Cneq said: Auron_ said: It's almost as if you've completely lost touched with the very meaning of "right" or "left" or CENTER values and instead have completely reduced your entire political belief system to political tribalism in which there are clear LEFT wing values and clear RIGHT wing values and in these values there are no CENTERS and if you align with ANY values be they LEFT or RIGHT you're automatically a part of the tribe "left" or "right".Got my 2nd vaccine today (The earliest I could get it, here the youngins' turn came pretty late compared to the elderly) and gotta say, this alternative media misinformation and fearmongering of the US is something else. That shit should be heavily regulated ASAP. The people who normally are so uncritical of everything suddenly turned to ultimate skeptics questioning reality itself lmao. Like, the vast majority of vaccines developed never make it to commercial use, they are tested and reviewed like crazy. It's a very rigorous process. Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine has been authorized for use in virtually every single developed nation with their federal and independent medical institutions approving of its use. You have to be in FantasyLand if you're still suspicious while gobbling up your Mountain Dews and McDonalds. @Cneq That's why no one believes people when they say they're centrists anymore, it's all spineless righties lol. Just own up to it, or at the very least provide a right-wing sentiment you spoke up against in the last month. My understanding of this phenomenon of people giving binary judgements with zero middle ground on beliefs that only make them "RIGHT" or "LEFT" is nothing more than a result of the individual making these claims having an extreme lack of fundamental understanding and also an inability to look into beliefs deeply and form their own personal opinions on them. Due to this many people including yourself result to binary political tribalism and refuse to look into beliefs that the opposing side agrees with and instead categorizes anyone who even slightly agrees with them even if only a 5% as a "rightie" or "lefty". In just about every moral, philosophical, economic or political matter I ALWAYS end up choosing a middle ground and there isn't a single subject matter that I go balls to the walls in favor of some extreme, be it left or right. There are BENEFITS of BOTH forms of both "left" and "right" wing values and to align so incredibly closely to the middle of both of these is without a doubt centrism at it's core. I tend to question the intellectual capacity of those who wholeheartedly align themselves to the "left" or "right" because if you actually seek understanding there's a very high chance looking into certain beliefs will paint a much more varied picture and to align one's self wholeheartedly to one or the other is simply degressive. And the reality of the current political landscape is that most "right-wingers" or "left-wingers" are actually much more closer to the center than they like to believe but due political tribalism almost becoming some sort of pop-culture phenomenon more and more people almost get off on aligning themselves to some sort of group and by doing so slowly alienate themselves and others by furthering political and social division. I didn't ask for your same old tangentially related tirade, but a concrete example of something you openly opposed. If I wanted the former I'd simply read your past posts, since they are all practically each other's paraphrase. |
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Auron_ said: Let me translate that for you:Cneq said: It's almost as if you've completely lost touched with the very meaning of "right" or "left" or CENTER values and instead have completely reduced your entire political belief system to political tribalism in which there are clear LEFT wing values and clear RIGHT wing values and in these values there are no CENTERS and if you align with ANY values be they LEFT or RIGHT you're automatically a part of the tribe "left" or "right". My understanding of this phenomenon of people giving binary judgements with zero middle ground on beliefs that only make them "RIGHT" or "LEFT" is nothing more than a result of the individual making these claims having an extreme lack of fundamental understanding and also an inability to look into beliefs deeply and form their own personal opinions on them. Due to this many people including yourself result to binary political tribalism and refuse to look into beliefs that the opposing side agrees with and instead categorizes anyone who even slightly agrees with them even if only a 5% as a "rightie" or "lefty". In just about every moral, philosophical, economic or political matter I ALWAYS end up choosing a middle ground and there isn't a single subject matter that I go balls to the walls in favor of some extreme, be it left or right. There are BENEFITS of BOTH forms of both "left" and "right" wing values and to align so incredibly closely to the middle of both of these is without a doubt centrism at it's core. I tend to question the intellectual capacity of those who wholeheartedly align themselves to the "left" or "right" because if you actually seek understanding there's a very high chance looking into certain beliefs will paint a much more varied picture and to align one's self wholeheartedly to one or the other is simply degressive. And the reality of the current political landscape is that most "right-wingers" or "left-wingers" are actually much more closer to the center than they