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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- So Johan also messed with the kids heads, and here I was thinking that he had a small piece of humanity left. Also, I wonder why Johan started acting to weird, and then collapsed, after reading that book. |
| The good Johanne knows that he is going to die and therefore accept his fate, but the bad Johanne (the monster) doesn't want to accept it, thus the monster wants to control the body now in order to get away from the fate of dying. (That's my hypothesis, haha!) And what kind of ED song is that? It really sucks! XD |
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| I don't like the OP nor the ED of Monser lol. Anyway, I just watched this ep as wel. Johan is acting really weird, let's hope he doesn't die yet. Did you notice Johan staring at the area where Tenman wanted to snipe him down? |
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| A superb episode! Brilliantly suspenseful with Dieter and that kid on the rooftop. Heck, just knowing that Johan was around those kids is creepy enough, let alone knowing he's warping their minds. Also, I've just got to know what was in that book that could disturb even Johan. |
| I wonder why Johan was freaking out while reading that book. |
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| I think that Johan's split personality causing his freak-out is a good hypothesis. The new ED is really, really terrible. I wasn't a huge fan of the first OP or ED, but this is far worse. |
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| I think the Johan's collapse is because his past in Czechoslovakia, the author of the book also was from there. Also the new ED was so bad that I got scared xD |
| Well, he probably freaked out as he was from Czechoslovakia and he'd read the book when he was a child. Probably before he got fucked in the head. And did you honestly think he wasn't just fucking with those kids? |
eyerok said: Go back to listening to your GAY Mainstream music (something which most animes have these days) Somebody needs to calm down... . And I didn't know music could be homosexual.. didn't know music had a sexual preference at all.. I agree, I think the book has something to do with Johan's past, before he came to Germany.. Something his parent's read to him? Probably evil parent's if the kid is anything to go by! |
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| The OP is really good, I'll addmit I really like it; the first ED was Okay, but this second ending just sucks uncle balls. Anyways, okay so he wants to kill Johan but then what? Hes going to run for the rest of his life? Hes going to commit seppuku? Or he doesn't care about his life anymore except for killing Johan? Damn you Tenma. |
| So now Johan is screwing with children's minds now. Was that scream the first piece of real emotion we've seen from Johan? How is the book connected? Maybe something from his childhood... P.S. The ED song is the worst I've ever heard XD |
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| well, the ending theme is less annoying than the previous (and slowlyyyyy... ughh). Well Johan fucked up a kid, he has some schedual :P I wonder what happened at the end. And wtf is up with tenma wanting to kill him, he finally has some support :/. |
| THIS IS IT! This is the missing link. This is the episode I have been waiting for.This is the episode that ties all the loose plot strings that have accumulated in my mind so far. Now I am almost 100% sure that Johan does not have a split personality. He is not schizophrenic. All the facts before were a reference to this. There was only one loose string considering this matter. The fact that Johan asked his sister to shoot him in the head. How could I have missed it before. The boy with a cast, Martin, explained everything. Johan wanted to be sure if there is a reason for him to live. He thought that if there was a reason for him to live, if he was actually special, there would be something meant for him to do. And if there was something important meant for him to do, he would not die until he actually accomplishes it. That is why Johan actually asked his sister to shoot him. He though that if he survived it means that he is truly special, he has a role in this world. And the role is something really meaningless. Something that would change entire humanity. It might be to instil Johan's ideology to humans. The episode explained so much. And there is another thing. The end seems to be puzzling everyone. It was clearly stated, that the book was written by a writer from Czechoslovakia. We also know that Johan and his sister were found on the border of Czechoslovakia and Germany. it is Thus, it is logical to think that it was written by his father or caregiver. Probably the one that changed his entire personality. We might also interpret that his father "build" Johan like this. Seeing his intelligence, he wanted to make Johan perfect and follow his ideology. It is possible that nothing like that happened and his father only abused him, consequently monster was born inside Johan. It might also be a book that is just a random czechoslovakian book, that reminged him of the past which could be similar to the mentioned above. Now let's get back to Tenma. I can't understand his motives of killing Johan inside the library. Can't he shoot him from some roof outside the library, why inside. It would not only risk his life literally or legally, which he seems not to care about, but the success of the mission it self. How does Tenma think he will shoot from a sniper there? It is not a pistol. He should be aware that there is a high possibility of guards being there. Whether they were informed about possible threat or not. It is also not like this is the only place he could shoot. There is the whole city. But this is not some kind of silly shounen. This is a really good seinen. And Tenma is not an idiot. He also doesn't rely on his emotions when taking critical logical decisions. Therefore, I am sure he has a good reason for this, or we did not understand his intentions. |
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| That little kid was such a douche to that old guy. D: And I wonder why Johan was so freaked out. |
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unclesnapple said: The new ED is really, really terrible. I wasn't a huge fan of the first OP or ED, but this is far worse. QF fuckin T. It sucked so hard. Although I think the old OP/ED were perfect for this kind of series. The OP starts the suspense wonderfully, and the ED was just eerie and awesome. |
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| the 1st ED song is far better than the 2nd.. But the song seems to have deeper meaning. |
| Johann's ideology seems a little bit like Nietzsche philosophy, the survival of the fittest, nihilism, etc.. Johann is the personification of Nietzsche "Ubermensch" (superman) |
| Intriguing ep and change in ending, whoop! |
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| worst ending ever! |
| I already know whats going to happen only cause the next two episodes were spoiled by my self a long ass time ago |
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| Whaa, Johann collapsed? :O |
Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.~ |
| I got the feeling that the artworks at the endings are really important....... |
