| The original anime still exists and you can watch it whenever you want. Netflix isn't deleting it from existence and making their live-action show the only piece of Cowboy Bebop media ever. They aren't "ruining it" because they changed Faye's outfit (no shit they did) and Spike's hair isn't green (because that would look goofy in live-action), it's simply a different take on the same story. Let people enjoy things |
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| The fandom reserves the right to get ticked off when an adaptation is garbage, especially when the original creator isn't particularly happy with their work. Let people criticize things yo Edit: I think they nailed Rock so far but Faye looks like some budget star wars character and Spike looks like he has a damn perm... Genuinely scared for how this is going to turn out considering it's only a couple months away |
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| People are rightfully upset, because authors of this adaptation have audacity to think that they know better what fans want, despite being wrong and time again. When this garbage will inevitably be widely lanbastered, like a metaphorical pigeon playing chess, they will blame "racism", "sexism", or whatever buzzword they'll come up with and proceed to butcher another franchise. |
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Moist_Violet said: Finku_ said: im worried about how they are going to gender Edward because twitter wants her to be NB even tho she is a girl. Hopefully Netflix don’t give in to the twitter fake fansThe fandom reserves the right to get ticked off when an adaptation is garbage, especially when the original creator isn't particularly happy with their work. Let people criticize things yo Edit: I think they nailed Rock so far but Faye looks like some budget star wars character and Spike looks like he has a damn perm... Genuinely scared for how this is going to turn out considering it's only a couple months away Well they're listed as reverse trap, androgynous, and tomboy on anidb. So if the adaptation wants to make them a non-binary character then it wouldn't be a stretch. Unless they try to make a political point or virtue signal cause I don't want any of that in Cowboy Bebop lol |
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Moist_Violet said: Shinichiro Watanabe said himself in an interview that Ed's gender was meaningless, implying Ed is non-binary. So technically if Netflix does assign a gender to Ed it would be going against his visionFinku_ said: im worried about how they are going to gender Edward because twitter wants her to be NB even tho she is a girl. Hopefully Netflix don’t give in to the twitter fake fansThe fandom reserves the right to get ticked off when an adaptation is garbage, especially when the original creator isn't particularly happy with their work. Let people criticize things yo Edit: I think they nailed Rock so far but Faye looks like some budget star wars character and Spike looks like he has a damn perm... Genuinely scared for how this is going to turn out considering it's only a couple months away |
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Finku_ said: Ikr because when has Cowboy Bebop ever been political? (Ignore the anti-capitalist message at the end of episode 22, the whole trans thing and how we treat vets like shit in ep 13, and the whole anti-religion message in ep 23)Moist_Violet said: im worried about how they are going to gender Edward because twitter wants her to be NB even tho she is a girl. Hopefully Netflix don’t give in to the twitter fake fans Well they're listed as reverse trap, androgynous, and tomboy on anidb. So if the adaptation wants to make them a non-binary character then it wouldn't be a stretch. Unless they try to make a political point or virtue signal cause I don't want any of that in Cowboy Bebop lol |
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HakeemP said: I meant more gender politics since I can't go a day without it on social media anymore, but okay go off I guess lmaoFinku_ said: Ikr because when has Cowboy Bebop ever been political? (Ignore the anti-capitalist message at the end of episode 22, the whole trans thing and how we treat vets like shit in ep 13, and the whole anti-religion message in ep 23)Well they're listed as reverse trap, androgynous, and tomboy on anidb. So if the adaptation wants to make them a non-binary character then it wouldn't be a stretch. Unless they try to make a political point or virtue signal cause I don't want any of that in Cowboy Bebop lol |
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Finku_ said: you don't want Netflix to use Bebop to make political statements yet Shinichiro used Bebop to make plenty of political statements. Stay consistentHakeemP said: I meant more gender politics since I can't go a day without it on social media anymore, but okay go off I guess lmaoIkr because when has Cowboy Bebop ever been political? (Ignore the anti-capitalist message at the end of episode 22, the whole trans thing and how we treat vets like shit in ep 13, and the whole anti-religion message in ep 23) |
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HakeemP said: Pipe down, I didn't say there shouldn't be a political message at all. Finku_ said: you don't want Netflix to use Bebop to make political statements yet Shinichiro used Bebop to make plenty of political statements. Stay consistentI meant more gender politics since I can't go a day without it on social media anymore, but okay go off I guess lmao We were talking about Edward being non-binary and that wasn't a plot point at any point in the original show. I said I hope they don't get political with it, as in if they choose to make her non-binary or whatever else, make it subtle and not a political statement as that's not true to the show. You made it about religion and whatever the hell else. You brought it there, not me lol |
