Mahouka Koukou no Yuutousei Episode 11 Discussion

tetrix1993 said:
This episode is not particularly interesting.

Mikihiko and Leo are almost unrecognizable...

RedBellyPiranha said:
I am going crazy l read the LN for this the girls protecting Tatsuya isn't mentioned in the LN right ??

SomeNewGuy said:


I don't know about the LN. But i know that many events in this series are different from how it happened in season 1.

Honestly, i think this spin off is a dumpster fire which gets worse and worse for each episode, it had a lot of potential, episode 1 was great, how did it go so horribly wrong afterwards?

DKDiabloLicht said:
Wow, so lame, I was soo excited to see HIM FINALLY go all out, and he does ONE move. Dudes the most OP character ever and he barely does anything but tweak people's gear. And I kept waiting for things to get serious with some BIG battles, and there was just some sabotage and then regular matches uhhh bummer lol

Symons1m said:
Have been really busy with other stuff recently, so here's my belated reply.

Symons1m said:
I did mention the need of highly skilled anime producers for a reason. It’d have solved the inherent issue with the concept of combat you’re talking about.

As for your explanation on what makes a good fight, of course, I agree with you. But again, we need better anime producers to solve the issue.

Most of your problems originate from the work of the anime producers, so you're free to criticize the anime as much you want, as long as your complains are reasonable.

Symons1m said:

Of course, most people involved in various businesses don’t care about such things, so it's impossible for anime adaptations to be an exception, either.

Symons1m said:

Yeah, that’s why you shouldn’t be relying on the comments here to form your opinion.

Symons1m said:

Now that’s just your own subjective opinion, as you’re literally trying to restrict the freedom of creation by labeling it as you wish. You’re basically trying to impose your own rule as a fact, so I don’t feel the need to say much about it.

Symons1m said:

This is 100% false, and even the extremely lacking anime shows you otherwise. It seems that your bias is really clouding your sense of judgement and observation.


As proved above, your bias is seriously affecting your perception of this series. I’ll give you a simple example that even you should be able to see as “unorthodox” – The Nine Schools Competition.

Yes, you saw it right. Now if you can’t see how it is “unorthodox”, I can’t help you with it. As someone who thinks and writes so much, it should be a piece of cake to figure it out after all.

Symons1m said:

And you might never run into morally grey “bad guys” if that’s how you see things (though it’s the fault of the anime too). Let me tell you one thing, the majority of people that appear in Mahouka are morally grey. Don't ever judge the characters of this series from how they're presented on the surface.

Symons1m said:
And no, it's not the parasite but the humans they possess that are 'evil'. If you didn't get it even after the explanation given on them in Season 2, it shows your lack of observation and understanding.

Symons1m said:
This shows once again that you simply don't get what's going on in Mahouka, and most of your thoughts and opinions about the series are based on misinterpretations and lack of understanding. So, you really aren't qualified enough to judge it in any way. At this point, you can only criticize yourself instead of the anime, much less the source material.

Symons1m said:
100% incorrect, and it’s nothing more than your own assumption. You just need to talk with some people who’ve actually read and understood the story of the LN to verify that Mahouka anime covers only the surface-level things and leaves out tons and tons of information. Not only so, it even alters various things in such a way that negatively affects the story. It has even fully skipped multiple volumes so far. Do you know that many Mahouka anime haters are actually its LN readers? Yeah, that's how much the anime is disappointing to them compared to the LN. It's not much of an exaggeration to say that anime-only viewers of Mahouka barely know about the series as a whole. The anime simply lacks that much in every aspect.

So don’t try to make up reasons to justify your bias-fueled criticism of the LN. You should limit your criticism to the anime if you want to be taken seriously. The more one reads the LN, the more they realize how lacking the anime is in comparison (as also proved by many people mentioning how their opinion on the series changed after reading the LN), so making your assumptions based on the extremely flawed anime adaptations is truly pointless.

Symons1m said:

This is what happens when you don’t pay attention to what the other party mentions. Do you remember how I specifically stated that magic in Mahouka isn’t only based on real science, but programming too?
This is what you mentioned as reply:

Yeah, I deliberately made a clear distinction between the two, so that you'd realize your mistake. I hope I don’t need to tell you how programming works, right?

