| Are there popular and respected shows that you think are getting too much criticism, primarily due to their excessive popularity, toxic fandom and overhype? I can understand people's complaints about AOT's toxic fandom or Kimetsu's over-intrusiveness, but sometimes I feel like people hate and give low ratings to this show, not least because of their negative attitude towards the things that surround the shows and not themselves. For example, right now the most popular review on "Kimetsu no Yaiba: Yuukaku-hen" is a hater review, where 200+ people actually just put + for writing "shit plot, retard characters". What do you think about this, do you agree with me or not? Do you know of other shows that have possibly elicited this reaction? |
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| I love both Kimetsu and Shingeki no Kyojin, but I had to give them lower scores because my friends don't like them |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Perhaps, this is hell. |
| oh yes definitely. Attack on Titan for sure is a victim of this mentality. I cannot take seriously anyone who watched every season of it only to rate them a 1. Especially suspect when person in question rates everything else fairly. Code Geass as well. There's been a lot of hate bandwagoning for it lately. |
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epidemia78 said: oh yes definitely. Attack on Titan for sure is a victim of this mentality. I cannot take seriously anyone who watched every season of it only to rate them a 1. Especially suspect when person in question rates everything else fairly. Code Geass as well. There's been a lot of hate bandwagoning for it lately. I don’t know about now, but in my time there were people who watched every season of the show that they hated, only to criticize every little thing about them and get protection from “you didn't watch it, what's the point of hating it so? " |
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RobertBobert said: epidemia78 said: oh yes definitely. Attack on Titan for sure is a victim of this mentality. I cannot take seriously anyone who watched every season of it only to rate them a 1. Especially suspect when person in question rates everything else fairly. Code Geass as well. There's been a lot of hate bandwagoning for it lately. I don’t know about now, but in my time there were people who watched every season of the show that they hated, only to criticize every little thing about them and get protection from “you didn't watch it, what's the point of hating it so? " what is it about anime that attracts such miserable people? maybe the lack of a social life gives them way too much time on their hands and a desire to lash out at strangers online? |
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| Definitely Demon Slayer, like bruh I saw someone criticizing MC's sense of smell as a plot hole/inconsistency lmao wut personally I think it's stupid. Not saying everyone has to like them but hating for the sake of hating is just retarded lol |
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| depends from person to person, I can easily explain why I dislike kimetsu. even the people who never explain, they have something that bugs them and because it's more popular than their fav anime, they will start hating it more. |
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epidemia78 said: RobertBobert said: I don’t know about now, but in my time there were people who watched every season of the show that they hated, only to criticize every little thing about them and get protection from “you didn't watch it, what's the point of hating it so? " what is it about anime that attracts such miserable people? maybe the lack of a social life gives them way too much time on their hands and a desire to lash out at strangers online? Well, this is usually due to excessive hype. Emotional people feel this as pressure on them and as self-defense they begin to instinctively hate it, subconsciously also rationalizing it, because the modern mentality avoids outright hatred as unacceptable emotions. I mean, note that any overhype shows started getting their first hate just when they became extremely popular. Up to this point, it has often been a 100% approval rating. ReZero got the first haters after the iconic scene with Rem, Kimetsu after the show started winning awards as Anime of the Year in Japan, Yuri on Ice after annoying people with the Crunchroll Awards that year, etc. Of course, I'm not saying that these shows are ideal and they have no reason to criticize, it's just that this very ideological hatred was mainly a reaction to excessive praise. From Western examples, we can recall the Squid Game and Arcane, whose criticism was similarly almost zero until web began to talk about them in every second news, and the fans of the latter caught something like a megalomania. |
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| Ive been watching Tokyo Revengers and so far its pretty good for being a popular one |
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Catalano said: depends from person to person, I can easily explain why I dislike kimetsu. even the people who never explain, they have something that bugs them and because it's more popular than their fav anime, they will start hating it more. Well, it's totally normal not to like the show, even if a bunch of people cult it. I'm talking about cases where people emotionally hate the show because of toxic fans or propaganda-like praise, where any "huh, I don't like that" is instantly greeted with "dude, what's wrong with you?" |
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Ariellaa said: Ive been watching Tokyo Revengers and so far its pretty good for being a popular one I still don't understand why so many people hate this. Yes, I've seen complaints that the main characters are just a bunch of hooligans and not a Mexican drug cortel or that the show is overly popular with horny teen girls, but that sounds to me like "my hair is a bird, your arguments are wrong." |
