wrong. That's the same law that says lolicon is child porn.
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