Virtual waves that aren’t directly applied on the pillars can’t be protected by data reinforcement as far as I remember, as Magic in Mahouka is the process of directly affecting the target in some way. Data reinforcement safeguards something against a direct change through magic that was applied on the target or through some influence from the “outside”, so it can’t protect against something that has already bypassed that layer of defense.

Symons1m said:

Magicians can do both. I don't remember whether she was directly changing inertia, but I do know that she was manipulating inertia in some way.

Symons1m said:

Even you can see how bad the anime adaptation is, so I’m sincerely advising you again to keep your criticism to the anime. Our conversations have already made it evident that it's impossible to get a good idea about the LN (source material) from the anime.

theGodde said:
I think the inherent issue with Miyuki (at least the anime) is that she doesn't have an established motivation to be "free spirited" or any actual goals/dreams outside of Tatsuya to pursue. Her only well-established motivation in the show is that she wants Tatsuya to acknowledge and appreciate her (In more ways than one). If there's one change that needs to be made it's that she needs more established motivations for her actions.

I am pretty well versed in story convention and storytelling. The problem here was how I planned it. I had a very long form story planned out. The first "period" of the story would take place over 3 years, with each year being its own contained story as well. I had one basic plan for the first year which I knew wasn't going to cut it. So I just sat down, bit the bullet, and wrote the first volume with almost no planning. What I got was a poorly constructed oftentimes nonsensical mess of conflicting ideas. However they were all fresh, inspired ideas that I hadn't gotten when I was planning before. So I went back and completely rewrote the plan for the first year and a bit of the second year to take these new ideas into account. And so a very bland edgy action high school story morphed into a political thriller about the inherent ethics of culturally justified terrorism.
So I wouldn't say that it was all "useless fluff" that could be easily changed or thrown out, but that my story is an interconnected web of themes, ideas, character arcs, and plots. One small change can have a massive rippling effect throughout the story. For example, there was a plot hole that the main characters ended up in a place they shouldn't have been in order for the story to take place, so I thought about it and constructed a government conspiracy that required the characters to be in that place, which in turn required the entire "year 1" story arc to be redesigned to resolve this conspiracy. And as I went on more layers were added until it became a political thriller. This is what I would call functional perfectionism. Rather than allowing plot holes and character inconsistencies to remain unresolved, I continue to iron them out and deal with the resulting rippling effects within the story that massively extends the time and effort required to make this story a reality.

I think Sasuke always wanted to have that connection with Naruto, but his own conflicting priorities superseded that.
That said, it's really impossible to tell where this could have gone without more insight from Kishimoto (rip). For now we can only look at it from the perspective of a show that lost its way and failed to reinvent itself.

I don't understand what you mean. Take Night Head 2041. It's supposed to be a show exploring the ethics of an oppressive regime - where it works and where it doesn't, as well as freedom of expression as a human right (a strong theme). However, because the execution is so terrible you could consider it "had a good premise but couldn't deliver", and I would agree. But at the same time it doesn't suddenly cease to have those themes. They remain there even when poorly communicated (perhaps just a little more difficult to find).

And that is what would make these moral dilemmas interesting. It would be a subversion of expectations to take a character we know and love, and sacrifice them for a bunch of nameless characters we have no attachment to. Its very inhuman sociopathic nature would make the situation inherently fascinating.
That said we can both agree that Tatsuya doesn't quite fit the mould of a soldier.

you certainly like your obscure anime lmao.
As for "being an engineer", I meant it specifically in the kind of approach I was suggesting. The concept of starting from a known point of human civilisation and tracking every invention from then and how it would shape the culture and future innovation eventually resulting in a drastically different world. This is based on the fundamental understanding that innovation is driven by demand and priority. Wars and conflict escalate technology. Global catastrophes, financial collapses, and industry "fads" and conventions. Some new technology we have known about for years but never been able to put into to practice may become possible from a fictional technological leap. In the same way technology that we take for granted may never be pursued simply because there is no need or demand. That's the way an engineer would build a world.

indeed. Some cool concepts are made possible within the different technological and cultural climate of mahouka.

malMaxi said:
I personally found the novel to be 7/10 at the start and downhill from there :D
But what interests me in your discussion is not that, but the notion of virtual waves.