like to believe but due political tribalism almost becoming some sort of pop-culture phenomenon more and more people almost get off on aligning themselves to some sort of group and by doing so slowly alienate themselves and others by furthering political and social division. I didn't ask for your same old tangentially related tirade, but a concrete example of something you openly opposed. If I wanted the former I'd simply read your past posts, since they are all practically each other's paraphrase. "I don't believe a word you say and could care less about what you say your personal beliefs are so go fetch me something you OPENLY opposed which was right wing" Now let me ask, WHY would you want to see something I OPENLY opposed despite LITERALLY just explaining to you my belief system? I'll tell you why, you have no interest in understanding or changing your opinion but only seek to fulfil your own preconceived opinion that everyone you seem to disagree with is in fact a "dirty right-winger". If you actually cared about understanding you would've actually paid attention with what I just said and wouldn't go ask for something as irrelevant as "OPEN OPPOSITION" as somehow being indicative of ones PERSONAL values and beliefs. Sorry to break it to you mate but not everyone OPENLY goes around saying what they're opposed to all the time and if you believe this is somehow the norm you obviously need to stay off social-media. Getting to know someone's personal beliefs comes with conversation and if you believe it is somehow normal to ask the person you're debating in real life to pull up their phone and demand them to give you "concrete examples of things you OPENLY opposed" then you've obviously lost touch with social etiquette. Of course if you wished to communicate like a normal intelligent individual you could define any manner of topics be they welfare/socialism, gun-laws, capital-punishment, colonialism, war you name it and then one could actually explain how their views align and with that being the case you would realize my views align entirely to the center which was the entire point of my previous reply. But I digress, I implore you to continue to enjoy your lovely existence of having no interest in understanding and instead live in a blissful closeted reality full of preconceived opinions and political tribalism. |
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Cneq said: "I don't believe a word you say and could care less about what you say your personal beliefs are so go fetch me something you OPENLY opposed which was right wing" ... Now let me ask, WHY would you want to see something I OPENLY opposed despite LITERALLY just explaining to you my belief system? I mean yeah, no shit. We're in an anonymous forum and you're not someone I closely know. I'm obviously not gonna take you at your word. You could theoretically say you got involved in all the soup kitchens, helped out for your local candidate, volunteered to your city council etc. and I'd have no idea as to the authenticity of any of the claims. Therefore when you make a claim I can't possibly verify, I'll ask for examples, especially given that you'd presumably have an incentive to appear moderate and centrist, since that way you seem more "free-thinking" or "impartial" or whatever crap you tell to yourself at night. Cneq said: Sorry to break it to you mate but not everyone OPENLY goes around saying what they're opposed to all the time and if you believe this is somehow the norm you obviously need to stay off social-media. Yet you somehow have no issue speaking your mind on the other direction. I have no problem with people who keep their political positions to themselves, hell I do that for the most part, but it seems a tad suspicious to me when one's expression of them are asymmetrical in nature, open when it comes to positions typically associated with one side and undisclosed in the other. |
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Fernando10095 said: Mist878 said: 0.0000001% Chance to die from Co-vid w/ vaccine, but a .0018% to die from the Co-vid vaccine. You're chances are still better getting it, but most people are frightened of those side effects which are comparable to surviving a stroke. Uhh what are those side effects for the vaccine I'm not trying to argue with u I'm generally interested in knowing what happens Paralysis on a certain side of the body. Johnson & Johnson variant was giving people blood clots, and then several people who took the second dose reported feeling very weak after the 2nd shot. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html These cases are rare, but a huge risk. In my own backyard an older coworker took bereavement because his sister got sick after she took the vaccine then died, and this man NEVER takes a day off, ex-military, very honest guy. He was going to take it until that happened. There's no grand conspiracy why co-vid vaccinations have dropped. People are seeing it's not ready yet. They should have given it a year of testing and kept the mask and social distancing, but partisan politics made the Left think they had to prove the Right wrong that they "Get nothing done." |