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Finku_ said: why are you telling me to pipe down. I'm literally just writing simple sentences without any insults. I think you're projectingHakeemP said: Pipe down, I didn't say there shouldn't be a political message at all. you don't want Netflix to use Bebop to make political statements yet Shinichiro used Bebop to make plenty of political statements. Stay consistent We were talking about Edward being non-binary and that wasn't a plot point at any point in the original show. I said I hope they don't get political with it, as in if they choose to make her non-binary or whatever else, make it subtle and not a political statement as that's not true to the show. You made it about religion and whatever the hell else. You brought it there, not me lol |
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HakeemP said: You've clearly got a bone to pick and I'm not that dude lol took a conversation about the political angle of Edward's gender identity and took it miles beyond that and I'm not gonna play that game man I'm outFinku_ said: why are you telling me to pipe down. I'm literally just writing simple sentences without any insults. I think you're projectingPipe down, I didn't say there shouldn't be a political message at all. We were talking about Edward being non-binary and that wasn't a plot point at any point in the original show. I said I hope they don't get political with it, as in if they choose to make her non-binary or whatever else, make it subtle and not a political statement as that's not true to the show. You made it about religion and whatever the hell else. You brought it there, not me lol |
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Finku_ said: Edward is literally meant to be non-binary though, according to the show's director.We were talking about Edward being non-binary and that wasn't a plot point at any point in the original show. I said I hope they don't get political with it, as in if they choose to make her non-binary or whatever else, make it subtle and not a political statement as that's not true to the show. Taken from a 2017 interview with IGN: IGN: Yeah, there’s Ed as well. He - or Her - I’m still not quite sure... "make it subtle and not a political statement"Shinichiro Watanabe: Its gender is meaningless, we don’t need it. IGN: Well actually, I’d like to quickly ask about that. Why did you decide for Ed to be non-binary and have no gender, or have their gender be ambiguous? Shinichiro Watanabe: I wanted to create a character that surpasses humanity. I personally think that he might not even be human, someone from outer space. Right as if they didn't use gender as a political statement in the show at all with Spike, Faye, Gren, etc. Never at all. |
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Finku_ said: HakeemP said: You've clearly got a bone to pick and I'm not that dude lol took a conversation about the political angle of Edward's gender identity and took it miles beyond that and I'm not gonna play that game man I'm outwhy are you telling me to pipe down. I'm literally just writing simple sentences without any insults. I think you're projecting Finku_ said: ok. HakeemP said: You've clearly got a bone to pick and I'm not that dude lol took a conversation about the political angle of Edward's gender identity and took it miles beyond that and I'm not gonna play that game man I'm outwhy are you telling me to pipe down. I'm literally just writing simple sentences without any insults. I think you're projecting (word limit hrjisnhdjw) |
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| @Judevin my man you're missing my point entirely, Edward is a definite she as defined in multiple anime databases and not tagged as non-binary or anything else. There's a reason there's not a non-binary tag as the show does not make it a major point. I'm simply saying, keep Edward androgynous and the other things her character is tagged as, but if they go all shove it down your throat political with the gender identity of the character, I think it would be dishonest to the source material. Edward is a tomboy girl, a child, I'm hoping they treat her as such and don't use it as a political spring board since that wasn't the point of her character in the show. That doesn't mean no politics ever at all, simply just in the case of Edward's gender identity |
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Finku_ said: I don't understand why you keep bringing up anime databases when the creator himself said that Ed is non-binary. Do the databases know better than the creator now? Because I'm pretty sure they don't know more than the guy that created the series. Seems unseemly. @Judevin my man you're missing my point entirely, Edward is a definite she as defined in multiple anime databases and not tagged as non-binary or anything else. There's a reason there's not a non-binary tag as the show does not make it a major point. Finku_ said: Edward is a child, no "tomboy girl", Edward does not have a guy/girl gender, that's the whole point Watanabe tried to make in the interview, that Edward is quite simply beyond the definition of the binary terms. Edward is a tomboy girl, a child, I'm hoping they treat her as such and don't use it as a political spring board since that wasn't the point of her character in the show. But whatever helps you sleep better at night, my guy. |
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Finku_ said: I did give a source actually, did you even read it?@Judevin I mean I'd appreciate a source on where the creator has said Ed is non-binary because I haven't seen it myself, so all I have left to go with is what's on the multiple anime databases, just like everyone else. |