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The thing that prevents Mahouka's magic from really working for me is that i do not understand where exactly specifically Miyuki's superiority comes from. She has better measurements, sure, but what exactly is being measured? Is it some sort of inner Ki? But why is then Tatsuya, capable of way more destruction than Miyuki, is unable to use that Ki? I understand that there is this whole "she needs to permit his use of power" thing, but it really wasn't ever properly communicated.

Ultimately, the idea of "rewriting reality" influences a great deal of the show's proceedings and has never been truly fleshed out. Which is what prevents the magic system from working for me personally. Contrast with something like Trion from World Trigger, which - while in conception being a somewhat boring and basic energy meter, albeit with a cool cube visualisation, - affords a much more interesting and engaging magic combat system. On another hand, contrast with something like Index, which also works with the reality rewriting idea, but does a lot more with it - separating such rewriting into several schools, several levels and showing off a generally much wider variety of moves and effects.

malMaxi said:
At the same time, however, do remember that your interest in Mahouka is tied to figuring out what is it about it that works for its audience (outside of obvious fetish pandering). I maintain that the specific character of Miyuki, who is simultaneously a classic refined priestess of good magic and a murderous jealous harpy, is one of the things that works.

We are on the same page insofar as that we both want to see a more specific and fleshed out image of Miyuki. I also understand that there wasn't enough for you in the show proper to get the image of Miyuki that i got. However, if you are serious about targeting the audience that enjoys Mahouka, than I do insist that you need to consider Miyuki from that exact angle. Because that is what works about her (at least, in my opinion), even the specific execution didn't get through to you personally.

malMaxi said:
At this point, i'm probably beginning to run the risk of appearing disrespectful or condescending towards the work you already put in. So i'd like to say that this is really not my intention :). My words are simply a reaction to your explanation of your process, thus are separated from your actual work by at least three layers of communication, all of which can (and usually do) be distorting the intended message.
If i am getting anything wrong - feel free to correct me at any point.

I understand that you have this grand ambition for this great interconnected story centered on the themes of ethics, culture and terrorism. This sounds like a great set of themes providing a complex web of relationships and connections. Definitely worth exploring.

I understand that you wrote out the initial plan for the whole grand vision, but something didn't work within the first year section of the plan. So you decided to sit down, write it out and see how it all shakes out. This was the exactly right move ). From your explanation, i understand it was successful - you wrote the story itself and got a whole lot of new ideas for how to follow it up. A good question to ask yourself at this junction is whether you feel the first year story is complete, or if there is something that went unaddressed. Did you already release the story of a first year somewhere? If not - what's preventing you from doing so?

I understand that you feel the way the first volume turned out has really constrained you as an author. You are now struggling to get the story moving in the direction that interests you. From what i understand, the fact that a story about ethics, culture and terrorism is becoming more of a political thriller doesn't sit right with you. I understand you now find yourself in a position of having to write actual political power plays, which should never have been the focus to begin with. Is that perception correct?

malMaxi said:

I'd say Sasuke wanted to feel superior, to be challenged and to be proven right. I did not register any desire for actual companionship on his end. He got challenged, found himself losing, corrected his mistake.
Heck, now that i think of it, this actually puts Sasuke as the protagonist of the first section of the story. Naruto was the antagonist - the one forcing change.
As a result, when Sasuke departed, the story was left without a protagonist. Which is also why Kishimoto felt the need to introduce a whole slew of new protagonist candidates in the form of Konoha kids durnig Sasuke escape arc. And which is also why Shipuuden actually starts with Gaara, not Naruto.

I'm perfectly happy with that conclusion for now :D. Seems to reinforce my approach for analysing things. Whether Kishimoto chooses to confirm this or not in the future doesn't actually matter that much :)

malMaxi said:

Well, Night Head is not a top 100 show (according to ratings, at least), so i'm not sure why it is an example :D. It is obviously true that execution is what keeps it from top 100.

