| L has over 110000 people support him despite not having as much appearance as Light. And most of Light favorites don't support his ideology, they just think that is is an interesting one. |
| Let me rephase it why should a villain win?? If a villain wins A bad moral message (the anime will bombabed with pta complaints lot 9f unnecessary things to deal with) And Light needed to lose His ego went way over his head l. He became the person who he swore to kill |
AkitokamisenSep 8, 2021 7:12 AM
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| I think 86 is an good example of anime that doesn’t end with a happy ending, well for season 1 at least. |
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Light's cause was good, but the death note corrupted, I personally got annoyed by l. The last death note exchange was downright confusing. I think light should have won. World is is'nt about good and bad, its about the strongest. |
Akitokamisen said: Let me rephase it why should a villain win?? If a villain wins A bad moral message (the anime will bombabed with pta complaints lot 9f unnecessary things to deal with) And Light needed to lose His ego went way over his head l. He became the person who he swore to kill That's not the case, a villian can win Even if it gives a bad message, it doesn't matter.. If it's cool and awesome, world will accept villian's victory.. In death note, people say that light should've won.. why? Bcz the series ruined itself by replacing a genius detective with a cheap copy of him, more over the villian is not as strong as before.. In that case, ofc a villian would win But it's the better story overall.. |
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Voilaanime said: The last death note exchange was downright confusing. What about it was "confusing" to you? |
Lydark_007 said: Akitokamisen said: Let me rephase it why should a villain win?? If a villain wins A bad moral message (the anime will bombabed with pta complaints lot 9f unnecessary things to deal with) And Light needed to lose His ego went way over his head l. He became the person who he swore to kill That's not the case, a villian can win Even if it gives a bad message, it doesn't matter.. If it's cool and awesome, world will accept villian's victory.. In death note, people say that light should've won.. why? Bcz the series ruined itself by replacing a genius detective with a cheap copy of him, more over the villian is not as strong as before.. In that case, ofc a villian would win But it's the better story overall.. Light should have won?? For me in death note it became certain light would lose few episodes after L's death It's not the cheap copy detective that ruined but the the way he lost ruined it Villain winning? Can you tell me a scenario in which a villain should win? |
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Sweet_Escape said: Voilaanime said: The last death note exchange was downright confusing. What about it was "confusing" to you? I said it because I do not understand how the hell death note, go to near and light they anticipated each attack and did the exchange.  |
Akitokamisen said: Lydark_007 said: That's not the case, a villian can win Even if it gives a bad message, it doesn't matter.. If it's cool and awesome, world will accept villian's victory.. In death note, people say that light should've won.. why? Bcz the series ruined itself by replacing a genius detective with a cheap copy of him, more over the villian is not as strong as before.. In that case, ofc a villian would win But it's the better story overall.. Light should have won?? For me in death note it became certain light would lose few episodes after L's death It's not the cheap copy detective that ruined but the the way he lost ruined it Villain winning? Can you tell me a scenario in which a villain should win? Ofc, most of them opine that light should've won.. The reason why death note is hated or atleast belittle death note is because of NEAR Near is the one who ruined this series There are many video on yt, many forums on MAL, reddit, pinterest and Blog posts saying that near ruined this series First of all, he's very similar to L But he gets to know things very easily as if he was coded.. I'll explain it L justifies his actions, like he tells why he's doing.. But near does nothing, he has less screen time and he has a rival Near feels like he knows everything without digging anything.. L did a lot of investigation Even near did, but not on the level of light Come on dude, We're talking about why death note is hated, And the clear reason is the 2nd arc And the main reason for it is Near.. |