Auron_ said: Yet you somehow have no issue speaking your mind on the other direction. I have no problem with people who keep their political positions to themselves, hell I do that for the most part, but it seems a tad suspicious to me when one's expression of them are asymmetrical in nature, open when it comes to positions typically associated with one side and undisclosed in the other. It's almost as if you're completely unaware of the type of threads and posts that circulate on CE and CD. There are only a very few unequivocally "right" posters on this site where as with left on the other hand you have many who are constantly on here and constantly make threads and constantly reply to threads with divisive topics. Out of all threads/people I reply to I do so because I see a major problem with a certain aspect of what they are saying and I go in depth on exactly why that aspect is completely out of whack and ask them what they are thinking. I've done this to right-wing topics [namely the charlatan "freedom-phone" recently which was a complete scam]. I've done this to left-wing topics [such as replies in many divisive threads that I don't even remember by now]. Now purely on statistical odds alone there are a far many more "left-wing" posters on average in CE/CD and considering these left-wing posters constantly make incredibly uneducated judgements be it comparing US crime and Swedish crime at face value or trying to justify incredibly unscientific "studies" on critical-thinking correlation despite issues with the sample pool of course I'm going to be replying to left-wing posters the majority of the time. The most telling part of this is that this entire situation reinforces what I've told you before is that you preconceived opinion that anyone that disagrees with you is automatically a "right-winger" is a direct result of this. Despite most of my replies being directed at a specific issue in ones logic the very act of pointing out fault in ones logic becomes synonymous to you as somehow "defending" or "attacking" the topic being discussed and thus you inadvertently place people in political tribes purely on the predisposition that you believe someone is "against" or "supporting" an idea. For example let's say I post a reply explaining to someone the historical reasoning on WHY this current vaccine is UNKNOWN on the reasoning of the history of SARS, time of development of vaccines, past events and also general political thought? Does this mean I'm AGAINST or FOR the Covid 19 vaccine? Of course not, it means I'm LITERALLY in the center about it. I objectively understand the situation because I've seen the entire thing play out since January 2020 and my historical knowledge gives me zero reason to blindly trust or blindly be against the vaccine. I simply weigh all factors and came to the conclusion that the only way to approach the situation is to neither blindly trust nor blindly attack what is happening but instead watch as the situation progresses and wait for more confirmations. Or let's say I reply to a comment comparing the US to another countries crime rate as being indicative to a failure of the US justice system and I point out how that comparison is completely flawed precisely because it doesn't factor in extremely important points such as geography, history, culture, law and world power status. Does these mean I'm DEFENDING or ATTACKING the US justice system? Of course not, I'm simply pointing out a clearly illogical comparison and my personal belief on whether the US justice system IS or ISN'T a problem not once comes up or is relevant to pointing out a clearly illogical comparison. If we actually went into my personal opinion on the US justice system it would in fact be once against dead in the center with need for reform with lesser crimes [for example being caught with a gun shouldn't land you in prison for 2+ years, happened to my cousin] but extremely harsh crime such as multiple killings should still land you with life in prison [where as in other countries they would give you 20 years tops]. Once again, center, needs reforms but neither to the extreme nor keeping it as it is. I could go on and on with comparisons but this is the deal, you're entire identification of me "speaking my mind in the different direction" as somehow being indicative of my personal political affiliation is flawed precisely due to the statistical variety of topics on this site and also due to your failure of labelling ones replies as either being "against" or "in favor" of the topic at hand when in reality my replies are neither in favor or against but instead point out clear logical issues of certain posters/topics. |
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| You....can....not....make....this....shit....up! This is gonna be a new Left Wing meme. Except left can't into memes. Getting Covid and potentially dying to OWN the Dems! You got us Left Wingers....you fucking got us! Did we have Anit-Vaxxer dipshits in the past? Of course. But they were a small group, and EVERYONE called them out for their insanity....both on the Right and Left. But now the Left (Since they have gone FULL Anti-Science) have joined the crazies. lies and anti-science narrative persists, and it's almost all coming from the Left-Wing, Biden supporting, Anti-science, full blown conspiracy theory idiots who if people haven't forgotten were the same people that said Covid was a Hoax, did not want to wear masks and made such a huge shit show over every single step during the pandemic. MasterNeutral said: No, it's just Alex. And some of his tribe. He likes to think about himself as some brave Internet warrior who constantly exposes bad and stupid people.When did not taking the vaccine turn into a right wing thing? Most the right wingers I know IRL are vaccinated and make fun of braindead idiots that don't get it. Is this just online people at it again? |
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