Let's try thinking of it this way. It is not enough to just declare a theme, you also need to actually sell the viewer on it. Some viewers will be sold just by declaration of the theme - because they really love such a theme and will eat anything related to it straight up. For example, i'm a sucker for RPG city/economy building, so stuff like Shield Hero or more recent Genjitsu Yuusha is right up my alley, no questions asked :D. Same with shows that show off a society revolving around some fantasy tech (like the previously mentioned air skates show).

However, all of this only applies to shows with themes that click for me personally. Shows that declare other themes will need to actually work a little to get me on board.

For example, something like Yakusoku no Neverland (supposedly an underdog political survival) didn't click with me at all, whereas something like Kaiji (also underdog political survival) totally did. In fact, if pressed, i'd even say that, in my mind, Yakusoku no Neverland should have never tried to pretend at politicking and was actually harmed in the long run by doing so (at least, given the first season material that i'm familiar with).

As a result, Neverland anime was only able to pretend at having political themes due to massive viewer expectation that existed on the basis of its manga. Before the first episode of anime even aired, it was already said to have political themes, because the viewers expected to find them. Since i haven't read the manga, i didn't expect the political theme from Neverland to begin with. And then the show didn't do enough to get me on board. As a result, i view Neverland as an example of a failure to do a poltical theme.

Now that i think of it, it might be interesting to figure out how the manga managed to sell that theme to begin with. But that's a story for another time i guess :D

malMaxi said:

I'd say we have now finalized one solid improvement towards Mahouka: Miyuki needs to do more to push Tatsuya into various ethical dilemmas.
I still think Tatsuya being a military asset is an important point. However, i concede that this point is probably not fundamental to his character. It is mostly there to facilitate him getting into the situations involving life and death on massive scale.

malMaxi said:

So, applying it to Mahouka, i understand you want CADs to be fleshed out not just in terms of how they work, but also in terms of what demands resulted in appearance of that tech, how it is supplied etc.
The closest point of contrast that we have is still World Trigger. Would you say World Trigger did enough to show off the "engineering" of its trigger tech? If so, which specific moments sold you on WT's engineering?

indeed. Some cool concepts are made possible within the different technological and cultural climate of mahouka.

theGodde said:
In the end it's just that one decision that had poorly reflected in the show. I feel it's inconsiderate to blame that solely on the producers.

The reason why writers look down on overpowered protagonists is because this inherent nature makes it impossible for them to truly...

Consider this as well - perhaps I have experienced a wider variety of stories and therefore don't find the 9 schools unorthodox. Or perhaps I have a very different definition for what an "unorthodox" story is? We're never going to know unless you explain how you believe that 9 schools is unorthodox.

Now going back to the overpowered stuff, I can provide many examples of where Tatsuya is able to effortlessly overcome problems presented to him by the story.

another interesting note might be this video

What am I supposed to judge them from then?

I'm not unqualified to judge it, you are merely unable to critically analyse my statements or your own.

Although the finer details were screwed over, the overarching plot details seem to me to be faithful to the LN and therefore worthy of criticism for both mediums of the story.

As for bias, please...

But there is no such thing as a virtual wave in programming.

In what way is a virtual wave different to a...

Now if you consider the fact that you can create anything...

This is all semantics, but it is interesting semantics. Although considering the overwhelming information disparity between us I'd forgive you for being frustrated or annoyed at my lack of knowledge.

I am still not so sure. You...

Symons1m said:

Who did you think make the decision if not the anime producers, the whole staff involved in the production of the anime? Anime producers can do so much more than you realize. It's pretty ease to notice once you start reading series with only decent popularity but great anime adaptations.