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| If characters that I like die because of the plot, it sucks. If it has close to 100 episodes, and doesn't have enough lewd moments to justify its prolonged air time, it sucks. If the cast is majority male, it sucks. If there is already a top anime on MAL that is very similar to it, yet it still makes the top, it sucks. (there should be variety in the top anime to give other shows the attention they deserve) |
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Jank_ram said: There is also the aspect that because it's so popular people who would've originally avoided the show (knowing they won't like it) feel pressured to know what the fuss is about, I KNOW I WAS Yeah, I already mentioned this above. This is called feedback aversion, when people get revolted by over-advertising. In pre-Internet times, it was called the Demon of Contradiction. |
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| Surely if something gets more popular, it is more liable to hate, bc yknow, attention. lol. Sometimes the hate is justifiable, sometimes it is literally as stupid as believing numbers are where the quality lies. Everything is on the same playing field tho, I simply look at the anime, what it was trying to deliver, and whether it succeeded in doing so. That's all. |
| The more popular something is, the more likely it will be watched by those who aren't die-hard fans of its genre. That's why popular stuff gets more hate than, for example, iyashikei. Not because so many people like to go against the mainstream. |
| Yeah I agree its just those classics elitists that see a show that everyone likes so they say its trash, and then they say "LoOk aT mE i'M DiFFerEnT" |
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| To hate on a show just because it’s popular is honestly needless, some of these might actually be good and others might just be trash. The popularity can be a turn off for some but should definitely not be the reason why they dislike it. |
 Maybe try sleeping? |
| "It's popular so it sucks" Not always. - Sometimes it sucks without being popular. - Sometimes that popular thing sucks so hard that's actually amazing. - Sometimes you are in a mood for things which suck and that popular one is what you actually need. - The worts popular sucking things are the average ones, because instead of making you angry they put you to sleep. |
| Yeah this definitely is something people do and refuse to admit. There's a reason why the MHA hate boner became so much less erect when Demon Slayer came out, they had to switch targets. I understand not liking a popular show, and yeah criticism absolutely shouldn't be held back just because something is popular, but those that do it out of literally no reason other than contrarianism are embarrassing. |
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| aot gets way to much hate recently because its popular. there are some negative reviews that are valid but most of them are mindless haters |
| KOMI CANT COMMUNICATE. komi san wa komyushou desu... its overhyped, yes... but it gets a LOT OF HATE. i for one did shit on it mildly but its not a bad show in some aspects. |
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| I just love being a contrarian, and going against the grain. It makes me feel very special. |
| I don't think something being popular makes it worse or makes people hate it more, but there is a certain resentment some people have against things that are undeservingly popular. People are also more likely to express their opinions about not liking something if they know people will listen or if they get annoyed at people praising something that they don't personally like. There's no point in yelling about how some 80s OVA was garbage since no one is going to listen to you, and people weren't talking about it anyway so you don't have a jumping off point to be toxic about your opinion. If AoT was some underground show that no one had heard of, most of the people who hate it today wouldn't even know it existed, and the ones who did discover it would just leave it alone as "just another piece of shit". They'd still consider it to be as bad as they do now, but hating it wouldn't be a part of their personality and you'd never hear them talk about it. They also wouldn't get a chance to be infuriated about other people liking it. |
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Phosphophyllita said: I love both Kimetsu and Shingeki no Kyojin, but I had to give them lower scores because my friends don't like them Why not let your friends give the lower scores instead? |
| I didnt rate any anime below 5 or 6 even i hate that anime or fandom All i want to say those anime get popularity in western countries have most toxic fandom naruto ,aot ,mha are live example i cant stand those retard |
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OniiChanlol said: Yes, I've seen this happen to MHA. For some reason, the haters while reviewing the show somehow feel the need to bring up external reasons on why the show is bad. Like the fandom, author blah blah, when the site is asking you to talk about the Eps lmao. Another thing I wanna talk about is how some people feel obligated to criticize... Personally, I didn't like demon slayer from the 9 episodes I watched but, writing 700-800 words fully shitting on it feels like an attack imo. Because they wouldn't have written all that if demon slayer wasn't popular lol. So it screams that they were offended by how people are enjoying the show/manga. Yeah. It's especially nice when you start discussing what seems to be serious claims about the show, but in the end it turns out that hype or fandom is to blame for everything. |
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| I like/dislike stuff irrespective of its popularity. |
| SAO Definitely falls a victim to this, people expect too much of it because it's so popular to end up being dissatisfied. Same deal with Code Geass and people being so critical towards Darling in the Franxx, I don't think it would have received the same amount of hate if it was less popular. Naruto is now cool to hate on because it's very popular even though it has better writing than most of these zoomer shounen. |
