Character analysis of eren and his drive for freedom (and why he's ruined in 139)

Shiyashi said:
I personily think you are heavily misinterpreting 131. (Which i can understand, after months of reading analysis i can barely repeat it without looking into other threads)

He isn't truly free because: He takes his child form which is symbolic of ignorance, something he himself stated as being the thing furthest removed from freedom. We see his real head at the end of 131, eyes closed to the horrors he’s inflicting, further emphasising this ignorance. It looks like he’s flying but he’s actually on top of titan smoke and below clouds (symbolically trapped), where the titan smoke blocks his view of both the sites he actually equates to freedom and of the deaths below (further ignorance). (credits to this take to cactuzzshash on twitter).

And sure Erens freedom is selfish and negative, but it is also childish. He defines freedom based on a book with pictures which he saw in his childhood and dreamt of exploring. He was disappointed. The belief that had driven him simply did not exist. The world outside wasn’t free to explore, it was full of ‘enemies’ who wanted to kill more, but more than that it had innocents too. His black/white perspective can no longer function.

Also you said that eren wasn't born like that, but we see in s1 in the fight against annie that he says he will destroy the world (the world under the oppression of the titans). He always wanted to create a world that he can explore anytime and without barriers (human and titans).

I could go on and write about why the story isn't pointless and shit but i don't feel like it. So yea i hope i wrote it understandable.

Also stop coping with "Attack on Titan ended with chapter 123 and 130/131 is the epilogue" if you don't like the ending move on and watch/read other things. It's as easy as that.

Edit: I think it's generally weird to write in a forum about a work that you don't like anymore/think it got destroyed

Shiyashi said:
I personily think you are heavily misinterpreting 131. (Which i can understand, after months of reading analysis i can barely repeat it without looking into other threads)

He isn't truly free because: He takes his child form which is symbolic of ignorance, something he himself stated as being the thing furthest removed from freedom. We see his real head at the end of 131, eyes closed to the horrors he’s inflicting, further emphasising this ignorance. It looks like he’s flying but he’s actually on top of titan smoke and below clouds (symbolically trapped), where the titan smoke blocks his view of both the sites he actually equates to freedom and of the deaths below (further ignorance). (credits to this take to cactuzzshash on twitter).

And sure Erens freedom is selfish and negative, but it is also childish. He defines freedom based on a book with pictures which he saw in his childhood and dreamt of exploring. He was disappointed. The belief that had driven him simply did not exist. The world outside wasn’t free to explore, it was full of ‘enemies’ who wanted to kill more, but more than that it had innocents too. His black/white perspective can no longer function.

Also you said that eren wasn't born like that, but we see in s1 in the fight against annie that he says he will destroy the world (the world under the oppression of the titans). He always wanted to create a world that he can explore anytime and without barriers (human and titans).

I could go on and write about why the story isn't pointless and shit but i don't feel like it. So yea i hope i wrote it understandable.

Also stop coping with "Attack on Titan ended with chapter 123 and 130/131 is the epilogue" if you don't like the ending move on and watch/read other things. It's as easy as that.

Edit: I think it's generally weird to write in a forum about a work that you don't like anymore/think it got destroyed

Morpheme said:
I completely agree with you. Eren wanted to experience what Armin felt when he saw the book. He wanted the liveliness of Armin's eyes as we are told in the first chapter of RTS and he thought that reaching the ocean will give him that pleasure but it turns it wasn't the case and Eren now shifts his goal to that sight but he himself can't fully come in terms of WANTING to rumble bc of his inner conflict however ni 131 he clearly says he WANTED to do this. No circumstances or outside force forced him to rumble. Eren would have rumbled if the outside world had good relation with Paradis, even if the titan curse never ended and even if his friends never went against him as he said in 139. Grounded panel in 139 also shows that.

Many people think his main reason was rumbling or it was bc the outside people were not letting him free but it was never the main thing. Eren had a superficial ideology of freedom That's it. Eren is NOT a mature human.

deg said:
everyone is a slave to something and Eren is the slave of Ymir

Only Ymir Knows since she is the mastermind of it all

Eren only followed the PATH made by Ymir

yaegerist-15 said:
everything that happened was because eren wanted that. he wasn't a slave to ymir, fate or his own ideal freedom before the story got retconned into oblivion.

deg said:


the PATH is a big hint that there is no free will or freedom in their universe, its a fixed timeline or deterministic universe they are living in like the hint you experience the present, past, future as one in the PATHS

we never know what the worm is actually but i suspect its their version of god or gods messenger

_spoon_ said:
I dont think you understood erens character

yaegerist-15 said:
you are free to explain him to me bro

Shiyashi said:
I personily think you are heavily misinterpreting 131. (Which i can understand, after months of reading analysis i can barely repeat it without looking into other threads)

He isn't truly free because: He takes his child form which is symbolic of ignorance, something he himself stated as being the thing furthest removed from freedom. We see his real head at the end of 131, eyes closed to the horrors he’s inflicting, further emphasising this ignorance. It looks like he’s flying but he’s actually on top of titan smoke and below clouds (symbolically trapped), where the titan smoke blocks his view of both the sites he actually equates to freedom and of the deaths below (further ignorance). (credits to this take to cactuzzshash on twitter).