Symons1m said:

Mahouka doesn’t have the issue you’re talking about, so there’s no point in mentioning it here. The problem with your understanding is that Tatsuya wasn’t an inherently overpowered person. That honor goes to his “truly” overpowered sister. You think Tatsuya is overpowered? Yeah, it’s true in a way, but then people like Miyuki, Ninja guy, their family head, etc. are also overpowered in their own way. Not to mention, the reason he even became as overpowered as he does, is because of his intelligence and character development that he experienced when he was younger. If someone else was born with the same abilities as him, there’s a pretty good chance that they’d be only a mid-tier individual at best. He’s an expert at making others utilize their abilities to the best extent, as you can see from the Nine Schools Competition, so it goes without saying that he did the same to make himself as strong as he is now. Moreover, Tatsuya isn’t overpowered just because the author wanted to have a really strong character, but also because the story itself won’t exist if he didn’t have the potential to be so overpowered. His power literally makes the story move forward. So the overpowered protagonist here doesn’t make the story structure “low brow”.

The only reason you don’t realize the things I mentioned is because of the extremely flawed anime adaptations. It once again proves my point that it’s impossible to make an informed opinion about the series as a whole, as the “information” required to be able to make such an opinion is lacking in the first place. You really need to keep your criticism to the anime adaptations after all.

Symons1m said:
As someone who has most likely read more Japanese stuff than you, I can tell you that it’s at least “unorthodox” for a series from Japan if you have any idea about their culture and usual storytelling. Also, even if you have a different definition for “unorthodox”, it won’t change the fact that it is actually “unorthodox”.

Let’s talk about the Nine Schools Competition that I mentioned. 1) The protagonist doesn’t belong to a minor or former champion school that is trying to attain glory on a national level. Instead, you got a school that is the strongest one out there 2) The participants don’t have a blood-boiling goal to become the best in the country in the event they’re participating or in their field of expertise, and instead multiple of them are already elites at world-level 3) The protagonist side isn’t the one showing sportsmanship and suffering from cheating maneuvers of other schools. Instead, they’re the ones tricking the other schools with various “plays”, despite the fact that they’re already the “strongest” and have won two Nine School Competitions consecutively in the past two years. Basically, various major clichés are avoided one after another.

I think that’s enough to show how just the Nine Schools Competition alone is “unorthodox”. As a bonus, let me tell you that Miyuki is also an “unorthodox” bro-con, unlike what you’d think from watching the anime. Skipping volumes and making her many of her thoughts, opinions, and conversations non-existent ended up hiding her true personality from the anime-only viewers, just as is the case with most other characters. Many readers were taken aback when they first read a certain arc.

Symons1m said:

Remember, you specifically mentioned that he is able to overcome “all” problems “effortlessly”. Now, an LN reader would immediately notice how you’re wrong.

1.He wins his fights because he has been training and improving himself since he was really young. His training was so harsh and deadly that most people can't even consider doing the same things. Being predictable isn’t a negative thing here because it’d be unreasonable and ridiculous otherwise. After all, the people you see him winning are mostly low-tier individuals. You wanting an unpredictable fight between superman and your neighbor would be nonsensical, right? Moreover, in the anime, he has only faced three high-tiered individuals. First time, he had magic compatibility advantage, second time, he survived because the opponent wasn’t mentally fit to serve in their role, and it was literally mentioned that he could have died if the opponent didn’t hesitate. Third time, he managed to defeat the opponent only because of his sister and some help from his friends.

Since Tatsuya is so powerful and therefore cannot lose for the entire series being shown so far, there is an inherent problem with the tension. Only a gullible audience could believe that Tatsuya could ever lose the upper hand against an opponent so many magnitudes weaker than him. In fact, considering his abilities it brings up the question of whether it's even possible for him to truly lose. However that doesn't mean that the fight cannot have tension.
This goes back to the stakes - if you have stakes that are not necessarily based on the direct outcome of the fight (ie: physically defeating the opponent) but instead on HOW they go about winning, suddenly this brings tension back. Let's say Tatsuya can't just beat him, but has to beat him while not allowing his opponent to know the true extent of his power, because then his identity is revealed. This not only gives Tatsuya another stake in the fight - protecting his secret identity - but also makes the fight challenging for even Tatsuya.