IpreferEcchi said: If characters that I like die because of the plot, it sucks. If it has close to 100 episodes, and doesn't have enough lewd moments to justify its prolonged air time, it sucks. If the cast is majority male, it sucks. If there is already a top anime on MAL that is very similar to it, yet it still makes the top, it sucks. (there should be variety in the top anime to give other shows the attention they deserve) Wow, unironically touch some grass for real. JESUS. |
| I like Shingeki no Kyojin, but latest season is overrated. I can't believe that it is rated 8.87. Thats too high for anime that use awful looking CGI for titan (Wits's studio 2D titan look way better), and also story is not that good Ousama Ranking is way better. Not even close. More people should check this anime, you will not regret it. Also, don't be fooled by the childish cover. Shingeki no Kyojin does not deserve that score it has. I would even say that JoJo part 6 is also much better also I don't hate attack on titan. I just think it is overrated (specially the final season) Demon Slayer is also overrated but I'm enjoying latest season because of beautiful women 😍 |
| I think it's the reverse. it's popular because it sucks. it doesn't apply to everything, but there is an undeniable parallel between watered down schlock with a no effort story, cookie cutter characters, reused plot points, repeated life lessons, and popularity. the easier something is to digest, the bigger the hype. it's almost as if "we" are conditioned to like the exact same garbage presented to us and whatever falls outside that is wrong. good guy=good character something bad happens to good guy, good guy doesn't give in=good story evil is defeated=good ending yes, I totally understand. clapped. this show is teh hype, I'll go be loud about it on social media to advertise the brand for free! |
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Phosphophyllita said: Good friends. I would bully my friends who would give SnK a score of more than a 6. Fortunately, my friend circle, they all hate the Final Season.I love both Kimetsu and Shingeki no Kyojin, but I had to give them lower scores because my friends don't like them |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
| Well, what'd be a point to hating unpopular shows that nobody likes? Like I decided to watch Diabolik Lovers because it appeared in a "Top 10 worst moms" list, and the show is on 5 something, so I don't even know why I even expected anything... It'd bad, everyone knows it's bad, end of story. But then like there are shows such as Re:Zero, Made in Abyss and Evangelion, that I actually gave a fair chance, and have a premise that on paper I could like, and yet turned out to be genuinely horrible, and yet people keep praising them for some reason, and it's annoying to hear that everywhere... And as far as trolling is concerned, big target = good. So obviously bigger animes will get more hate, there is no surprise there... |
RobertBobert said: Are there popular and respected shows that you think are getting too much criticism, primarily due to their excessive popularity, toxic fandom and overhype? RobertBobert said: This is non-sequitur: The example does not at all specify the statement. In the example, you have 200+ people agreeing to "shit plot, retard characters". How does that imply that they're hating on it primarily due to excessive popularity? It would require a biased perspective to infer as much.For example, right now the most popular review on "Kimetsu no Yaiba: Yuukaku-hen" is a hater review, where 200+ people actually just put + for writing "shit plot, retard characters". To the contrary, while there are people who hate something due to popularity, that is by far not the norm. The actual cause and effect is: it sucks, therefore it's popular; not the other way around. Things that are popular have a simplistic structure that fall into the pockets of convention. This is well studied and scientifically supported. They attract a large contingent of the population and turn off people looking for a bit more. Fanboys invent this "hated because it's popular" myth to justify their own tastes. |
| My subjective reviews: katsureview.wordpress.com THE CHAT CLUB. |
katsucats said: RobertBobert said: Are there popular and respected shows that you think are getting too much criticism, primarily due to their excessive popularity, toxic fandom and overhype? RobertBobert said: This is non-sequitur: The example does not at all specify the statement. In the example, you have 200+ people agreeing to "shit plot, retard characters". How does that imply that they're hating on it primarily due to excessive popularity? It would require a biased perspective to infer as much.For example, right now the most popular review on "Kimetsu no Yaiba: Yuukaku-hen" is a hater review, where 200+ people actually just put + for writing "shit plot, retard characters". To the contrary, while there are people who hate something due to popularity, that is by far not the norm. The actual cause and effect is: it sucks, therefore it's popular; not the other way around. Things that are popular have a simplistic structure that fall into the pockets of convention. This is well studied and scientifically supported. They attract a large contingent of the population and turn off people looking for a bit more. Fanboys invent this "hated because it's popular" myth to justify their own tastes. I meant that the review is extremely lame and looks like a hater review, so I figured that most of the people who voted for such a lazy agitation did it just because she said the show was bad. But yep, people do sometimes say that you hate the show because of the popularity to devalue your criticism. For example, I have seen several times Arcane fans claim that any criticism of the show comes from Dota fans because they are jealous. |
