Attack on Titan
| Do you think he's been unreasonable? Should he just accept the fate of paradis in favor of the rest of the world? This isn't about whether it's morally justified or whether it's right or wrong. It's more about whether it makes sense for Eren to do it based on his circumstances and what he's been through. |
| Yes, I blame Eren. I think that there could have been other solutions, more diplomatic ways of solving the conflict or at least trying instead of razing everything to the ground. He said before in a conversation with Armin and Mikasa that they needed more time, and Gabi's example shows that both sides can come to understand each other. It won't happen over time, but it will. At this point, I'm looking forward to see his friends reactions. I'm also alarmed by the number of people who don't blame him and find his actions justifiable or understandable. |
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| Eren has 4-5 years left as a titan shifter, so any long term use of the Founding Titans power is impossible as there isn't any royal blood titans anymore. That's why Eren seized the opportunity with Zeke, and rather than waiting 50 years for his people to get on equal footing, he just threw the entirety of the rest of the world 50 years back in terms of progress. I mean can't blame him there was no other way, and he is doing this for his friends, he wouldnt like making Historia or her child a Royal Blood Titan and keep the rest of the world at bay because they would die in 13 years. He wants his friends to live long lives, so Historia or her child becoming a titan is against Eren's views. Therefore he has to start and finish it himself |
CreepHazardFeb 6, 2022 9:45 PM
Plot twist: King Fritz let the pigs out and started this whole thing. |
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CreepHazard said: Eren has 1 year left as a titan shifter, so any long term use of the Founding Titans power is impossible as there isn't any royal blood titans anymore. Actually Eren has about 5 years or a little less than that before he dies. It's Zeke who has about 1 year left. |
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DEG I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD, I WAS SINGING THAT SONG JUST A FEW SECONDS AGO. WTH |
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samashi20 said: oh yeah true. I confused between those two. Still a long term use is impossible cuz 4 years is not making much of a differenceCreepHazard said: Eren has 1 year left as a titan shifter, so any long term use of the Founding Titans power is impossible as there isn't any royal blood titans anymore. Actually Eren has about 5 years or a little less than that before he dies. It's Zeke who has about 1 year left. |
| when the pigs are sus 😳 |
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| I can see where he is coming from but killing all of humanity is a little bit unreasonable. |
| It is consistent with the theme of his character and his motivations to an extent, for now at least. |
| the fandom literally went from "eren is a useless crybaby" to "eren is the greatest ever" |
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Obscure_Otaku said: Those titans in the city can barely hold against a small offense from a single country how would they ever hold on against whole world...Oh so he's gonna go visit every country 1by1 and take their weapons and destroy weapon factories in EVERY CITY 1 by 1 by 1? Which ofc totally gonna work any different than literally attacking every city and destroying it all....sarthak_dms said: do you think a mere island can ever compare to entire world in terms of military This mere island has lots of titans so I think yes Even by the off chance we assume everything went well and they actually only destroyed their weponry, docks,factories and killed soldiers that will only make them resent Eldians more and whole world will unite and work harder to rebuild their armies the moment Titans leave and strike harder... This is what bothers me the most with people criticising late AoT and Eren... They can only think of short term results of their headcanon plan and delude themselves into thinking it's a better plan and Eren is too dumb to go through with that... |
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| Yes...and Ymir is a second close choice, together with her king she so kindly protected... MF had the power to influence the past and he chose to make things as they are....bad....because "if someone steals my freedom I'm gonna be mad and steal theirs"!! Eren is the ultimate revenge fantasy self-insert character... |
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| Yes because there are certainly other groups of people out there that have never even encountered Eldians and they have been ordered an execution because of the way Marley treated Eldians. He's just a tragic vengeful character. |
| Is it logical? Yes. Is it justified? No. |
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anikevin said: Is it logical? Yes. Is it justified? No. I think you have it backwards that he probably feels justified to do what he’s doing, but really, it’s an illogical thing to do. Personally, I think a lot of people are failing to understand that people in-general are illogical. Most people at some point in their lives will act on something because they let their emotions of the moment dictate their actions instead of thinking about the logical consequences of said actions. Here’s a clear cut case of Eren knowing Eldians have been oppressed by the world for 2000 years and he’s probably thinking that if the world hasn’t accepted Eldians in all of that time, they probably never will. Is it illogical to have that train of thought? Yes (at least if we evaluate Earth’s history). Naturally, we’re a far different society than what we were 2000 years ago. Now the challenge to know is, has the world of SnK changed drastically from what it was 2000 years ago? Unfortunately, we (the anime viewers because I don’t know if they go into greater detail in the manga) haven’t seen enough of the world outside of Paradis Island to know if it has changed and really, has Eren in the little exposure to the outside world that he has? Probably not. He sees what a small group of people who claim to be representatives of other countries conspiring to wipe out Paradis Island and all of a sudden, it’s “we need to genocide the world because they all still believe we’re monsters” without getting to know how those people really feel about the Eldians. I think we can both agree that Eren is going about it all the wrong way if he truly wants the world to leave the Eldians alone, but at the same time, we can see why he would feel like he’s doing the right thing because his worldview is too narrowly scoped. |