Symons1m said:
2.He has never set out to do something and failed precisely because he never tries to do anything that he’s unable to. Simple as that. It’s like hoping for someone very proficient in mathematics to make an error in solving the same problems that they’ve practiced to solve perfectly any time. The chances for your wish to be realized would naturally be very, very low in such a case. You might not get the impression from watching the anime, but he’s a very practical guy who ignores everything that is out of his reach, unless something forces him to get involved. Remember how he mentioned that he didn’t pursue the parasite, despite realizing their threat, just so that his normal life is not influenced? Yeah, even the anime showed a glimpse into this side of him. Not to mention, he failed to deal with the parasite during his first confrontation with it, and literally stated how it was a disgrace for him. He failed precisely because he tried to deal with something he wasn’t prepared to handle. His preparations have been the reason behind his success in his endeavours after all.

Symons1m said:
3.Tatsuya defeating someone doesn’t result as a change of heart for others. You just never saw or learned about their positive side, so it causes you to misinterpret things. What really affected their way of thinking "a bit" is his performance during various occasions. For example, the first guy who supposedly had a change of heart according to you, keeps having a negative opinion of him and finds his existence as annoying as before. The only reason he supported his participation in the competition was because of his loyalty to the Student Council President and to his school, as he’s a really serious guy who knows how to make the right choice for the greater good. The reason behind his earlier opposition was because of the fact that Course 2 students are genuinely unfit for the role in the disciplinary committee. The speed of magic activation makes it nearly impossible for Course 2 students to deal with the troubles caused by Course 1 students. It was also mentioned later on that the reason why he was so harsh on Course 2 students was also because of the mental stress and frustration caused by the antics of the Student Council President. It was an actual issue that the Disciplinary Committee chief was thinking of seriously but couldn’t do anything about, because of their friendship and the Student Council President’s family situation. So as you can see, him beating them physically is hardly the reason for their change of heart, and it isn’t even changed that much anyway.

Symons1m said:

You see, that’s the issue that you deliberately ignored to push your argument forward, even when I already showed you how the anime is making significant things in the LN nonexistent in the adaptation. I’ve already mentioned that the anime only shows the surface-level things, so you can’t notice their true character from that alone. Let me give you a simple example in any case. Mikihiko, the nice guy that appears the most normal out of the bunch, might have “violated” Mizuki to achieve his goal if he came across her a year earlier than his enrollment in the school. It should be enough to show you how these people are “morally grey”.

It's not just a simple matter of your ability to begin with. Yes, you’re naturally unqualified to judge it when you don’t even have enough information to do so, or when you find fault in other things without even confirming whether what you remember is right. You misremembering things isn’t good enough to be an excuse if you use the very points you misremember as a solid criticism here.

Symons1m said:

I mentioned that you’re wrong about “overarching plot details being faithful in the anime”. People don’t even get the opportunity to understand the Yotsuba well enough in the anime, so it’s literally impossible for what you said to be true. Furthermore, the anime has also skipped a very important volume. Information about the Yotsuba and the story shown in the said volume provide critical details about the overarching plot, so the transition isn’t really faithful as you claimed.

Symons1m said:
I’d honestly not care about your bias if it wasn’t so obvious. You literally see, interpret, misremember, and assume things in a way that’s convenient for your arguments, over and over again, so it’s practically unavoidable to bring up your heavy bias that you admitted to yourself.

Symons1m said:

Whoever said that virtual wave is a thing in programming? I mentioned it because programming is used in the spell to generate virtual waves.

Yeah, I deliberately made a clear distinction between the two, so that you'd realize your mistake. I hope I don’t need to tell you how programming works, right?

Symons1m said:

Virtual waves don’t change anything on their own, but are used as a medium to trigger some kind of vibration in the target. Virtual waves are based on information manipulation, while real waves are based on physics manipulation. Virtual waves don’t contradict anything because they themselves aren’t causing any change to the target, and only serve as a means for the programmed magic. Since data reinforcement doesn’t prevent from non-magical changes, or magic that’s not applied on the target directly, it can’t prevent a virtual wave from becoming real, as the change is happening to the virtual wave itself. Again, since the programmed vibration affects the target as a real/natural vibration, it can’t be stopped by data reinforcement.
I also mentioned that magic is a process of overwriting reality previously, so I naturally expected you to get that the change mentioned there is brought about by magic. Guess it’s my fault for not mentioning the same basic things again that you should be clear about by now. It really makes me wonder how you even considered criticizing the magic system when you’re not much better than a novice when it comes to Mahouka’s magic system. (thanks to the anime, of course)

Symons1m said:

Not everything can be created virtually, similar to how being able to manipulate something doesn’t mean you can do “anything” with it. Everything requires enough talent, magic power, and appropriate spells. Shiori’s processing ability is extremely outstanding, so using such means in a really limited way is obviously no issue for her. I don’t remember the details about it, or I’d have given you an even better explanation.