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Judevin said: this dude's really asking for a source when there's that bigass bright blue link right in the middle of a direct quote from the creator of the show Finku_ said: I did give a source actually, did you even read it?@Judevin I mean I'd appreciate a source on where the creator has said Ed is non-binary because I haven't seen it myself, so all I have left to go with is what's on the multiple anime databases, just like everyone else. |
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| @Judevin no I didn't get the notification on mobile so I didn't see it Even so it's the interviewer that says non-binary not the creator himself. He just says Ed might be from space, or at least larger than life. Again I'm not against Ed being non-binary, I'm just hoping Netflix doesn't make a point out of it further than the source had taken it. Part of the fun of Edward's character was not clearly defining the gender identity or making a point of it |
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Finku_ said: Yeah the creator totally didn't say that "gender is meaningless".Even so it's the interviewer that says non-binary not the creator himself. Finku_ said: That's what it means to be "beyond human binary" bro...or at least larger than life. You literally replied to me after reading my post, but somehow didn't get a notification, sure okay. Finku_ said: That's a different story, they can get an actually non-binary person to play Ed, and it still wouldn't make any difference because Ed's role is not related to gender. Netflix can 100% screw it up, or they can make it like the next Witcher as KekoaRobot said in #20, that has absolutely nothing to do with Ed's gender. So people getting upset that Netflix is making Ed non-binary even though Ed literally IS non-binary is stupidly hilarious.Again I'm not against Ed being non-binary, I'm just hoping Netflix doesn't make a point out of it further than the source had taken it. Part of the fun of Edward's character was not clearly defining the gender identity or making a point of it |
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| @Judevin ight this is my last post because at the end of the day this is just an anime forum, but "beyond human binary" is not a quote from the creator at any point, if anything he suggests Ed might be an alien. And for the last time, I don't have anything against Ed being non-binary but there's nothing to say that they are and it isn't catalogued or quoted anywhere as being that way. What I have been saying from the beginning is that even if they do decide to adapt Ed as a non-binary character that they keep it as subtle as they did in the original source because that was the very charm of Ed's character and Netflix is prone to making political statements. And go make Ed a political statement would go against the source and would take away the charm from the character. I love Ed in the original and I hope they don't fuck it up. |
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Finku_ said: Do you really think aliens have genders like male and female, because that's what "beyond human binary" (my quote) or "larger than life" (your quote) mean, that aliens cannot have human gender, they do not follow gender binaries like humans, which is why "gender is meaningless". It's literally what he says, I have no idea how you're doing such mental gymnastics to make assumptions even though you're saying the exact same thing as me. If Ed is alien then how is binary male/female.@Judevin ight this is my last post because at the end of the day this is just an anime forum, but "beyond human binary" is not a quote from the creator at any point, if anything he suggests Ed might be an alien. Finku_ said: Also what I literally said, it can be a terrible adaptation and I would give them flak for that too. But making Ed non-binary is not a political statement, it's people (like you) who make it one. Especially for a series that is full of political commentary. What I have been saying from the beginning is that even if they do decide to adapt Ed as a non-binary character that they keep it as subtle as they did in the original source because that was the very charm of Ed's character and Netflix is prone to making political statements. And go make Ed a political statement would go against the source and would take away the charm from the character. I love Ed in the original and I hope they don't fuck it up. Either way, let's just hope the series is good. |
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| @Judevin the creator does not feel that Ed's gender identity is important, nor do I. I'm hoping that Netflix respects the creators intention and does not use Ed as some sort of non-binary prop as that would ruin the charm of the character. I feel like that makes sense. Edit: I don't think we're disagreeing on anything beyond that you feel the creator is labeling Ed as non-binary whereas I do not, and either way it doesn't matter. My point is I would like Netflix to pay as little attention to it as the creator did, that was a large part of what made Ed so charming. |
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Finku_ said: I am not sure how I'm feeling anything when he says "gender is meaningless because Ed is an alien" which clearly implies that Ed isn't a male/female binary, which makes Ed non-binary. I would say that you are doing some extreme mental gymnastics to justify your position to force a binary on them because I have no idea why. How the fuck does an alien become male/female bro. Think Finku Think, stop feeling and assuming shit, and think logically. Non-binary is not a political statement, stop politicizing it lmfao.you feel the creator is labeling Ed as non-binary whereas I do not Finku_ said: Also I thought that was your last post. LOL@Judevin ight this is my last post because at the end of the day this is just an anime forum |