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Akitokamisen said: Lydark_007 said: That's not the case, a villian can win Even if it gives a bad message, it doesn't matter.. If it's cool and awesome, world will accept villian's victory.. In death note, people say that light should've won.. why? Bcz the series ruined itself by replacing a genius detective with a cheap copy of him, more over the villian is not as strong as before.. In that case, ofc a villian would win But it's the better story overall.. Light should have won?? For me in death note it became certain light would lose few episodes after L's death It's not the cheap copy detective that ruined but the the way he lost ruined it Villain winning? Can you tell me a scenario in which a villain should win? I'm not saying that villian should win But if the villian actions make more sense and more cool and more justifying, villian should ofc win.. In death note, light should've won over near.. or the series should've ended with L's death I'd accept a victory of a villian if the hero is a cheap ripoff of his predecessor and gets to know things without context Ever thought this? L has 110K+ favs. Near has <4K favs. If near is really that good of a character (he even won lol, L literally died to a FILTHY MURDERER) WHY? JUST THINK, YOU'LL GET THE ANSWER WHY LIGHT SHOULD'VE WON OVER N |
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Lydark_007 said: Akitokamisen said: Light should have won?? For me in death note it became certain light would lose few episodes after L's death It's not the cheap copy detective that ruined but the the way he lost ruined it Villain winning? Can you tell me a scenario in which a villain should win? I'm not saying that villian should win But if the villian actions make more sense and more cool and more justifying, villian should ofc win.. In death note, light should've won over near.. or the series should've ended with L's death I'd accept a victory of a villian if the hero is a cheap ripoff of his predecessor and gets to know things without context Ever thought this? L has 110K+ favs. Near has <4K favs. If near is really that good of a character (he even won lol, L literally died to a FILTHY MURDERER) WHY? JUST THINK, YOU'LL GET THE ANSWER WHY LIGHT SHOULD'VE WON OVER N Light was still sane before l's death and he took L very seriously But after that he became arrogant and did whatever he pleased He fully underestimated near and lost (basically how gilgamesh lost in ubw) And yes L died to a filthy murderer (what else can you call light after he killed innocents without a shred of emotion) The story of death note can't end with light winning over L It needed to show how death note corrupted light and finish is character development to complete the death note story (meaning he has to lose to show the audience how hard he has fallen of you read the death note manga you should know how mush he has fallen he became a existence furthest from a God) I too don't like near, he beyond boring |
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shivamrajput958 said: Akitokamisen said: I mean I doesn't about message it's about in reality also sometimes bad people also winsLet me rephase it why should a villain win?? If a villain wins A bad moral message (the anime will bombabed with pta complaints lot 9f unnecessary things to deal with) And Light needed to lose His ego went way over his head l. He became the person who he swore to kill Yes but it is fiction not reality And anime/manga is a form entertainment so it kinda needs to abide by morals sadly Otherwise it faces alot of problems If you watched bakuman (same mangaka as death note) In it the main duo creates a manga about perfect crime and it faced alot controversies And the duo was not able to achieve there goal with it |
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| I can say Lelouch from Code Geass kinda won in my opinion,you know what i mean if you seen the movie too. In Bungou Stray Dogs,there were many times where the villains won,it doesn't have many good people there either. Durarara is a questionable story and ending,everyone looked to me like some sort of "villain" and no,Shizuo wasn't a good person,everyone in Durarara has a few(more)screw loose so i don't know what to say about it. Higurashi no naku koro ni is full of bad endings,if you're looking for this kind of thing Re:Zero is simillar to Higurashi in the aspect in Darker Than Black there aren't heroes,i think you'd like this one too idk there you go |
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Akitokamisen said: shivamrajput958 said: I mean I doesn't about message it's about in reality also sometimes bad people also wins Yes but it is fiction not reality And anime/manga is a form entertainment so it kinda needs to abide by morals sadly Otherwise it faces alot of problems If you watched bakuman (same mangaka as death note) In it the main duo creates a manga about perfect crime and it faced alot controversies And the duo was not able to achieve there goal with it It doesn't have to abide to morals. There are lots of western movies with "villain wins" endings, it's mostly a Japanese thing. They hate criminals and wrongdoers so much that they won't be satisfied until they are punished. It's more like a fanservice thing. It's exactly like American Gangster films. Before The Godfather came along, every Ganster movie (20s, 30s,40s,50s) ended with the gangsters being killed / apprehended. But from the 70s onwards that stopped being the norm. The morals are still the same: "Gangsters are bad and a menace to society" but their endings became more realistic : Not always the cops / society wins. |