Symons1m said:

Well, as a LN reader it’s pretty obvious to me, but I get why an anime-only might have their doubts. (though having doubts and stubbornly sticking to one’s views due to some questionable "reason" are two very different things)
The anime is extremely inferior to the source material, much more than a usual anime adaptation is, due to the tremendous amount of missing information, details, etc. So, one might find it hard to believe that an anime adaptation made with the wrong ideas and questionable intentions could end up becoming so lacking compared to the source material.

theGodde said:
"Yeah, it's true in a way" after you said "Mahouka doesn't have the issue you're talking about".

The story covered by the anime adaptation so far occurs after his character development. I would agree that if Tatsuya started as a fairly normal person and became who he is now, that particular story covering his transformation might have a Tatsuya who is not overpowered. However that is not the story we are discussing now, we are discussing the anime adaptation and the volumes it is adapting from the LN.

Now it makes a lot of sense that you are unable to comprehend the sheer extent to which Tatsuya is overpowered.

I would however disagree with even this. Consider the fact that all of the stories thus far begin outside of Tatsuya.

I simply don't like taking things at face value - and in this case I think I've made my point.

If you've got any other examples from within the LN story covered by the anime, chances are they will go the same way.

First of all, Tatsuya is already OP by the beginning of the story. We aren't shown his origin training/journey and even if we were, he would only be a balanced protagonist during that journey.

Being predictable in fight outcomes is almost always negative.

But the fact that you still believe this despite my long explanation of how to avoid this issue does irritate me.

I would say that is is entirely possible for superman to have an unpredictable fight against a…

As for the 3 people you mentioned, I'm not sure if you knew, but I was specifically mentioning only the story covered by the anime.

There's no viable excuse for why Tatsuya hasn't been properly challenged. Like I said before, there are ways to make Tatsuya struggle in a fight without reducing the power gap between him and his foes.

If the author chose to write Tatsuya in a way that he never challenges himself, that is patently bad writing. But even then the story could present him with more situations where he has no choice but to overextend and challenge himself. Yet it does not. Why would a skilled mathematician only attempts equations they are already comfortable with? If you follow that career it's because you want to challenge yourself.

And in the same way when you watch a series, you want to see a protagonist who is challenged, because it is always more satisfying when they eventually succeed despite that.

I am not a toxic contrarian.

I would define a morally grey character as a character that actively makes "morally good" and "morally bad" decisions during the runtime of the show.

But you have not yet provided any proof that what aspects of the overarching plot that actually are there happen to be incorrect or inaccurate.

How about this. I haven't heard a single criticism of the LNs from you. You have never admitted a single flaw that it contains. It's not the fact that you're unable to spot flaws in the LN, but...

When I said that virtual waves make no sense, you only replied with

You intentionally insulted my comprehension and intelligence and now you've realised that in doing so you massively oversimplified your argument to the point where it was misleading and bordering incorrect.

There's no point responding to this when malMaxi already came up with a far better criticism of virtual waves than I could provide.

However saying that "magic overwrites reality" is about as specific as the statement "the laws of physics govern reality", and doesn't mean someone will instantly comprehend all the laws of physics.

thanks for trying to explain it even if you couldn't figure out all the specific details.

I have witnessed some adaptations that transcend even Mahouka.

you may not realise just how much of the source material actually is retained in the anime.

Symons1m said:
It's funny that an anime-only, who literally admitted that he lacks knowledge from the LN, is trying to claim that I’m unable to comprehend the sheer extent to which Tatsuya is overpowered. Please stop believing that your personal assumptions are truer than the knowledge from the LN.