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| @Judevin yeah I'm out, I've made it pretty clear that I'm okay with Ed being non-binary, and that while it's not inherently a political thing, Netflix has a track record of pushing politics through their media. I even used they/them pronouns when discussing Ed through nearly the entirety of this, only referring to them as she once maybe since that's what's in the databases. So in no way am I trying to enforce a binary on them. I'm not sure what your point is here or what you're looking for, I'm simply asking, as I have made clear several times, that Netflix does not adapt Ed as non-binary and make it a political statement, as that's not true to the original and they have a track record of doing those exact things. It's really nothing more or less than exactly that. Have a good one lol |
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| So many brainlet takes in this thread. The whole existence of this thread is too defensive and comes out as desperate or even as shilling. Netflix is trash, the only thing they do is "white people" beloved franchises (Death Note and Witcher come to mind) , by forcing all that stupid "white people" shit like gender and race fetishism / obsession. "Director said Ed's gender is meaningless, that clearly says that Ed is LGBTQWERTY YASS QWEEN SLAY" lmao. When he said "His gender is meaningless" he probably was too tired and annoyed at the IGN cretin forcing him to talk about gender politics. His reply even sounds like "just stfu, dude, I won't say she's LGBT" lol. |
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AiNoMukidashi said: that's a nice projection but Watanabe's long history of including gender politics into his work says otherwiseSo many brainlet takes in this thread. The whole existence of this thread is too defensive and comes out as desperate or even as shilling. Netflix is trash, the only thing they do is "white people" beloved franchises (Death Note and Witcher come to mind) , by forcing all that stupid "white people" shit like gender and race fetishism / obsession. "Director said Ed's gender is meaningless, that clearly says that Ed is LGBTQWERTY YASS QWEEN SLAY" lmao. When he said "His gender is meaningless" he probably was too tired and annoyed at the IGN cretin forcing him to talk about gender politics. His reply even sounds like "just stfu, dude, I won't say she's LGBT" lol. |
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HakeemP said: AiNoMukidashi said: that's a nice projection but Watanabe's long history of including gender politics into his work says otherwiseSo many brainlet takes in this thread. The whole existence of this thread is too defensive and comes out as desperate or even as shilling. Netflix is trash, the only thing they do is "white people" beloved franchises (Death Note and Witcher come to mind) , by forcing all that stupid "white people" shit like gender and race fetishism / obsession. "Director said Ed's gender is meaningless, that clearly says that Ed is LGBTQWERTY YASS QWEEN SLAY" lmao. When he said "His gender is meaningless" he probably was too tired and annoyed at the IGN cretin forcing him to talk about gender politics. His reply even sounds like "just stfu, dude, I won't say she's LGBT" lol. Of course, Watanabe is a sane and talented person, he's portrayed varied casts of characters. His characters feel genuine and sincere, not forced like Netflix / Hollywood trash which is just ticking the boxes (Black check, gay check and so on) to sell more. That's why he masterfully dodged the IGN idiot's bait. He's not into megacorporation / white people's gender (or race) fetishism. |
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TaReq_Dwairi said: Show me 1 live action that lived to the anime show or the story withoutfuccing something along the way and was successful Every live action i watched so far was a far cry from expected results and only a downgrade of the story....the producer doesnt give a fucc what the viewers want...only using the name to get more watches on the first view of the series so its okay if the show is shitty TaReq_Dwairi said: The live-action Ichi the Killer movie from 2001 is a masterpiece Show me 1 live action that lived to the anime show or the story withoutfuccing something along the way and was successful Every live action i watched so far was a far cry from expected results and only a downgrade of the story....the producer doesnt give a fucc what the viewers want...only using the name to get more watches on the first view of the series so its okay if the show is shitty |
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TaReq_Dwairi said: The 2017 Blade of the Immortal movieHakeemP said: The live-action Ichi the Killer movie from 2001 is a masterpiece I agree on that onr but what i want is something that was made to anime before live action |
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SimplyZero said: yes I hope Netflix doesn't use Ed as a prop either, I think the original creator nailed the character design and I hope Netflix stays faithful to it :)Finku_ said: she does act like a tomboy due to her dad always wanting a boy, and that's why I say she stays a girl as her story was very impactful on me, and changing her gender really changes everything on it and ruins the back storyWell they're listed as reverse trap, androgynous, and tomboy on anidb. So if the adaptation wants to make them a non-binary character then it wouldn't be a stretch. Unless they try to make a political point or virtue signal cause I don't want any of that in Cowboy Bebop lol |
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TaReq_Dwairi said: HakeemP said: The live-action Ichi the Killer movie from 2001 is a masterpiece I agree on that onr but what i want is something that was made to anime before live action I’ve heard the Gintama live action is pretty good. |
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