Toucanbird said: I think we can both agree that Eren is going about it all the wrong way if he truly wants the world to leave the Eldians alone, but at the same time, we can see why he would feel like he’s doing the right thing because his worldview is too narrowly scoped. For sure, that's how I feel about Eren. For him it's justified but illogical. But for the people watching it is unjustified (killing millions of people that had nothing to do) but logical (because Eren's state of mind). |
| It is the only choice that ensures the survival of his people. Is it evil? Yes. |
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Toucanbird said: anikevin said: Is it logical? Yes. Is it justified? No. I think we can both agree that Eren is going about it all the wrong way if he truly wants the world to leave the Eldians alone, but at the same time, we can see why he would feel like he’s doing the right thing because his worldview is too narrowly scoped. Eren understood that inside the walls and over the sea it's just people. His view wasn't narrow. It just he made a choice in the fucked up circumstances that he was in.  |
samashi20 said: Yes, I blame Eren. I think that there could have been other solutions, more diplomatic ways of solving the conflict or at least trying instead of razing everything to the ground. He said before in a conversation with Armin and Mikasa that they needed more time, and Gabi's example shows that both sides can come to understand each other. It won't happen over time, but it will. At this point, I'm looking forward to see his friends reactions. I'm also alarmed by the number of people who don't blame him and find his actions justifiable or understandable. I 100% agree with u! I’m so baffled about these results. Like, guys… really? The whole point of this franchise was that fascist militaristic nations will always breed more violence. It seems like most AoT viewers either don’t realize that or don’t want to acknowledge it. |
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troilus_05s said: It is the only choice that ensures the survival of his people. Is it evil? Yes. I mean, this whole series is completely built on one group of people being evil to another, in-turn being evil to another. SnK is essentially the poster boy of the vicious cycle. |
99protagonist said: samashi20 said: Yes, I blame Eren. I think that there could have been other solutions, more diplomatic ways of solving the conflict or at least trying instead of razing everything to the ground. He said before in a conversation with Armin and Mikasa that they needed more time, and Gabi's example shows that both sides can come to understand each other. It won't happen over time, but it will. At this point, I'm looking forward to see his friends reactions. I'm also alarmed by the number of people who don't blame him and find his actions justifiable or understandable. I 100% agree with u! I’m so baffled about these results. Like, guys… really? The whole point of this franchise was that fascist militaristic nations will always breed more violence. It seems like most AoT viewers either don’t realize that or don’t want to acknowledge it. Standing here I realize You are just like me Trying to make history But who’s to judge The right from wrong When our guard is down I think we’ll both agree That violence breeds violence But in the end it has to be this way People get it, but the problem is - so what. Always turn the other cheek? - you'll end up humiliated and dead. |
Toucanbird said: troilus_05s said: It is the only choice that ensures the survival of his people. Is it evil? Yes. I mean, this whole series is completely built on one group of people being evil to another, in-turn being evil to another. SnK is essentially the poster boy of the vicious cycle. Yes, and sadly the hatred has grown so much that it is impossible to solve it peacefully. A "peaceful" solution is basically Zeke's solution and Eren of course doesn't want that. Why will he... But if I look from a neutral perspective, the world >> a single race of people. So, Zeke's plan is easily the best for like 99% of the people on earth. It honestly depends on which side you are on. But even then, one can't deny the solution will be evil. |
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Xilver said: Toucanbird said: I think we can both agree that Eren is going about it all the wrong way if he truly wants the world to leave the Eldians alone, but at the same time, we can see why he would feel like he’s doing the right thing because his worldview is too narrowly scoped. Eren understood that inside the walls and over the sea it's just people. His view wasn't narrow. It just he made a choice in the fucked up circumstances that he was in. No, it’s narrow in the sense that he isn’t familiar enough with the geopolitical circumstances of every country in the world and is therefore basing his actions off of what some political representatives are conspiring. I think you’re misunderstanding my point. I’m not stating that Eren believes that all of humanity from the mainland is evil. What I’m stating is that he’s taking the course of action because of what those in-power are trying to achieve and that the “good” humans have been too complicit to let those in-power conspire to wipe out the Eldians based off of fear-mongering of past atrocities that the Eldians have committed. However, Eren really doesn’t have that much knowledge or experience of the world outside of Paradis Island to properly consider whether or not he’s taking the right course of action. That’s why anyone who looks at Eren’s actions from a neutral point-of-view (aka. The viewer) sees them as incredibly short-sighted and narrow-minded, but from Eren’s biased point-of-view, he believes the “eye-for-an-eye” approach is the only way to save the Eldians. |
| Yes, I do. Him and his people being victims doesn't justify killing many inocent people that have nothing to do with this. This is like pressing nuclear button on the rest of the planet. |
troilus_05s said: Toucanbird said: I mean, this whole series is completely built on one group of people being evil to another, in-turn being evil to another. SnK is essentially the poster boy of the vicious cycle. Yes, and sadly the hatred has grown so much that it is impossible to solve it peacefully. A "peaceful" solution is basically Zeke's solution and Eren of course doesn't want that. Why will he... But if I look from a neutral perspective, the world >> a single race of people. So, Zeke's plan is easily the best for like 99% of the people on earth. It honestly depends on which side you are on. But even then, one can't deny the solution will be evil. Agreed and I think that’s just how things are. There’s never been a human conflict in that has had an “easy/everyone wins” answer. No matter the outcome, someone is going to end up with the short end of the stick. Unfortunately for SnK’s circumstance, you’re talking about 2000 years of atrocity after atrocity that no one believes a peaceful solution is achievable. Eren and Zeke are essentially two sides of the same rusty coin. Both solutions are abysmal, but if we do look at it from a global perspective, Zeke’s plan is the lesser of two evils. |
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