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RobertBobert said: Ariellaa said: Ive been watching Tokyo Revengers and so far its pretty good for being a popular one I still don't understand why so many people hate this. Yes, I've seen complaints that the main characters are just a bunch of hooligans and not a Mexican drug cortel or that the show is overly popular with horny teen girls, but that sounds to me like "my hair is a bird, your arguments are wrong." It is hated because of the poor plot, story and characters. Even the animation was very basic compared to all other anime released these days. |
Mantron said: RobertBobert said: I still don't understand why so many people hate this. Yes, I've seen complaints that the main characters are just a bunch of hooligans and not a Mexican drug cortel or that the show is overly popular with horny teen girls, but that sounds to me like "my hair is a bird, your arguments are wrong." It is hated because of the poor plot, story and characters. Even the animation was very basic compared to all other anime released these days. I don't know, most of the people I met were either salty because of fujoshi or because the characters turned out to be members of a school gang and not something really edgy. Personally, it seemed to me just the quintessence of all Japanese gang clichés in shonen format. |
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| There's always that one person who has "better taste" than everyone else and they say it pretty loudly so everyone know that. More popular the show, more you encounter people like this. Naruto, AoT, Re Zero, Steins Gate, FMA etc. People like to feel special and getting attention, so they can easily get what they need by taking a huge dump over, I don't know, Komi-san. Or vice versa, if the absolute majority hates it (Ex Arm), someone FOR SURE will say that it's a masterpiece, for comedic purpose or not. There's a discussion ("this show isn't for me because 1, 2, 3, but that's okay, you do you") and then there are troll baits ("lmao virgin incels took waifu bait and rate it 11/10, what a bunch of pathetic losers! Good thing I am better than them"). Well, I can't say I never felt something like this or never felt an urge to diss someone's taste. Sometimes when you hear about show so much, it gets REALLY annoying (thank you, Arcane and Squid Game), even if show itself isn't bad, you just want everyone to stfu about it for a minute. Also I will never understand appeal of Fairy Tail, Boruto, MHA and few other shows. The difference is I always keep it to myself nor I say my taste is superior. All the weak points of these shows are already known and discussed to the death, so what's the point of being negative? I also don't want to be that asshole who comes to newest chapter/episode thread and acts like an elitist. Ugh. |
TheMangaManiac said: There's always that one person who has "better taste" than everyone else and they say it pretty loudly so everyone know that. More popular the show, more you encounter people like this. Naruto, AoT, Re Zero, Steins Gate, FMA etc. People like to feel special and getting attention, so they can easily get what they need by taking a huge dump over, I don't know, Komi-san. Or vice versa, if the absolute majority hates it (Ex Arm), someone FOR SURE will say that it's a masterpiece, for comedic purpose or not. There's a discussion ("this show isn't for me because 1, 2, 3, but that's okay, you do you") and then there are troll baits ("lmao virgin incels took waifu bait and rate it 11/10, what a bunch of pathetic losers! Good thing I am better than them"). Well, I can't say I never felt something like this or never felt an urge to diss someone's taste. Sometimes when you hear about show so much, it gets REALLY annoying (thank you, Arcane and Squid Game), even if show itself isn't bad, you just want everyone to stfu about it for a minute. Also I will never understand appeal of Fairy Tail, Boruto, MHA and few other shows. The difference is I always keep it to myself nor I say my taste is superior. All the weak points of these shows are already known and discussed to the death, so what's the point of being negative? I also don't want to be that asshole who comes to newest chapter/episode thread and acts like an elitist. Ugh. At moments like this, I always remember one female friend of mine who loved attacking Cowboy Bebop and being salty for no reason because of it just because she was annoyed by the show's hype. As for Arcane and the Squid Game, yeah, it's times like these that I understand people who hate hype. This is especially heightened when you meet toxic fans who are either intentionally overhhyping it or attacking anyone who doesn't agree with it. Recently, one of the Russian-language YouTube channels with trailers posted a trailer for the second season of Dota and a group of Arcane fans were just mocking anyone who praised it. |
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| So I don't follow the anime online discourse closely or at all really. My only interaction with it is the few random times I skim the first page or two of this forum so I'm sure there is so much I'm missing, but for me it feels like My Hero Academia. The show seems really popular, but I feel the only times I ever see it mentioned are people trashing it on here. Maybe there is this huge vocal fanbase that grates on people, but I can't really say I see it so when all I pretty much see is people hating on all aspects of it I'm somewhat confused. |
| nah, you're probably seeing the appropriate amount of criticism. the examples you gave are easily the highest trending anime in recent years. they have an equally loud amount of unwavering support despite however low the quality of the show may be, just like every other anime. if anything, i'd go as far to say that older and more traditional anime rack in a heavier amount of worthless bs criticism because they typically have pretentious fans that piss people off |
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