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| It seemed weird for Johan to scream. |
| wow wierd episode |
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| Finally we get an insight into Johan's past (before he even came to Kinderheim 511) and boy what a scary past it must have been. His meltdown was freaky to say the least. Although not as freaky as the ED! |
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gardab said: I think the Johan's collapse is because his past in Czechoslovakia, the author of the book also was from there. Agreed, or its a book his real or foster parent read to him. I assume, it's where the ED art is from. |
| I hate Johan with a passion now. How could he fuel those terrible ideas into the heads of little boys? He really is a heartless monster.. It breaks my heart. Cried a lot this episode :/ I'm so proud of Dieter though :) He's become so strong! And Junko Takeuchi is such a good voice actor.. |
| That is probably THE WORST sniping spot I have ever seen, is that directly in front of the main entrance? bleh, he passes up the forest out of pity? He is killing someone and in my opinion killing someone infront of a few birds is alot better than infront of a lot of people. |
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| Pretty much all of my sentiments have already been stated by others one way or another except for one... I'm pretty sure that kid, Martin, is gonna grow up to be a psychopath. |
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| I guess Johann doesn't like picture books much. Speaking of picture books, the pictures from the ED look like they are from one. |
| Mad episode! and new ED theme well... not so good. About Episode: So again Johan was manipulating some children. And that kid Martin just became evil because of Johan. And that was awful game he had planned for those kids. It was also very frightening to see when that boy just hit that old man with stick and dieter had to only watch that terrible kid. But luckily dieter told Martin what good things is in world and there is no always bad things. So now I understand why Johan became like that really explained a lot. I am not sure though does Johan have split personality or is he just tried to fake it. Johan maybe remembered something about his past so that's why he collapsed. Hmm what will Tenma do know... 5/5 |
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| That kid was actually more creepy than Johan. Anyway, a very intriguing episode. |
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| Tenma's decision to take out Johan from inside the library must be one of the dumbest things in this show so far, and that's saying a lot. |
| The picture book is definitely related to Johan's past. The fact that it was written by a writer from Czechoslovakia means that its related to his past before he was taken to the Kinderheim 511. And this makes you think at exactly what point of Johan's life was the monster born. What kind of life did he have before he was was brainwashed and experimented on. But one thing is certain that Johan and his sister Anna where found on the border of Czechoslovakia and that means that something horrible must have happened to them. And all the answers about the monster might lie in that distant past. |
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Samurainight said: The author of the book, emil sebe, google that name, everything makes sense Well, Emil Šebe is fictionous author, created by mangaka. And this episode was very good. |
| It was this episode that made me finally realize why this story is a mystery. The thing about this story is we, the readers, always know who the villain is. The mystery is, what is the villain's next move, and what is he up to next? This episode shows him make two new moves (the children's game at the beginning and his freak out at the end) and alludes to his next move. It was hinted he was using the children somehow before when you see him with all those children, and this episode reveals what he was doing: grooming them. And if I had to guess, he is grooming potential successors in case he himself dies. Martin, the child talking to Dieter, says Johann is playing an even scarier game, that a Japanese man will kill him with a sniper rifle. This also confirms Johann indeed did know Tenma had been watching him. It also brings up the question, is Johann grooming Tenma? |
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| wow lots of interesting events!! for the first half, why the hell didn't the nurses notice two kids(one injured) coming out of the hospital like that? you would think people would ask them where they're going in the condition that martin kid is. pretty gutsy about walking in front of incoming traffic O__O wow he beat the hell out of that poor guy. i'm glad Dieter beat the sense out of him, it seems Martin just wants to become like Johan yet he couldn't get passed the fear of death. damn Karl is still there! i thought Johan look upstairs thinking Tenma is there. it's probably something related to his past :P i think he may have discover one of his family's books, that or something that was showed to him as a little boy and the innocent Johan is shock at what he sees since we see him cry, but not in a sad way. damn never though i'd see Johan down like that. guess he is still human after all :P and yeah the ED is not very fitting in a show like this :P but either way i don't mind. can't wait for more episodes! |
| I thought he was going to rip her head off or something! |
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| These images of the ending I think they tell the history of the book johan was reading. I loved the OP and the EDS. they have all the right levels of creepy |
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| This show is too addicting. It's unhealthy. This was another great episode...but then again, since Johann was the focus, of course it was. The way he's twisting the children's minds is messed up, but you get the impression that he doesn't think it is. It's likely he really cares for these kids, in the only way he knows how. And of course, the collapse at the end...first time Johann loses his cool. It's going to be interesting to discover why. |
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| I think the new ed is ok! The tired, desperate voice somehow fits to the this part of the anime. This was a very good and creepy episode. I wonder if Johan is manipulating kids just for fun, or as some sort of experiment, or is he planning something for them. Johan's inhumane screaming was disturbing but surprised me pleasantly, maybe we'll soon see about his past. |
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Tengai said: The book that Johann read was Twilight that's why he freaked the fuck out Lol I started laughing aloud, even though the Twilight jokes are so old ;P |
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| I was worried that either the OP or ED would change, and here we are. And the new one is predictably a downgrade from the old one. Why must anime feel the need to change their OPs and EDs when their current ones are perfectly fine? This series especially, its OP and ED were perfect for it. The OP particularly. I've been letting the OP play for every single episode because of how atmospheric and powerful it is. If they change the OP, I'm going to be pissed. |
| That must have been a very scary book. |
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