And sure Erens freedom is selfish and negative, but it is also childish. He defines freedom based on a book with pictures which he saw in his childhood and dreamt of exploring. He was disappointed. The belief that had driven him simply did not exist. The world outside wasn’t free to explore, it was full of ‘enemies’ who wanted to kill more, but more than that it had innocents too. His black/white perspective can no longer function.

Also you said that eren wasn't born like that, but we see in s1 in the fight against annie that he says he will destroy the world (the world under the oppression of the titans). He always wanted to create a world that he can explore anytime and without barriers (human and titans).

I could go on and write about why the story isn't pointless and shit but i don't feel like it. So yea i hope i wrote it understandable.

Also stop coping with "Attack on Titan ended with chapter 123 and 130/131 is the epilogue" if you don't like the ending move on and watch/read other things. It's as easy as that.

Edit: I think it's generally weird to write in a forum about a work that you don't like anymore/think it got destroyed

_spoon_ said:
I simply dont have the time

this response pretty much sums It up

yaegerist-15 said:
I already debunked that. Shash and his symbolism and his own interpretation of eren is not backed up by the source material

Alvacka97 said:
And how is yours supported by the source material, exactly? xD
Shash threads and video use pages of the manga as backup underneath every statement, you haven't provided any proof that his statements are fabricated/headcanon.
Where are the pages that support your so "superior interpretation"? Where are the many threads debunking Shash that you always speak of?

yaegerist-15 said:
no, you didnt understand what armins book meant to eren. You're trying to tell eren was sad at the ocean cause its not enough and he wasn't satisfied? bruh. He thought seeing the sights of armins book would mean he is free. Look at his dialogue in chapter 90. And Eren wouldnt rumble the outside world if they would try to take away his birthright, just like chapter 121. Did we read the same manga? XD
But if you like this interpretation, im not gonna insult you for that haha, I just think eren wasn't build like that.

Morpheme said:
Yeah it was not what eren thought he would feel. It was not how it was supposed to feel. Take the latest ED into account. Kid eren is so happy to see the scenery in books. This is WHAT he wanted to feel and see. Eren has the same eyes in ED, armin had when he read the book. Eren mentions about armin's book in beginnnign of RTS as well.

Eren WOULD rumble if the outer world was not against Paradis. Why? Its in his dialogue. I wished for it, I wanted to wipe it all away. Do u get what this means. It means eren desired and wished to RUMBLE the world. Outer circumstances means jack shit to him. Paradis was him only trying to rationalize his desire to rumble which he gives up on in 131. Eren says this in 139 too. He would have rumbled even if his friends never stopped him which means he would have rumbled if he never arrived to this conclusion. This all means Eren wanted the blank slate and would have rumbled no matter what.

yaegerist-15 said:
no, sorry but I completely disagree. Its not about his "desire to feel more" and there were no other solutions to free paradise and break the cycle of 2000 years hatred between paradise and the outside world.

I hated the ending and also saw the video to see where the other side might be coming from, and they're just still fucking wrong. While some decent points were made in this video there's so much it didn't explain but the biggest issue is that the entire video uses circular logic. It claims, with no evidence, that the AoT universe is an entirely deterministic one, and so everything that happens in it happens because it happens. That's unironically the logic. Why was Eren stopped? Because we see it happen so that's just what happens because determinism. Why did Grisha give Eren his Titans? Same circular determinism argument. I'd assume he would use this argument to explain every other shitty part of the story. Why did Ymir love Shitz? Yup determinism. Annie eat pie haha funny? Reiner sniff letter? Don't question it guys it's just the way AoT is because it's all deterministic. It's this entirely circular bullshit reasoning that invalidates the entire video for me, which was already super shaky to begin with because it's basically "hey fuck your interpretation just forget everything you know and believe my interpretation because we see what happens so that's what happens"

LordSozin said:
You are all pathetic. After months have passed since the atrocious ending, you all still haven't moved on. Time to move on from this what once was a phenomenon manga.

Tokoya said:
I did move on, but then I saw all this talk about AoE and the shit actually makes a lot of sense

So now I'm pulled back in, injecting tons of copium into my body again, hoping that AoE is real so that this god forsaken shitstorm of an ending can rid itself from my memories

LordSozin said:


I wish I was on your level copium my dude. But the last arc and the final chapter destroyed me beyond repair.

Tokoya said:
The fact that these guys are citing CactuzzShash says all that I need to see about the credibility of anything that they're saying lol

But what I saw most of the ending apologists really pushing these past few weeks was the Invaderz video, and honestly this right here summarizes everything you need to know about that one too



The different between Shash and Invaderz is that the latter had the balls to admit that a lot of what he said is filled with inconsisties because quite frankly, there is no logical explanation behind or evidence to support the shit storm that the final chapter and some of those leading up to it truly was

I welcome you to watch a recent video made by a guy named plasmyte that pretty much kills any and all justification for why this ending makes sense or is even good for that matter (ABD's video was already good enough but this one really puts the final nail in the coffin)

https://youtu.be/Hr44dBCWcHY

LordSozin said:


I wish I was on your level copium my dude. But the last arc and the final chapter destroyed me beyond repair.

Vinicius234 said:


I am personally on it just to wait in reading shape whatever the fanfics can pull to compare. That’s it. The canon is dead to me after the last volume.