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AiNoMukidashi said: Akitokamisen said: Yes but it is fiction not reality And anime/manga is a form entertainment so it kinda needs to abide by morals sadly Otherwise it faces alot of problems If you watched bakuman (same mangaka as death note) In it the main duo creates a manga about perfect crime and it faced alot controversies And the duo was not able to achieve there goal with it It doesn't have to abide to morals. There are lots of western movies with "villain wins" endings, it's mostly a Japanese thing. They hate criminals and wrongdoers so much that they won't be satisfied until they are punished. It's more like a fanservice thing. It's exactly like American Gangster films. Before The Godfather came along, every Ganster movie (20s, 30s,40s,50s) ended with the gangsters being killed / apprehended. But from the 70s onwards that stopped being the norm. The morals are still the same: "Gangsters are bad and a menace to society" but their endings became more realistic : Not always the cops / society wins. I don't watch mush of western movies The only movie I think criminal won and cops/society lost Shashank redemption (inmates escaped successful from jail) |
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Akitokamisen said: Lydark_007 said: I'm not saying that villian should win But if the villian actions make more sense and more cool and more justifying, villian should ofc win.. In death note, light should've won over near.. or the series should've ended with L's death I'd accept a victory of a villian if the hero is a cheap ripoff of his predecessor and gets to know things without context Ever thought this? L has 110K+ favs. Near has <4K favs. If near is really that good of a character (he even won lol, L literally died to a FILTHY MURDERER) WHY? JUST THINK, YOU'LL GET THE ANSWER WHY LIGHT SHOULD'VE WON OVER N Light was still sane before l's death and he took L very seriously But after that he became arrogant and did whatever he pleased He fully underestimated near and lost (basically how gilgamesh lost in ubw) And yes L died to a filthy murderer (what else can you call light after he killed innocents without a shred of emotion) The story of death note can't end with light winning over L It needed to show how death note corrupted light and finish is character development to complete the death note story (meaning he has to lose to show the audience how hard he has fallen of you read the death note manga you should know how mush he has fallen he became a existence furthest from a God) I too don't like near, he beyond boring Yeah, light's death was needed in the end Or L should've proved instead of near.. I think you're too sensitive and getting offended by light's actions ( like you said "he liked innocents without emotion") Light killed unnecessary shit out of the world, the criminals Personally I think that light is justice, cuz he purified the world and made the world a better place to live.. Government("gorment"😂😂, if you're understanding what I'm telling) wastes a lot of money on criminals, like feeding them like hotel guests and then leaving them to commit more crimes in future Light did a better job by killing them.. Tho he killed some innocents (Just my perspective, nothing serious again) And did you understand my "GORMENT" part? 😂😂 Peace(◠‿◕) |
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Akitokamisen said: AiNoMukidashi said: It doesn't have to abide to morals. There are lots of western movies with "villain wins" endings, it's mostly a Japanese thing. They hate criminals and wrongdoers so much that they won't be satisfied until they are punished. It's more like a fanservice thing. It's exactly like American Gangster films. Before The Godfather came along, every Ganster movie (20s, 30s,40s,50s) ended with the gangsters being killed / apprehended. But from the 70s onwards that stopped being the norm. The morals are still the same: "Gangsters are bad and a menace to society" but their endings became more realistic : Not always the cops / society wins. I don't watch mush of western movies The only movie I think criminal won and cops/society lost Shashank redemption (inmates escaped successful from jail) Exactly it's typical 20th century style where hero always wins If it were some 2021, people would easily accept Light's victory |
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Lydark_007 said: Akitokamisen said: Light was still sane before l's death and he took L very seriously But after that he became arrogant and did whatever he pleased He fully underestimated near and lost (basically how gilgamesh lost in ubw) And yes L died to a filthy murderer (what else can you call light after he killed innocents without a shred of emotion) The story of death note can't end with light winning over L It needed to show how death note corrupted light and finish is character development to complete the death note story (meaning he has to lose to show the audience how hard he has fallen of you read the death note manga you should know how mush he has fallen he became a existence furthest from a God) I too don't like near, he beyond boring Yeah, light's death was needed in the end Or L should've proved instead of near.. I think you're too sensitive and getting offended by light's actions ( like you said "he liked innocents without emotion") Light killed unnecessary shit out of the world, the criminals Personally I think that light is justice, cuz he purified the world and made the world a better place to live.. Government("gorment"😂😂, if you're understanding what I'm telling) wastes a lot of money on criminals, like feeding them like hotel guests and then leaving them to commit more crimes in future Light did a better job by killing them.. Tho he killed some innocents (Just my perspective, nothing serious again) And did you understand my "GORMENT" part? 😂😂 Peace(◠‿◕) Who knows I am not sensitive I fully supported eren till the end in aot Reason I emphasis on light killing innocents is that it goes against the rules his motives and rules he himself made (basically he will only criminals but justified his killing of innocents by saying anyone trying to capture him is also a criminal, I might be wrong about this) As for lights methods Criminals are not fully beyond salvation Some are framed, some are left no choice but to commit crimes, some do it for thrill (these people are scum), some do it due to greed,lust Some do it due pure anger n losing control of themselfs Some do it for revenge, some might be like light but have no death note Some might be misguided there whole life and were never known what is good or evil Labeling all of them to a death sentence is just being extremist |
AkitokamisenSep 8, 2021 10:24 AM
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| if we are looking at it in the perspective that Light was the villain. In death note, the hero and the villain were neither victorious. there was no real "hero" in death note. it was a modern society where crime was prevalent. and Light in his own eyes was doing the "right" thing as so was L and they both met their end. so really its a story where theres no clear "winner" or "loser" much like life, they both did what they felt was their "justice" theres no winner |
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shivamrajput958 said: watch Devilman CrybabyI have watched quite a shows now and never sees a villain wins in the end same happened in the end of death note,if we think about the possibility then there is a high chances that anyone can win at the end but why always villain lost,if a villain wins at the end it give a new twist and it's not even considered bad ending in the show like death note because protagonist is the villain and I'm pretty sure there are so much people who supported light ideology seeing by his favourite are 80,000+ on the mal(I am one of them). |
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Leohere said: Lydark_007 said: That's not the case, a villian can win Even if it gives a bad message, it doesn't matter.. If it's cool and awesome, world will accept villian's victory.. In death note, people say that light should've won.. why? Bcz the series ruined itself by replacing a genius detective with a cheap copy of him, more over the villian is not as strong as before.. In that case, ofc a villian would win But it's the better story overall.. the world will care lol, remember how much crap joker got for doing that by media even tho it isn't a total "villian wins"? Would it make a better story because of the twist? Well yes, depending on the execution, but it will also bring a wave of controversy Yeah it totally depends on execution.. If the villian has a better characterization, edge over the positive guy, people will accept it |
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| It doesn't matter in death note's case anyway, the purpose of this story was entertainment, not about who was right/ wrong or who wins (the author himself said something along these lines iirc). Moreover, Light's death was foreshadowed way early in the anime when Ryuk said "l'll write your name in my death note when the time comes" or something like that. |
| Thats the thing with this series. Slightly similar to mha, which questions what it means to be a hero, death note makes you question who the villain really is. Both sides did what they thought was right- to some people, the villain DID win. |
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